Wanna Be Black????

[PoliticalChic]

.....and a Democrat??/


1. "Affirmative Action" was seminal both for the nation, and for black Americans.
It was one of those events that can only be described by the cliché "seemed like a good idea at the time."
Seminal: having a strong influence on ideas, works, events, etc., that come later : very important and influential
Seminal Definition of seminal by Merriam-Webster
....but not, necessarily good or bad.


Lyndon Johnson, speaking at Howard University, in June of 1965, made the succinct and unassailable argument in favor of Affirmative Action, as follows:

"You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result."





2. Of course, by way of hindsight, the following applies as well:
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
H. L. Mencken

3.While fully aware of the danger of gilding that lily, and having studied LBJ's political history, I don't believe for a moment that he did it to benefit black Americans

a. " Prior to 1957, LBJ “had never supported civil rights legislation- any civil rights legislation. In the Senate and House alike, his record was an unbroken one of votes against every civil rights bill that had ever come to a vote: against voting rights bills; against bills that would have struck at job discrimination and at segregation in other areas of American life; even against bills that would have protected blacks from lynching.” Robert Caro, “Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson, vol.3,” p. xv.



".... even against bills that would have protected blacks from lynching.”


5. Of course, this is pretty much de rigueur for the Democrat Party:

a. Franklin Roosevelt's very first appointee to the Supreme Court was prominent Ku Klux Klan member Hugo Black,"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..." http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2011/10/hugo-black-and-real-history-of-wall-of.html]

b. And Bill Clinton, the most popular Democrat, said this about Obama: "Bill Clinton on Obama: 'A Few Years Ago, This Guy Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags'" Bill Clinton on Obama A Few Years Ago This Guy Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags The Weekly Standard


There ya' go: Democrats.....standin' up for the black man!

 

[Roadrunner]

.....and a Democrat??/


1. "Affirmative Action" was seminal both for the nation, and for black American.
It was one of those events that can only be described by the cliché "seemed like a good idea at the time."
Seminal: having a strong influence on ideas, works, events, etc., that come later : very important and influential
Seminal Definition of seminal by Merriam-Webster
....but not, necessarily good or bad.


Lyndon Johnson, speaking at Howard University, in June of 1965, made the succinct and unassailable argument in favor of Affirmative Action, as follows:

"You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result."





2. Of course, by way of hindsight, the following applies as well:
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
H. L. Mencken

3.While fully aware of the danger of gilding that lily, and having studied LBJ's political history, I don't believe for a moment that he did it to benefit black Americans

a. " Prior to 1957, LBJ “had never supported civil rights legislation- any civil rights legislation. In the Senate and House alike, his record was an unbroken one of votes against every civil rights bill that had ever come to a vote: against voting rights bills; against bills that would have struck at job discrimination and at segregation in other areas of American life; even against bills that would have protected blacks from lynching.” Robert Caro, “Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson, vol.3,” p. xv.



".... even against bills that would have protected blacks from lynching.”


5. Of course, this is pretty much de rigueur for the Democrat Party:

a. Franklin Roosevelt's very first appointee to the Supreme Court was prominent Ku Klux Klan member Hugo Black,"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..." http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2011/10/hugo-black-and-real-history-of-wall-of.html]

b. And Bill Clinton, the most popular Democrat, said this about Obama: "Bill Clinton on Obama: 'A Few Years Ago, This Guy Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags'" Bill Clinton on Obama A Few Years Ago This Guy Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags The Weekly Standard


There ya' go: Democrats.....standin' up for the black man!

Fifty years of the War on Poverty, and we have more poor, and the US is ready to blow like Watts '65.

Could it be time for change?

 

[NYcarbineer]

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a. " Prior to 1957, LBJ “had never supported civil rights legislation- any civil rights legislation. !

Prior to 1957, Ronald Reagan was a liberal FDR Democrat. By your 'reasoning', Reagan must have never been a conservative later in life.

 

[PoliticalChic]

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a. " Prior to 1957, LBJ “had never supported civil rights legislation- any civil rights legislation. !

Prior to 1957, Ronald Reagan was a liberal FDR Democrat. By your 'reasoning', Reagan must have never been a conservative later in life.

Gads, you'll do anything to avoid facing the painful truth.....
I haven’t seen such contortions since you gave birth to yourself.



The Democrat have always been segregationists and racists...

LBJ ".... even against bills that would have protected blacks from lynching.”

 

[NYcarbineer]

.....

a. " Prior to 1957, LBJ “had never supported civil rights legislation- any civil rights legislation. !

Prior to 1957, Ronald Reagan was a liberal FDR Democrat. By your 'reasoning', Reagan must have never been a conservative later in life.

Gads, you'll do anything to avoid facing the painful truth.....
I haven’t seen such contortions since you gave birth to yourself.



The Democrat have always been segregationists and racists...

LBJ ".... even against bills that would have protected blacks from lynching.”

If you want to make an argument that LBJ was not one of the most important figures in American history for the advancement of civil rights, then do so.

That LBJ was southern conservative back when Ronald Reagan was an FDR liberal isn't relevant.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Lyndon Johnson became a liberal and died of a heart attack.

Ronald Reagan became a conservative and died of brain damage.

 

[Moonglow]

ah yes, another conservative good, liberal bad thread..

 

[PoliticalChic]

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a. " Prior to 1957, LBJ “had never supported civil rights legislation- any civil rights legislation. !

Prior to 1957, Ronald Reagan was a liberal FDR Democrat. By your 'reasoning', Reagan must have never been a conservative later in life.

Gads, you'll do anything to avoid facing the painful truth.....
I haven’t seen such contortions since you gave birth to yourself.



The Democrat have always been segregationists and racists...

LBJ ".... even against bills that would have protected blacks from lynching.”

If you want to make an argument that LBJ was not one of the most important figures in American history for the advancement of civil rights, then do so.

That LBJ was southern conservative back when Ronald Reagan was an FDR liberal isn't relevant.

Nope....I'm simply gonna prove that Democrats have been the kind of 'friend' to blacks that the O'Jays sang about.....

 

[PoliticalChic]

ah yes, another conservative good, liberal bad thread..

Another lazy Liberal who can't come up with a defense of Liberals..

.....like the eunuch in the harem.....
...he'd like to do it, but he just can't.


You're excused: my posts are invincible.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

The Democrat have always been segregationists and racists...

Ah, that explains the black guy in the white house. Well, half black anyway.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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a. " Prior to 1957, LBJ “had never supported civil rights legislation- any civil rights legislation. !

Prior to 1957, Ronald Reagan was a liberal FDR Democrat. By your 'reasoning', Reagan must have never been a conservative later in life.

Gads, you'll do anything to avoid facing the painful truth.....
I haven’t seen such contortions since you gave birth to yourself.



The Democrat have always been segregationists and racists...

LBJ ".... even against bills that would have protected blacks from lynching.”

If you want to make an argument that LBJ was not one of the most important figures in American history for the advancement of civil rights, then do so.

That LBJ was southern conservative back when Ronald Reagan was an FDR liberal isn't relevant.

Nope....I'm simply gonna prove that Democrats have been the kind of 'friend' to blacks that the O'Jays sang about.....

All you proved is how old you are. The O'Jays? Seriously?

 

[NYcarbineer]

ah yes, another conservative good, liberal bad thread..

Another lazy Liberal who can't come up with a defense of Liberals..

.....like the eunuch in the harem.....
...he'd like to do it, but he just can't.


You're excused: my posts are invincible.

And I bet you think a certain other product of your efforts is odorless...

 

[Auld Phart]

Lyndon Johnson became a liberal and died of a heart attack.

Ronald Reagan became a conservative and died of brain damage.

Lyndon Johnson became a liberal and died of a heart attack.

An oxymoron

Ronald Reagan became a conservative and died of brain damage.

Yes, because Alzheimers is just SO funny.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Democrat have always been segregationists and racists...

Ah, that explains the black guy in the white house. Well, half black anyway.

"Explains" is a term you should avoid using, as it tends to underscore your lack of understanding.

The Democrats are hardly lacking the desire to "use" black Americans for their votes.

That was the motivation behind LBJ's legislative campaigns post 1965, when he saw the South throwing out the segregationists, and the same applies to the value the Democrats saw in Obama.


"But, the Dems can's take a chance on losing the black constituency....so, here we are.
They're pretty much saddled with this donkey.


"...what would happen if a smaller percentage of blacks turned out:

- At 90 percent black turn-out, Wisconsin’s 10 electoral votes slide into the GOP column.

- At 75 percent black turn-out, Pennsylvania’s 21 electoral votes go Republican.

- At 70 percent Michigan’s 17 electoral votes turn from blue to red.

- At 50 percent the GOP collects Delawre’s three electoral votes.

I don’t know what a realistic number to project is for the effects of angry black apathy, but I’ll stop at 50 percent. It may be that going as low as 75 percent is unrealistic. Most likely it’s impossible to say. (And this doesn’t take into account things like congressional districts where black voters make the margin of difference.)"
http://remmet.com/2008/04/04/do-democrats-need-the-black-vote/Do Democrats need the black vote? | RobertEmmet

 

[PoliticalChic]

ah yes, another conservative good, liberal bad thread..

Another lazy Liberal who can't come up with a defense of Liberals..

.....like the eunuch in the harem.....
...he'd like to do it, but he just can't.


You're excused: my posts are invincible.

And I bet you think a certain other product of your efforts is odorless...

If you can just hang on a little longer, there may be some good news for you on the horizon:

"First almost fully-formed human brain grown in lab, researchers claim"
First almost fully-formed human brain grown in lab researchers claim Science The Guardian

 

[PoliticalChic]

.....

a. " Prior to 1957, LBJ “had never supported civil rights legislation- any civil rights legislation. !

Prior to 1957, Ronald Reagan was a liberal FDR Democrat. By your 'reasoning', Reagan must have never been a conservative later in life.

Gads, you'll do anything to avoid facing the painful truth.....
I haven’t seen such contortions since you gave birth to yourself.



The Democrat have always been segregationists and racists...

LBJ ".... even against bills that would have protected blacks from lynching.”

If you want to make an argument that LBJ was not one of the most important figures in American history for the advancement of civil rights, then do so.

That LBJ was southern conservative back when Ronald Reagan was an FDR liberal isn't relevant.

Nope....I'm simply gonna prove that Democrats have been the kind of 'friend' to blacks that the O'Jays sang about.....

All you proved is how old you are. The O'Jays? Seriously?

I listen to a lot of Bach,too....so I must have been born about the same time as America, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now....about that Affirmative Action....

4. That was two and a half generations ago. The poverty rate in America is elastically close to what it was when Johnson followed up with the "War on Poverty."

"All this spending has not bought an appreciable reduction in poverty. … the poverty rate has remained relatively constant since 1965, despite rising welfare spending. In fact, the only appreciable decline occurred in the 1990s, a time of
state experimentation with tightening welfare eligibility, culminating in the passage of national welfare reform (the Personal Responsibility and Work Responsibility Act of 1996). And, since 2006, poverty rates have risen despite a massive increase in spending. Census Bureau, “Table 5–Percent of People
by Ratio of Income to Poverty Level: 1970–2010,”
Poverty Data - U.S Census Bureau historical/hstpov5.xls.
The American Welfare State
How We Spend Nearly $1 Trillion a Year Fighting Poverty—and Fail
by Michael Tanner
Scribd




And at least as important as the material aspect, the social aspect has become worse than it was...for example:


" Poll: 55 percent say race relations 'worse' under Obama, just 8 percent 'better'" Poll 55 percent say race relations worse under Obama just 8 percent better Washington Examiner

 

[ClosedCaption]

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a. " Prior to 1957, LBJ “had never supported civil rights legislation- any civil rights legislation. !

Prior to 1957, Ronald Reagan was a liberal FDR Democrat. By your 'reasoning', Reagan must have never been a conservative later in life.

Gads, you'll do anything to avoid facing the painful truth.....
I haven’t seen such contortions since you gave birth to yourself.



The Democrat have always been segregationists and racists...

LBJ ".... even against bills that would have protected blacks from lynching.”

Actual Pic of PC when that point was made

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thank you for putting this in the badlands.

 

[Jroc]

our first progressive president

Wilson, our first professorial president, was a case in point. He was the very model of a modern Progressive, and he was recognized as such. He prided himself on having pioneered the new science of rational administration, and he shared the conviction, dominant among his brethren, that African-Americans were racially inferior to whites. With the dictates of Social Darwinism and the eugenics movement in mind, in 1907, he campaigned in Indiana for the compulsory sterilization of criminals and the mentally retarded; and in 1911, while governor of New Jersey, he proudly signed into law just such a bill. Prior to the segregation of the civil service in 1913, appointments had been made solely on merit as indicated by the candidate’s performance on the civil-service examination. Thereafter, racial discrimination became the norm. Photographs came to be required at the time of application, and African-Americans knew they would not be hired. The existing work force was segregated. Many African-Americans were dismissed. In the postal service, others were transferred to the dead-letter office, where they had no contact with the general public. Those who continued to work in municipal post offices labored behind screens — out of sight and out of mind. When the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the National Independent Political League objected to the new policy, Wilson — a Presbyterian elder who was nothing if not high-minded — vigorously defended it, arguing that segregation was in the interest of African-Americans. For 35 years, segregation in the civil service would be public policy. It was only after Adolf Hitler gave eugenics and “scientific racism” a bad name that segregation came to seem objectionable. If Wilson’s new policy encountered little opposition, it was because a change of sentiment had taken place. Jim Crow had not been the norm before 1890, even in the deep South. As C. Vann Woodward noted nearly 60 years ago, in The Strange Career of Jim Crow, it became the norm there only when it received sanction from the racist Progressives in the North

Read more at: Progressive Racism National Review Online