Voter I.D. Question

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    Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections

    “a state violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution whenever it makes the affluence of the voter or payment of any fee an electoral standard. Voter qualifications have no relation to wealth.”

    Harper v. Virginia State Board of Elections - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Crawdford v. Marion Country Board of Elections

    "The relevant burdens here are those imposed on eligible voters who lack photo identification cards that comply with SEA 483.[2] Because Indiana’s cards are free, the inconvenience of going to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, gathering required documents, and posing for a photograph does not qualify as a substantial burden on most voters’ right to vote, or represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting. The severity of the somewhat heavier burden that may be placed on a limited number of persons—e.g., elderly persons born out-of-state, who may have difficulty obtaining a birth certificate—is mitigated by the fact that eligible voters without photo identification may cast provisional ballots that will be counted if they execute the required affidavit at the circuit court clerk’s office. Even assuming that the burden may not be justified as to a few voters, that conclusion is by no means sufficient to establish petitioners’ right to the relief they seek."

    Crawford v. Marion County Election Board - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    24th Amendment

    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
    Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


    Okay here is my question, given the court in 2008 ruled that the Indiana standard for Voter ID does not place a burden on the voter because the ID's are Free, if a voter who seek's an ID for the purpose of voting pays any fee's to get that ID, such as costs to get a Birth Certificate, Proof of Citizenship, address, etc. then they are paying a fee to do so, and thus under Harper and the 24th Amendment are they not paying a Poll Tax? If however the entire process were free to those who wished to vote, and those ID's were Free, for example when a person registered to vote and the voter registration card was the picture ID and was free, then that would itself be well within a states rights to require of a voter no matter what the reason. It is a stretch at best to use a "fraud" standard as a sole basis for this standard and to advocate for it simply on the basis that ID's are required for other aspects of life such as cashing a check etc. are baseless in that none of these are protected under the constitution. Yes, a state can set standards for elections as long as they do not conflict with Federal law, and it would in my humble opinion seem that these Voter ID Laws, as long as they require an individual to pay any fee to aquire these ID's are placing a poll tax on those persons for the purpose of voting.
     
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    The President and the Democrats are against requiring a voter I.D. because it will keep illegal aliens from voting. If obama is going to win in November he needs the illegal alien vote.
     
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    the registration should come complete with a photo ID if one is required to vote.

    the Republicans are obviously trying to suppress voting by requiring both to register and also to produce a photo ID that are not both inclusive at the time of registration.
     
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    That is the bottom line. It's all about getting re-elected....not about one man, one vote!
     
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    Make that one eligible citizen, one vote
     
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    Bullshit. Strawman fallacy.


    Please provide your evidence that illegals swing elections. Thank you.


    How many times have I asked for anyone to provide evidence of voter fraud which only Voter ID could prevent or catch? Countless times.

    And how many people have provided such evidence? Zero.

    How many times have I said Voter ID is a "solution" looking for a problem? Countless times.

    Pennsylvania has confirmed this.

    Pennsylvania Voter ID Lawsuit Set To Begin As State Concedes It Has No Proof Of In-Person Voter Fraud

    Slam dunk.


    Voter ID has one purpose, and one purpose only. To decrease Democratic turnout.

    If the only way you can win is to cheat, what does that say about the integrity of your philosophy?

    To me, it screams that you suck, big-time.

    The rabid bongwater drinkers' call for Voter ID is one of many reasons why I am not voting this year.

    And I have always voted the straight GOP ticket. So how ironic is that?

    You assholes deserve Obama.
     
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    Because voter fraud is essentially irrational, it is not surprising that no credible evidence suggests a voter fraud epidemic. There is no documented wave or trend of individuals voting multiple times, voting as someone else, or voting despite knowing that they are ineligible. Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_38347.pdf

    Perhaps if those people who were to slip through were to vote, then it might be an issue, however take Arizona for example, given the fact we have a pretty large illegal Alien population and if the fraud issue were as pervasive as some say it is, why then would they not vote to their advantage here? I tend to think the statistics are pretty fair in that they represent a system thats fairly fraud free and again I have no issue with ID's , my issue here is that the a person who is made to aquire an ID for the sole purpose of voting , who then has to pay to aquire that ID, is then being made to pay a tax to vote. If that is the case then it violates the constitution as well as existing case law on the subject. It seems to me that if the purpose is to prevent fraud and to ID the voter then its a simple process of putting one's picture on a voter registration card and the issue is done, however when you have states like Texas that will accept a Gun License and not a State University ID such as the University of Texas, then it appears at least on the surface to have more politcal intent than real intent.
     
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    You already have the answer to your question. I bolded it for you.
     
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    Here is the state of Pennsylvania's admission there is no justification for Voter ID: http://www.aclupa.org/downloads/ApplewhiteStipulation.pdf

     
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