Voted for McCain and/or Romney? Then Why Not the More Conservative Trump?

[mikegriffith1]

If you brought yourself to vote for McCain in 2008 and/or Romney in 2012, you should have no problem voting for Donald Trump because Trump is more conservative than McCain or Romney. Consider:

* Romney raised a slew of taxes as governor of Massachusetts, and McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts for years (until 2006). Trump has always been rock solid on tax cuts.

* McCain has long been for weak immigration reform bills, including bills that provided a pathway to citizenship, and McCain and Romney both support the suicidal anchor baby policy. Trump has been a vocal opponent of citizenship for illegals, and he opposes the anchor baby policy.

* McCain and Romney had mixed records on deregulation. Trump has a long history of speaking out against excessive government regulation.

* McCain and Romney both sided with liberals on man-made global warming, and McCain has been erratic on supporting more oil drilling. Trump has voiced skepticism about man-made climate change; Trump has always favored more oil drilling; and he recently hired Rep. Kevin Cramer, an ardent climate change skeptic and pro-drilling member of Congress, to lead his policy team on energy issues.

* McCain and Romney have long been ardent globalists on trade policy, such as NAFTA. Trump, in stark contrast, has always opposed the globalist “free trade” agenda and supported an America First fair trade policy. Although many modern Republicans support the globalist trade policy ramped into high gear by Bill Clinton via NAFTA, the Republican Party was founded on fair trade, i.e., protective tariffs to protect American industries against unfair foreign competition. Abraham Lincoln strongly backed fair trade. So did the leading conservative Republican of the 1940s and 1950s, Senator Robert Taft, aka “Mr. Republican.”

* Romney picked Paul Ryan as his VP candidate, the same Paul Ryan who just helped pushed through the budget-busting omnibus spending bill that Obama was only too happy to sign since it gave him virtually everything he asked for, including full funding of Planned Parenthood, raising the debt ceiling, raising spending by some $50 billion, etc., etc. Trump has already signaled that his VP candidate will not be in the Paul Ryan mold.

* Romney appointed numerous liberal judges as governor, and McCain voted for Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, two of the most liberal judges on the Supreme Court in the last 50 years. Trump, on the other hand, recently released a list of 11 judges from which he would select Supreme Court nominees, and each of those judges is a solid conservative.

For more information and sources on Donald Trump’s conservative credentials, see:

Some of Donald Trump’s Conservative Credentials
Some of Trump's Conservative Credentials

 

[Preacher]

I did not vote for McCain or Romney and 100% support Trump.

 

[Freewill]

Trump isn't Mrs. Tuzla Clinton, that is ALL I need.

 

[sonic]

Trump has been a liberal his entire life. Don't be conned (and the man is a talented con man) by Don The Con's sudden shift to pander to the mad-as-hell Right Wingers.
Why not Trump? Because the man is completely unqualified for the job not to mention being intellectually and emotionally unfit for office. The guy lashes out like a 12 year old girl blaming anyone and everyone for his problems, his constant lies, his utter ineptitude when it comes to policy.

 

[Crixus]

If you brought yourself to vote for McCain in 2008 and/or Romney in 2012, you should have no problem voting for Donald Trump because Trump is more conservative than McCain or Romney. Consider:

* Romney raised a slew of taxes as governor of Massachusetts, and McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts for years (until 2006). Trump has always been rock solid on tax cuts.

* McCain has long been for weak immigration reform bills, including bills that provided a pathway to citizenship, and McCain and Romney both support the suicidal anchor baby policy. Trump has been a vocal opponent of citizenship for illegals, and he opposes the anchor baby policy.

* McCain and Romney had mixed records on deregulation. Trump has a long history of speaking out against excessive government regulation.

* McCain and Romney both sided with liberals on man-made global warming, and McCain has been erratic on supporting more oil drilling. Trump has voiced skepticism about man-made climate change; Trump has always favored more oil drilling; and he recently hired Rep. Kevin Cramer, an ardent climate change skeptic and pro-drilling member of Congress, to lead his policy team on energy issues.

* McCain and Romney have long been ardent globalists on trade policy, such as NAFTA. Trump, in stark contrast, has always opposed the globalist “free trade” agenda and supported an America First fair trade policy. Although many modern Republicans support the globalist trade policy ramped into high gear by Bill Clinton via NAFTA, the Republican Party was founded on fair trade, i.e., protective tariffs to protect American industries against unfair foreign competition. Abraham Lincoln strongly backed fair trade. So did the leading conservative Republican of the 1940s and 1950s, Senator Robert Taft, aka “Mr. Republican.”

* Romney picked Paul Ryan as his VP candidate, the same Paul Ryan who just helped pushed through the budget-busting omnibus spending bill that Obama was only too happy to sign since it gave him virtually everything he asked for, including full funding of Planned Parenthood, raising the debt ceiling, raising spending by some $50 billion, etc., etc. Trump has already signaled that his VP candidate will not be in the Paul Ryan mold.

* Romney appointed numerous liberal judges as governor, and McCain voted for Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, two of the most liberal judges on the Supreme Court in the last 50 years. Trump, on the other hand, recently released a list of 11 judges from which he would select Supreme Court nominees, and each of those judges is a solid conservative.

For more information and sources on Donald Trump’s conservative credentials, see:

Some of Donald Trump’s Conservative Credentials
Some of Trump's Conservative Credentials

Trump funded the gang of 8.

 

[my2¢]

Leaning towards Trump only to negate wife's Hillary vote.

 

[blackhawk]

The Trump campigan of 2016 reminds me way to much of the Obama one of 2008 at the end of this election there will be a liberal in the White House the only question is how far left will it be.

 

[Jack4jill]

Trump is conservative like a call girl is in love with you.

For a price they can fake anything.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Voted for McCain and/or Romney? Then Why Not the More Conservative Trump?"

lol

You can’t be serious – what a stupid ‘argument.’

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I did not vote for McCain or Romney and 100% support Trump.

Trump must be so proud that he’s got a lock on the bigot and racist vote.

 

[candycorn]

If you brought yourself to vote for McCain in 2008 and/or Romney in 2012, you should have no problem voting for Donald Trump because Trump is more conservative than McCain or Romney. Consider:

* Romney raised a slew of taxes as governor of Massachusetts, and McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts for years (until 2006). Trump has always been rock solid on tax cuts.

* McCain has long been for weak immigration reform bills, including bills that provided a pathway to citizenship, and McCain and Romney both support the suicidal anchor baby policy. Trump has been a vocal opponent of citizenship for illegals, and he opposes the anchor baby policy.

* McCain and Romney had mixed records on deregulation. Trump has a long history of speaking out against excessive government regulation.

* McCain and Romney both sided with liberals on man-made global warming, and McCain has been erratic on supporting more oil drilling. Trump has voiced skepticism about man-made climate change; Trump has always favored more oil drilling; and he recently hired Rep. Kevin Cramer, an ardent climate change skeptic and pro-drilling member of Congress, to lead his policy team on energy issues.

* McCain and Romney have long been ardent globalists on trade policy, such as NAFTA. Trump, in stark contrast, has always opposed the globalist “free trade” agenda and supported an America First fair trade policy. Although many modern Republicans support the globalist trade policy ramped into high gear by Bill Clinton via NAFTA, the Republican Party was founded on fair trade, i.e., protective tariffs to protect American industries against unfair foreign competition. Abraham Lincoln strongly backed fair trade. So did the leading conservative Republican of the 1940s and 1950s, Senator Robert Taft, aka “Mr. Republican.”

* Romney picked Paul Ryan as his VP candidate, the same Paul Ryan who just helped pushed through the budget-busting omnibus spending bill that Obama was only too happy to sign since it gave him virtually everything he asked for, including full funding of Planned Parenthood, raising the debt ceiling, raising spending by some $50 billion, etc., etc. Trump has already signaled that his VP candidate will not be in the Paul Ryan mold.

* Romney appointed numerous liberal judges as governor, and McCain voted for Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, two of the most liberal judges on the Supreme Court in the last 50 years. Trump, on the other hand, recently released a list of 11 judges from which he would select Supreme Court nominees, and each of those judges is a solid conservative.

For more information and sources on Donald Trump’s conservative credentials, see:

Some of Donald Trump’s Conservative Credentials
Some of Trump's Conservative Credentials

Did either Senator McCain or Governor Romney insinuate that a woman who questioned him was on her period? Drumpf did.

Did either Senator McCain or Governor Romney make fun of a man with a birth defect? Drumpf did.

Did either Senator McCain or Governor Romney ask "who would vote for that" when talking about a woman's appearance?


The two aformentioned candidates are good men. McCain is a war hero who Drumpf doesn't like and, from all reports, Mitt Romney is a decent man who ran a terrible campaign (just about the one and only fact Drumpf has gotten right--the Romney campaign was pathetic). Drumpf is a small fraction of a man who, if he were poor, would be spat on by those who support him.

That is why the election isn't about anger or people being anti-eastablishment or any thing else. Drumpf if a humorist who has used his celebrity to elevate in politics much the same way a humorist like Jon Stewart or Bill Maher elevated in commentary. The difference is that Stewart and Maher know that they would do much more damage than those they lampoon and their egos are not so gargantuan that they think they could do better. Drumpf's galaxy sized ego doesn't know that so on he goes spurred by the people who are not angry, anti-establishment, or even interested in solutions to the nations problems. Drumpf supporters, almost exclusively, are happy that a national candidate has validated their basic trait of hatefulness toward women, HIspanics, Muslims, and as we go forward...you'll see others in unguarded moments. That is the lone reason for the support.

 

[Jack4jill]

I did not vote for McCain or Romney and 100% support Trump.

Trump must be so proud that he’s got a lock on the bigot and racist vote.

White hoods for Trump.

 

[oreo]

If you brought yourself to vote for McCain in 2008 and/or Romney in 2012, you should have no problem voting for Donald Trump because Trump is more conservative than McCain or Romney. Consider:

* Romney raised a slew of taxes as governor of Massachusetts, and McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts for years (until 2006). Trump has always been rock solid on tax cuts.

* McCain has long been for weak immigration reform bills, including bills that provided a pathway to citizenship, and McCain and Romney both support the suicidal anchor baby policy. Trump has been a vocal opponent of citizenship for illegals, and he opposes the anchor baby policy.

* McCain and Romney had mixed records on deregulation. Trump has a long history of speaking out against excessive government regulation.

* McCain and Romney both sided with liberals on man-made global warming, and McCain has been erratic on supporting more oil drilling. Trump has voiced skepticism about man-made climate change; Trump has always favored more oil drilling; and he recently hired Rep. Kevin Cramer, an ardent climate change skeptic and pro-drilling member of Congress, to lead his policy team on energy issues.

* McCain and Romney have long been ardent globalists on trade policy, such as NAFTA. Trump, in stark contrast, has always opposed the globalist “free trade” agenda and supported an America First fair trade policy. Although many modern Republicans support the globalist trade policy ramped into high gear by Bill Clinton via NAFTA, the Republican Party was founded on fair trade, i.e., protective tariffs to protect American industries against unfair foreign competition. Abraham Lincoln strongly backed fair trade. So did the leading conservative Republican of the 1940s and 1950s, Senator Robert Taft, aka “Mr. Republican.”

* Romney picked Paul Ryan as his VP candidate, the same Paul Ryan who just helped pushed through the budget-busting omnibus spending bill that Obama was only too happy to sign since it gave him virtually everything he asked for, including full funding of Planned Parenthood, raising the debt ceiling, raising spending by some $50 billion, etc., etc. Trump has already signaled that his VP candidate will not be in the Paul Ryan mold.

* Romney appointed numerous liberal judges as governor, and McCain voted for Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, two of the most liberal judges on the Supreme Court in the last 50 years. Trump, on the other hand, recently released a list of 11 judges from which he would select Supreme Court nominees, and each of those judges is a solid conservative.

For more information and sources on Donald Trump’s conservative credentials, see:

Some of Donald Trump’s Conservative Credentials
Some of Trump's Conservative Credentials

Donald Trump supports single payer health care. Donald Trump praised Obama's 878 billion dollar economic stimulus bill. This when only one Republican in the entire congress voted for it, and he promptly lost his seat thereafter. Donald Trump doesn't has never shown a conservative bone in his body.
Donald Trump wants to replace Obamacare with a single-payer health care system, GOP congressman says
That Time Donald Trump Praised The Stimulus Package On Fox News

And these are just two reasons of why real conservatives will not be voting for him.
I’ll Take Hillary Clinton Over Donald Trump

 

[Staidhup]

McCain, Romney, and Trump are and were not true conservatives. When one is willing to compromise their core beliefs then what are they, most importantly what else will they compromise and sacrifice, for what?

 

[oreo]

McCain, Romney, and Trump are and were not true conservatives. When one is willing to compromise their core beliefs then what are they, most importantly what else will they compromise and sacrifice, for what?

Neither Romney nor McCain would have ever gone on a FOX news interview with Bill O'Reilly and praised Obama's 878 billion dollar economic stimulus bill. Donald Trump did.
That Time Donald Trump Praised The Stimulus Package On Fox News

Neither Romney nor McCain would have ever approved of single payer health care. Donald Trump is on several records for wanting to go to a single payer--completely government run health care system.
Donald Trump wants to replace Obamacare with a single-payer health care system, GOP congressman says

Neither Romney nor McCain would have donated a dime to Nancy Pelosi's campaign.
Now I don't know anyone who claims to be a conservative who could stomach the thought of sending Nancy Pelosi money. Donald Trump did.
Donald Trump Donated Heavily To Democrats, Especially During Election Which Put Reid And Pelosi In Power

 

[mikegriffith1]

A few points:

* Trump definitely does not "say what he needs to say to get elected." He has stuck by his guns on positions even when he has taken tremendous heat for them, such as his sensible proposal for a temporary ban on Muslim travel to the U.S. until we can figure out how to properly screen them and his position that he thinks adult transgenders should be able to use the bathroom of their choice. He's been blasted by the left (and by some neo-cons) for the temporary Muslim travel ban proposal, and blasted by the right for being willing to allow adult transgenders to use the bathroom of their choice (even though he's also said that the states alone should handle this issue). Yet, he has not wavered.

* How is it "just not good enough" that Trump has always been rock solid on tax cuts, deregulation, tougher border security, school choice, right-to-work laws, balancing the budget, the death penalty, and more oil drilling? Romney and McCain both had spotty records on at least one of those issues, but Trump has never, ever wavered on them. Yet, we have people who voted for both men who now adamantly insist they "can't" vote for Trump.

* With the Supreme Court hanging in the balance, with the government continuing to pile up debt with no end in sight, with the government poised to criminalize opposition to the man-made global warming hoax, and with the government ready to force schools to let teen boys who "self-identify as girls" use girls showers, now is not the time to even think about not voting for president or voting third party. The time for that was 1992 or 1996 or 2000 or 2004.

* ALL of the same neocons who now insist they just can't bring themselves to vote for Trump were among those who screamed the loudest against anyone who even talked about voting for Buchanan's third-party candidacy in 2000 or who urged Ron Paul to make a third-party run in 2008. Those neocons threw just about every label in the book at anyone who even suggested they might not vote for the GOP nominee.

* No matter how much they want to pretend otherwise, those conservatives who do not vote for Trump will be increasing Hillary's chances of winning. This is just basic math and logic. Every misguided conservative who doesn't vote for president or votes third party is reducing Trump's chances of winning and increasing Hillary's chances of winning. Like it or not, those misguided conservatives are doing all in their power to give us someone who will wreck the Supreme Court for decades, who will seek to shut down gun making in America, who has said she wants to raise taxes to the tune of a trillion dollars, who has already made it clear that she is hostile to religious freedom, who has already sided with the gay rights lobby in their obscene war on the Little Sisters of the Poor, who will do noting to roll back the tidal wave of federal regulation that is strangling small businesses, who has no interest in securing the border or ending sanctuary cities, etc., etc., etc.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

A few points:

* Trump definitely does not "say what he needs to say to get elected." He has stuck by his guns on positions even when he has taken tremendous heat for them, such as his sensible proposal for a temporary ban on Muslim travel to the U.S. until we can figure out how to properly screen them and his position that he thinks adult transgenders should be able to use the bathroom of their choice. He's been blasted by the left (and by some neo-cons) for the temporary Muslim travel ban proposal, and blasted by the right for being willing to allow adult transgenders to use the bathroom of their choice (even though he's also said that the states alone should handle this issue). Yet, he has not wavered.

* How is it "just not good enough" that Trump has always been rock solid on tax cuts, deregulation, tougher border security, school choice, right-to-work laws, balancing the budget, the death penalty, and more oil drilling? Romney and McCain both had spotty records on at least one of those issues, but Trump has never, ever wavered on them. Yet, we have people who voted for both men who now adamantly insist they "can't" vote for Trump.

* With the Supreme Court hanging in the balance, with the government continuing to pile up debt with no end in sight, with the government poised to criminalize opposition to the man-made global warming hoax, and with the government ready to force schools to let teen boys who "self-identify as girls" use girls showers, now is not the time to even think about not voting for president or voting third party. The time for that was 1992 or 1996 or 2000 or 2004.

* ALL of the same neocons who now insist they just can't bring themselves to vote for Trump were among those who screamed the loudest against anyone who even talked about voting for Buchanan's third-party candidacy in 2000 or who urged Ron Paul to make a third-party run in 2008. Those neocons threw just about every label in the book at anyone who even suggested they might not vote for the GOP nominee.

* No matter how much they want to pretend otherwise, those conservatives who do not vote for Trump will be increasing Hillary's chances of winning. This is just basic math and logic. Every misguided conservative who doesn't vote for president or votes third party is reducing Trump's chances of winning and increasing Hillary's chances of winning. Like it or not, those misguided conservatives are doing all in their power to give us someone who will wreck the Supreme Court for decades, who will seek to shut down gun making in America, who has said she wants to raise taxes to the tune of a trillion dollars, who has already made it clear that she is hostile to religious freedom, who has already sided with the gay rights lobby in their obscene war on the Little Sisters of the Poor, who will do noting to roll back the tidal wave of federal regulation that is strangling small businesses, who has no interest in securing the border or ending sanctuary cities, etc., etc., etc.

In other words, neither McCain, Romney, or conservatism has anything at all to do with your argument. You just don't want Hillary to win.

'I just don't want Hillary to win' makes a better thread topic then what you posted.