Us conservatives need to admit, but

[candycorn]

watch this
This just in...no WMDs were found in Iraq.

Where were such geniuses as you during the 8 years that Bubba Clintoon was enforcing economic sanctions, enforcing "no fly zones", and lobbing bombs at Baghdad when he needed to get his willy of the front page of the newspaper?

That's right...You were cowering out in the tall grass, if not making excuses for him.

CC your still on ignore, you got through because of a reply
I love doing this


Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

By Samantha L. Quigley
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.
"Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent," he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person's lungs.
The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.

Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

The bottom line is Saddam had to go
The democratic party voted in majority to do just that, October 2002

Love rattling your cage...

No WMDs were found in the unfunded Iraqi war/theater.

 

[hazlnut]

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson

So, who do you see as those 'NOT willing to work'?

 

[candycorn]

Explain to me how one "hoards" wealth please

Explain why it is you can't let anyone else get the last word in...ever.

 

[OKTexas]

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson never said that...it is rightwing dogma

The Right’s Library of Fake Quotes

. When widely syndicated columnist Cal Thomas posted a commentary on his website (1/15/09) opposing federal bailouts, he cited quotes from Thomas Jefferson to bolster his argument:

“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not”; It is incumbent on every generation to pay off its own debts as it goes. A principle, which, if acted on would save us one-half of the wars of the world”; “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them”; and, “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.


Thomas described these quotes as “ancient wisdom,” which, he said, “is almost always better than what people come up with today. Consider that it became ancient because it was wise.”

But consulting The Works of Thomas Jefferson available in full at the Online Liberty Library, as well as the Library of Congress’ online Jefferson site, Ed Darrel of Millard Fillmore’s Bathtub (2/1/09) could find no evidence authenticating any of the quotes. [See correction below.] As Darrel, whose website targets historical falsehood, observed, “Jefferson seem[ed] oddly prescient in these quotes, and, also oddly, rather endorsing the views of the right wing.”

None of the quotes could be authenticated on the Jefferson Library website (Thomas Jefferson) either, which includes the first and the last quotes in Thomas’ column in its list of frequently cited “Spurious Quotations.”

You want some Jefferson quotes try this:

A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.
Thomas Jefferson

or this:

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson

or this:

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson

or this:

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.
Thomas Jefferson

Shall I go on?

 

[Oddball]

Love rattling your cage...

No WMDs were found in the unfunded Iraqi war/theater.

How was that "unfunded" Iraq war theater funded from 1993-2001?

 

[JRK]

Love rattling your cage...

No WMDs were found in the unfunded Iraqi war/theater.

How was that "unfunded" Iraq war theater funded from 1993-2001?

CC has lost it.
Do what I did and ignore him
He is still hung up on a war we have all ready won. It is all he has when it comes to supporting the lefts agenda

 

[hazlnut]

Explain to me how one "hoards" wealth please

Simple:

1) Make money investing in U.S. Economy.

2) Then using a complicated transaction known as variable prepaid forward contract, you pull $250 million out of the market tax free. 0% taxes.

3) Once you've got the money out, you transfer it to an off-shore blind trust or Swiss Bank account.


Want anther example:

1) You pay lobbyist to get congress to create a special tax category that only applies to private equity and hedge fund managers. You call it 'Carried Interest'.

2) When a fund you managed reaches a certain level, you have a performance bonus coming. This is bonus compensation paid to you per your contract. This is not appreciated assets or capital gains which is taxed at 15% -- this is ordinary income.

3) But under this new tax category, created just for people like Mitt Romney, you get to declare this bonus compensation as 'Carried Interest' not ordinary income.

4) That's right. The super-wealthy have invented a tiny little thing in the tax code that allows them to legally declare ordinary income as capital gains. Thus avoiding major taxes.

To really understand how money trickles up through our broken and abused tax code you have to understand in a market economy, the larger an investment is, the higher its rate of return. This is due to both economies of scale and the increased range of investment opportunities.

Those who control greater amounts of capital within a society are able to participate more directly in shaping government policy, often in ways that further maximize their wealth.

Due to both economic and political realities within a market economy, it is a natural process for the wealthiest individuals and firms in a society to become disproportionately wealthier over time.

Why we have a progressive tax code:

In order to prevent the political instability resulting from the natural stratification of the populace into an ever smaller and wealthier aristocracy or moneyed class, and an ever larger working class, free market democracies support progressive taxation and programs to enhance economic opportunity for the lower and middle classes.

 

[rightwinger]

that little event that occurred on 9-11 is why GWB had deficits until 2008 and 2009
The GOP congress balanced the budget and that never changes if not for the changes 9-11 brought us

Actually, this is untrue.

The reason Bush gave for his eponymous tax cuts is because there was supposedly all this extra surplus money laying around after Clinton, and Bush felt that money belonged to the American people.

I hope you'll join me in standing firmly on the side of the people. You see, the growing surplus exists because taxes are too high, and government is charging more than it needs. The people of America have been overcharged, and, on their behalf, I'm here asking for a refund.

By the way, that's an open admission that higher taxes bring higher revenues right there!



The Bush Tax Cuts™ came in two installments. One before 9/11, and one long after.

So why did Bush give that money back to the people when that money was not really there? Why did he give tax cuts that he admitted would lower revenues if he was going to be running half trillion dollar deficits?

Because the GOP is the party of "borrow and spend".

.

It also shouldn't be forgotten that Bush used multiple reasons for the tax cut. Originally, when there WAS a surplus, Bush's 'reasoning' was that the US should return the money to the taxpayer. When the surplus was gone, his 'reasoning' changed...more than once.

The point is that the reason we were given was ALWAYS a manufactured rationale to do what they simply wanted to do, regardless of the economics surrounding the reasons we were offered as an explanation.

This is the reason why conservatives have been mocked as embracing tax cuts as a solution to each and every problem. Give them half an opportunity, and conservative Republicans will create an argument to support tax cuts as a solution to any economic problem...even when a tax cut will worsen the very deficit they say is in dire need of being reigned in.

The amazing part is that after 9-11 and two wars, Bush still found a justification for tax cuts

The party of fiscal responsibility

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Us conservatives?

Atrocious grammar.

.

Not just poor grammar ...

From the second line on, much of it was gobbledegook and lies.

WHERE do you rw's GET this crap?

 

[rightwinger]

Explain to me how one "hoards" wealth please

Simple:

1) Make money investing in U.S. Economy.

2) Then using a complicated transaction known as variable prepaid forward contract, you pull $250 million out of the market tax free. 0% taxes.

3) Once you've got the money out, you transfer it to an off-shore blind trust or Swiss Bank account.


Want anther example:

1) You pay lobbyist to get congress to create a special tax category that only applies to private equity and hedge fund managers. You call it 'Carried Interest'.

2) When a fund you managed reaches a certain level, you have a performance bonus coming. This is bonus compensation paid to you per your contract. This is not appreciated assets or capital gains which is taxed at 15% -- this is ordinary income.

3) But under this new tax category, created just for people like Mitt Romney, you get to declare this bonus compensation as 'Carried Interest' not ordinary income.

4) That's right. The super-wealthy have invented a tiny little thing in the tax code that allows them to legally declare ordinary income as capital gains. Thus avoiding major taxes.

To really understand how money trickles up through our broken and abused tax code you have to understand in a market economy, the larger an investment is, the higher its rate of return. This is due to both economies of scale and the increased range of investment opportunities.

Those who control greater amounts of capital within a society are able to participate more directly in shaping government policy, often in ways that further maximize their wealth.

Due to both economic and political realities within a market economy, it is a natural process for the wealthiest individuals and firms in a society to become disproportionately wealthier over time.

Why we have a progressive tax code:

In order to prevent the political instability resulting from the natural stratification of the populace into an ever smaller and wealthier aristocracy or moneyed class, and an ever larger working class, free market democracies support progressive taxation and programs to enhance economic opportunity for the lower and middle classes.

The Golden Rule: He who has the Gold, makes the rules

 

[rightwinger]

I keep more wealth, I create wealth

Hoarding wealth is not creating wealth.

Physical labor creates wealth, not financial manipulation.

hoarding wealth?
As the Wall Street Journal’s Stephen Moore illuminates in his 2008 book “The End of Prosperity” (Threshold Editions), Mr. Bush’s 2001 tax cuts failed to revive an economy still staggering from the bursting of the dot-com bubble. Mr. Bush’s strategy had been to adopt a demand-side, Keynesian stimulus, hoping that putting a few extra dollars in Americans’ pockets would jump-start the economy through increased consumption. This approach faltered, not just because Americans opted to save their rebates, but because it neglected the importance of business investment to overall growth. Predictably, the economy lagged and government revenues stagnated. What the United States needed then (and needs now) was to stimulate investment, not consumption.
By 2003, Mr. Bush grasped this lesson. In that year, he cut the dividend and capital gains rates to 15 percent each, and the economy responded. In two years, stocks rose 20 percent. In three years, $15 trillion of new wealth was created. The U.S. economy added 8 million new jobs from mid-2003 to early 2007, and the median household increased its wealth by $20,000 in real terms.
But the real jolt for tax-cutting opponents was that the 03 Bush tax cuts also generated a massive increase in federal tax receipts. From 2004 to 2007, federal tax revenues increased by $785 billion, the largest four-year increase in American history. According to the Treasury Department, individual and corporate income tax receipts were up 40 percent in the three years following the Bush tax cuts. And (bonus) the rich paid an even higher percentage of the total tax burden than they had at any time in at least the previous 40 years. This was news to theNew York Times, whose astonished editorial board could only describe the gains as a “surprise windfall.”


Read more: DWYER: Bush tax cuts boosted federal revenue - Washington Times DWYER: Bush tax cuts boosted federal revenue - Washington Times
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this proves my point

Damn.....that is the third consecutive time you posted that drivel

Do you even know what it means?

 

[rightwinger]

Love rattling your cage...

No WMDs were found in the unfunded Iraqi war/theater.

How was that "unfunded" Iraq war theater funded from 1993-2001?

There were no tax appropriations to pay for the war. In fact, Bush took the entire war off-budget so it didn't count against his deficit

 

[Oddball]

Explain to me how one "hoards" wealth please

Simple:

1) Make money investing in U.S. Economy.

2) Then using a complicated transaction known as variable prepaid forward contract, you pull $250 million out of the market tax free. 0% taxes.

3) Once you've got the money out, you transfer it to an off-shore blind trust or Swiss Bank account.


Want anther example:

1) You pay lobbyist to get congress to create a special tax category that only applies to private equity and hedge fund managers. You call it 'Carried Interest'.

2) When a fund you managed reaches a certain level, you have a performance bonus coming. This is bonus compensation paid to you per your contract. This is not appreciated assets or capital gains which is taxed at 15% -- this is ordinary income.

3) But under this new tax category, created just for people like Mitt Romney, you get to declare this bonus compensation as 'Carried Interest' not ordinary income.

4) That's right. The super-wealthy have invented a tiny little thing in the tax code that allows them to legally declare ordinary income as capital gains. Thus avoiding major taxes.

To really understand how money trickles up through our broken and abused tax code you have to understand in a market economy, the larger an investment is, the higher its rate of return. This is due to both economies of scale and the increased range of investment opportunities.

Those who control greater amounts of capital within a society are able to participate more directly in shaping government policy, often in ways that further maximize their wealth.

Due to both economic and political realities within a market economy, it is a natural process for the wealthiest individuals and firms in a society to become disproportionately wealthier over time.

Why we have a progressive tax code:

In order to prevent the political instability resulting from the natural stratification of the populace into an ever smaller and wealthier aristocracy or moneyed class, and an ever larger working class, free market democracies support progressive taxation and programs to enhance economic opportunity for the lower and middle classes.

So that's how super-wealthy liberoidal douchebags like the Kennedys, Rockefellers, Daytons, Kohls and Buffett do it!

This begs the question: If its' so easy for those liberoidal douchebags to do, why don't liberoidal douchebags like you do it too?

 

[rightwinger]

Explain to me how one "hoards" wealth please

Simple:

1) Make money investing in U.S. Economy.

2) Then using a complicated transaction known as variable prepaid forward contract, you pull $250 million out of the market tax free. 0% taxes.

3) Once you've got the money out, you transfer it to an off-shore blind trust or Swiss Bank account.


Want anther example:

1) You pay lobbyist to get congress to create a special tax category that only applies to private equity and hedge fund managers. You call it 'Carried Interest'.

2) When a fund you managed reaches a certain level, you have a performance bonus coming. This is bonus compensation paid to you per your contract. This is not appreciated assets or capital gains which is taxed at 15% -- this is ordinary income.

3) But under this new tax category, created just for people like Mitt Romney, you get to declare this bonus compensation as 'Carried Interest' not ordinary income.

4) That's right. The super-wealthy have invented a tiny little thing in the tax code that allows them to legally declare ordinary income as capital gains. Thus avoiding major taxes.

To really understand how money trickles up through our broken and abused tax code you have to understand in a market economy, the larger an investment is, the higher its rate of return. This is due to both economies of scale and the increased range of investment opportunities.

Those who control greater amounts of capital within a society are able to participate more directly in shaping government policy, often in ways that further maximize their wealth.

Due to both economic and political realities within a market economy, it is a natural process for the wealthiest individuals and firms in a society to become disproportionately wealthier over time.

Why we have a progressive tax code:

In order to prevent the political instability resulting from the natural stratification of the populace into an ever smaller and wealthier aristocracy or moneyed class, and an ever larger working class, free market democracies support progressive taxation and programs to enhance economic opportunity for the lower and middle classes.

So that's how super-wealthy liberoidal douchebags like the Kennedys, Rockefellers, Daytons, Kohls and Buffett do it!

This begs the question: If its' so easy for those liberoidal douchebags to do, why don't liberoidal douchebags like you do it too?

You need millions of dollars to move around to take advantage of these tax perks

Mom and Pop investors need not apply

 

[Oddball]

Norton, you are a mental case.

 

[rightwinger]

Norton, you are a mental case.

Well Oddball/Dude maybe you can explain to the rest of us how Mom and Pop investor can take advantage of the investment perks available to the super wealthy

 

[Oddball]

Maybe you can 'splain why it is that you don't give a flying fuck about how the richest of the rich shelter their incomprehensible wealth, as long as they have that (D) by their names.

C'mon...You can do it.

 

[candycorn]

Love rattling your cage...

No WMDs were found in the unfunded Iraqi war/theater.

How was that "unfunded" Iraq war theater funded from 1993-2001?

It started in 2003. Sorry. And no WMDs were found, Right JeRK?

 

[Oddball]

Love rattling your cage...

No WMDs were found in the unfunded Iraqi war/theater.

How was that "unfunded" Iraq war theater funded from 1993-2001?

It started in 2003. Sorry. And no WMDs were found, Right JeRK?

No, it started in 1991...And Bubba did nothing to reverse Poppy Bush's course....In fact, he signed the bill making regime change in Iraq official federal policy in 1998.

I know that you know how to take off the partisan hack blinders...How about trying it now?

 

[candycorn]

How was that "unfunded" Iraq war theater funded from 1993-2001?

It started in 2003. Sorry. And no WMDs were found, Right JeRK?

No, it started in 1991...And Bubba did nothing to reverse Poppy Bush's course....In fact, he signed the bill making regime change in Iraq official federal policy in 1998.

I know that you know how to take off the partisan hack blinders...How about trying it now?

Clinton didn't find any WMDs either...of course he wasn't fighting over there--he was balancing the budget. Ahh...the good ol days.