Victims' Families Want To Air New 9/11 Truth Ad

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    Spread the word and research what the real issues are with the NIST investigation and the problems the families of the victims of 9-11 and many others have with the explanation that was told to the country.
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    Hi Mr. Jones:

    The entire US Federal, State and Local Govts are corrupt to the core and nobody cares. We have an illegal alien in the White House for God sakes who like Bush and Clinton and Bush let illegal aliens run around everywhere doing whatever they please. The fake 911Movement is running in place and nobody is ever brought to 911Justice and that is never going to change in this pathetic and corrupt nation of liars, murderers and thieves. America is simply not America anymore and the sheeple need to get accustomed to living in a third-world country where police state brutality is commonplace and the average subject can barely afford to pay for food.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6K3Up3bEGQ]Christopher Sees Chaos Coming Too[/ame]

    The time to get 9/11 right has already gone and the entire system is ready to collapse under the weight of DEBT and lawlessness.
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    How many people died in the collapse of WTC7?
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    Question for you Mr. Jones. On that site you are promoting, there is a quote from Chandler towards the bottom. Here is that quote:

    Now, take a look at this part of his quote that I will hilite for you so you can see it.
    Now I ask you. Every video I have seen shows the east penthouse collapsing into the building which means the support columns failed. Then it proceeded to the west. Then the facade fell.

    Can you please explain to me how Chandler can make a quote such as that when CLEARLY all 24 columns and all 58 perimeter columns did not, REPEAT DID NOT, fail at the same time as he claims should have happened?

    This is great stuff. He actually debunks himself.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
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    Here's another quote from Chandler. One that makes you and evryone else looklike idiots, INCLUDING eots.

    Hmmm.

    Totally missed the .8 seconds of non free fall didn't he. Yeah. That's instantly.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
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    No answers Mr. Jones?

    Don't want to talk about how your man Chandler screwed up?

    Didn't think so.

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    No Explosives Gravity Collapse​


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwFHEoiUZ7o"]Many No Explosive Collapses[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIsE8CkZI6U&feature=related"]Progressive Collapse Proven[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYnVWQhAeH4"]Progressive Collapse Intiated on 3 Buildings [/ame]
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    How exactly do you suppose these support columns failed in a building with low temp and sporadic fires?
    And how do you explain the fact that IF even one of these low temp hydrocarbon fires, magically did cause the "thermal expansion", that the part of the building that was not on fire, therefore NOT weakened, didn't resist coming down... and instead came down at the same time as the weakened or "expanded"part?? Did it just want to cooperate and go along with the plan, and forgo laws of physics..namely resistance?
    You're a joke :lol:



    No moron..then the whole 47 story building came down in uniformity. What are you fucking blind,stupid or both?

    How do you know they did not? Oh wait....8 tenths of a second :lol::lol:
    Have you tried using a stopwatch and stopping at .8 secs.? Insignificant retarded dribble..:lol:
    No this is great stuff..you make yourself look like an ignorant blind idiot.
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    Sure...He screwed up so bad that he all by himself made NIST look like stupid liars when his calculations made them admit freefall..for 2.25 seconds! You are a damned fool! :lol:
    Oh but wait .8 tenths of a second!! LOL..:lol:
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    less than 1` sec lol...ya that explains everything I guess that means any controlled demolition with a point of a sec delay is actually a fire induced collapse
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    That seems to be what this fuck ball is implying..
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    Ahhhh, truthtard losers being suckered out of their money by a bunch of liars who milk them for all they are worth. :lol: Couldn't happen to a nicer group of fucked up liars. Think a commercial changes the truth? Nope. Just like Mr. Jones' videos with "clear explosions" of non-explosives going off proves the non-explosives. :lol: Truthtard paranoia and delusions are getting worse I see.
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptw3pODh2Ig&NR=1"]Building Falls[/ame]
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    Alright smartass perhaps you can share you knowledge by explaining away these facts about NIST's report? Why did NIST leave these important facts out?

    No mention of eye witness accounts of personnel that were inside the structure reporting both hearing and feeling the effects of explosions, including a very credible witness, Mr. Barry Jennings, (along with Mr. Hess), who were trapped inside. (However NCSTAR 1A Section 3.4.1, Page 24 - third line and in other areas of the study, NIST does allow eyewitness accounts and personal interviews for other evidence; but not for the numerous accounts of blasts by eyewitnesses.)

    No discussion of eyewitness, Michael Hess, NYC Corporation Council (actually INSIDE the building) stating: “Another gentleman and I walked down to the 8th floor, where there was an explosion, and we’ve been trapped with all smoke around us for an hour and a half.”

    No mention of all the explosions reported that day by the firefighters and contained in the City of N.Y. Oral Histories.

    No mention of the many many explosions reported by news anchors at the scene that day. Recommend NIST reviews the following video on “youtube”:


    Why weren't reports from emergency workers-addressed including- “We were watching the building actually ‘cause is was on fire’ . . . and . . . we heard this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder . . . turned around – we were shocked to see that the building was ah well it looked like there was a shockwave ripping through the building and the windows all busted out . . . about a second later the bottom floor caved out and the building followed after that.”

    And from Peter DeMarco, a New York Daily News Reporter- “At 5:30 p.m. there was a rumble. The buildings top row of windows popped out. Then all the windows on the thirty ninth floor popped out. Then the thirty eighth floor. Pop! Pop! Pop! was all you heard until the building sunk into a rising cloud of grey.”

    No mention of the eutectic steel found on the site, FEMA reported: “The severe corrosion of and subsequent erosion of (steel) samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. A detailed study of the mechanism of this phenomenon is needed.” And the “deep mystery” of sulfur found on the steel quoted from WPI –Transformations Spring 2002: “The New York Times called these findings "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation." The significance of the work on a sample from Building 7 and a structural column from one of the twin towers becomes apparent only when one sees these heavy chunks of damaged metal. A one-inch column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its edges--which are curled like a paper scroll--have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes--some larger than a silver dollar--let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending--but not holes. A eutectic compound is a mixture of two or more substances that melts at the lowest temperature of any mixture of its components. Blacksmiths took advantage of this property by welding over fires of sulfur-rich charcoal, which lowers the melting point of iron. In the World Trade Center fire, the presence of oxygen, sulfur and heat caused iron oxide and iron sulfide to form at the surface of structural steel members. This liquid slag corroded through intergranular channels into the body of the metal, causing severe erosion and a loss of structural integrity.”



    An office fire will not cause a eutectic state for the steel found by FEMA. Sulfur, from a thermite reaction, could very well cause this eutectic state.

    The peer reviewed air quality analysis that found at that the air in the area indicated the use of explosives, found at this site:
    http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/fulltext.pdf

    The dust samples with molten spheroids indicating the use of explosives-
    9-11 Research: Aluminothermic Residues

    The symmetrical collapse pattern of WTC 7 indicating the use of explosives, and the fact that is very difficult to make a building fall in such a way even using explosives, but has never fallen in such a way by gravity or fire induced forces alone-
    FEMA WTC Performance Study reports-- “Demolishing the building so that it collapses straight down into its own footprint requires such a skill that only a handful of demolition companies will attempt it.”
    So, If it’s that difficult to create a perfectly symmetrical collapse with pre-planted charges, then its virtually impossible to make a structure fall this way due to an office fire and gravity alone, especially one that was partially weakened on its south west face due to impacts.

    They don't mention that the straight down, fall of the roof line, indicating simultaneous disconnection of all 58 perimeter columns at virtually the same time. The NIST buckling simulation on one side would make the roof line tip, yet the roof fell parallel to the horizon.

    The analysis by Dutch demolition expert Danny Jowenko, indicates that it was clearly a controlled demolition.

    The small debris field that did little damage to the adjacent structures, indicative of a controlled demolition.

    No one has even explained the many reports of red hot or molten steel in the debris, that simply cannot be made molten by an office fire.

    No mention of FEMA Report 403, Appendix C that recommends further study of evidence of liquid steel that could be related to the cause of the collapse and should be studied further.

    No mention of the “count down” by officials heard over the radio of the demolition reported by eye witnesses.

    No mention as to why Mayor Giuliani decided not to use his state-of-the-art reinforced command center that day inside WTC 7 specifically designed for such an event.

    No mention of how Captain Michael Currid, President of the Uniformed Fire Officers Association, knew ahead of time that the building was coming down.
    “Someone from the city’s Office of Emergency Management told him that WTC 7 was basically a lost cause and we should not loose anyone else trying to save it.” And Firefighter Vincent Massa said: “We hung out for hours waiting for 7 to come down.”

    No mention of how the Mayor knew of impending building collapses when he said--
    “I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.”

    No mention of the BBC footage with Jane Stanley, a BBC Reporter, “live on the scene” at around 5:00 p.m. announcing the collapse of the Solomon Brothers Building over 20 minutes before it actually collapsed. CNN had foreknowledge of the imminent collapse too,
    “We are getting information now that one of other buildings, building 7, in the world trade center complex is on fire and has either collapsed or is collapsing. I. You to be honest can see these pictures just a little bit more clearly than I, but Building number 7 one of the other buildings in this very large complex of buildings that is the Trade Center . . . there were -- there were -- and that is the right way to put it -- there were the two towers, but then there are a number of support buildings around it -- retail spaces, restaurants, office space, garages, the trains come in from New Jersey bringing commuters taking commuters back, come into the complex that is the World Trade Center, and now we are told there is a fire there and that building may collapse as well, as you can see.”

    If no steel structure has ever collapsed due to fire and the fires inside WTC 7 were really not that extensive or hot, and firemen routinely enter and put out fires such as those in WTC 7, then how did “they” know that the building/s would come down? On the other hand, if someone knew that the building was rigged with explosives, it would explain all known evidence very easily.

    All of this is clear proof that NIST has participated in a cover up, intentionally overlooked, or intentionally ignored. A CD explains the collapses better then the BS NIST has come up with.
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    How do I know? Because the damn penthouse collapsed FIRST you fucking idiot. What the hell do you think was supporting the penthouse? Toothpicks? The columns below the penthouse clearly failed for it to collapse into the building BEFORE the perimeter facade came down. That means that the interior columns DID not fail/get removed at the same time as the facade columns. Chandler is an idiot.

    Jesus H. Christ are you a moron. The lengths you go to to TRY and look intelligent on this subject is just beyond words.
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    so you are saying the building consisted of only columns supporting the penthouse and all others were "facaded columns"
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    No.

    There were 24 columns in the center of the building and 58 perimeter columns (facade) as shown here.
    [​IMG]

    If column 79 failed, what happened to the loads that column 79 supported in that area? How many trusses and girders do you see attached to column 79 in the above diagram. Now multiply that by how many floors. Where did all that weight go when column 79 failed?
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    The sulfur at WTC came from the rooms full of UPS batteries. Each of these UPS batteries weigh about 200 lbs. They are 6.6 times larger than a car battery. There were over 240 of these per UPS system times 6.6 equals 1,584 car batteries. Now that is a hell of a lot of destructive force. Each of these batteries are full of highly corrosive sulfuric acid that will erode steel beams. These batteries must be vented because they give off hydrogen & oxygen which are rocket fuel & highly explosive. Lots of people have had car batteries explode due to these gasses building up in the battery. Each of these battery explosions would be seven times more powerful. Packed tightly in racks many would go off at the same time. When heated or smashed they are more volatile.

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    Thermal expansion of floor beams breaking its beam seat connection and then causing a global collapse has never happened before, and very highly unlikely. Structural engineers do not design connections for lateral forces from thermal expansion because it is so rare. No structure before or after 9/11 has ever globally failed due to “thermal expansion” and it’s very doubtful if it was the cause of the collapse of WTC 7.
    Thermal expansion for a 53 foot beam with a delta “T” of 654 F (752 – body temp) is less then 2.7 inches.
    If column 79 did distort due to the thermal expansion, we go back to what caused it, there is no solid proof that the fires were hot enough to cause this "house of card from the inside" collapse.
    They are asking you to believe something that never ever happened before, all due to one column? Do you even take into account the safety factor that building was designed with, considering the multi million dollar security center upgrades?
    You are more of a fool to believe such outrageous claims, the cartoonish computer model that looks nothing like the real collapse included.
    People like you don't fathom the enormity and strength of the components used in these buildings, nor the fact that the damage was mostly localized, therefore the building should not have come down in a straight manner.
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
    COMMAND CENTER

    [​IMG]
    WTC 7 SQUIBS



    All those attached beams and columns, and no sign of resistance-"There were 24 columns in the center of the building and 58 perimeter columns"-the outer facade-yet no sign of perimeter distortion, despite the columns being connected to them?

    But you'll continue to say it didn't fall straight down and babble on about the penthouse, while failing to realize that the penthouse was attached to the roof, and we did NOT see the roofline distort to one side or the other, as the localized damage would have done, as the rigid part of the rest of the building would resist coming down.

    When you add all the strange anomalies of that day, it's bad enough and highly suspicious, then throw in the absurdity of the 3 buildings coming down with all the characteristics of CD..well, it is simply too outrageous to believe.
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    And yet you ask everyone to just believe you, even though you have no evidence your bullshit is true and a building being rigged for CD in secret has never happened before. :lol: You fucking hypocritical loser! The irony is that you are so ignorant that you can't even see your own hypocricy!

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