Wal Mart and Censorship

[random3434]

until the "musicians" in green Day refuse to accept the profits from sales of edited CDs at Walmart, they can stfu

Well, they don't have their new CD at Wal Mart, so I guess they don't have to stfu.

so what's all the hooplah?

green day doesn't like that walmart sells edited music and they don't sell their music at walmart. sounds perfectly ok to me.

they can sell their music where they want and walmart can sell what they want. ain't no one's rights being violated here.

Never said there was. In the first page, I stated Wal Mart has the right to sell what they want, because it's a free market.

Again, I saw this article and thought it may bring up some good debate about the censoring of music.

Green Day is against it! Seems that's their choice, as I'm sure most artists feel that way too.

 

[Skull Pilot]

they are against editing of their music, yet they allow edited music to be sold and they make a profit on it.

sounds hypocritical to me.

 

[Oddball]

Never said there was. In the first page, I stated Wal Mart has the right to sell what they want, because it's a free market.

Again, I saw this article and thought it may bring up some good debate about the censoring of music.

Green Day is against it! Seems that's their choice, as I'm sure most artists feel that way too.

Then, as I already stated, maybe Green Day an the other musicians....I'm sorry, "artists".... who don't like having their work edited should take it up with the producers of those edited CDs, rather than blaming Wally World.

 

[random3434]

they are against editing of their music, yet they allow edited music to be sold and they make a profit on it.

sounds hypocritical to me.

Again, Wal Mart is NOT carrying the new Green Day CD, because Green Day has refused to let them edit their CD.

How is that hypocritical?

 

[manifold]

Once again I'm amazed at the prevailing misunderstanding of what freedom of speech means. *sigh*

And Editec, it's rare to see you be so completely wrong like this. Sifting through your Walmart diatribe, it almost seems as if you think they should be forced to sell the album unaltered.

 

[random3434]

Never said there was. In the first page, I stated Wal Mart has the right to sell what they want, because it's a free market.

Again, I saw this article and thought it may bring up some good debate about the censoring of music.

Green Day is against it! Seems that's their choice, as I'm sure most artists feel that way too.

Than, as I already stated, maybe Green Day an the other musicians....I'm sorry, "artists".... who don't like having their work edited should take it up with the producers of those edited CDs, rather than blaming Wally World.

Sounds like a plan!

 

[manifold]

Considering Wal-Mart's corporate power, their refusal to stock the uncensored CD is probably as great an imposition as individual state censorship of it, if not greater. But capitalists are only capable of identifying authoritarianism when manifested through the state, so it's understandable that they're a bit confused here.

So you think Walmart should be forced to stock this particular CD? Really? So what about the thousands of struggling bands out there? Should Walmart be forced to stock their's too?

 

[Agnapostate]

So you think Walmart should be forced to stock this particular CD? Really? So what about the thousands of struggling bands out there? Should Walmart be forced to stock their's too?

Probably not, and music as a whole is insignificant enough that it wouldn't matter (except for System ), but I'd ultimately say that even entertainment retail should be a public enterprise and thus subject to democratic management.

 

[manifold]

I'd ultimately say that even entertainment retail should be a public enterprise and thus subject to democratic management.

That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard... seriously.

Even worse than the jump to conclusions mat.

 

[Agnapostate]

That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard... seriously.

Even worse than the jump to conclusions mat.

It's simply a rational component of my libertarian socialism to subject the entertainment industry to the same democratic structural frameworks as other labor markets.

 

[Skull Pilot]

they are against editing of their music, yet they allow edited music to be sold and they make a profit on it.

sounds hypocritical to me.

Again, Wal Mart is NOT carrying the new Green Day CD, because Green Day has refused to let them edit their CD.

How is that hypocritical?

they have no problem with edited music being played on the radio but they have a problem with a clean version of a cd being sold. hypocritical

if that's how they feel, they should only allow satellite stations that will not edit their songs to play them.

 

[manifold]

That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard... seriously.

Even worse than the jump to conclusions mat.

It's simply a rational component of my libertarian socialism to subject the entertainment industry to the same democratic structural frameworks as other labor markets.

Labor markets?


Are we talking about artistic expression or minimum gig fees for working musicians?

 

[Agnapostate]

Labor markets?

Are we talking about artistic expression or minimum gig fees for working musicians?

Where have you gained the understanding that they're mutually exclusive?

 

[manifold]

Labor markets?

Are we talking about artistic expression or minimum gig fees for working musicians?

Where have you gained the understanding that they're mutually exclusive?

I haven't.


But I'm pretty sure you don't actually know what mutually exclusive means.

 

[Agnapostate]

I haven't.

But I'm pretty sure you don't actually know what mutually exclusive means.

Describing multiple events or states of being such that the occurrence of any one implies the non-occurrence of all the others.

...?

 

[manifold]

Thanks, but I already knew what it meant.

And now that you know too, perhaps you'll be less likely to misuse it in future.

 

[Agnapostate]

Thanks, but I already knew what it meant.

And now that you know too, perhaps you'll be less likely to misuse it in future.

Perhaps if you understand the nature of my comment, you wouldn't misidentify in the future. But by all means, go look up "dynamic monopsony" and get back to me with something *cogent* about the labor market.

 

[manifold]

Thanks, but I already knew what it meant.

And now that you know too, perhaps you'll be less likely to misuse it in future.

Perhaps if you understand the nature of my comment, you wouldn't misidentify in the future. But by all means, go look up "dynamic monopsony" and get back to me with something *cogent* about the labor market.

I assure you that I require no additional research to discern the absurdity of your misguided ramblings.

However, in this instance it does remind me of some verses from a seminal rock piece:

We've taken care of everything
The words you read, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes.

It's one for all, and all for one
we work together common sons
never need to wonder how or why

We are the priests, of the Temples of Syrinx...

 

[Agnapostate]

A worthy description of the nature of corporate power.

 

[KittenKoder]

The War of Rights!