We banned a flag not too long ago...HEY what about this one? A very long rant...

[Syriusly]

The Confederate flag is banned. Children learn the shahada which is on the isis flag.

Do you see where this is going?

Clearly you are headed towards total lunacy....the Confederate flag is not banned....you can be proudly flying it today.

You are either confused or very stupid. It wasn't banned, it was moved. That flag wasn't moved because a guy shot a bunch of blacks. It was moved because it has been a symbol of oppression since the civil war. It was virtually forgotten until the KKK took it as a symbol, and wasn't displayed on public property until civil rights were granted. Only a racist idiot would say it was banned (again, it was not) because of roof.

It was moved because the state of SC has a bend over and grab her ankles governor who has national political aspirations. It was removed until some nut shot 9 black people.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys........

Poor, poor retard Liberal that can't distinguish truth from agenda.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys.....don't get to play with your flag on the capital anymore.......

 

[Conservative65]

The Confederate flag is banned. Children learn the shahada which is on the isis flag.

Do you see where this is going?

Clearly you are headed towards total lunacy....the Confederate flag is not banned....you can be proudly flying it today.

You are either confused or very stupid. It wasn't banned, it was moved. That flag wasn't moved because a guy shot a bunch of blacks. It was moved because it has been a symbol of oppression since the civil war. It was virtually forgotten until the KKK took it as a symbol, and wasn't displayed on public property until civil rights were granted. Only a racist idiot would say it was banned (again, it was not) because of roof.

It was moved because the state of SC has a bend over and grab her ankles governor who has national political aspirations. It was removed until some nut shot 9 black people.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys........

Poor, poor retard Liberal that can't distinguish truth from agenda.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys.....don't get to play with your flag on the capital anymore.......

Poor, poor Liberals. Pander and cater to the PC crowd who gets butthurt when they see something they don't like. I still fly several Confederate flags. Willing to try and take them down or be considered a loud mouth pussy that does nothing but talk?

 

[Silhouette]

To the leftists here:

You wanted to ban this flag when some white boy shot up a black church. You got your wish:

Not soon after the massacre, a picture of Dylann Roof was found where he was sporting a Confederate flag, and then again not soon after, liberals behaved as if banning that flag would somehow bring those poor souls who died in Charleston back to life. It didn't. If it were only that simple.

But when a black gay man kills two people on live TV, what would have been the reaction if people began calling for a ban of the Gay Pride Flag? This flag does represent him, does it not?

If you want to ban one flag when someone goes on a killing spree, why don't we ban all of them? Sins have been committed under all sorts of banners and flags. Banning the flags will not undo any of the crimes.

But here liberals are, using the very same narrative which they once viewed as a defense of racism, hatred, slavery, or even the murderer himself to defend a flag which represented the sexual preference of the man who murdered two people. What if we used that same logic against gay rights activists? That flying that flag is a defense of the man who killed two people in cold blood?

Even in her ignorance, the woman in the tweet below asks an important question. How does removing (banning) a flag change someone's actions? It doesn't. But here we are, fighting over which flags to ban when some psychopath goes on a killing spree. My gosh, such petty arguments over such things as pieces of fabric. Why aren't we condemning the person instead of the flag? Why are we blaming the flag or the weapon he used? On a separate note, a number of you liberals want to ban firearms when a perceived conservative commits a mass murder, however, when a gay black man commits murder, no longer is he the perpetrator, but the firearm itself. How I wish you knew how much of a double standard is being perpetrated here.

If only all of you (both sides now) realized how colossally hypocritical your narratives are. Ban one, keep the other. Ban, ban, ban, ban! This offends me! Ban it! Ban all the things! Wow. No... I can't even... just... just stop. Seriously.

If you're about to use the same narrative you criticize, you will have a bad time.

It's a little more complicated than even that my friend. Dylann Roof had a black boyfriend and he is gay. He shot up 9 Christians that day, not 9 blacks. It was the day after a major southern church announced it would never support gay marriage... I guarantee you that if half the people in that Bible study were white, hispanic, asian..you name it, they would've died in exactly the same way as the blacks did: as Christians at the end of an angry gay's gun barrel.

 

[Timmy]

It's the symbol of hate and treason. Those traitors killed more U.S. soildiers than Al queda and ISIS could ever dream of .

It's a disgrace that anyone flies it.

How many British soldiers did the traitors the formed the U.S. kill? You do know they were traitors don't you?

1). They ain't flying the colonies flag over in England

2) unlike the colonies , the south had representaion in our gov. We even counted the slaves as part of thier population .

 

[Conservative65]

It's the symbol of hate and treason. Those traitors killed more U.S. soildiers than Al queda and ISIS could ever dream of .

It's a disgrace that anyone flies it.

How many British soldiers did the traitors the formed the U.S. kill? You do know they were traitors don't you?

1). They ain't flying the colonies flag over in England

2) unlike the colonies , the south had representaion in our gov. We even counted the slaves as part of thier population .

Makes no difference. Those that fought to create the U.S. were the same traitors you consider those that tried to do the same thing when it came to seceding from the U.S. in the 1860s. That one won and one didn't doesn't change what they were.

 

[Timmy]

It's the symbol of hate and treason. Those traitors killed more U.S. soildiers than Al queda and ISIS could ever dream of .

It's a disgrace that anyone flies it.

How many British soldiers did the traitors the formed the U.S. kill? You do know they were traitors don't you?

1). They ain't flying the colonies flag over in England

2) unlike the colonies , the south had representaion in our gov. We even counted the slaves as part of thier population .

Makes no difference. Those that fought to create the U.S. were the same traitors you consider those that tried to do the same thing when it came to seceding from the U.S. in the 1860s. That one won and one didn't doesn't change what they were.

It does matter . The colonies fought because they had no other alternative. The south wanted to fight cause they didnt get their way in the democratic process .

And if England won, they founding fathers would've all been hung as traitors . The southern leaders lucked out on that one .

Funny , the same people who love the confederates are the same who get all mad about Obama bringing back that "traitor" bergdhal .

 

[Conservative65]

It's the symbol of hate and treason. Those traitors killed more U.S. soildiers than Al queda and ISIS could ever dream of .

It's a disgrace that anyone flies it.

How many British soldiers did the traitors the formed the U.S. kill? You do know they were traitors don't you?

1). They ain't flying the colonies flag over in England

2) unlike the colonies , the south had representaion in our gov. We even counted the slaves as part of thier population .

Makes no difference. Those that fought to create the U.S. were the same traitors you consider those that tried to do the same thing when it came to seceding from the U.S. in the 1860s. That one won and one didn't doesn't change what they were.

It does matter . The colonies fought because they had no other alternative. The south wanted to fight cause they didnt get their way in the democratic process .

And if England won, they founding fathers would've all been hung as traitors . The southern leaders lucked out on that one .

Funny , the same people who love the confederates are the same who get all mad about Obama bringing back that "traitor" bergdhal .

I don't know where you "learned" history but you should ask for your money back.

Funny, the same people who call the confederates traitors applaud Obama bring back traitor Bergdahl.

 

[Timmy]

They are traitors by the very definition of the term.

Let me ask you, what's your thoughts on Berghdal??

 

[rightwinger]

The Confederate flag is banned. Children learn the shahada which is on the isis flag.

Do you see where this is going?

Clearly you are headed towards total lunacy....the Confederate flag is not banned....you can be proudly flying it today.

You are either confused or very stupid. It wasn't banned, it was moved. That flag wasn't moved because a guy shot a bunch of blacks. It was moved because it has been a symbol of oppression since the civil war. It was virtually forgotten until the KKK took it as a symbol, and wasn't displayed on public property until civil rights were granted. Only a racist idiot would say it was banned (again, it was not) because of roof.

It was moved because the state of SC has a bend over and grab her ankles governor who has national political aspirations. It was removed until some nut shot 9 black people.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys........

Poor, poor retard Liberal that can't distinguish truth from agenda.

The Confederate Flag is not banned...you are still free to fly it from your pickup

You just can't demand that it fly on the statehouse

 

[BULLDOG]

Believed HELL. Read the declarations of secession from each of the states. It plainly says why they wanted to seceded. No matter what efforts were later made to try to end the conflict, the reason for it in the first place is and was never in doubt.

You got to look deeper, all the evidence doesn't make it that simple. If it were the rebellious states would have accepted Lincoln's offer and rejoined the union. No one has provided an answer as to why the offer was rejected.

What reason would the south have to reject joining the union and keeping their slaves? Instead they chose to go to war. No one on this thread has offered a reason the south rejected joining the union when they would have kept their slaves if they had. They say it's about slavery, but the south didn't go along with Lincoln's proposal to "end their rebellion with the north", now did they? Even IF in doing so meant keeping their slaves.

The evidence doesn't make it as strong an argument as you would like.

I have no idea why they chose to continue the war, but the reason they started it is unquestionable. The reason was plainly laid our in their declarations. Are you suggesting they didn't list all their grievances for trying to seceded in those documents? Why would they do that?

not every state mentioned slavery in their secession.

The north was purposely trying to agitate and destabilize the south by weaponizing the negroes and that's why some states directly addressed the issue.

Southerners knew slavery was a dying practice and with the industrial revolution underway there was no no need to import any more farm animals when there were machines being developed to do more work, more efficiently..

The south tried to peacefully withdraw from the union.
The north invaded the south and southerners fired on the invaders as all patriots would when their homeland is being attacked. Just simple facts.No spin.

Wow- that is one of the largest collection of bullshit I have seen posted here.

'weaponizing the negroes'- what the hell does that mean? You think Northern states were going around giving guns to escaped slaves prior to secession?

Many Northern States opposed slavery- and claiming their own states rights- made it difficult for Slave States to recover their escaped human property.

Southerners were looking forward to importing more Slaves after they seceded- far from thinking it was a dying practice- slaves represented the single largest type of asset in the South. Slaves were being sold from the East Coast to the Cotton States- because the huge demand for human labor in cultivating cotton- whole families were being torn apart and Slave owners on the east coast were making fortunes selling their human slaves.

The South fired on American Troops at Fort Sumter- and that started the war- so much for 'peaceful withdrawal'.

Yes- after the rebel slave states fired on American troops- then the United States mobilized to quash the rebellion.

The simple facts are that the rebel slave states rebelled primarily- if not exclusively to protect their interest in owning human beings.

That is no spin- just the facts.

Just a foreigner here who has often wondered:

The South fired on American Troops at Fort Sumter- and that started the war- so much for 'peaceful withdrawal'.

What on earth were Union Troops doing in the South??

Greg

Are you too dumb to know that Union troops were American troops? Saying those troops shouldn't have been it the south is as dumb as saying recent military maneuvers in Texas were the same attacking Texas.

 

[BULLDOG]

The Confederate flag is banned. Children learn the shahada which is on the isis flag.

Do you see where this is going?

Clearly you are headed towards total lunacy....the Confederate flag is not banned....you can be proudly flying it today.

You are either confused or very stupid. It wasn't banned, it was moved. That flag wasn't moved because a guy shot a bunch of blacks. It was moved because it has been a symbol of oppression since the civil war. It was virtually forgotten until the KKK took it as a symbol, and wasn't displayed on public property until civil rights were granted. Only a racist idiot would say it was banned (again, it was not) because of roof.

It was moved because the state of SC has a bend over and grab her ankles governor who has national political aspirations. It was removed until some nut shot 9 black people.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys........

Poor, poor retard Liberal that can't distinguish truth from agenda.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys.....don't get to play with your flag on the capital anymore.......

Poor, poor Liberals. Pander and cater to the PC crowd who gets butthurt when they see something they don't like. I still fly several Confederate flags. Willing to try and take them down or be considered a loud mouth pussy that does nothing but talk?

You are free to fly as many confederate flags as you want on your own property. Others are free to point out that you are racist scum for doing it.

 

[Conservative65]

The Confederate flag is banned. Children learn the shahada which is on the isis flag.

Do you see where this is going?

Clearly you are headed towards total lunacy....the Confederate flag is not banned....you can be proudly flying it today.

It was moved because the state of SC has a bend over and grab her ankles governor who has national political aspirations. It was removed until some nut shot 9 black people.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys........

Poor, poor retard Liberal that can't distinguish truth from agenda.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys.....don't get to play with your flag on the capital anymore.......

Poor, poor Liberals. Pander and cater to the PC crowd who gets butthurt when they see something they don't like. I still fly several Confederate flags. Willing to try and take them down or be considered a loud mouth pussy that does nothing but talk?

You are free to fly as many confederate flags as you want on your own property. Others are free to point out that you are racist scum for doing it.

Pointing out something that isn't true makes you look like a fool. You don't seem to have a problem looking foolish.

I'll continue to fly all of them until you are man enough to come and take it down. We both know that will never happen. That means I'll point out you're the typical cowardly, loud mouth Liberal with guts to do nothing but run that mouth.

 

[Conservative65]

The Confederate flag is banned. Children learn the shahada which is on the isis flag.

Do you see where this is going?

Clearly you are headed towards total lunacy....the Confederate flag is not banned....you can be proudly flying it today.

You are either confused or very stupid. It wasn't banned, it was moved. That flag wasn't moved because a guy shot a bunch of blacks. It was moved because it has been a symbol of oppression since the civil war. It was virtually forgotten until the KKK took it as a symbol, and wasn't displayed on public property until civil rights were granted. Only a racist idiot would say it was banned (again, it was not) because of roof.

It was moved because the state of SC has a bend over and grab her ankles governor who has national political aspirations. It was removed until some nut shot 9 black people.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys........

Poor, poor retard Liberal that can't distinguish truth from agenda.

The Confederate Flag is not banned...you are still free to fly it from your pickup

You just can't demand that it fly on the statehouse

I'll fly it in your yard.

 

[Syriusly]

To the leftists here:

You wanted to ban this flag when some white boy shot up a black church. You got your wish:

Not soon after the massacre, a picture of Dylann Roof was found where he was sporting a Confederate flag, and then again not soon after, liberals behaved as if banning that flag would somehow bring those poor souls who died in Charleston back to life. It didn't. If it were only that simple.

But when a black gay man kills two people on live TV, what would have been the reaction if people began calling for a ban of the Gay Pride Flag? This flag does represent him, does it not?

If you want to ban one flag when someone goes on a killing spree, why don't we ban all of them? Sins have been committed under all sorts of banners and flags. Banning the flags will not undo any of the crimes.

But here liberals are, using the very same narrative which they once viewed as a defense of racism, hatred, slavery, or even the murderer himself to defend a flag which represented the sexual preference of the man who murdered two people. What if we used that same logic against gay rights activists? That flying that flag is a defense of the man who killed two people in cold blood?

Even in her ignorance, the woman in the tweet below asks an important question. How does removing (banning) a flag change someone's actions? It doesn't. But here we are, fighting over which flags to ban when some psychopath goes on a killing spree. My gosh, such petty arguments over such things as pieces of fabric. Why aren't we condemning the person instead of the flag? Why are we blaming the flag or the weapon he used? On a separate note, a number of you liberals want to ban firearms when a perceived conservative commits a mass murder, however, when a gay black man commits murder, no longer is he the perpetrator, but the firearm itself. How I wish you knew how much of a double standard is being perpetrated here.

If only all of you (both sides now) realized how colossally hypocritical your narratives are. Ban one, keep the other. Ban, ban, ban, ban! This offends me! Ban it! Ban all the things! Wow. No... I can't even... just... just stop. Seriously.

If you're about to use the same narrative you criticize, you will have a bad time.

It's a little more complicated than even that my friend. Dylann Roof had a black boyfriend and he is gay.l.

You are a complete loon.

Not only are you completely making all of that crap up- you want to derail a stupid thread with even stupider crap.

 

[Syriusly]

The Confederate flag is banned. Children learn the shahada which is on the isis flag.

Do you see where this is going?

Clearly you are headed towards total lunacy....the Confederate flag is not banned....you can be proudly flying it today.

You are either confused or very stupid. It wasn't banned, it was moved. That flag wasn't moved because a guy shot a bunch of blacks. It was moved because it has been a symbol of oppression since the civil war. It was virtually forgotten until the KKK took it as a symbol, and wasn't displayed on public property until civil rights were granted. Only a racist idiot would say it was banned (again, it was not) because of roof.

It was moved because the state of SC has a bend over and grab her ankles governor who has national political aspirations. It was removed until some nut shot 9 black people.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys........

Poor, poor retard Liberal that can't distinguish truth from agenda.

The Confederate Flag is not banned...you are still free to fly it from your pickup

You just can't demand that it fly on the statehouse

I'll fly it in your yard.

With permission perfectly okay.
Without permission, you may come to regret our Second Amendment rights....

 

[Conservative65]

The Confederate flag is banned. Children learn the shahada which is on the isis flag.

Do you see where this is going?

Clearly you are headed towards total lunacy....the Confederate flag is not banned....you can be proudly flying it today.

It was moved because the state of SC has a bend over and grab her ankles governor who has national political aspirations. It was removed until some nut shot 9 black people.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys........

Poor, poor retard Liberal that can't distinguish truth from agenda.

The Confederate Flag is not banned...you are still free to fly it from your pickup

You just can't demand that it fly on the statehouse

I'll fly it in your yard.

With permission perfectly okay.
Without permission, you may come to regret our Second Amendment rights....

Don't think I don't exercise my 2nd amendment rights, too. I don't need your permission. I'll do it and laugh at you when you try to stop me.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

And that battle has been taking place long before Dylan Roof shot up that church

I'm not even referring to what happened in the SC state capitol. I am referring to all of the other displays of the flag that were removed or taken down because of the shooting in Charleston (oka: a kneejerk reaction).

And just for kicks, why this, and why did it take a shooting to make this happen?

House votes to ban Confederate flags at federal cemeteries

http://www.newsweek.com/national-park-service-removes-confederate-flag-merchandise-gift-shops-347009

Suddenly our very history is offensive. Why, all of a sudden, did we decide to get rid of it now? And why do we desecrate the resting places of our dead to meet such an end?

Protesters start to DIG UP body of Confederate general in Memphis

I cannot honestly believe the excuse that "it represented this that or the other thing, therefore it had to be removed." Sure. If you say so.

(By the way, you owe me some twinkies pal. Pay up or I'll find you.)

"And just for kicks, why this, and why did it take a shooting to make this happen?"

Because usually someone has to die first before anybody will right a basic wrong. It's human nature.

 

[BULLDOG]

Clearly you are headed towards total lunacy....the Confederate flag is not banned....you can be proudly flying it today.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys........

Poor, poor retard Liberal that can't distinguish truth from agenda.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys.....don't get to play with your flag on the capital anymore.......

Poor, poor Liberals. Pander and cater to the PC crowd who gets butthurt when they see something they don't like. I still fly several Confederate flags. Willing to try and take them down or be considered a loud mouth pussy that does nothing but talk?

You are free to fly as many confederate flags as you want on your own property. Others are free to point out that you are racist scum for doing it.

Pointing out something that isn't true makes you look like a fool. You don't seem to have a problem looking foolish.

I'll continue to fly all of them until you are man enough to come and take it down. We both know that will never happen. That means I'll point out you're the typical cowardly, loud mouth Liberal with guts to do nothing but run that mouth.

What's not true? The fact that I don't care if you fly your flag on your own property, or the fact that you are racist scum? I want yo to fly what ever flag you have allegiance to. It's easier that way to identify you as racist scum. Less trouble than making you carry a sign.

 

[BULLDOG]

The Confederate flag is banned. Children learn the shahada which is on the isis flag.

Do you see where this is going?

Clearly you are headed towards total lunacy....the Confederate flag is not banned....you can be proudly flying it today.

You are either confused or very stupid. It wasn't banned, it was moved. That flag wasn't moved because a guy shot a bunch of blacks. It was moved because it has been a symbol of oppression since the civil war. It was virtually forgotten until the KKK took it as a symbol, and wasn't displayed on public property until civil rights were granted. Only a racist idiot would say it was banned (again, it was not) because of roof.

It was moved because the state of SC has a bend over and grab her ankles governor who has national political aspirations. It was removed until some nut shot 9 black people.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys........

Poor, poor retard Liberal that can't distinguish truth from agenda.

The Confederate Flag is not banned...you are still free to fly it from your pickup

You just can't demand that it fly on the statehouse

I'll fly it in your yard.

No you won't.

 

[Syriusly]

Clearly you are headed towards total lunacy....the Confederate flag is not banned....you can be proudly flying it today.

Poor, poor Confederate fan boys........

Poor, poor retard Liberal that can't distinguish truth from agenda.

The Confederate Flag is not banned...you are still free to fly it from your pickup

You just can't demand that it fly on the statehouse

I'll fly it in your yard.

With permission perfectly okay.
Without permission, you may come to regret our Second Amendment rights....

Don't think I don't exercise my 2nd amendment rights, too. I don't need your permission. I'll do it and laugh at you when you try to stop me.

Well you see, like so many Conservatives-you think your 2nd Amendment rights gives you permission to break the law.

Carrying a weapon with the intent to break the law- criminal trespass- is not a 2nd Amendment right.

But shooting an armed criminal trespassing on my land- yeah- that is my right.