Viktor Shokin: Biden outraged we seized Burisma assets

[Coyote]

Again criminal investigations are different. The DOJ cannot wake up one morning and decide to investigate. They have to have some evidence. Even with audits there are reasons for doing it or certain activities that make it more likely that a taxpayer will be audited. Saying someone is corrupt is not enough.

they have to have probable cause and that can or cant be evidence,,

and daddy joe gave them that when he admitted to strong arming them to fire shokin,,,

That has to be evidence or suspicious behavior. Biden did not profit by it. Hunter Biden was never under investigation. The fact is that the DOJ has no basis for opening a investigation and that is with a partisan hack like Barr as AG.

How do you know Hunter Biden wasn't under investigation?

If a disreputable person like Biden- someone with connections to the cocaine and prostitution rackets- came to a jurisdiction, most local officials would keep a close eye on his sleazy ass.

The fact is that he was not. That has been confirmed by Ukrainian officials. The prosecutor who replaced Shokin has said that Hunter Biden has not broken any Ukrainian laws.

If Hunter Biden is truly innocent as you contend, he should have an opportunity to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

And that's all that President Trump has ever asked for.

concealed carry. He is guilty of anything you should have enough evidence to bring up charges. Otherwise he doesn't have to prove anything to Trump.

 

[Polishprince]

they have to have probable cause and that can or cant be evidence,,

and daddy joe gave them that when he admitted to strong arming them to fire shokin,,,

That has to be evidence or suspicious behavior. Biden did not profit by it. Hunter Biden was never under investigation. The fact is that the DOJ has no basis for opening a investigation and that is with a partisan hack like Barr as AG.

How do you know Hunter Biden wasn't under investigation?

If a disreputable person like Biden- someone with connections to the cocaine and prostitution rackets- came to a jurisdiction, most local officials would keep a close eye on his sleazy ass.

The fact is that he was not. That has been confirmed by Ukrainian officials. The prosecutor who replaced Shokin has said that Hunter Biden has not broken any Ukrainian laws.

If Hunter Biden is truly innocent as you contend, he should have an opportunity to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

And that's all that President Trump has ever asked for.

concealed carry. He is guilty of anything you should have enough evidence to bring up charges. Otherwise he doesn't have to prove anything to Trump.

Then I guess I stand corrected. The liberals are standing by the axiom that Hunter Biden is the Salt of the Earth and a tremendous individual. VP Biden should just advise what jobs this fabulously moral individual will be asked to do for the American people during his reign.

 

[Coyote]

That has to be evidence or suspicious behavior. Biden did not profit by it. Hunter Biden was never under investigation. The fact is that the DOJ has no basis for opening a investigation and that is with a partisan hack like Barr as AG.

How do you know Hunter Biden wasn't under investigation?

If a disreputable person like Biden- someone with connections to the cocaine and prostitution rackets- came to a jurisdiction, most local officials would keep a close eye on his sleazy ass.

The fact is that he was not. That has been confirmed by Ukrainian officials. The prosecutor who replaced Shokin has said that Hunter Biden has not broken any Ukrainian laws.

If Hunter Biden is truly innocent as you contend, he should have an opportunity to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

And that's all that President Trump has ever asked for.

concealed carry. He is guilty of anything you should have enough evidence to bring up charges. Otherwise he doesn't have to prove anything to Trump.

Then I guess I stand corrected. The liberals are standing by the axiom that Hunter Biden is the Salt of the Earth and a tremendous individual. VP Biden should just advise what jobs this fabulously moral individual will be asked to do for the American people during his reign.

No. As usual the cons are trying to insist that only those two extremes are possible.

Try again.

 

[iceberg]

How do you know Hunter Biden wasn't under investigation?

If a disreputable person like Biden- someone with connections to the cocaine and prostitution rackets- came to a jurisdiction, most local officials would keep a close eye on his sleazy ass.

The fact is that he was not. That has been confirmed by Ukrainian officials. The prosecutor who replaced Shokin has said that Hunter Biden has not broken any Ukrainian laws.

If Hunter Biden is truly innocent as you contend, he should have an opportunity to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

And that's all that President Trump has ever asked for.

concealed carry. He is guilty of anything you should have enough evidence to bring up charges. Otherwise he doesn't have to prove anything to Trump.

Then I guess I stand corrected. The liberals are standing by the axiom that Hunter Biden is the Salt of the Earth and a tremendous individual. VP Biden should just advise what jobs this fabulously moral individual will be asked to do for the American people during his reign.

No. As usual the cons are trying to insist that only those two extremes are possible.

Try again.

And 5he libs are trying to say their interpretation of Trump's phone call is the only one possible.

This is the bullshit of extreme times.

 

[iceberg]

they have to have probable cause and that can or cant be evidence,,

and daddy joe gave them that when he admitted to strong arming them to fire shokin,,,

That has to be evidence or suspicious behavior. Biden did not profit by it. Hunter Biden was never under investigation. The fact is that the DOJ has no basis for opening a investigation and that is with a partisan hack like Barr as AG.

How do you know Hunter Biden wasn't under investigation?

If a disreputable person like Biden- someone with connections to the cocaine and prostitution rackets- came to a jurisdiction, most local officials would keep a close eye on his sleazy ass.

The fact is that he was not. That has been confirmed by Ukrainian officials. The prosecutor who replaced Shokin has said that Hunter Biden has not broken any Ukrainian laws.

If Hunter Biden is truly innocent as you contend, he should have an opportunity to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

And that's all that President Trump has ever asked for.

concealed carry. He is guilty of anything you should have enough evidence to bring up charges. Otherwise he doesn't have to prove anything to Trump.

Yet that mindset doesn't apply to the impeachment process. They played their game and are now crying foul no one else wants to play.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It has not been proven right. The investigation was closed by Shokin before Biden went to Ukraine. That is why his resignation was demanded by the US.

So the US demanded that Shokin be fired because he was not investigating the company that was paying Hunter $83,000 a month. Well.......now that you put it that way, that certainly makes sense.

Shokin was not investigating Burisma or prosecuting corruption. That is why the Obama Administration, the world and Ukrainians wanted him out.

Do you realize how stupid that comment is? What you're saying is Joe forced them to fire Shokin because he was not investigating corruption in the company his son worked for?

I hope you're not a salesman for a living.

 

[Muhammed]

Kinda funny how Democrats all keep calling Shokin "corrupt", yet when pressed on the issue they cannot ever cite any law that they believe Shokin ever violated.

Things that make you go...............

Even Ukrainians knew he was corrupt.

When you claim that Shokin was corrupt, that necessarily implies that he violated a law.

Could you kindly please cite the law that you believe he violated and provide some sort of substantiation for your accusation? (BTW no, saying "just cuz Joe said so" is not good enough)


I've been researching this, and keep coming up with nothing.

Got a link?

 

[Muhammed]

It has not been proven right. The investigation was closed by Shokin before Biden went to Ukraine. That is why his resignation was demanded by the US.

So the US demanded that Shokin be fired because he was not investigating the company that was paying Hunter $83,000 a month. Well.......now that you put it that way, that certainly makes sense.

Shokin was not investigating Burisma or prosecuting corruption.

Could you please explain the reasoning that you used to come to that conclusion?

 

[progressive hunter]

 

[Faun]

The fact is that he was not. That has been confirmed by Ukrainian officials. The prosecutor who replaced Shokin has said that Hunter Biden has not broken any Ukrainian laws.

If Hunter Biden is truly innocent as you contend, he should have an opportunity to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

And that's all that President Trump has ever asked for.

concealed carry. He is guilty of anything you should have enough evidence to bring up charges. Otherwise he doesn't have to prove anything to Trump.

Then I guess I stand corrected. The liberals are standing by the axiom that Hunter Biden is the Salt of the Earth and a tremendous individual. VP Biden should just advise what jobs this fabulously moral individual will be asked to do for the American people during his reign.

No. As usual the cons are trying to insist that only those two extremes are possible.

Try again.

And 5he libs are trying to say their interpretation of Trump's phone call is the only one possible.

This is the bullshit of extreme times.

I've yet to hear any other plausible reason to ask Zelensky to investigate Biden. Keep in mind, Impeached Trump put out a campaign ad about Biden getting Shokin fired because his son worked for Burisma. It's clearly about Impeached Trump's campaign. It's not about fighting corruption because Hunter Biden no longer works for Burisma, Zlochevsky settled his case with Ukraine and is no longer under investigation, Shokin is no longer Ukraine's Prosecutor General, Poroshenko is no longer Ukraine's president, and Biden is no longer VP. So exactly what corruption was Impeached Trump concerned with fighting?

 

[Faun]

It has not been proven right. The investigation was closed by Shokin before Biden went to Ukraine. That is why his resignation was demanded by the US.

So the US demanded that Shokin be fired because he was not investigating the company that was paying Hunter $83,000 a month. Well.......now that you put it that way, that certainly makes sense.

Shokin was not investigating Burisma or prosecuting corruption. That is why the Obama Administration, the world and Ukrainians wanted him out.

Do you realize how stupid that comment is? What you're saying is Joe forced them to fire Shokin because he was not investigating corruption in the company his son worked for?

I hope you're not a salesman for a living.

Liar, that's not what he said. What he actually said was Biden wanted Shokin fired because Shokin was corrupt. And he was accused of corruption by many others besides Biden.

 

[Faun]

Kinda funny how Democrats all keep calling Shokin "corrupt", yet when pressed on the issue they cannot ever cite any law that they believe Shokin ever violated.

Things that make you go...............

Even Ukrainians knew he was corrupt.

When you claim that Shokin was corrupt, that necessarily implies that he violated a law.

Could you kindly please cite the law that you believe he violated and provide some sort of substantiation for your accusation? (BTW no, saying "just cuz Joe said so" is not good enough)


I've been researching this, and keep coming up with nothing.

Got a link?

Shokin wouldn't prosecute oligarchs. At one point, Britain seized $23.5 million of Zlochevsky's assets as they investigated him for money laundering. Shokin, deputy Prosecutor General at the time was assigned to work with them. He ultimately refused to cooperate to the point that a British court ruled to release Zlochevsky's frozen assets. Then while Shokin was the Prosecutor General, two members from of his office were caught with caches of diamonds, suspected to be from accepting bribes in exchange for not going after oligarchs. Shokin was never charged but he was a long time associated with Ukraine's president at the time; which is why Poroshenko wouldn't force him out until Biden finally pressed the issue with tha billion dollar aid package.

 

[Polishprince]

Kinda funny how Democrats all keep calling Shokin "corrupt", yet when pressed on the issue they cannot ever cite any law that they believe Shokin ever violated.

Things that make you go...............

Even Ukrainians knew he was corrupt.

When you claim that Shokin was corrupt, that necessarily implies that he violated a law.

Could you kindly please cite the law that you believe he violated and provide some sort of substantiation for your accusation? (BTW no, saying "just cuz Joe said so" is not good enough)


I've been researching this, and keep coming up with nothing.

Got a link?

Shokin wouldn't prosecute oligarchs. At one point, Britain seized $23.5 million of Zlochevsky's assets as they investigated him for money laundering. Shokin, deputy Prosecutor General at the time was assigned to work with them. He ultimately refused to cooperate to the point that a British court ruled to release Zlochevsky's frozen assets. Then while Shokin was the Prosecutor General, two members from of his office were caught with caches of diamonds, suspected to be from accepting bribes in exchange for not going after oligarchs. Shokin was never charged but he was a long time associated with Ukraine's president at the time; which is why Poroshenko wouldn't force him out until Biden finally pressed the issue with tha billion dollar aid package.

So VIce President Biden had a problem with Due Process and the Rule of Law?

People aren't thrown out of the streets without a fair trial and being given every benefit of the doubt, at least in the law abiding civilized world. And in spite of all of the calumnies hurled at Vik Shokin, he is just out of work and hasn't been criminally charged.

 

[Norman]

So does anyone at this point disagree that Biden should be investigated?

 

[Polishprince]

So does anyone at this point disagree that Biden should be investigated?

The libs do. Sleepy Joe is their best candidate to keep it respectable next fall, and the libs think that a formal investigation of the Bite Me Family would make it hard for them to keep their defeat within reason in 2020.

But they are wrong. Liberal voters really could give a shit if the Bidens are corrupt, in fact they hope they are. Biden loses almost zero support on the basis of his corruption.

 

[Faun]

Kinda funny how Democrats all keep calling Shokin "corrupt", yet when pressed on the issue they cannot ever cite any law that they believe Shokin ever violated.

Things that make you go...............

Even Ukrainians knew he was corrupt.

When you claim that Shokin was corrupt, that necessarily implies that he violated a law.

Could you kindly please cite the law that you believe he violated and provide some sort of substantiation for your accusation? (BTW no, saying "just cuz Joe said so" is not good enough)


I've been researching this, and keep coming up with nothing.

Got a link?

Shokin wouldn't prosecute oligarchs. At one point, Britain seized $23.5 million of Zlochevsky's assets as they investigated him for money laundering. Shokin, deputy Prosecutor General at the time was assigned to work with them. He ultimately refused to cooperate to the point that a British court ruled to release Zlochevsky's frozen assets. Then while Shokin was the Prosecutor General, two members from of his office were caught with caches of diamonds, suspected to be from accepting bribes in exchange for not going after oligarchs. Shokin was never charged but he was a long time associated with Ukraine's president at the time; which is why Poroshenko wouldn't force him out until Biden finally pressed the issue with tha billion dollar aid package.

So VIce President Biden had a problem with Due Process and the Rule of Law?

People aren't thrown out of the streets without a fair trial and being given every benefit of the doubt, at least in the law abiding civilized world. And in spite of all of the calumnies hurled at Vik Shokin, he is just out of work and hasn't been criminally charged.

Zlochevsky was being legally and duly investigated by Britain. Shokin refused to cooperate. This had nothing to do with a trial until nearly a year later and the courts got involved to shut the investigation down due to lack of evidence. Evidence Shokin wouldn't share.

 

[Norman]

So does anyone at this point disagree that Biden should be investigated?

The libs do. Sleepy Joe is their best candidate to keep it respectable next fall, and the libs think that a formal investigation of the Bite Me Family would make it hard for them to keep their defeat within reason in 2020.

But they are wrong. Liberal voters really could give a shit if the Bidens are corrupt, in fact they hope they are. Biden loses almost zero support on the basis of his corruption.

They have been screaming three years about how Trump needs to be investigated. Give them an investigation. Let's see if they dish as well as they serve.

 

[Faun]

concealed carry. He is guilty of anything you should have enough evidence to bring up charges. Otherwise he doesn't have to prove anything to Trump.

Past corruption, you fucking idiot.


Then I guess I stand corrected. The liberals are standing by the axiom that Hunter Biden is the Salt of the Earth and a tremendous individual. VP Biden should just advise what jobs this fabulously moral individual will be asked to do for the American people during his reign.

No. As usual the cons are trying to insist that only those two extremes are possible.

Try again.

And 5he libs are trying to say their interpretation of Trump's phone call is the only one possible.

This is the bullshit of extreme times.

I've yet to hear any other plausible reason to ask Zelensky to investigate Biden. Keep in mind, Impeached Trump put out a campaign ad about Biden getting Shokin fired because his son worked for Burisma. It's clearly about Impeached Trump's campaign. It's not about fighting corruption because Hunter Biden no longer works for Burisma, Zlochevsky settled his case with Ukraine and is no longer under investigation, Shokin is no longer Ukraine's Prosecutor General, Poroshenko is no longer Ukraine's president, and Biden is no longer VP. So exactly what corruption was Impeached Trump concerned with fighting?

Try using words next time.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So does anyone at this point disagree that Biden should be investigated?

The libs do. Sleepy Joe is their best candidate to keep it respectable next fall, and the libs think that a formal investigation of the Bite Me Family would make it hard for them to keep their defeat within reason in 2020.

But they are wrong. Liberal voters really could give a shit if the Bidens are corrupt, in fact they hope they are. Biden loses almost zero support on the basis of his corruption.

They have been screaming three years about how Trump needs to be investigated. Give them an investigation. Let's see if they dish as well as they serve.

 

[Muhammed]

Kinda funny how Democrats all keep calling Shokin "corrupt", yet when pressed on the issue they cannot ever cite any law that they believe Shokin ever violated.

Things that make you go...............

Even Ukrainians knew he was corrupt.

When you claim that Shokin was corrupt, that necessarily implies that he violated a law.

Could you kindly please cite the law that you believe he violated and provide some sort of substantiation for your accusation? (BTW no, saying "just cuz Joe said so" is not good enough)


I've been researching this, and keep coming up with nothing.

Got a link?

Shokin wouldn't prosecute oligarchs. At one point, Britain seized $23.5 million of Zlochevsky's assets as they investigated him for money laundering. Shokin, deputy Prosecutor General at the time was assigned to work with them. He ultimately refused to cooperate to the point that a British court ruled to release Zlochevsky's frozen assets. Then while Shokin was the Prosecutor General, two members from of his office were caught with caches of diamonds, suspected to be from accepting bribes in exchange for not going after oligarchs. Shokin was never charged but he was a long time associated with Ukraine's president at the time; which is why Poroshenko wouldn't force him out until Biden finally pressed the issue with tha billion dollar aid package.

Who told you that story, and why were you gullible enough to believe them without a hint of skepticism?