Unions: The New 'Dinosaurs'?

[thanatos144]

Good god Edward. In your ideal world we would have been better off going through the industrial revolution w/o the formation of labor unions?

How do you know we wouldn't have?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Good god Edward. In your ideal world we would have been better off going through the industrial revolution w/o the formation of labor unions?

How do you know we wouldn't have?

Yes, all unions ever did back in the day was contribute to starvation in America by driving up prices with their high wages when most Americans were very very poor and could ill afford the higher liberal union prices.

Is that too over a liberals head??

 

[Toronado3800]

Good god Edward. In your ideal world we would have been better off going through the industrial revolution w/o the formation of labor unions?

How do you know we wouldn't have?

Yes, all unions ever did back in the day was contribute to starvation in America by driving up prices with their high wages when most Americans were very very poor and could ill afford the higher liberal union prices.

Is that too over a liberals head??

Broaden your perspective. Unions were part of the.movement that created our.health and safety rules as well as the middle class.

Pre union industrial America was not a small government dream anyways. Either Pa Ingalls was getting government land grants (a huge program which did work!) or the railroad was getting government land grants which are being sold off to this day.

I prefer OSHA and minumum wage laws of government vs having toblet Unions fight for everything. Strange you don't support unions in that respect. Or do you oppose the OSHA and wage regulations?

 

[Toronado3800]

Good god Edward. In your ideal world we would have been better off going through the industrial revolution w/o the formation of labor unions?

How do you know we wouldn't have?

I look at Russia and fear the socialist revolution which we avoided!

Really did anyplace make it through the industrial age without unions? Anyplace in Europe? Japan maybe? Mexico now? I have no time to research while on break.

 

[thanatos144]

Good god Edward. In your ideal world we would have been better off going through the industrial revolution w/o the formation of labor unions?

How do you know we wouldn't have?

I look at Russia and fear the socialist revolution which we avoided!

Really did anyplace make it through the industrial age without unions? Anyplace in Europe? Japan maybe? Mexico now? I have no time to research while on break.

people get infested with lice that doesn't mean it is a good thing. You seem to think Union were the reason that people got together and demanded change....That isnt what happened . People demanded change and AFTER they got it they formed unions to keep that change. Then after the government took up the cause of these people the union did what it always does. It fed off of the workers and tried like hell for the next 60 years to keep those darkies out of the line. Or perhaps you didnt know about the unions racist roots? The First NRA wasn't about rifles.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. People demanded change and AFTER they got it they formed unions to keep that change. .

Hate to disagree with someone who's almost always right.
But, change happens because of capitalism. Just as a business must offer the best quality at the lowest price in the world to its customers, it must do the same to its workers.

Its the way capitalism works and thats why it immediately reversed 5 million years of abject poverty the second it was introduced.

 

[thanatos144]

. People demanded change and AFTER they got it they formed unions to keep that change. .

Hate to disagree with someone who's almost always right.
But, change happens because of capitalism. Just as a business must offer the best quality at the lowest price in the world to its customers, it must do the same to its workers.

Its the way capitalism works and thats why it immediately reversed 5 million years of abject poverty the second it was introduced.

Has nothing to do with the forming of unions in the industrial age......How they got change was to make it to expensive to NOT give in to them...That is capitalism.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. People demanded change and AFTER they got it they formed unions to keep that change. .

Hate to disagree with someone who's almost always right.
But, change happens because of capitalism. Just as a business must offer the best quality at the lowest price in the world to its customers, it must do the same to its workers.

Its the way capitalism works and thats why it immediately reversed 5 million years of abject poverty the second it was introduced.

Has nothing to do with the forming of unions in the industrial age......How they got change was to make it to expensive to NOT give in to them...That is capitalism.

no, they used the government Wagner Act etc to get established, not capitalism

 

[thanatos144]

Hate to disagree with someone who's almost always right.
But, change happens because of capitalism. Just as a business must offer the best quality at the lowest price in the world to its customers, it must do the same to its workers.

Its the way capitalism works and thats why it immediately reversed 5 million years of abject poverty the second it was introduced.

Has nothing to do with the forming of unions in the industrial age......How they got change was to make it to expensive to NOT give in to them...That is capitalism.

no, they used the government Wagner Act etc to get established, not capitalism

That was after.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Has nothing to do with the forming of unions in the industrial age......How they got change was to make it to expensive to NOT give in to them...That is capitalism.

no, they used the government Wagner Act etc to get established, not capitalism

That was after.

without liberal governemnt support owners did not have to have recognize unions, bargain with them , let them on their property, etc

 

[thanatos144]

no, they used the government Wagner Act etc to get established, not capitalism

That was after.

without liberal governemnt support owners did not have to have recognize unions, bargain with them , let them on their property, etc

Regulation is what governments do. It is when it gets out of hand that we have problems. Total freedom with out boundaries is anarchy and that always leads to fascism of some sort.

 

[regent]

In a democracy the name of the game is to organize, with organization it is not one voice but many and with many voices there is power.
Doctors organize, companies organize, labor organizes, teachers organize, manufacturers organize, veterans organize, retired people organize, nurses organize, clerks organize, psychiatrists organize, taxpayers organize, motorists organize, politicians organize, and on and on. We are a nation of organzations, and labor was always organized going back to the early guilds.
In any case labor unions are now considered part of America. Treat labor badly and unions grow, treat labor fairly and unions diminish.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

In any case labor unions are now considered part of America.

of course to libertarians they are evil and should be made illegal again because:

1) They raise prices so those not in unions get poorer because of the high priced union junk they must buy. No net benefit is possible to workers.

2) Unions drove perhaps 30 million jobs off shore with their high wages. No net benefit to workers is possible.

3) Unions encourage people to get ahead through violence rather than by being worth more in the market place.

4) Politicians encourage unions as a source of money and votes, but politicians, unions, and non-union workers who suppport unions don't have the IQ to know that no net benefit to workers or consumers is possible through unions.



5) also, if Americans have to pay for high priced liberal union made junk, for example, they can afford to buy less stuff and so factories would close creating unemployment here!! Econ 101. The poorer unions make us the less we buy and the more unemployment we have.

 

[Toronado3800]

So Edward, you like having big government in charge of workplace safety and hours of work laws?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So Edward, you like having big government in charge of workplace safety and hours of work laws?

conservatives and libertarians are generally oppposed. Are you so slow as to not know that???

 

[Toronado3800]

So Edward, you like having big government in charge of workplace safety and hours of work laws?

conservatives and libertarians are generally oppposed. Are you so slow as to not know that???

Your lack of an ability to answer with a yes or no is amazing. Do you have an opinion?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So Edward, you like having big government in charge of workplace safety and hours of work laws?

conservatives and libertarians are generally oppposed. Are you so slow as to not know that???

Your lack of an ability to answer with a yes or no is amazing. Do you have an opinion?

conservatives and libertarians are generally oppposed and have been for 100 years. Are you so slow as to not know that and why they are opposed???

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Do you have an opinion?

no, only the conservative /libertarian philosophy. If you have an objection to the philosophy please state it or admit as a liberal you lack the IQ to do so.

 

[Toronado3800]

So Edward, you like having big government in charge of workplace safety and hours of work laws?

conservatives and libertarians are generally oppposed. Are you so slow as to not know that???

So as a blind follower w/o an opinion what do your overlords think? Do they believe in no regulations or what?

How do I have to ask a question to get you to answer?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Do they believe in no regulations or what?

too stupid!! any half educated person would know that conservatives and libertarians believe in capitalist regulations which are so severe that they produce the highest standards of living in human history.

Liberals believe in socialist regulation because they lack the IQ to understand how capitalism works despite socialisms deadly failures.