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At this point in time what is in the bills before the house and senate is essentially meaningless. Until both versions are passed and the reconciliation committee meets and produces the compromise between the two plans there is no real way of knowing exactly what the final version will say.
What we on the right are engaged in is a preemptive strike against possible features of the bill that we believe are disasterous or just plane wrong. Sorry but I trust neither leftist politicians or any bodys government ot oversee my health care beyond myself and my doctor and at times I'm none to sure about him.
Oh and for what it's worth the whole basis of this new healthcare bill is fear mongering.
Sane people get upset when they know they have been lied to..
Me? I freely admit I haven't taken the time to read all of any of them. But then again, I'm not pissing and moaning about them either. Time enough to weigh in when we have some idea which one they'll actually put up for a vote.
Oh, and good to see you again!
At this point in time what is in the bills before the house and senate is essentially meaningless. Until both versions are passed and the reconciliation committee meets and produces the compromise between the two plans there is no real way of knowing exactly what the final version will say.
What we on the right are engaged in is a preemptive strike against possible features of the bill that we believe are disasterous or just plane wrong. Sorry but I trust neither leftist politicians or any bodys government ot oversee my health care beyond myself and my doctor and at times I'm none to sure about him.
Oh and for what it's worth the whole basis of this new healthcare bill is fear mongering.
How come the person you elected didn't keep his campaign promise and just instruct Pelosi and Reid to extend their health care to each and every legal American? There is no reason for debate.. and we want exactly what they have.. He promised.
Please show me proff of this promise. YOU seem to be the only one remembering this exact promise?
no,, go find your own damn proof. that's exactly what he said.
It will be too late if we wait that long. If we don't let our leaders know what parts we don't like and do it now, it will be too late once Congress agrees on the final version and gets ready to put it on the President's desk.
How many people here truly understand everything contained within any and all of the possible bills presently being discussed by Congress on healthcare reform.
Vs.
How many people pissing, moaning and fear mongering about what MIGHT be in them?
Listen and then go eat some shit libtards
YouTube - Obama Promises
I should say lazy assed libtards,, hell you can't even remember all the fucking lies you've been fed.. and you voted for this asshole.
But your meaningless opening salvo contributes nothing whatsoever.
Listen and then go eat some shit libtards
YouTube - Obama Promises
I should say lazy assed libtards,, hell you can't even remember all the fucking lies you've been fed.. and you voted for this asshole.
Yup, you got one right. He did say it. But he also favored universal coverage during the campaign. Then realized that it would be far too disruptive to start from scratch (and and more expensive at the outset) and has acknowledged back-pedaling on it. At least he doesn't try to spin when he makes mistakes.
How many people here truly understand everything contained within any and all of the possible bills presently being discussed by Congress on healthcare reform.
Vs.
How many people pissing, moaning and fear mongering about what MIGHT be in them?
I'll tell ya something Yank... if you DON'T know what's in them, you BETTER be pissing and moaning.
The PROBLEM with these stinking, rotten liberals in power right now is not even THEY know what's in these bills, INCLUDING oBAMA, and they're still PASSING these bills, UNREAD! You're dumber'n a sack of puss if you DON'T get loud in opposition to that shit.
It will be too late if we wait that long. If we don't let our leaders know what parts we don't like and do it now, it will be too late once Congress agrees on the final version and gets ready to put it on the President's desk.
Fair enough. SPECIFICALLY, which portions(s) of which proposal(s) currently being dicussed in the Houose and/or Senate, do you disagree with. THIS is a debate we can all have IF specifics are given so that we are not all giving opinions on supposition.
Listen and then go eat some shit libtards
YouTube - Obama Promises
I should say lazy assed libtards,, hell you can't even remember all the fucking lies you've been fed.. and you voted for this asshole.
Yup, you got one right. He did say it. But he also favored universal coverage during the campaign. Then realized that it would be far too disruptive to start from scratch (and and more expensive at the outset) and has acknowledged back-pedaling on it. At least he doesn't try to spin when he makes mistakes.
Listen and then go eat some shit libtards
YouTube - Obama Promises
I should say lazy assed libtards,, hell you can't even remember all the fucking lies you've been fed.. and you voted for this asshole.
Yup, you got one right. He did say it. But he also favored universal coverage during the campaign. Then realized that it would be far too disruptive to start from scratch (and and more expensive at the outset) and has acknowledged back-pedaling on it. At least he doesn't try to spin when he makes mistakes.
You just did his spinning for him.
He didn't "change his mind."
He admitted his real inclinations. He has been lying since then.
Those desires of his go unchanged.
His legislation all amounts to the camel's nose under the tent flap.
It will be too late if we wait that long. If we don't let our leaders know what parts we don't like and do it now, it will be too late once Congress agrees on the final version and gets ready to put it on the President's desk.
Fair enough. SPECIFICALLY, which portions(s) of which proposal(s) currently being dicussed in the Houose and/or Senate, do you disagree with. THIS is a debate we can all have IF specifics are given so that we are not all giving opinions on supposition.
Off the top of my head and for right now the main issues that I have are:
a) That this will kill competition and the private health insurance industry. Not ban it. Note: the proposed bill does not ban it, but the limitation of not being able to write new policies effectively kills the industry. It is a back door way of taking over our health care and quite frankly, I do not want a government bean counter (seeing as how I am a bean counter and know they have no business counting our medical beans) determining our health care. This will mean that we no longer have a choice.
b) One size fits all health insurance - when the government gets its hands on our coverage, they will tell us what we can and cannot have covered, the size of our deductibles, what doctors we can and cannot see, how often we can see a doctor, what prescriptions are/are not covered etc. All this will limit our plans to basically a one size fits all Americans plan. No variety means no options just like Social Security. No options means no chance to modify your coverage and no cost savings available.
c) I'm not to keen on the idea of providing free health coverage to illegal aliens either, although I am not positive that will happen.
d) Why must I participate in this plan if Congress isn't going to get the same shit I do? Basically, this will start out like Social Security and we'll get screwed all over again.
e) And, abortions for all!!! Paid for by your friendly neighborhood conservative. Hooray!!! End of life planning? Don't you realize that will eventually lead to euthanasia?
Those are the starters. Those are the issues that have struck me so far. Personally, I do not trust our leaders in this matter or any matter for that matter.
Immie
Yup, you got one right. He did say it. But he also favored universal coverage during the campaign. Then realized that it would be far too disruptive to start from scratch (and and more expensive at the outset) and has acknowledged back-pedaling on it. At least he doesn't try to spin when he makes mistakes.
You just did his spinning for him.
He didn't "change his mind."
He admitted his real inclinations. He has been lying since then.
Those desires of his go unchanged.
His legislation all amounts to the camel's nose under the tent flap.
You're right too...Obama would like to see universal care, but he knows it's a pipedream. So ironically, he went with the next best thing--health insurance for everyone--which has been proposed by REPUBLICANS in the past. The problem, of course, is that in order to fine tune even that much smaller version takes a few pages to construct. After all, the last Harry Potter book was 700 pages long.
It will be too late if we wait that long. If we don't let our leaders know what parts we don't like and do it now, it will be too late once Congress agrees on the final version and gets ready to put it on the President's desk.
Fair enough. SPECIFICALLY, which portions(s) of which proposal(s) currently being dicussed in the Houose and/or Senate, do you disagree with. THIS is a debate we can all have IF specifics are given so that we are not all giving opinions on supposition.
Off the top of my head and for right now the main issues that I have are:
a) That this will kill competition and the private health insurance industry. Not ban it. Note: the proposed bill does not ban it, but the limitation of not being able to write new policies effectively kills the industry. It is a back door way of taking over our health care and quite frankly, I do not want a government bean counter (seeing as how I am a bean counter and know they have no business counting our medical beans) determining our health care. This will mean that we no longer have a choice.
b) One size fits all health insurance - when the government gets its hands on our coverage, they will tell us what we can and cannot have covered, the size of our deductibles, what doctors we can and cannot see, how often we can see a doctor, what prescriptions are/are not covered etc. All this will limit our plans to basically a one size fits all Americans plan. No variety means no options just like Social Security. No options means no chance to modify your coverage and no cost savings available.
c) I'm not to keen on the idea of providing free health coverage to illegal aliens either, although I am not positive that will happen.
d) Why must I participate in this plan if Congress isn't going to get the same shit I do? Basically, this will start out like Social Security and we'll get screwed all over again.
e) And, abortions for all!!! Paid for by your friendly neighborhood conservative. Hooray!!! End of life planning? Don't you realize that will eventually lead to euthanasia?
Those are the starters. Those are the issues that have struck me so far. Personally, I do not trust our leaders in this matter or any matter for that matter.
Immie
Listen and then go eat some shit libtards
YouTube - Obama Promises
I should say lazy assed libtards,, hell you can't even remember all the fucking lies you've been fed.. and you voted for this asshole.
Yup, you got one right. He did say it. But he also favored universal coverage during the campaign. Then realized that it would be far too disruptive to start from scratch (and and more expensive at the outset) and has acknowledged back-pedaling on it. At least he doesn't try to spin when he makes mistakes.
please.
First of all, a) and b) is basically what Medicare does. How many covered by Medicare complain about those two? And we're generally in worse health overall than you younguns, needing more frequent and better services. The one-size-fits-all works quite well for us, thank you very much. It's not like shopping for a car. We couldn't care less if the color is red or green.
Second, you are correct that throughout the draft bills it is clear that only ELIGIBLE Americans living here LEGALLY will be covered. And lastly, federal payment for abortions is already against the law, and nowhere in the draft bills would a loophole allow abortions thereby circumventing existing law.
You just did his spinning for him.
He didn't "change his mind."
He admitted his real inclinations. He has been lying since then.
Those desires of his go unchanged.
His legislation all amounts to the camel's nose under the tent flap.
You're right too...Obama would like to see universal care, but he knows it's a pipedream. So ironically, he went with the next best thing--health insurance for everyone--which has been proposed by REPUBLICANS in the past. The problem, of course, is that in order to fine tune even that much smaller version takes a few pages to construct. After all, the last Harry Potter book was 700 pages long.
Bull. He only very recently altered his rhetoric. He STARTED by talking about Universal Health Care. When he discovered that the American people are less than thrilled with his utopian vision of nirvana, however, he did not alter his goals. He ONLY altered the way he communicates it. In other words, he lies.
HE now pretends that he is seeking a change in health insurance policy. But he is still seeking universal health care.
His vision is absurd and dangerous.
