Users supporting H.R.1868 (473)

[Immanuel]

I'm far from being racist. Not all Californians are idiots or unAmerican. But I do think many of California's problems could be alleviated if it's citizens would rethink a good number of all it's "I wants," "I deserve free ..." None of us can have it all. I find it absolutely unconscionable that a group of Californians can shut down water resources to an entire valley that provides a huge amount of food to everyone, destroys livelihoods of thousands of farmers who have owned and worked that land for generations, consequently destroying a part of the economy as a whole, because a few assholes want to save some damned minnows. Everything in life cannot be free because it's a "right." Nothing is free - there's always an underlying cost. When every citizen and every service and every entity has been taxed right down to the lint in their pockets ... everyone will eventually be broke. Period. When there's no money left to be taxed, no commerce, no nothing left ... how the hell do you continue financing all this stuff? You can't. That's what socialism will get you - it eventually breaks your purse, your back and your willpower.

I hope you didn't get the impression I was calling you a racist!

Far from it... I was only defending my native land.

Immie

 

[Full-Auto]

This bill is sponsored by a Republican. It has 86 cosponsors, all but one are Republicans.

Does anyone need another reason to oppose it?

Quit thinking rep. or dem. and start thinking about our country, or were gonna be without one.

I am.

Republicans are Evil.

If you love your country, hate Republicans

LOL As a strong anti democrat that is watching democrats accept bribes for votes, I find you little rant cute. I will try not bring up the illegal actions of the holder justice dept that has dropped indictments. let cronies walk and that tells african americans they are not smart enough to vote for non affliiatted positions.

I strongly oppose this bill. It is one of the great things about America.

 

[uscitizen]

What about anchor wenches?

 

[Full-Auto]

Good question.

I have mixed feelings. Part of the conflict revolves around the situation that has been going on for decades, and suddenly its a problem.

 

[uscitizen]

Should US citizens be allowed to marry illegals?

 

[Full-Auto]

you should be able to marry whom you choose. I fail to see the government having any say.
Though they butt in where they can.

 

[Claudette]

Not granting citizenship to a baby is not "punishing" it.

We have a serious problem with illegal immigration. It costs us billions of dollars that are best spent elsewhere. Eliminating anchor babies is an easy step to take.

Absolutely. These anchor babies allow mom to draw welfare, stay in the country and suck off our social services for all she's worth. Good bill and I will call my Congressman on it.

 

[uscitizen]

you should be able to marry whom you choose. I fail to see the government having any say.
Though they butt in where they can.

So you should be able to marry one of the same sex as well?

I agree govt should be out of the marriage business. No tax deductions for marriage, etc.

 

[Claudette]

Good question.

I have mixed feelings. Part of the conflict revolves around the situation that has been going on for decades, and suddenly its a problem.

Its always been a problem for any State that has to support it. You just never heard anything about it.

Why the hell should some illegal woman come here, drop a baby and then reap the benefits?? Very costly benefits. Hell, I've heard of Mexican women in Los Angeles that have an apartment there, payed for by Welfare and they go back and forth to Mexico. Cushy deal if you can get it.

I was watching a special on TV about just this and one of the women profiled was the wife of a wealthy Doctor in Mexico. When it was time for her to deliver her baby, he dropped her off in front of the hospital in Los Angeles and went back to Mexico. The kid was born here and is a US citizen. He comes to the US for schooling at our expense. The parents have never payed one dime for her hospital stay or thier sons education. Sounds like a deal to me. If one of the parents had to be a US citizen, none of this COULD happen.

 

[uscitizen]

If one of the parents had to be a US citizen, none of this COULD happen.
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HUH? So uscitizens do not get medicaid, Chips and welfare?

 

[Full-Auto]

My position is very straight forward. Why not? Now as a matter of politics, no way. I take the position, it must be give and take and those that want gay marraige do not support equal rights of taxpayers. I will come around when they do.

I am not religous and would support people having two wives, three So what would I care if two gays want to live together. Government has no bussiness in the state of marraige.

 

[Navy1960]

If you are born here you are a citizen, do we now propose to tell members who are serving in the US Military that they cannot return to the very nation they are defending because their parents came here illegally? How about actaully enforcing the laws as they are, entering the United States is a crime, , it is not a matter of "civil rights" or "profiling" or any of those things, it is a crime. As such treat it like one, arrest those who commit it, then punish them for doing so , by returning them to the nation in which they came from. If they happen to have children under the age of 18 that are US citizens then of course that kids can come back to this nation anytime they wish as they are citizens. From that point forward, enforce the law. I for one would never tell a young man or woman serving in the Military that the nation they are putting their lives on the line for does not accept them. The problem with illegal immigration is that you have too many people who want to look the other way and let the crime of entering into this nation unlawfully , which by the way is a REAL Federal crime, because it serves some cause. If we really wanted to do something for those wishing to enter this nation, then we would enforce the laws, and fix the process of becomming a citizen.

 

[Full-Auto]

Deduction? I must laugh, the penalty remains and is being expanded in the health bill.

If you need a link please ask.

 

[Claudette]

If one of the parents had to be a US citizen, none of this COULD happen.
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HUH? So uscitizens do not get medicaid, Chips and welfare?

No. It means that if you were an illegal, not married to a US Citizen and had a baby here the baby would not be a US citizen and neither the baby or its mother would be entitrled to any of this countries social services.

 

[uscitizen]

If one of the parents had to be a US citizen, none of this COULD happen.
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HUH? So uscitizens do not get medicaid, Chips and welfare?

No. It means that if you were an illegal, not married to a US Citizen and had a baby here the baby would not be a US citizen and neither the baby or its mother would be entitrled to any of this countries social services.

so we do not currently give medical care to illegals in the USA?

 

[Immanuel]

If you are born here you are a citizen, do we now propose to tell members who are serving in the US Military that they cannot return to the very nation they are defending because their parents came here illegally? How about actaully enforcing the laws as they are, entering the United States is a crime, , it is not a matter of "civil rights" or "profiling" or any of those things, it is a crime. As such treat it like one, arrest those who commit it, then punish them for doing so , by returning them to the nation in which they came from. If they happen to have children under the age of 18 that are US citizens then of course that kids can come back to this nation anytime they wish as they are citizens. From that point forward, enforce the law. I for one would never tell a young man or woman serving in the Military that the nation they are putting their lives on the line for does not accept them. The problem with illegal immigration is that you have too many people who want to look the other way and let the crime of entering into this nation unlawfully , which by the way is a REAL Federal crime, because it serves some cause. If we really wanted to do something for those wishing to enter this nation, then we would enforce the laws, and fix the process of becomming a citizen.

Who said anything about members of the military? Did I miss something?

This is about people coming to the states illegally, giving birth and then claiming the right to stay since their child is a U.S. Citizen. It seems to me that is something that should be changed although I am not so sure that it would not have to be done with a Constitutional Amendment.

Immie

 

[Navy1960]

Amendment XIV, Section 1, Clause 1:

“ All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.


Immie,

I mentioned the Military to point out that a bill such as the one mentioned is not just as cut and dry as people think it is. As to your other question, in order to change the above you would need to Amend it. While I appreciate the goals of the bill and for the most part in principle agree with them, it's my contention that the laws we have if simply enforced would make a lot of bills such as the proposed one not needed.

 

[Immanuel]

Amendment XIV, Section 1, Clause 1:

“ All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.


Immie,

I mentioned the Military to point out that a bill such as the one mentioned is not just as cut and dry as people think it is. As to your other question, in order to change the above you would need to Amend it. While I appreciate the goals of the bill and for the most part in principle agree with them, it's my contention that the laws we have if simply enforced would make a lot of bills such as the proposed one not needed.

I agree about enforcement of the laws.

In this case the Constitution clearly states anyone born in the U.S. is a U.S. Citizen.

Therefore, if we believe that children of illegal aliens should not be given citizenship, then we need to change the law in the appropriate manner. IMHO

Immie

 

[froggy]

I agree about enforcement of the laws.

In this case the Constitution clearly states anyone born in the U.S. is a U.S. Citizen.

Therefore, if we believe that children of illegal aliens should not be given citizenship, then we need to change the law in the appropriate manner. IMHO

Immie

iTS TIME TO CHANGE THAT

 

[jillian]

I agree about enforcement of the laws.

In this case the Constitution clearly states anyone born in the U.S. is a U.S. Citizen.

Therefore, if we believe that children of illegal aliens should not be given citizenship, then we need to change the law in the appropriate manner. IMHO

Immie

iTS TIME TO CHANGE THAT

Because we've seen through history what a good idea it is to have citizenship be based on blood.

what percentage of jewish blood made someone a jew in nazi germany? more than 1/8?

yeah...that works real well.