US Representative Ron Wright dies following COVID-19 diagnosis at 67

What a terrifying pandemic.
100,000 Americans have died of Covid since the beginning of 2021, jackass.


No, they didn't. That's bullshit.
No, itā€™s true shit

January's death toll has already surpassed the previous record number of fatalities set in December, when over 77,400 people in the U.S. died of Covid-19, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The pandemic has taken more than 79,200 lives so far this month, according to the data.​
You get that we're well into February Seabitch, and the Synthia is a liar.
No shit. If it was almost 80,000 just for January and we are losing 3,000-4,000 a day...can you do the math aptly named one?

those numbers are not real

If you don't have pneumonia you cannot die of covid

and just because you tested positive for covid with pneumonia doesn't mean the covid caused the pneumonia. How likely that is varies on the cycles used on the PCR test.

For most of history a doctor would have said cold/pneumonia or viral pneumonia because it's more hassle than it's worth finding out exactly what virus you've got.
You fucking COVID truthers are nuts and I donā€™t understand your motivation.

Covid truther? lol. Maybe you should remember your education. I can read a data set as well as standardized tests can measure.

PCR tests are not what you think they are, you should know this by now. Massive false positive rate. Well over 50% at 35 cycles which was very common in the US. Although how common is unclear because labs don't report this data

It's been a year pleb

Maybe stop with teh appeals to authority use your head. I've spend the year slapping around phds, you pleb have no idea what you're talking about. Even my ivy league kin. You are clearly not ivy league material.
Please, the only thing you spent a year slapping around is your dick, COVID truther.

Uh huh says the pleb

i'm half south asian. I don't think i need to say anymore about my STEM credentials

statistically the likelyhood of you being on my level academically is almost non existant.

otehr than math people don't come smarter than me

remember your place whitey. Clearly not on top fo the heap
The likelihood of someone lying about their intelligence level on an anonymous board ...100%.

Itā€™s beyond obvious that you are lying.

You think im lying about my ethnicity?

not gonna meet many indians in the states who feel the need to do that
I donā€™t know or care. I do know youā€™re lying about your intelligence level.

ok sure pleb

get out more you fucking shut in. maybe the cognitive dissonance will set in

i assure you if we spoke in person you would not be questioning me you little autist.

You have no idea where to begin trying to defend your bullshit. Next time some one treats like you like shit don't wonder why. You're a vapid little faggot
Yeah, I think I would probably still be questioning your intelligence if we met in person. For sure on the internet youā€™re making shit up.

(Let me clue you in on a little secret, a big tell is the quantity of ad hominems.)


I don't know. He discussed details of the tests that you did not address.
Positive test rates have nothing to do with death rates. People are dying of COVID whether they test positive or not. Nobody is inflating death totals. You COVID truthers are twisted.


What percentage of the death totals, are primarily from covid with co-morbidities as contributing factors, and what percentage are primarily from the co-morbidities with convid as a contributing factor?
The people that have COVID listed on their death certificates died of COVID...like the congressman from Texas. Yes, he had cancer but COVID, not cancer, killed him. If you have cancer and get decapitated in an auto accident, they donā€™t say you died from cancer. Fucking sick ass COVID truthers...
No. Wrong. If you have comorbidities, and cancer is a very big comorbidity, your death is almost certainly a combination of causes. Not just Covid. The fact that the establishment is claiming all these deaths are solely from Covid, should make you suspicious.

Why? Where is the motivation? What would doctors have to gain by inflating COVID deaths? The congressman from Texas was not dying...until he got COVID. Herman Cain was not dying until he got COVID. COVID killed them, not their cancer.
You are terribly uninformed. Hospitals are receiving government funds for every Covid death. If you are unaware of this, you must admit you are uninformed. Get informed before posting.

In addition, do you not think big pharma is making out HUGE from this pandemic? They have a vested interest in promoting Covid deaths, and they control the political class and the MSM with they enormous wealth.
No they aren't. That LIE was debunked ages ago.


Fucking COVID truthers are stupid and dangerous.


Your source does not say that there is not additional payment for covid cases.

"A: Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but "


"Numerous readers have asked us about such claims, some of which imply that hospitals are making money by simply listing patients as having the disease ā€” when in fact the payments referenced are for treating patients."


Wow. Based on the distinction between "listing" and "treating" they are judging that accusation as NOT TRUE?


Hilarious.
Yes, treating the patient costs money and Medicare is reimbursing for those costs.
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses.​
Medicare ā€” the federal health insurance program for Americans 65 and older, a central at-risk population when it comes to COVID-19 ā€” pays hospitals in part using fixed rates at discharge based off a grouping system known as diagnosis-related groups.​
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has classified COVID-19 cases with existing groups for respiratory infections and inflammations. A CMS spokesperson told us exact payments vary, depending on a patientā€™s principal diagnosis and severity, as well as treatments and procedures. There are also geographic variations.​
An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the ā€œaverage Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 ā€¦ was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.ā€​


Your position was that there was no motive to inflate convid cases, and then you denied that more money was given for covid cases, and now that you have been forced to admit that there is more money,

now you are arguing that the money is justified.


My point that there is money as a motive to inflate the numbers has been proven, and even admitted by you.
There is no motivation. Flat rate reimbursement for treatment is hardly motivation. Just like the accusations of "cheating" in the election, you all make these ridiculous claims with ZERO evidence to support them.


Your link to the fact checker, made the claim that the claim of the hospitals getting more money for covid cases was NOT true, based on semantics.


Your fact checker and you, not long ago, were denying that the increased payments existed.
And you still have ZERO proof that deaths are being reported just to get more money. Even the douche bag that originally made the claim walked it back. You Trumpsters have no shame.


Data collected that includes, in reverse order this time, a financial incentive for inflating the numbers, with counted as from, and guesses,


is garbage data.


Yes, I refuse to waste my time digging though the shit to find a link for you, that you will ignore, the way you are ignoring that the money point has been validated.

Being reimbursed for services rendered is not "financial incentive", it is reimbursement for treatment, that's it. Nobody is making money off COVID deaths. This is just more of your COVID truther bullshit with no evidence to support your claim.


Being reimbursed more for a covid service, than a non-covid service is a financial incentive to report services as covid services.

Obviously.


That is why you first denied that it was happening.


That is why your fact checker site, played word games to be able to call it "not true".
They called the claim not true because the claim was not true. Hospitals are not financially benefiting from COVID.


They played a game with words, making a distinction between being paid for "listing" covid" and being paid for "treating" covid.

Being paid money, is benefitting.


You are painting yourself into a smaller and smaller corner.
Being reimbursed for services rendered is not benefiting. Hospitals are not benefiting from Covid deaths. Stop lying.


Being given money is benefitting.


You have gone full partisan hack here.
You have gone full idiot here. If I perform a service and I get money for that service that is reimbursement not benefiting.
 
What a terrifying pandemic.
100,000 Americans have died of Covid since the beginning of 2021, jackass.


No, they didn't. That's bullshit.
No, itā€™s true shit

January's death toll has already surpassed the previous record number of fatalities set in December, when over 77,400 people in the U.S. died of Covid-19, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The pandemic has taken more than 79,200 lives so far this month, according to the data.​
You get that we're well into February Seabitch, and the Synthia is a liar.
No shit. If it was almost 80,000 just for January and we are losing 3,000-4,000 a day...can you do the math aptly named one?

those numbers are not real

If you don't have pneumonia you cannot die of covid

and just because you tested positive for covid with pneumonia doesn't mean the covid caused the pneumonia. How likely that is varies on the cycles used on the PCR test.

For most of history a doctor would have said cold/pneumonia or viral pneumonia because it's more hassle than it's worth finding out exactly what virus you've got.
You fucking COVID truthers are nuts and I donā€™t understand your motivation.

Covid truther? lol. Maybe you should remember your education. I can read a data set as well as standardized tests can measure.

PCR tests are not what you think they are, you should know this by now. Massive false positive rate. Well over 50% at 35 cycles which was very common in the US. Although how common is unclear because labs don't report this data

It's been a year pleb

Maybe stop with teh appeals to authority use your head. I've spend the year slapping around phds, you pleb have no idea what you're talking about. Even my ivy league kin. You are clearly not ivy league material.
Please, the only thing you spent a year slapping around is your dick, COVID truther.

Uh huh says the pleb

i'm half south asian. I don't think i need to say anymore about my STEM credentials

statistically the likelyhood of you being on my level academically is almost non existant.

otehr than math people don't come smarter than me

remember your place whitey. Clearly not on top fo the heap
The likelihood of someone lying about their intelligence level on an anonymous board ...100%.

Itā€™s beyond obvious that you are lying.

You think im lying about my ethnicity?

not gonna meet many indians in the states who feel the need to do that
I donā€™t know or care. I do know youā€™re lying about your intelligence level.

ok sure pleb

get out more you fucking shut in. maybe the cognitive dissonance will set in

i assure you if we spoke in person you would not be questioning me you little autist.

You have no idea where to begin trying to defend your bullshit. Next time some one treats like you like shit don't wonder why. You're a vapid little faggot
Yeah, I think I would probably still be questioning your intelligence if we met in person. For sure on the internet youā€™re making shit up.

(Let me clue you in on a little secret, a big tell is the quantity of ad hominems.)


I don't know. He discussed details of the tests that you did not address.
Positive test rates have nothing to do with death rates. People are dying of COVID whether they test positive or not. Nobody is inflating death totals. You COVID truthers are twisted.


What percentage of the death totals, are primarily from covid with co-morbidities as contributing factors, and what percentage are primarily from the co-morbidities with convid as a contributing factor?
The people that have COVID listed on their death certificates died of COVID...like the congressman from Texas. Yes, he had cancer but COVID, not cancer, killed him. If you have cancer and get decapitated in an auto accident, they donā€™t say you died from cancer. Fucking sick ass COVID truthers...
No. Wrong. If you have comorbidities, and cancer is a very big comorbidity, your death is almost certainly a combination of causes. Not just Covid. The fact that the establishment is claiming all these deaths are solely from Covid, should make you suspicious.

Why? Where is the motivation? What would doctors have to gain by inflating COVID deaths? The congressman from Texas was not dying...until he got COVID. Herman Cain was not dying until he got COVID. COVID killed them, not their cancer.
You are terribly uninformed. Hospitals are receiving government funds for every Covid death. If you are unaware of this, you must admit you are uninformed. Get informed before posting.

In addition, do you not think big pharma is making out HUGE from this pandemic? They have a vested interest in promoting Covid deaths, and they control the political class and the MSM with they enormous wealth.
No they aren't. That LIE was debunked ages ago.


Fucking COVID truthers are stupid and dangerous.


Your source does not say that there is not additional payment for covid cases.

"A: Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but "


"Numerous readers have asked us about such claims, some of which imply that hospitals are making money by simply listing patients as having the disease ā€” when in fact the payments referenced are for treating patients."


Wow. Based on the distinction between "listing" and "treating" they are judging that accusation as NOT TRUE?


Hilarious.
Yes, treating the patient costs money and Medicare is reimbursing for those costs.
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses.​
Medicare ā€” the federal health insurance program for Americans 65 and older, a central at-risk population when it comes to COVID-19 ā€” pays hospitals in part using fixed rates at discharge based off a grouping system known as diagnosis-related groups.​
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has classified COVID-19 cases with existing groups for respiratory infections and inflammations. A CMS spokesperson told us exact payments vary, depending on a patientā€™s principal diagnosis and severity, as well as treatments and procedures. There are also geographic variations.​
An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the ā€œaverage Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 ā€¦ was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.ā€​


Your position was that there was no motive to inflate convid cases, and then you denied that more money was given for covid cases, and now that you have been forced to admit that there is more money,

now you are arguing that the money is justified.


My point that there is money as a motive to inflate the numbers has been proven, and even admitted by you.
There is no motivation. Flat rate reimbursement for treatment is hardly motivation. Just like the accusations of "cheating" in the election, you all make these ridiculous claims with ZERO evidence to support them.


Your link to the fact checker, made the claim that the claim of the hospitals getting more money for covid cases was NOT true, based on semantics.


Your fact checker and you, not long ago, were denying that the increased payments existed.
And you still have ZERO proof that deaths are being reported just to get more money. Even the douche bag that originally made the claim walked it back. You Trumpsters have no shame.


Data collected that includes, in reverse order this time, a financial incentive for inflating the numbers, with counted as from, and guesses,


is garbage data.


Yes, I refuse to waste my time digging though the shit to find a link for you, that you will ignore, the way you are ignoring that the money point has been validated.

Being reimbursed for services rendered is not "financial incentive", it is reimbursement for treatment, that's it. Nobody is making money off COVID deaths. This is just more of your COVID truther bullshit with no evidence to support your claim.


Being reimbursed more for a covid service, than a non-covid service is a financial incentive to report services as covid services.

Obviously.


That is why you first denied that it was happening.


That is why your fact checker site, played word games to be able to call it "not true".
They called the claim not true because the claim was not true. Hospitals are not financially benefiting from COVID.


They played a game with words, making a distinction between being paid for "listing" covid" and being paid for "treating" covid.

Being paid money, is benefitting.


You are painting yourself into a smaller and smaller corner.
Being reimbursed for services rendered is not benefiting. Hospitals are not benefiting from Covid deaths. Stop lying.


Being given money is benefitting.


You have gone full partisan hack here.
You have gone full idiot here. If I perform a service and I get money for that service that is reimbursement not benefiting.


It is both.

Can't believe I have to do this.


noun

  1. 1.
    an advantage or profit gained from something.
 
the chances of dying from it approach zeroā€¦.

...Half a million more Americans are dead over the last year compared to normal mortality expectancy. Please STFU with your ignorant, pathetic, batshit crazy stupidy.

You are a cancer on this world and I seriously hope you get everything you've earned for a lifetime of insane bs spreading.


"...Half a million more Americans are dead over the last year compared to normal mortality expectancy."



Let's check.



You didn't catch on to the hoax??????


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You canā€™t discount the power of the establishment, government, and the MSM to dupe millions of Americans. At one time, Americans were very aware and fearful of concentrated power in the hands of a small elite. Apparently many arenā€™t anymore.



I don't believe for a minute that there are more of them, or that Biden got over Trump's 74.2 million votes.

Just ask them what Trump policies they voted against and watch the blank stares.

..because you are totally nuts.

You're oblivious and believe the propaganda. It's sad.

Yep, I believe REPUBLICAN "propaganda" from places like GA that states that the election was true, free, and fair.

What the f do you believe nutbag? That Democrats were trying to cheat Trump out of winning in New York and California?? That Republican leadership in GA conspired against the man they voted for??
 
What a terrifying pandemic.
100,000 Americans have died of Covid since the beginning of 2021, jackass.


No, they didn't. That's bullshit.
No, itā€™s true shit

January's death toll has already surpassed the previous record number of fatalities set in December, when over 77,400 people in the U.S. died of Covid-19, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The pandemic has taken more than 79,200 lives so far this month, according to the data.​
You get that we're well into February Seabitch, and the Synthia is a liar.
No shit. If it was almost 80,000 just for January and we are losing 3,000-4,000 a day...can you do the math aptly named one?

those numbers are not real

If you don't have pneumonia you cannot die of covid

and just because you tested positive for covid with pneumonia doesn't mean the covid caused the pneumonia. How likely that is varies on the cycles used on the PCR test.

For most of history a doctor would have said cold/pneumonia or viral pneumonia because it's more hassle than it's worth finding out exactly what virus you've got.
You fucking COVID truthers are nuts and I donā€™t understand your motivation.

Covid truther? lol. Maybe you should remember your education. I can read a data set as well as standardized tests can measure.

PCR tests are not what you think they are, you should know this by now. Massive false positive rate. Well over 50% at 35 cycles which was very common in the US. Although how common is unclear because labs don't report this data

It's been a year pleb

Maybe stop with teh appeals to authority use your head. I've spend the year slapping around phds, you pleb have no idea what you're talking about. Even my ivy league kin. You are clearly not ivy league material.
Please, the only thing you spent a year slapping around is your dick, COVID truther.

Uh huh says the pleb

i'm half south asian. I don't think i need to say anymore about my STEM credentials

statistically the likelyhood of you being on my level academically is almost non existant.

otehr than math people don't come smarter than me

remember your place whitey. Clearly not on top fo the heap
The likelihood of someone lying about their intelligence level on an anonymous board ...100%.

Itā€™s beyond obvious that you are lying.

You think im lying about my ethnicity?

not gonna meet many indians in the states who feel the need to do that
I donā€™t know or care. I do know youā€™re lying about your intelligence level.

ok sure pleb

get out more you fucking shut in. maybe the cognitive dissonance will set in

i assure you if we spoke in person you would not be questioning me you little autist.

You have no idea where to begin trying to defend your bullshit. Next time some one treats like you like shit don't wonder why. You're a vapid little faggot
Yeah, I think I would probably still be questioning your intelligence if we met in person. For sure on the internet youā€™re making shit up.

(Let me clue you in on a little secret, a big tell is the quantity of ad hominems.)


I don't know. He discussed details of the tests that you did not address.
Positive test rates have nothing to do with death rates. People are dying of COVID whether they test positive or not. Nobody is inflating death totals. You COVID truthers are twisted.


What percentage of the death totals, are primarily from covid with co-morbidities as contributing factors, and what percentage are primarily from the co-morbidities with convid as a contributing factor?
The people that have COVID listed on their death certificates died of COVID...like the congressman from Texas. Yes, he had cancer but COVID, not cancer, killed him. If you have cancer and get decapitated in an auto accident, they donā€™t say you died from cancer. Fucking sick ass COVID truthers...
No. Wrong. If you have comorbidities, and cancer is a very big comorbidity, your death is almost certainly a combination of causes. Not just Covid. The fact that the establishment is claiming all these deaths are solely from Covid, should make you suspicious.

Why? Where is the motivation? What would doctors have to gain by inflating COVID deaths? The congressman from Texas was not dying...until he got COVID. Herman Cain was not dying until he got COVID. COVID killed them, not their cancer.
You are terribly uninformed. Hospitals are receiving government funds for every Covid death. If you are unaware of this, you must admit you are uninformed. Get informed before posting.

In addition, do you not think big pharma is making out HUGE from this pandemic? They have a vested interest in promoting Covid deaths, and they control the political class and the MSM with they enormous wealth.
No they aren't. That LIE was debunked ages ago.


Fucking COVID truthers are stupid and dangerous.


Your source does not say that there is not additional payment for covid cases.

"A: Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but "


"Numerous readers have asked us about such claims, some of which imply that hospitals are making money by simply listing patients as having the disease ā€” when in fact the payments referenced are for treating patients."


Wow. Based on the distinction between "listing" and "treating" they are judging that accusation as NOT TRUE?


Hilarious.
Yes, treating the patient costs money and Medicare is reimbursing for those costs.
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses.​
Medicare ā€” the federal health insurance program for Americans 65 and older, a central at-risk population when it comes to COVID-19 ā€” pays hospitals in part using fixed rates at discharge based off a grouping system known as diagnosis-related groups.​
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has classified COVID-19 cases with existing groups for respiratory infections and inflammations. A CMS spokesperson told us exact payments vary, depending on a patientā€™s principal diagnosis and severity, as well as treatments and procedures. There are also geographic variations.​
An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the ā€œaverage Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 ā€¦ was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.ā€​


Your position was that there was no motive to inflate convid cases, and then you denied that more money was given for covid cases, and now that you have been forced to admit that there is more money,

now you are arguing that the money is justified.


My point that there is money as a motive to inflate the numbers has been proven, and even admitted by you.
There is no motivation. Flat rate reimbursement for treatment is hardly motivation. Just like the accusations of "cheating" in the election, you all make these ridiculous claims with ZERO evidence to support them.


Your link to the fact checker, made the claim that the claim of the hospitals getting more money for covid cases was NOT true, based on semantics.


Your fact checker and you, not long ago, were denying that the increased payments existed.
And you still have ZERO proof that deaths are being reported just to get more money. Even the douche bag that originally made the claim walked it back. You Trumpsters have no shame.


Data collected that includes, in reverse order this time, a financial incentive for inflating the numbers, with counted as from, and guesses,


is garbage data.


Yes, I refuse to waste my time digging though the shit to find a link for you, that you will ignore, the way you are ignoring that the money point has been validated.

Being reimbursed for services rendered is not "financial incentive", it is reimbursement for treatment, that's it. Nobody is making money off COVID deaths. This is just more of your COVID truther bullshit with no evidence to support your claim.


Being reimbursed more for a covid service, than a non-covid service is a financial incentive to report services as covid services.

Obviously.


That is why you first denied that it was happening.


That is why your fact checker site, played word games to be able to call it "not true".
They called the claim not true because the claim was not true. Hospitals are not financially benefiting from COVID.


They played a game with words, making a distinction between being paid for "listing" covid" and being paid for "treating" covid.

Being paid money, is benefitting.


You are painting yourself into a smaller and smaller corner.
Being reimbursed for services rendered is not benefiting. Hospitals are not benefiting from Covid deaths. Stop lying.


Being given money is benefitting.


You have gone full partisan hack here.
You have gone full idiot here. If I perform a service and I get money for that service that is reimbursement not benefiting.


It is both.

Can't believe I have to do this.


noun

  1. 1.
    an advantage or profit gained from something.
It is not them profiting off of Covid. Nobody is profiting off of Covid except maybe Amazon.
 
What a terrifying pandemic.
100,000 Americans have died of Covid since the beginning of 2021, jackass.


No, they didn't. That's bullshit.
No, itā€™s true shit

January's death toll has already surpassed the previous record number of fatalities set in December, when over 77,400 people in the U.S. died of Covid-19, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The pandemic has taken more than 79,200 lives so far this month, according to the data.​
You get that we're well into February Seabitch, and the Synthia is a liar.
No shit. If it was almost 80,000 just for January and we are losing 3,000-4,000 a day...can you do the math aptly named one?

those numbers are not real

If you don't have pneumonia you cannot die of covid

and just because you tested positive for covid with pneumonia doesn't mean the covid caused the pneumonia. How likely that is varies on the cycles used on the PCR test.

For most of history a doctor would have said cold/pneumonia or viral pneumonia because it's more hassle than it's worth finding out exactly what virus you've got.
You fucking COVID truthers are nuts and I donā€™t understand your motivation.

Covid truther? lol. Maybe you should remember your education. I can read a data set as well as standardized tests can measure.

PCR tests are not what you think they are, you should know this by now. Massive false positive rate. Well over 50% at 35 cycles which was very common in the US. Although how common is unclear because labs don't report this data

It's been a year pleb

Maybe stop with teh appeals to authority use your head. I've spend the year slapping around phds, you pleb have no idea what you're talking about. Even my ivy league kin. You are clearly not ivy league material.
Please, the only thing you spent a year slapping around is your dick, COVID truther.

Uh huh says the pleb

i'm half south asian. I don't think i need to say anymore about my STEM credentials

statistically the likelyhood of you being on my level academically is almost non existant.

otehr than math people don't come smarter than me

remember your place whitey. Clearly not on top fo the heap
The likelihood of someone lying about their intelligence level on an anonymous board ...100%.

Itā€™s beyond obvious that you are lying.

You think im lying about my ethnicity?

not gonna meet many indians in the states who feel the need to do that
I donā€™t know or care. I do know youā€™re lying about your intelligence level.

ok sure pleb

get out more you fucking shut in. maybe the cognitive dissonance will set in

i assure you if we spoke in person you would not be questioning me you little autist.

You have no idea where to begin trying to defend your bullshit. Next time some one treats like you like shit don't wonder why. You're a vapid little faggot
Yeah, I think I would probably still be questioning your intelligence if we met in person. For sure on the internet youā€™re making shit up.

(Let me clue you in on a little secret, a big tell is the quantity of ad hominems.)


I don't know. He discussed details of the tests that you did not address.
Positive test rates have nothing to do with death rates. People are dying of COVID whether they test positive or not. Nobody is inflating death totals. You COVID truthers are twisted.


What percentage of the death totals, are primarily from covid with co-morbidities as contributing factors, and what percentage are primarily from the co-morbidities with convid as a contributing factor?
The people that have COVID listed on their death certificates died of COVID...like the congressman from Texas. Yes, he had cancer but COVID, not cancer, killed him. If you have cancer and get decapitated in an auto accident, they donā€™t say you died from cancer. Fucking sick ass COVID truthers...
No. Wrong. If you have comorbidities, and cancer is a very big comorbidity, your death is almost certainly a combination of causes. Not just Covid. The fact that the establishment is claiming all these deaths are solely from Covid, should make you suspicious.

Why? Where is the motivation? What would doctors have to gain by inflating COVID deaths? The congressman from Texas was not dying...until he got COVID. Herman Cain was not dying until he got COVID. COVID killed them, not their cancer.
You are terribly uninformed. Hospitals are receiving government funds for every Covid death. If you are unaware of this, you must admit you are uninformed. Get informed before posting.

In addition, do you not think big pharma is making out HUGE from this pandemic? They have a vested interest in promoting Covid deaths, and they control the political class and the MSM with they enormous wealth.
No they aren't. That LIE was debunked ages ago.


Fucking COVID truthers are stupid and dangerous.


Your source does not say that there is not additional payment for covid cases.

"A: Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but "


"Numerous readers have asked us about such claims, some of which imply that hospitals are making money by simply listing patients as having the disease ā€” when in fact the payments referenced are for treating patients."


Wow. Based on the distinction between "listing" and "treating" they are judging that accusation as NOT TRUE?


Hilarious.
Yes, treating the patient costs money and Medicare is reimbursing for those costs.
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses.​
Medicare ā€” the federal health insurance program for Americans 65 and older, a central at-risk population when it comes to COVID-19 ā€” pays hospitals in part using fixed rates at discharge based off a grouping system known as diagnosis-related groups.​
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has classified COVID-19 cases with existing groups for respiratory infections and inflammations. A CMS spokesperson told us exact payments vary, depending on a patientā€™s principal diagnosis and severity, as well as treatments and procedures. There are also geographic variations.​
An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the ā€œaverage Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 ā€¦ was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.ā€​


Your position was that there was no motive to inflate convid cases, and then you denied that more money was given for covid cases, and now that you have been forced to admit that there is more money,

now you are arguing that the money is justified.


My point that there is money as a motive to inflate the numbers has been proven, and even admitted by you.
There is no motivation. Flat rate reimbursement for treatment is hardly motivation. Just like the accusations of "cheating" in the election, you all make these ridiculous claims with ZERO evidence to support them.


Your link to the fact checker, made the claim that the claim of the hospitals getting more money for covid cases was NOT true, based on semantics.


Your fact checker and you, not long ago, were denying that the increased payments existed.
And you still have ZERO proof that deaths are being reported just to get more money. Even the douche bag that originally made the claim walked it back. You Trumpsters have no shame.


Data collected that includes, in reverse order this time, a financial incentive for inflating the numbers, with counted as from, and guesses,


is garbage data.


Yes, I refuse to waste my time digging though the shit to find a link for you, that you will ignore, the way you are ignoring that the money point has been validated.

Being reimbursed for services rendered is not "financial incentive", it is reimbursement for treatment, that's it. Nobody is making money off COVID deaths. This is just more of your COVID truther bullshit with no evidence to support your claim.


Being reimbursed more for a covid service, than a non-covid service is a financial incentive to report services as covid services.

Obviously.


That is why you first denied that it was happening.


That is why your fact checker site, played word games to be able to call it "not true".
They called the claim not true because the claim was not true. Hospitals are not financially benefiting from COVID.


They played a game with words, making a distinction between being paid for "listing" covid" and being paid for "treating" covid.

Being paid money, is benefitting.


You are painting yourself into a smaller and smaller corner.
Being reimbursed for services rendered is not benefiting. Hospitals are not benefiting from Covid deaths. Stop lying.


Being given money is benefitting.


You have gone full partisan hack here.
You have gone full idiot here. If I perform a service and I get money for that service that is reimbursement not benefiting.


It is both.

Can't believe I have to do this.


noun

  1. 1.
    an advantage or profit gained from something.
It is not them profiting off of Covid. Nobody is profiting off of Covid except maybe Amazon.

Amazon, walmart, target, costco, hospitals, clinics. They're loving the coronavirus.
 
What a terrifying pandemic.
100,000 Americans have died of Covid since the beginning of 2021, jackass.


No, they didn't. That's bullshit.
No, itā€™s true shit

January's death toll has already surpassed the previous record number of fatalities set in December, when over 77,400 people in the U.S. died of Covid-19, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The pandemic has taken more than 79,200 lives so far this month, according to the data.​
You get that we're well into February Seabitch, and the Synthia is a liar.
No shit. If it was almost 80,000 just for January and we are losing 3,000-4,000 a day...can you do the math aptly named one?

those numbers are not real

If you don't have pneumonia you cannot die of covid

and just because you tested positive for covid with pneumonia doesn't mean the covid caused the pneumonia. How likely that is varies on the cycles used on the PCR test.

For most of history a doctor would have said cold/pneumonia or viral pneumonia because it's more hassle than it's worth finding out exactly what virus you've got.
You fucking COVID truthers are nuts and I donā€™t understand your motivation.

Covid truther? lol. Maybe you should remember your education. I can read a data set as well as standardized tests can measure.

PCR tests are not what you think they are, you should know this by now. Massive false positive rate. Well over 50% at 35 cycles which was very common in the US. Although how common is unclear because labs don't report this data

It's been a year pleb

Maybe stop with teh appeals to authority use your head. I've spend the year slapping around phds, you pleb have no idea what you're talking about. Even my ivy league kin. You are clearly not ivy league material.
Please, the only thing you spent a year slapping around is your dick, COVID truther.

Uh huh says the pleb

i'm half south asian. I don't think i need to say anymore about my STEM credentials

statistically the likelyhood of you being on my level academically is almost non existant.

otehr than math people don't come smarter than me

remember your place whitey. Clearly not on top fo the heap
The likelihood of someone lying about their intelligence level on an anonymous board ...100%.

Itā€™s beyond obvious that you are lying.

You think im lying about my ethnicity?

not gonna meet many indians in the states who feel the need to do that
I donā€™t know or care. I do know youā€™re lying about your intelligence level.

ok sure pleb

get out more you fucking shut in. maybe the cognitive dissonance will set in

i assure you if we spoke in person you would not be questioning me you little autist.

You have no idea where to begin trying to defend your bullshit. Next time some one treats like you like shit don't wonder why. You're a vapid little faggot
Yeah, I think I would probably still be questioning your intelligence if we met in person. For sure on the internet youā€™re making shit up.

(Let me clue you in on a little secret, a big tell is the quantity of ad hominems.)


I don't know. He discussed details of the tests that you did not address.
Positive test rates have nothing to do with death rates. People are dying of COVID whether they test positive or not. Nobody is inflating death totals. You COVID truthers are twisted.


What percentage of the death totals, are primarily from covid with co-morbidities as contributing factors, and what percentage are primarily from the co-morbidities with convid as a contributing factor?
The people that have COVID listed on their death certificates died of COVID...like the congressman from Texas. Yes, he had cancer but COVID, not cancer, killed him. If you have cancer and get decapitated in an auto accident, they donā€™t say you died from cancer. Fucking sick ass COVID truthers...
No. Wrong. If you have comorbidities, and cancer is a very big comorbidity, your death is almost certainly a combination of causes. Not just Covid. The fact that the establishment is claiming all these deaths are solely from Covid, should make you suspicious.

Why? Where is the motivation? What would doctors have to gain by inflating COVID deaths? The congressman from Texas was not dying...until he got COVID. Herman Cain was not dying until he got COVID. COVID killed them, not their cancer.
You are terribly uninformed. Hospitals are receiving government funds for every Covid death. If you are unaware of this, you must admit you are uninformed. Get informed before posting.

In addition, do you not think big pharma is making out HUGE from this pandemic? They have a vested interest in promoting Covid deaths, and they control the political class and the MSM with they enormous wealth.
No they aren't. That LIE was debunked ages ago.


Fucking COVID truthers are stupid and dangerous.


Your source does not say that there is not additional payment for covid cases.

"A: Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but "


"Numerous readers have asked us about such claims, some of which imply that hospitals are making money by simply listing patients as having the disease ā€” when in fact the payments referenced are for treating patients."


Wow. Based on the distinction between "listing" and "treating" they are judging that accusation as NOT TRUE?


Hilarious.
Yes, treating the patient costs money and Medicare is reimbursing for those costs.
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses.​
Medicare ā€” the federal health insurance program for Americans 65 and older, a central at-risk population when it comes to COVID-19 ā€” pays hospitals in part using fixed rates at discharge based off a grouping system known as diagnosis-related groups.​
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has classified COVID-19 cases with existing groups for respiratory infections and inflammations. A CMS spokesperson told us exact payments vary, depending on a patientā€™s principal diagnosis and severity, as well as treatments and procedures. There are also geographic variations.​
An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the ā€œaverage Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 ā€¦ was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.ā€​


Your position was that there was no motive to inflate convid cases, and then you denied that more money was given for covid cases, and now that you have been forced to admit that there is more money,

now you are arguing that the money is justified.


My point that there is money as a motive to inflate the numbers has been proven, and even admitted by you.
There is no motivation. Flat rate reimbursement for treatment is hardly motivation. Just like the accusations of "cheating" in the election, you all make these ridiculous claims with ZERO evidence to support them.


Your link to the fact checker, made the claim that the claim of the hospitals getting more money for covid cases was NOT true, based on semantics.


Your fact checker and you, not long ago, were denying that the increased payments existed.
And you still have ZERO proof that deaths are being reported just to get more money. Even the douche bag that originally made the claim walked it back. You Trumpsters have no shame.


Data collected that includes, in reverse order this time, a financial incentive for inflating the numbers, with counted as from, and guesses,


is garbage data.


Yes, I refuse to waste my time digging though the shit to find a link for you, that you will ignore, the way you are ignoring that the money point has been validated.

Being reimbursed for services rendered is not "financial incentive", it is reimbursement for treatment, that's it. Nobody is making money off COVID deaths. This is just more of your COVID truther bullshit with no evidence to support your claim.


Being reimbursed more for a covid service, than a non-covid service is a financial incentive to report services as covid services.

Obviously.


That is why you first denied that it was happening.


That is why your fact checker site, played word games to be able to call it "not true".
They called the claim not true because the claim was not true. Hospitals are not financially benefiting from COVID.


They played a game with words, making a distinction between being paid for "listing" covid" and being paid for "treating" covid.

Being paid money, is benefitting.


You are painting yourself into a smaller and smaller corner.
Being reimbursed for services rendered is not benefiting. Hospitals are not benefiting from Covid deaths. Stop lying.


Being given money is benefitting.


You have gone full partisan hack here.
You have gone full idiot here. If I perform a service and I get money for that service that is reimbursement not benefiting.


It is both.

Can't believe I have to do this.


noun

  1. 1.
    an advantage or profit gained from something.
It is not them profiting off of Covid. Nobody is profiting off of Covid except maybe Amazon.


If you want accurate numbers to give a clear picture of what is happening, you do not put money into the system like that.
 
What a terrifying pandemic.
100,000 Americans have died of Covid since the beginning of 2021, jackass.


No, they didn't. That's bullshit.
No, itā€™s true shit

January's death toll has already surpassed the previous record number of fatalities set in December, when over 77,400 people in the U.S. died of Covid-19, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The pandemic has taken more than 79,200 lives so far this month, according to the data.​
You get that we're well into February Seabitch, and the Synthia is a liar.
No shit. If it was almost 80,000 just for January and we are losing 3,000-4,000 a day...can you do the math aptly named one?

those numbers are not real

If you don't have pneumonia you cannot die of covid

and just because you tested positive for covid with pneumonia doesn't mean the covid caused the pneumonia. How likely that is varies on the cycles used on the PCR test.

For most of history a doctor would have said cold/pneumonia or viral pneumonia because it's more hassle than it's worth finding out exactly what virus you've got.
You fucking COVID truthers are nuts and I donā€™t understand your motivation.

Covid truther? lol. Maybe you should remember your education. I can read a data set as well as standardized tests can measure.

PCR tests are not what you think they are, you should know this by now. Massive false positive rate. Well over 50% at 35 cycles which was very common in the US. Although how common is unclear because labs don't report this data

It's been a year pleb

Maybe stop with teh appeals to authority use your head. I've spend the year slapping around phds, you pleb have no idea what you're talking about. Even my ivy league kin. You are clearly not ivy league material.
Please, the only thing you spent a year slapping around is your dick, COVID truther.

Uh huh says the pleb

i'm half south asian. I don't think i need to say anymore about my STEM credentials

statistically the likelyhood of you being on my level academically is almost non existant.

otehr than math people don't come smarter than me

remember your place whitey. Clearly not on top fo the heap
The likelihood of someone lying about their intelligence level on an anonymous board ...100%.

Itā€™s beyond obvious that you are lying.

You think im lying about my ethnicity?

not gonna meet many indians in the states who feel the need to do that
I donā€™t know or care. I do know youā€™re lying about your intelligence level.

ok sure pleb

get out more you fucking shut in. maybe the cognitive dissonance will set in

i assure you if we spoke in person you would not be questioning me you little autist.

You have no idea where to begin trying to defend your bullshit. Next time some one treats like you like shit don't wonder why. You're a vapid little faggot
Yeah, I think I would probably still be questioning your intelligence if we met in person. For sure on the internet youā€™re making shit up.

(Let me clue you in on a little secret, a big tell is the quantity of ad hominems.)


I don't know. He discussed details of the tests that you did not address.
Positive test rates have nothing to do with death rates. People are dying of COVID whether they test positive or not. Nobody is inflating death totals. You COVID truthers are twisted.


What percentage of the death totals, are primarily from covid with co-morbidities as contributing factors, and what percentage are primarily from the co-morbidities with convid as a contributing factor?
The people that have COVID listed on their death certificates died of COVID...like the congressman from Texas. Yes, he had cancer but COVID, not cancer, killed him. If you have cancer and get decapitated in an auto accident, they donā€™t say you died from cancer. Fucking sick ass COVID truthers...
No. Wrong. If you have comorbidities, and cancer is a very big comorbidity, your death is almost certainly a combination of causes. Not just Covid. The fact that the establishment is claiming all these deaths are solely from Covid, should make you suspicious.

Why? Where is the motivation? What would doctors have to gain by inflating COVID deaths? The congressman from Texas was not dying...until he got COVID. Herman Cain was not dying until he got COVID. COVID killed them, not their cancer.
You are terribly uninformed. Hospitals are receiving government funds for every Covid death. If you are unaware of this, you must admit you are uninformed. Get informed before posting.

In addition, do you not think big pharma is making out HUGE from this pandemic? They have a vested interest in promoting Covid deaths, and they control the political class and the MSM with they enormous wealth.
No they aren't. That LIE was debunked ages ago.


Fucking COVID truthers are stupid and dangerous.


Your source does not say that there is not additional payment for covid cases.

"A: Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but "


"Numerous readers have asked us about such claims, some of which imply that hospitals are making money by simply listing patients as having the disease ā€” when in fact the payments referenced are for treating patients."


Wow. Based on the distinction between "listing" and "treating" they are judging that accusation as NOT TRUE?


Hilarious.
Yes, treating the patient costs money and Medicare is reimbursing for those costs.
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses.​
Medicare ā€” the federal health insurance program for Americans 65 and older, a central at-risk population when it comes to COVID-19 ā€” pays hospitals in part using fixed rates at discharge based off a grouping system known as diagnosis-related groups.​
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has classified COVID-19 cases with existing groups for respiratory infections and inflammations. A CMS spokesperson told us exact payments vary, depending on a patientā€™s principal diagnosis and severity, as well as treatments and procedures. There are also geographic variations.​
An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the ā€œaverage Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 ā€¦ was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.ā€​


Your position was that there was no motive to inflate convid cases, and then you denied that more money was given for covid cases, and now that you have been forced to admit that there is more money,

now you are arguing that the money is justified.


My point that there is money as a motive to inflate the numbers has been proven, and even admitted by you.
There is no motivation. Flat rate reimbursement for treatment is hardly motivation. Just like the accusations of "cheating" in the election, you all make these ridiculous claims with ZERO evidence to support them.


Your link to the fact checker, made the claim that the claim of the hospitals getting more money for covid cases was NOT true, based on semantics.


Your fact checker and you, not long ago, were denying that the increased payments existed.
And you still have ZERO proof that deaths are being reported just to get more money. Even the douche bag that originally made the claim walked it back. You Trumpsters have no shame.


Data collected that includes, in reverse order this time, a financial incentive for inflating the numbers, with counted as from, and guesses,


is garbage data.


Yes, I refuse to waste my time digging though the shit to find a link for you, that you will ignore, the way you are ignoring that the money point has been validated.

Being reimbursed for services rendered is not "financial incentive", it is reimbursement for treatment, that's it. Nobody is making money off COVID deaths. This is just more of your COVID truther bullshit with no evidence to support your claim.


Being reimbursed more for a covid service, than a non-covid service is a financial incentive to report services as covid services.

Obviously.


That is why you first denied that it was happening.


That is why your fact checker site, played word games to be able to call it "not true".
They called the claim not true because the claim was not true. Hospitals are not financially benefiting from COVID.


They played a game with words, making a distinction between being paid for "listing" covid" and being paid for "treating" covid.

Being paid money, is benefitting.


You are painting yourself into a smaller and smaller corner.
Being reimbursed for services rendered is not benefiting. Hospitals are not benefiting from Covid deaths. Stop lying.


Being given money is benefitting.


You have gone full partisan hack here.
You have gone full idiot here. If I perform a service and I get money for that service that is reimbursement not benefiting.


It is both.

Can't believe I have to do this.


noun

  1. 1.
    an advantage or profit gained from something.
It is not them profiting off of Covid. Nobody is profiting off of Covid except maybe Amazon.

Amazon, walmart, target, costco, hospitals, clinics. They're loving the coronavirus.
No, hospitals and clinics are not ā€œloving the corona virusā€. You motherfuckers are sick.

 
What a terrifying pandemic.
100,000 Americans have died of Covid since the beginning of 2021, jackass.


No, they didn't. That's bullshit.
No, itā€™s true shit

January's death toll has already surpassed the previous record number of fatalities set in December, when over 77,400 people in the U.S. died of Covid-19, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The pandemic has taken more than 79,200 lives so far this month, according to the data.​
You get that we're well into February Seabitch, and the Synthia is a liar.
No shit. If it was almost 80,000 just for January and we are losing 3,000-4,000 a day...can you do the math aptly named one?

those numbers are not real

If you don't have pneumonia you cannot die of covid

and just because you tested positive for covid with pneumonia doesn't mean the covid caused the pneumonia. How likely that is varies on the cycles used on the PCR test.

For most of history a doctor would have said cold/pneumonia or viral pneumonia because it's more hassle than it's worth finding out exactly what virus you've got.
You fucking COVID truthers are nuts and I donā€™t understand your motivation.

Covid truther? lol. Maybe you should remember your education. I can read a data set as well as standardized tests can measure.

PCR tests are not what you think they are, you should know this by now. Massive false positive rate. Well over 50% at 35 cycles which was very common in the US. Although how common is unclear because labs don't report this data

It's been a year pleb

Maybe stop with teh appeals to authority use your head. I've spend the year slapping around phds, you pleb have no idea what you're talking about. Even my ivy league kin. You are clearly not ivy league material.
Please, the only thing you spent a year slapping around is your dick, COVID truther.

Uh huh says the pleb

i'm half south asian. I don't think i need to say anymore about my STEM credentials

statistically the likelyhood of you being on my level academically is almost non existant.

otehr than math people don't come smarter than me

remember your place whitey. Clearly not on top fo the heap
The likelihood of someone lying about their intelligence level on an anonymous board ...100%.

Itā€™s beyond obvious that you are lying.

You think im lying about my ethnicity?

not gonna meet many indians in the states who feel the need to do that
I donā€™t know or care. I do know youā€™re lying about your intelligence level.

ok sure pleb

get out more you fucking shut in. maybe the cognitive dissonance will set in

i assure you if we spoke in person you would not be questioning me you little autist.

You have no idea where to begin trying to defend your bullshit. Next time some one treats like you like shit don't wonder why. You're a vapid little faggot
Yeah, I think I would probably still be questioning your intelligence if we met in person. For sure on the internet youā€™re making shit up.

(Let me clue you in on a little secret, a big tell is the quantity of ad hominems.)


I don't know. He discussed details of the tests that you did not address.
Positive test rates have nothing to do with death rates. People are dying of COVID whether they test positive or not. Nobody is inflating death totals. You COVID truthers are twisted.


What percentage of the death totals, are primarily from covid with co-morbidities as contributing factors, and what percentage are primarily from the co-morbidities with convid as a contributing factor?
The people that have COVID listed on their death certificates died of COVID...like the congressman from Texas. Yes, he had cancer but COVID, not cancer, killed him. If you have cancer and get decapitated in an auto accident, they donā€™t say you died from cancer. Fucking sick ass COVID truthers...
No. Wrong. If you have comorbidities, and cancer is a very big comorbidity, your death is almost certainly a combination of causes. Not just Covid. The fact that the establishment is claiming all these deaths are solely from Covid, should make you suspicious.

Why? Where is the motivation? What would doctors have to gain by inflating COVID deaths? The congressman from Texas was not dying...until he got COVID. Herman Cain was not dying until he got COVID. COVID killed them, not their cancer.
You are terribly uninformed. Hospitals are receiving government funds for every Covid death. If you are unaware of this, you must admit you are uninformed. Get informed before posting.

In addition, do you not think big pharma is making out HUGE from this pandemic? They have a vested interest in promoting Covid deaths, and they control the political class and the MSM with they enormous wealth.
No they aren't. That LIE was debunked ages ago.


Fucking COVID truthers are stupid and dangerous.


Your source does not say that there is not additional payment for covid cases.

"A: Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but "


"Numerous readers have asked us about such claims, some of which imply that hospitals are making money by simply listing patients as having the disease ā€” when in fact the payments referenced are for treating patients."


Wow. Based on the distinction between "listing" and "treating" they are judging that accusation as NOT TRUE?


Hilarious.
Yes, treating the patient costs money and Medicare is reimbursing for those costs.
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses.​
Medicare ā€” the federal health insurance program for Americans 65 and older, a central at-risk population when it comes to COVID-19 ā€” pays hospitals in part using fixed rates at discharge based off a grouping system known as diagnosis-related groups.​
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has classified COVID-19 cases with existing groups for respiratory infections and inflammations. A CMS spokesperson told us exact payments vary, depending on a patientā€™s principal diagnosis and severity, as well as treatments and procedures. There are also geographic variations.​
An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the ā€œaverage Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 ā€¦ was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.ā€​


Your position was that there was no motive to inflate convid cases, and then you denied that more money was given for covid cases, and now that you have been forced to admit that there is more money,

now you are arguing that the money is justified.


My point that there is money as a motive to inflate the numbers has been proven, and even admitted by you.
There is no motivation. Flat rate reimbursement for treatment is hardly motivation. Just like the accusations of "cheating" in the election, you all make these ridiculous claims with ZERO evidence to support them.


Your link to the fact checker, made the claim that the claim of the hospitals getting more money for covid cases was NOT true, based on semantics.


Your fact checker and you, not long ago, were denying that the increased payments existed.
And you still have ZERO proof that deaths are being reported just to get more money. Even the douche bag that originally made the claim walked it back. You Trumpsters have no shame.


Data collected that includes, in reverse order this time, a financial incentive for inflating the numbers, with counted as from, and guesses,


is garbage data.


Yes, I refuse to waste my time digging though the shit to find a link for you, that you will ignore, the way you are ignoring that the money point has been validated.

Being reimbursed for services rendered is not "financial incentive", it is reimbursement for treatment, that's it. Nobody is making money off COVID deaths. This is just more of your COVID truther bullshit with no evidence to support your claim.


Being reimbursed more for a covid service, than a non-covid service is a financial incentive to report services as covid services.

Obviously.


That is why you first denied that it was happening.


That is why your fact checker site, played word games to be able to call it "not true".
They called the claim not true because the claim was not true. Hospitals are not financially benefiting from COVID.


They played a game with words, making a distinction between being paid for "listing" covid" and being paid for "treating" covid.

Being paid money, is benefitting.


You are painting yourself into a smaller and smaller corner.
Being reimbursed for services rendered is not benefiting. Hospitals are not benefiting from Covid deaths. Stop lying.


Being given money is benefitting.


You have gone full partisan hack here.
You have gone full idiot here. If I perform a service and I get money for that service that is reimbursement not benefiting.


It is both.

Can't believe I have to do this.


noun

  1. 1.
    an advantage or profit gained from something.
It is not them profiting off of Covid. Nobody is profiting off of Covid except maybe Amazon.


If you want accurate numbers to give a clear picture of what is happening, you do not put money into the system like that.
The system youā€™re talking about is hospitals. Hospitals are suffering under this disease both financially and as far as personnel are concerned. Just stop being a lying Covid truther, would you please.
 
What a terrifying pandemic.
100,000 Americans have died of Covid since the beginning of 2021, jackass.


No, they didn't. That's bullshit.
No, itā€™s true shit

January's death toll has already surpassed the previous record number of fatalities set in December, when over 77,400 people in the U.S. died of Covid-19, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The pandemic has taken more than 79,200 lives so far this month, according to the data.​
You get that we're well into February Seabitch, and the Synthia is a liar.
No shit. If it was almost 80,000 just for January and we are losing 3,000-4,000 a day...can you do the math aptly named one?

those numbers are not real

If you don't have pneumonia you cannot die of covid

and just because you tested positive for covid with pneumonia doesn't mean the covid caused the pneumonia. How likely that is varies on the cycles used on the PCR test.

For most of history a doctor would have said cold/pneumonia or viral pneumonia because it's more hassle than it's worth finding out exactly what virus you've got.
You fucking COVID truthers are nuts and I donā€™t understand your motivation.

Covid truther? lol. Maybe you should remember your education. I can read a data set as well as standardized tests can measure.

PCR tests are not what you think they are, you should know this by now. Massive false positive rate. Well over 50% at 35 cycles which was very common in the US. Although how common is unclear because labs don't report this data

It's been a year pleb

Maybe stop with teh appeals to authority use your head. I've spend the year slapping around phds, you pleb have no idea what you're talking about. Even my ivy league kin. You are clearly not ivy league material.
Please, the only thing you spent a year slapping around is your dick, COVID truther.

Uh huh says the pleb

i'm half south asian. I don't think i need to say anymore about my STEM credentials

statistically the likelyhood of you being on my level academically is almost non existant.

otehr than math people don't come smarter than me

remember your place whitey. Clearly not on top fo the heap
The likelihood of someone lying about their intelligence level on an anonymous board ...100%.

Itā€™s beyond obvious that you are lying.

You think im lying about my ethnicity?

not gonna meet many indians in the states who feel the need to do that
I donā€™t know or care. I do know youā€™re lying about your intelligence level.

ok sure pleb

get out more you fucking shut in. maybe the cognitive dissonance will set in

i assure you if we spoke in person you would not be questioning me you little autist.

You have no idea where to begin trying to defend your bullshit. Next time some one treats like you like shit don't wonder why. You're a vapid little faggot
Yeah, I think I would probably still be questioning your intelligence if we met in person. For sure on the internet youā€™re making shit up.

(Let me clue you in on a little secret, a big tell is the quantity of ad hominems.)


I don't know. He discussed details of the tests that you did not address.
Positive test rates have nothing to do with death rates. People are dying of COVID whether they test positive or not. Nobody is inflating death totals. You COVID truthers are twisted.


What percentage of the death totals, are primarily from covid with co-morbidities as contributing factors, and what percentage are primarily from the co-morbidities with convid as a contributing factor?
The people that have COVID listed on their death certificates died of COVID...like the congressman from Texas. Yes, he had cancer but COVID, not cancer, killed him. If you have cancer and get decapitated in an auto accident, they donā€™t say you died from cancer. Fucking sick ass COVID truthers...
No. Wrong. If you have comorbidities, and cancer is a very big comorbidity, your death is almost certainly a combination of causes. Not just Covid. The fact that the establishment is claiming all these deaths are solely from Covid, should make you suspicious.

Why? Where is the motivation? What would doctors have to gain by inflating COVID deaths? The congressman from Texas was not dying...until he got COVID. Herman Cain was not dying until he got COVID. COVID killed them, not their cancer.
You are terribly uninformed. Hospitals are receiving government funds for every Covid death. If you are unaware of this, you must admit you are uninformed. Get informed before posting.

In addition, do you not think big pharma is making out HUGE from this pandemic? They have a vested interest in promoting Covid deaths, and they control the political class and the MSM with they enormous wealth.
No they aren't. That LIE was debunked ages ago.


Fucking COVID truthers are stupid and dangerous.


Your source does not say that there is not additional payment for covid cases.

"A: Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but "


"Numerous readers have asked us about such claims, some of which imply that hospitals are making money by simply listing patients as having the disease ā€” when in fact the payments referenced are for treating patients."


Wow. Based on the distinction between "listing" and "treating" they are judging that accusation as NOT TRUE?


Hilarious.
Yes, treating the patient costs money and Medicare is reimbursing for those costs.
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses.​
Medicare ā€” the federal health insurance program for Americans 65 and older, a central at-risk population when it comes to COVID-19 ā€” pays hospitals in part using fixed rates at discharge based off a grouping system known as diagnosis-related groups.​
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has classified COVID-19 cases with existing groups for respiratory infections and inflammations. A CMS spokesperson told us exact payments vary, depending on a patientā€™s principal diagnosis and severity, as well as treatments and procedures. There are also geographic variations.​
An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the ā€œaverage Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 ā€¦ was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.ā€​


Your position was that there was no motive to inflate convid cases, and then you denied that more money was given for covid cases, and now that you have been forced to admit that there is more money,

now you are arguing that the money is justified.


My point that there is money as a motive to inflate the numbers has been proven, and even admitted by you.
There is no motivation. Flat rate reimbursement for treatment is hardly motivation. Just like the accusations of "cheating" in the election, you all make these ridiculous claims with ZERO evidence to support them.


Your link to the fact checker, made the claim that the claim of the hospitals getting more money for covid cases was NOT true, based on semantics.


Your fact checker and you, not long ago, were denying that the increased payments existed.
And you still have ZERO proof that deaths are being reported just to get more money. Even the douche bag that originally made the claim walked it back. You Trumpsters have no shame.


Data collected that includes, in reverse order this time, a financial incentive for inflating the numbers, with counted as from, and guesses,


is garbage data.


Yes, I refuse to waste my time digging though the shit to find a link for you, that you will ignore, the way you are ignoring that the money point has been validated.

Being reimbursed for services rendered is not "financial incentive", it is reimbursement for treatment, that's it. Nobody is making money off COVID deaths. This is just more of your COVID truther bullshit with no evidence to support your claim.


Being reimbursed more for a covid service, than a non-covid service is a financial incentive to report services as covid services.

Obviously.


That is why you first denied that it was happening.


That is why your fact checker site, played word games to be able to call it "not true".
They called the claim not true because the claim was not true. Hospitals are not financially benefiting from COVID.


They played a game with words, making a distinction between being paid for "listing" covid" and being paid for "treating" covid.

Being paid money, is benefitting.


You are painting yourself into a smaller and smaller corner.
Being reimbursed for services rendered is not benefiting. Hospitals are not benefiting from Covid deaths. Stop lying.


Being given money is benefitting.


You have gone full partisan hack here.
You have gone full idiot here. If I perform a service and I get money for that service that is reimbursement not benefiting.


It is both.

Can't believe I have to do this.


noun

  1. 1.
    an advantage or profit gained from something.
It is not them profiting off of Covid. Nobody is profiting off of Covid except maybe Amazon.


If you want accurate numbers to give a clear picture of what is happening, you do not put money into the system like that.
The system youā€™re talking about is hospitals. Hospitals are suffering under this disease both financially and as far as personnel are concerned. Just stop being a lying Covid truther, would you please.
Some hospitals are suffering. Many are doing extraordinarily well. I told you this back in post #210.

Wealthy hospitals rake in U.S. disaster aid for COVID-19 costs

Wealthy hospitals rake in U.S. disaster aid for COVID-19 costs
 
What a terrifying pandemic.
100,000 Americans have died of Covid since the beginning of 2021, jackass.


No, they didn't. That's bullshit.
No, itā€™s true shit

January's death toll has already surpassed the previous record number of fatalities set in December, when over 77,400 people in the U.S. died of Covid-19, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The pandemic has taken more than 79,200 lives so far this month, according to the data.​
You get that we're well into February Seabitch, and the Synthia is a liar.
No shit. If it was almost 80,000 just for January and we are losing 3,000-4,000 a day...can you do the math aptly named one?

those numbers are not real

If you don't have pneumonia you cannot die of covid

and just because you tested positive for covid with pneumonia doesn't mean the covid caused the pneumonia. How likely that is varies on the cycles used on the PCR test.

For most of history a doctor would have said cold/pneumonia or viral pneumonia because it's more hassle than it's worth finding out exactly what virus you've got.
You fucking COVID truthers are nuts and I donā€™t understand your motivation.

Covid truther? lol. Maybe you should remember your education. I can read a data set as well as standardized tests can measure.

PCR tests are not what you think they are, you should know this by now. Massive false positive rate. Well over 50% at 35 cycles which was very common in the US. Although how common is unclear because labs don't report this data

It's been a year pleb

Maybe stop with teh appeals to authority use your head. I've spend the year slapping around phds, you pleb have no idea what you're talking about. Even my ivy league kin. You are clearly not ivy league material.
Please, the only thing you spent a year slapping around is your dick, COVID truther.

Uh huh says the pleb

i'm half south asian. I don't think i need to say anymore about my STEM credentials

statistically the likelyhood of you being on my level academically is almost non existant.

otehr than math people don't come smarter than me

remember your place whitey. Clearly not on top fo the heap
The likelihood of someone lying about their intelligence level on an anonymous board ...100%.

Itā€™s beyond obvious that you are lying.

You think im lying about my ethnicity?

not gonna meet many indians in the states who feel the need to do that
I donā€™t know or care. I do know youā€™re lying about your intelligence level.

ok sure pleb

get out more you fucking shut in. maybe the cognitive dissonance will set in

i assure you if we spoke in person you would not be questioning me you little autist.

You have no idea where to begin trying to defend your bullshit. Next time some one treats like you like shit don't wonder why. You're a vapid little faggot
Yeah, I think I would probably still be questioning your intelligence if we met in person. For sure on the internet youā€™re making shit up.

(Let me clue you in on a little secret, a big tell is the quantity of ad hominems.)


I don't know. He discussed details of the tests that you did not address.
Positive test rates have nothing to do with death rates. People are dying of COVID whether they test positive or not. Nobody is inflating death totals. You COVID truthers are twisted.


What percentage of the death totals, are primarily from covid with co-morbidities as contributing factors, and what percentage are primarily from the co-morbidities with convid as a contributing factor?
The people that have COVID listed on their death certificates died of COVID...like the congressman from Texas. Yes, he had cancer but COVID, not cancer, killed him. If you have cancer and get decapitated in an auto accident, they donā€™t say you died from cancer. Fucking sick ass COVID truthers...
No. Wrong. If you have comorbidities, and cancer is a very big comorbidity, your death is almost certainly a combination of causes. Not just Covid. The fact that the establishment is claiming all these deaths are solely from Covid, should make you suspicious.

Why? Where is the motivation? What would doctors have to gain by inflating COVID deaths? The congressman from Texas was not dying...until he got COVID. Herman Cain was not dying until he got COVID. COVID killed them, not their cancer.
You are terribly uninformed. Hospitals are receiving government funds for every Covid death. If you are unaware of this, you must admit you are uninformed. Get informed before posting.

In addition, do you not think big pharma is making out HUGE from this pandemic? They have a vested interest in promoting Covid deaths, and they control the political class and the MSM with they enormous wealth.
No they aren't. That LIE was debunked ages ago.


Fucking COVID truthers are stupid and dangerous.


Your source does not say that there is not additional payment for covid cases.

"A: Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but "


"Numerous readers have asked us about such claims, some of which imply that hospitals are making money by simply listing patients as having the disease ā€” when in fact the payments referenced are for treating patients."


Wow. Based on the distinction between "listing" and "treating" they are judging that accusation as NOT TRUE?


Hilarious.
Yes, treating the patient costs money and Medicare is reimbursing for those costs.
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses.​
Medicare ā€” the federal health insurance program for Americans 65 and older, a central at-risk population when it comes to COVID-19 ā€” pays hospitals in part using fixed rates at discharge based off a grouping system known as diagnosis-related groups.​
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has classified COVID-19 cases with existing groups for respiratory infections and inflammations. A CMS spokesperson told us exact payments vary, depending on a patientā€™s principal diagnosis and severity, as well as treatments and procedures. There are also geographic variations.​
An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the ā€œaverage Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 ā€¦ was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.ā€​


Your position was that there was no motive to inflate convid cases, and then you denied that more money was given for covid cases, and now that you have been forced to admit that there is more money,

now you are arguing that the money is justified.


My point that there is money as a motive to inflate the numbers has been proven, and even admitted by you.
There is no motivation. Flat rate reimbursement for treatment is hardly motivation. Just like the accusations of "cheating" in the election, you all make these ridiculous claims with ZERO evidence to support them.


Your link to the fact checker, made the claim that the claim of the hospitals getting more money for covid cases was NOT true, based on semantics.


Your fact checker and you, not long ago, were denying that the increased payments existed.
And you still have ZERO proof that deaths are being reported just to get more money. Even the douche bag that originally made the claim walked it back. You Trumpsters have no shame.


Data collected that includes, in reverse order this time, a financial incentive for inflating the numbers, with counted as from, and guesses,


is garbage data.


Yes, I refuse to waste my time digging though the shit to find a link for you, that you will ignore, the way you are ignoring that the money point has been validated.

Being reimbursed for services rendered is not "financial incentive", it is reimbursement for treatment, that's it. Nobody is making money off COVID deaths. This is just more of your COVID truther bullshit with no evidence to support your claim.


Being reimbursed more for a covid service, than a non-covid service is a financial incentive to report services as covid services.

Obviously.


That is why you first denied that it was happening.


That is why your fact checker site, played word games to be able to call it "not true".
They called the claim not true because the claim was not true. Hospitals are not financially benefiting from COVID.


They played a game with words, making a distinction between being paid for "listing" covid" and being paid for "treating" covid.

Being paid money, is benefitting.


You are painting yourself into a smaller and smaller corner.
Being reimbursed for services rendered is not benefiting. Hospitals are not benefiting from Covid deaths. Stop lying.


Being given money is benefitting.


You have gone full partisan hack here.
You have gone full idiot here. If I perform a service and I get money for that service that is reimbursement not benefiting.


It is both.

Can't believe I have to do this.


noun

  1. 1.
    an advantage or profit gained from something.
It is not them profiting off of Covid. Nobody is profiting off of Covid except maybe Amazon.


If you want accurate numbers to give a clear picture of what is happening, you do not put money into the system like that.
The system youā€™re talking about is hospitals. Hospitals are suffering under this disease both financially and as far as personnel are concerned. Just stop being a lying Covid truther, would you please.
Some hospitals are suffering. Many are doing extraordinarily well. I told you this back in post #210.

Wealthy hospitals rake in U.S. disaster aid for COVID-19 costs

Wealthy hospitals rake in U.S. disaster aid for COVID-19 costs
Those hospitals are not getting the money based on reporting COVID deaths as the COVID truthers have been claiming.
 
He's the first sitting member of Congress to die from Covid-19.

Cue the retarded "Duhhhhh, he died from lung cancer, derp derp, derp" comments. Who will be the first?

US Representative Ron Wright dies following COVID-19 diagnosis at 67

Rep. Ron Wright of Texas, who was diagnosed with lung cancer in 2018, has died at the age of 67 after contracting COVID-19, a spokesperson announced on Monday. Wright is the first sitting member of Congress to die after testing positive for the virus. People shared messages of condolences following the news of his death.






Are you still fingering yourself over this?
 
What a terrifying pandemic.
100,000 Americans have died of Covid since the beginning of 2021, jackass.


No, they didn't. That's bullshit.
No, itā€™s true shit

January's death toll has already surpassed the previous record number of fatalities set in December, when over 77,400 people in the U.S. died of Covid-19, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The pandemic has taken more than 79,200 lives so far this month, according to the data.​
You get that we're well into February Seabitch, and the Synthia is a liar.
No shit. If it was almost 80,000 just for January and we are losing 3,000-4,000 a day...can you do the math aptly named one?

those numbers are not real

If you don't have pneumonia you cannot die of covid

and just because you tested positive for covid with pneumonia doesn't mean the covid caused the pneumonia. How likely that is varies on the cycles used on the PCR test.

For most of history a doctor would have said cold/pneumonia or viral pneumonia because it's more hassle than it's worth finding out exactly what virus you've got.
You fucking COVID truthers are nuts and I donā€™t understand your motivation.

Covid truther? lol. Maybe you should remember your education. I can read a data set as well as standardized tests can measure.

PCR tests are not what you think they are, you should know this by now. Massive false positive rate. Well over 50% at 35 cycles which was very common in the US. Although how common is unclear because labs don't report this data

It's been a year pleb

Maybe stop with teh appeals to authority use your head. I've spend the year slapping around phds, you pleb have no idea what you're talking about. Even my ivy league kin. You are clearly not ivy league material.
Please, the only thing you spent a year slapping around is your dick, COVID truther.

Uh huh says the pleb

i'm half south asian. I don't think i need to say anymore about my STEM credentials

statistically the likelyhood of you being on my level academically is almost non existant.

otehr than math people don't come smarter than me

remember your place whitey. Clearly not on top fo the heap
The likelihood of someone lying about their intelligence level on an anonymous board ...100%.

Itā€™s beyond obvious that you are lying.

You think im lying about my ethnicity?

not gonna meet many indians in the states who feel the need to do that
I donā€™t know or care. I do know youā€™re lying about your intelligence level.

ok sure pleb

get out more you fucking shut in. maybe the cognitive dissonance will set in

i assure you if we spoke in person you would not be questioning me you little autist.

You have no idea where to begin trying to defend your bullshit. Next time some one treats like you like shit don't wonder why. You're a vapid little faggot
Yeah, I think I would probably still be questioning your intelligence if we met in person. For sure on the internet youā€™re making shit up.

(Let me clue you in on a little secret, a big tell is the quantity of ad hominems.)


I don't know. He discussed details of the tests that you did not address.
Positive test rates have nothing to do with death rates. People are dying of COVID whether they test positive or not. Nobody is inflating death totals. You COVID truthers are twisted.


What percentage of the death totals, are primarily from covid with co-morbidities as contributing factors, and what percentage are primarily from the co-morbidities with convid as a contributing factor?
The people that have COVID listed on their death certificates died of COVID...like the congressman from Texas. Yes, he had cancer but COVID, not cancer, killed him. If you have cancer and get decapitated in an auto accident, they donā€™t say you died from cancer. Fucking sick ass COVID truthers...
No. Wrong. If you have comorbidities, and cancer is a very big comorbidity, your death is almost certainly a combination of causes. Not just Covid. The fact that the establishment is claiming all these deaths are solely from Covid, should make you suspicious.

Why? Where is the motivation? What would doctors have to gain by inflating COVID deaths? The congressman from Texas was not dying...until he got COVID. Herman Cain was not dying until he got COVID. COVID killed them, not their cancer.
You are terribly uninformed. Hospitals are receiving government funds for every Covid death. If you are unaware of this, you must admit you are uninformed. Get informed before posting.

In addition, do you not think big pharma is making out HUGE from this pandemic? They have a vested interest in promoting Covid deaths, and they control the political class and the MSM with they enormous wealth.
No they aren't. That LIE was debunked ages ago.


Fucking COVID truthers are stupid and dangerous.


Your source does not say that there is not additional payment for covid cases.

"A: Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but "


"Numerous readers have asked us about such claims, some of which imply that hospitals are making money by simply listing patients as having the disease ā€” when in fact the payments referenced are for treating patients."


Wow. Based on the distinction between "listing" and "treating" they are judging that accusation as NOT TRUE?


Hilarious.
Yes, treating the patient costs money and Medicare is reimbursing for those costs.
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses.​
Medicare ā€” the federal health insurance program for Americans 65 and older, a central at-risk population when it comes to COVID-19 ā€” pays hospitals in part using fixed rates at discharge based off a grouping system known as diagnosis-related groups.​
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has classified COVID-19 cases with existing groups for respiratory infections and inflammations. A CMS spokesperson told us exact payments vary, depending on a patientā€™s principal diagnosis and severity, as well as treatments and procedures. There are also geographic variations.​
An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the ā€œaverage Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 ā€¦ was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.ā€​


Your position was that there was no motive to inflate convid cases, and then you denied that more money was given for covid cases, and now that you have been forced to admit that there is more money,

now you are arguing that the money is justified.


My point that there is money as a motive to inflate the numbers has been proven, and even admitted by you.
There is no motivation. Flat rate reimbursement for treatment is hardly motivation. Just like the accusations of "cheating" in the election, you all make these ridiculous claims with ZERO evidence to support them.


Your link to the fact checker, made the claim that the claim of the hospitals getting more money for covid cases was NOT true, based on semantics.


Your fact checker and you, not long ago, were denying that the increased payments existed.
And you still have ZERO proof that deaths are being reported just to get more money. Even the douche bag that originally made the claim walked it back. You Trumpsters have no shame.


Data collected that includes, in reverse order this time, a financial incentive for inflating the numbers, with counted as from, and guesses,


is garbage data.


Yes, I refuse to waste my time digging though the shit to find a link for you, that you will ignore, the way you are ignoring that the money point has been validated.

Being reimbursed for services rendered is not "financial incentive", it is reimbursement for treatment, that's it. Nobody is making money off COVID deaths. This is just more of your COVID truther bullshit with no evidence to support your claim.


Being reimbursed more for a covid service, than a non-covid service is a financial incentive to report services as covid services.

Obviously.


That is why you first denied that it was happening.


That is why your fact checker site, played word games to be able to call it "not true".
They called the claim not true because the claim was not true. Hospitals are not financially benefiting from COVID.


They played a game with words, making a distinction between being paid for "listing" covid" and being paid for "treating" covid.

Being paid money, is benefitting.


You are painting yourself into a smaller and smaller corner.
Being reimbursed for services rendered is not benefiting. Hospitals are not benefiting from Covid deaths. Stop lying.


Being given money is benefitting.


You have gone full partisan hack here.
You have gone full idiot here. If I perform a service and I get money for that service that is reimbursement not benefiting.


It is both.

Can't believe I have to do this.


noun

  1. 1.
    an advantage or profit gained from something.
It is not them profiting off of Covid. Nobody is profiting off of Covid except maybe Amazon.


If you want accurate numbers to give a clear picture of what is happening, you do not put money into the system like that.
The system youā€™re talking about is hospitals. Hospitals are suffering under this disease both financially and as far as personnel are concerned. Just stop being a lying Covid truther, would you please.
Some hospitals are suffering. Many are doing extraordinarily well. I told you this back in post #210.

Wealthy hospitals rake in U.S. disaster aid for COVID-19 costs

Wealthy hospitals rake in U.S. disaster aid for COVID-19 costs
Those hospitals are not getting the money based on reporting COVID deaths as the COVID truthers have been claiming.
Yes they are. Read the links I posted.
 
What a terrifying pandemic.
100,000 Americans have died of Covid since the beginning of 2021, jackass.


No, they didn't. That's bullshit.
No, itā€™s true shit

January's death toll has already surpassed the previous record number of fatalities set in December, when over 77,400 people in the U.S. died of Covid-19, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The pandemic has taken more than 79,200 lives so far this month, according to the data.​
You get that we're well into February Seabitch, and the Synthia is a liar.
No shit. If it was almost 80,000 just for January and we are losing 3,000-4,000 a day...can you do the math aptly named one?

those numbers are not real

If you don't have pneumonia you cannot die of covid

and just because you tested positive for covid with pneumonia doesn't mean the covid caused the pneumonia. How likely that is varies on the cycles used on the PCR test.

For most of history a doctor would have said cold/pneumonia or viral pneumonia because it's more hassle than it's worth finding out exactly what virus you've got.
You fucking COVID truthers are nuts and I donā€™t understand your motivation.

Covid truther? lol. Maybe you should remember your education. I can read a data set as well as standardized tests can measure.

PCR tests are not what you think they are, you should know this by now. Massive false positive rate. Well over 50% at 35 cycles which was very common in the US. Although how common is unclear because labs don't report this data

It's been a year pleb

Maybe stop with teh appeals to authority use your head. I've spend the year slapping around phds, you pleb have no idea what you're talking about. Even my ivy league kin. You are clearly not ivy league material.
Please, the only thing you spent a year slapping around is your dick, COVID truther.

Uh huh says the pleb

i'm half south asian. I don't think i need to say anymore about my STEM credentials

statistically the likelyhood of you being on my level academically is almost non existant.

otehr than math people don't come smarter than me

remember your place whitey. Clearly not on top fo the heap
The likelihood of someone lying about their intelligence level on an anonymous board ...100%.

Itā€™s beyond obvious that you are lying.

You think im lying about my ethnicity?

not gonna meet many indians in the states who feel the need to do that
I donā€™t know or care. I do know youā€™re lying about your intelligence level.

ok sure pleb

get out more you fucking shut in. maybe the cognitive dissonance will set in

i assure you if we spoke in person you would not be questioning me you little autist.

You have no idea where to begin trying to defend your bullshit. Next time some one treats like you like shit don't wonder why. You're a vapid little faggot
Yeah, I think I would probably still be questioning your intelligence if we met in person. For sure on the internet youā€™re making shit up.

(Let me clue you in on a little secret, a big tell is the quantity of ad hominems.)


I don't know. He discussed details of the tests that you did not address.
Positive test rates have nothing to do with death rates. People are dying of COVID whether they test positive or not. Nobody is inflating death totals. You COVID truthers are twisted.


What percentage of the death totals, are primarily from covid with co-morbidities as contributing factors, and what percentage are primarily from the co-morbidities with convid as a contributing factor?
The people that have COVID listed on their death certificates died of COVID...like the congressman from Texas. Yes, he had cancer but COVID, not cancer, killed him. If you have cancer and get decapitated in an auto accident, they donā€™t say you died from cancer. Fucking sick ass COVID truthers...
No. Wrong. If you have comorbidities, and cancer is a very big comorbidity, your death is almost certainly a combination of causes. Not just Covid. The fact that the establishment is claiming all these deaths are solely from Covid, should make you suspicious.

Why? Where is the motivation? What would doctors have to gain by inflating COVID deaths? The congressman from Texas was not dying...until he got COVID. Herman Cain was not dying until he got COVID. COVID killed them, not their cancer.
You are terribly uninformed. Hospitals are receiving government funds for every Covid death. If you are unaware of this, you must admit you are uninformed. Get informed before posting.

In addition, do you not think big pharma is making out HUGE from this pandemic? They have a vested interest in promoting Covid deaths, and they control the political class and the MSM with they enormous wealth.
No they aren't. That LIE was debunked ages ago.


Fucking COVID truthers are stupid and dangerous.


Your source does not say that there is not additional payment for covid cases.

"A: Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but "


"Numerous readers have asked us about such claims, some of which imply that hospitals are making money by simply listing patients as having the disease ā€” when in fact the payments referenced are for treating patients."


Wow. Based on the distinction between "listing" and "treating" they are judging that accusation as NOT TRUE?


Hilarious.
Yes, treating the patient costs money and Medicare is reimbursing for those costs.
The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses.​
Medicare ā€” the federal health insurance program for Americans 65 and older, a central at-risk population when it comes to COVID-19 ā€” pays hospitals in part using fixed rates at discharge based off a grouping system known as diagnosis-related groups.​
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services has classified COVID-19 cases with existing groups for respiratory infections and inflammations. A CMS spokesperson told us exact payments vary, depending on a patientā€™s principal diagnosis and severity, as well as treatments and procedures. There are also geographic variations.​
An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the ā€œaverage Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 ā€¦ was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.ā€​


Your position was that there was no motive to inflate convid cases, and then you denied that more money was given for covid cases, and now that you have been forced to admit that there is more money,

now you are arguing that the money is justified.


My point that there is money as a motive to inflate the numbers has been proven, and even admitted by you.
There is no motivation. Flat rate reimbursement for treatment is hardly motivation. Just like the accusations of "cheating" in the election, you all make these ridiculous claims with ZERO evidence to support them.


Your link to the fact checker, made the claim that the claim of the hospitals getting more money for covid cases was NOT true, based on semantics.


Your fact checker and you, not long ago, were denying that the increased payments existed.
And you still have ZERO proof that deaths are being reported just to get more money. Even the douche bag that originally made the claim walked it back. You Trumpsters have no shame.


Data collected that includes, in reverse order this time, a financial incentive for inflating the numbers, with counted as from, and guesses,


is garbage data.


Yes, I refuse to waste my time digging though the shit to find a link for you, that you will ignore, the way you are ignoring that the money point has been validated.

Being reimbursed for services rendered is not "financial incentive", it is reimbursement for treatment, that's it. Nobody is making money off COVID deaths. This is just more of your COVID truther bullshit with no evidence to support your claim.


Being reimbursed more for a covid service, than a non-covid service is a financial incentive to report services as covid services.

Obviously.


That is why you first denied that it was happening.


That is why your fact checker site, played word games to be able to call it "not true".
They called the claim not true because the claim was not true. Hospitals are not financially benefiting from COVID.


They played a game with words, making a distinction between being paid for "listing" covid" and being paid for "treating" covid.

Being paid money, is benefitting.


You are painting yourself into a smaller and smaller corner.
Being reimbursed for services rendered is not benefiting. Hospitals are not benefiting from Covid deaths. Stop lying.


Being given money is benefitting.


You have gone full partisan hack here.
You have gone full idiot here. If I perform a service and I get money for that service that is reimbursement not benefiting.


It is both.

Can't believe I have to do this.


noun

  1. 1.
    an advantage or profit gained from something.
It is not them profiting off of Covid. Nobody is profiting off of Covid except maybe Amazon.


If you want accurate numbers to give a clear picture of what is happening, you do not put money into the system like that.
The system youā€™re talking about is hospitals. Hospitals are suffering under this disease both financially and as far as personnel are concerned. Just stop being a lying Covid truther, would you please.


The system I am talking about is the system of having people, (and hospitals) reporting covid cases to the CDC so the nation wide numbers can be compiled.


Giving the data collectors a money incentive to find and report one type of number more than others, is bad practice if you want accurate numbers.


Obviously.


Your pretense that that is an unreasonable position, is you being the liar here.
 
Nope. They wanted to stop what they believed to be a fraudulent count.


The one person got shot, was an unarmed protestor, shot by a cop. A woman, shot by a cop. A woman of color.

They wanted to stop what they believed to be a fraudulent count you admit.

Was the Qanon Trump cult woman really a ā€œprotesterā€ when she took the bullet in the chest for Trump when trying to crawl through a broken window to get into the Speakerā€™s lobby and then onto the HOUSE FLOOR as you say to try to violently overturn the election.
 
Nope. They wanted to stop what they believed to be a fraudulent count.


The one person got shot, was an unarmed protestor, shot by a cop. A woman, shot by a cop. A woman of color.

They wanted to stop what they believed to be a fraudulent count you admit.

Was the Qanon Trump cult woman really a ā€œprotesterā€ when she took the bullet in the chest for Trump when trying to crawl through a broken window to get into the Speakerā€™s lobby and then onto the HOUSE FLOOR as you say to try to violently overturn the election.
How were they going to stop the fraud from the capital, liar?
 
He was successfully battling cancer for years...and was dead within weeks of catching the virus

You maybe think cancer got him?
Cancer didn't kill him for two years...until right when he got the rona .

Funny how that works

Cancer is lethal, usually

Funny how that works.... you're grasping, Lush
Really? in 2021 cancer is usually lethal? :heehee: Maybe in the 1950s.

You do understand there are different types of cancer right?
You also understand cancer is more deadly depending on the organs affected right?
You do understand someone with colon cancer has a much higher survival rate than someone with say, uh, lung cancer right?
You post the little hee hee emoji like youā€™re mocking someone when in reality it is you who should be mocked for posting something so mind numbingly stupid.
 
If he was an anti-masking, Trump loving douchebag, then I can only shake my head at his stupidity.

If he took this virus seriously, then this is sad news. Either way, R.I.P.
Republican from Texas. Take a guess.

Diagnosed with lung cancer in 2018. A virus spreading that settles in the lungs. Under doctors care the entire time. Care to take a guess what his doctors prescribed?
 
overblown panic.

The grotesque ignorance in this is repulsive to to point of rage.

I really want folks that post with such abominable ignorance gone from my country. Period.

I guess we have to start with jailing.


I've seen where you people were headed for a long time now. That you want to jail me for disagreeing with me, is no surprise to me.


Your inability to see what a monster you are, is amazing.
Jailing you makes us monsters, but you killing us makes you patriots? Go fuck yourself asshole.


Killing you? What the fuck are you talking about? YOu raving asshole.
The insurrectionists werenā€™t breaking into the Capitol to use the kitchen to make cupcakes.

Wingnuts every day on US Messageboard call for Democrats to be murdered, as the way to make America great. Donā€™t deny it.

Rioters broke in to take a few selfies.
 
Nope. They wanted to stop what they believed to be a fraudulent count.


The one person got shot, was an unarmed protestor, shot by a cop. A woman, shot by a cop. A woman of color.

They wanted to stop what they believed to be a fraudulent count you admit.

Was the Qanon Trump cult woman really a ā€œprotesterā€ when she took the bullet in the chest for Trump when trying to crawl through a broken window to get into the Speakerā€™s lobby and then onto the HOUSE FLOOR as you say to try to violently overturn the election.

You tell me. In your version of english, does this picture make sense?

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