Union Bosses ..1%ers

[theDoctorisIn]

Well.. I guess it's good to be Kings...an awakening perhaps...

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What do labor union bosses and government bureaucrats have in common? They both go on expensive “junkets” to tropical places on someone else’s dime. This time it’s union bosses representing New York municipal workers soaking up the sun and buying $9 beers in Puerto Rico. Must be nice.

According to The New York Post, some of the workers aren’t exactly thrilled that their union dues are funding this little vacation.

As union bosses continued livin’ it up in the Puerto Rican sun yesterday, municipal workers getting soaked by New York’s cold rain were livid that their hard-earned money was funding the leaders’ Caribbean “convention.”

“There goes our union dues!” fumed a furious Local 3 electrician. “They paid for that junket with union dues.”

“I’ve worked for 10 months in the last two years. I’m getting laid off at the end of the year,” the electrician railed. “I have no use for the union. All I see is waste, corruption and hypocrisy.”

At an Upper West Side firehouse, a member of New York’s Bravest, who was working in the rain, said in amazement, “We’re all based here in New York anyway, so why would they spend all that money on going someplace else? They could have just had it here.”

New York Union Bosses Living Large on Puerto Rican Vacation | The Lonely Conservative

That's different. Somehow. It just is.

Right, USMB lefties?

I don't think it's different. Do you?

Or does "class warfare" only apply when it's CEO salary we're talking about, not "Union Boss"?

 

[daveman]

Unions are Corporations. And they routinely sell their workers out. Look at all these horrific trade deals the Unions went along with over the years. They simply went along so they could please their Democratic Party masters who were pushing them. They have completely sold their workers out. And the Bosses have gotten very rich in the process.

Unions have become that which they were formed to protect workers against: Organizations that exploit workers for money.

 

[daveman]

vested interest in the workplace.... What a crock.

Vested interest in their pension, its always been fuck the workplace.

says the clueless, biased asshole

I have found that the ones with the strongest opinions against unions are the ones that have never belonged to one. They are truly clueless as to what they do and don't do.

It has to be jealousy.

I was in two unions. Neither one benefited me at all.

And the single laziest human being I ever worked with...well, I worked, he didn't...was a proud member of the UMW.

 

[daveman]

Those places that offer jobs @ $10 per hour should not be allowed to call them JOBS for they are anything but.

Working in exchange for money...what the hell WOULD you call it?

 

[daveman]

Of course if my kid worked for $10 I'd tell him put it on "coast". Do what you have to do and thats it. Gotta wisen him up to the workforce. Pretend to pay me I pretend to work. Motto we all need to live by.

So you want your kid to be a slacker, too.

My, such grand aspirations.

 

[daveman]

Of course if my kid worked for $10 I'd tell him put it on "coast". Do what you have to do and thats it. Gotta wisen him up to the workforce. Pretend to pay me I pretend to work. Motto we all need to live by.

Well... I would never tell my kid to "put it on coast". I have been a hard worker all my life and I've tried to instill that work ethic into my kids. But that's me. I've worked shitty jobs where I got paid minimum wage doing shit most people wouldn't touch... Cleaning out a creosote pit for a company that made telephone poles as a young adult comes to mind... dirty as hell, burning skin, and not much to show for it come payday. But No matter where I have worked, I gave it my all.

The only thing that "coasting" does is give the right wing ammunition to say "see, shitty workers don't deserve to get paid". Nope... I'd rather bust my ass and then fight for better pay, knowing that I've taken the high road.

Actually, shitty workers don't deserve to get paid. They deserve to be fired so someone willing to work can have the job.

 

[Lumpy 1]

I think you'll find that Union Bosses and CEOs are equally wasteful of other people's money.

I wouldn't doubt it.

But the opposite doesn't make sense either - to complain about the incomes of Union bosses and politicians, but scream against "class envy" when anyone mentions CEOs.

The money legally earned CEO's vs money legally stolen and waisted presents a conflict, wouldn't you say?

How do you decide whether money has been "legally earned" or "legally stolen"?

I think you should start a thread to answer that Question..

 

[thereisnospoon]

You see... you dumbasses STILL think that we want the 1%ers to be reduced to the Middle Class... because that's what the boys on FOX and AM radio keep telling you. Once again... at the risk of being ever so redundant... you're idiots.

We don't want rich people NOT to be rich. We're just sick of their tax games where it works out that we end up paying more than they do, they see their incomes and wealth increase exponentially, while we struggle to survive.

You keep hearing "class warfare" and you repeat it like fuckin' parrots. I don't give a shit if it's a CEO of Haliburton or the CEO of SEIU, or the President of the United States. They are getting a shit ton of pandering by the tax system and by society in general. They are the most pandered group in the country. They need to be the ones to bolster the Middle and Working Class. End the Corporate Welfare, get the money out of politics(yes... Unions too), and get the vast majority of our citizens in the black and buying shit again.... that's the ONLY way this economy is ever going to recover.

That means higher wages and better benefits.... either through taxation(National Health Care) or employers providing it.... it's too damned expensive for a family of four that has an Income of 30K(before taxes) to pay 12k of that out just in case they get sick.

You are either an exception to the class envy people who make allowances for wealthy people who share the liberal ideology or you are truly of independent thought here.
Let's assume you are the latter.
Sadly many on your side are the former.

 

[thereisnospoon]

How many union members are there in the United States?

about 7% of the overall work force of 130 million....about 9.1 million...give or take. ANd that number continues to shrink.....IN the 1960's union membership was about 33%. That was the peak. During the last 40 to 50 years, union membership has fallen by 80%.
The problem for the most part is not the rank and file. The problem with unions is the greed of the officers at the top and the archaic "us vs them" mentality driven into the minds of the workers.
Also, stupid work rules which slow productivity, ensure preservation of redundant and unnecessary job positions and of course the idea that going to your job is not to work and produce but to "put in your time"...
These and other reasons why unions have run themselves out of business.

 

[thereisnospoon]

All unions are not the same.

Nope..there are unions for trades, for unskilled workers, for educators for public employees and for entertainers
Essentially all unions operate in the same manner. They represent worker interests in contract negotiations between labor and management. All unions establish work rules and rules of conduct for the workers. They negotiate rates of pay. They all have the same outlook regarding productivity which is they do not want productivity to be too successful.
I come from the NY Metro area. I have seen how unions operate. I was in a union. Two in fact. I despised the mindset unions created among workers. All they did was bitch. The moment you ask a question about why unions did this or that, the other workers looked at you like you were upsetting their little apple cart. You didn't ask questions. You just did what the union told you and shut up about it. Fuck that. It's communism and a welfare state.
I left my last union shop and vowed to never take another union job ever again.
All these pinky ring wearing douche bags did was take our money and live like kings. All the union delegates and bosses are well off. They all lived in the suburbs in large homes and drove expensive cars. These are perhaps the most grossly overpaid people on the planet. Not because they got paid a lot. Because they didn't earn it. All they did was sponge off the very same workers they swore to protect. Bullshit, just like any other business, unions operate in their own self interest.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not talking about safety. I am talking about compensation. Besides... all those SAFETY regulations came about because of Unions. But don't worry, if you get your wish... Big money will lobby to erode those regulations too, and they will be unopposed because you idiots killed the voice of the worker.

you are incapable of simple English comprehension it appears.

YOU said Workers rights, I'd say a right to not just fair wages and hours but safety is important too, no?

you are just throwing crap at the wall, Ohsa and its off shoot that does the bulk of the research, NIOSH were created in 1970 by Nixon.

The EEOC, DFEH, are workers rights orgs. aside from SEPARATE safety, that is why I MENTIONED THEM, read what I write not what you want it to say.

blah, blah, blah.... it doesn't matter WHO created them... Unions are the entities that FOUGHT FOR THEM.... and won. It certainly wasn't the product of the "Free Market" that won those rules and regulations to protect workers. Think about what you wrote instead of just writing.

We should all kneel at the union altar and salute the union flag, yes?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The money legally earned CEO's vs money legally stolen and waisted presents a conflict, wouldn't you say?

How do you decide whether money has been "legally earned" or "legally stolen"?

I think you should start a thread to answer that Question..

Eh. I find it more interesting to ask questions than to try to answer them.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You better believe class warfare is alive. Its a big part of capitalism. Right now there is a nationwide effort to kill unions and lower wages. I really dont care about unions, but I do believe that there is a large group of very wealthy people who want to see workers get less but produce more. Its pretty clear for anyone to see. And to me it comes from both parties. Those people call themselves Christians too. I have news for them. They are the biggest hypocrites this country has. We live in a plutocracy. Plain and simple.

Yeah ok...You go on believing that. You have no evidence other than a silly chart.
Unions are not being killed. They are killing themselves.
The union business model is archaic.

 

[Lumpy 1]

You better believe class warfare is alive. Its a big part of capitalism. Right now there is a nationwide effort to kill unions and lower wages. I really dont care about unions, but I do believe that there is a large group of very wealthy people who want to see workers get less but produce more. Its pretty clear for anyone to see. And to me it comes from both parties. Those people call themselves Christians too. I have news for them. They are the biggest hypocrites this country has. We live in a plutocracy. Plain and simple.

Yeah ok...You go on believing that. You have no evidence other than a silly chart.
Unions are not being killed. They are killing themselves.
The union business model is archaic.

"The union business model is archaic."

mmm. interesting angle...rep for you..

 

[thereisnospoon]

" Do your son a favor and be still. "

Nope. Gonna let him know that all the hard work in the world will enable to you skim by. Thats it. No more. If he elects to work 80 hours per week, he wont reap the benefits. All one can do in this country is hope to barely get by. Those are the facts and NOBODY, I mean NOBODY, can dispute this. It is an undeniable fact. I worked my butt off for 27 years for the same stupid company. Gave up weekends, holidays, my kids sporting events to meet with clients, go on flights, etc. And do you know what? This is for people like you, THEY STILL OWE ME. Yes I am retired, yes I own my own house its bought and paid for. BUT THAT COMPANY STILL OWES ME. Except, they went UNDER. GONE. GREATEST DAY OF MY LIFE HEARING OF THEIR DEMISE. Talk about company leaders who did NOTHING to earn their way to the top. It surely isnt hard work that gets one to the top in alot of cases.

Newsflash. You were paid, you received benefits and pension. They owe you precisely dick.
Your union negotiated your wages and benefits. You made a conscious decision to take the job and accept the conditions of the job.
YOU and those like you are the problem. You think people owe you. Nobody owes anyone.
You decided to miss your kids events and activities. That's part of being a provider. Making sacrifices for your children. If you wanted to be there for all those things, you should have chosen another occupation.
Now, you have regrets and are whining about it. Go ahead and complain. No one is listening.
You did you r thing, you are retired. You did quite well for yourself. It's all about you. For a moment show some decency and think of others who do not have it so well.
There's lots of us.

 

[daveman]

Of course if my kid worked for $10 I'd tell him put it on "coast". Do what you have to do and thats it. Gotta wisen him up to the workforce. Pretend to pay me I pretend to work. Motto we all need to live by.

Well... I would never tell my kid to "put it on coast". I have been a hard worker all my life and I've tried to instill that work ethic into my kids. But that's me. I've worked shitty jobs where I got paid minimum wage doing shit most people wouldn't touch... Cleaning out a creosote pit for a company that made telephone poles as a young adult comes to mind... dirty as hell, burning skin, and not much to show for it come payday. But No matter where I have worked, I gave it my all.

The only thing that "coasting" does is give the right wing ammunition to say "see, shitty workers don't deserve to get paid". Nope... I'd rather bust my ass and then fight for better pay, knowing that I've taken the high road.

Actually, shitty workers don't deserve to get paid. They deserve to be fired so someone willing to work can have the job.

Our new member Hugidwyn from Russia has seen fit to neg rep me for this post, subsequently wishing me and my children would get cancer and die.

I expect he's one of the shitty workers I said should be fired.

To clarify: He deducted a devastating 0 points from my rep. I doubt I shall have to get cancer to die; the shame and remorse will be my doom.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Welll... there you go again cumslurper...Thinking again. My union (AFSCME) has a PAC that is strictly voluntary. No membership dues go into it. I have a feeling that is the case for most unions... but it's much more convenient for you to believe otherwise.

BTW... ONCE AGAIN... why is it OK for Corporations to throw Billions of Dollars at politicians, but it's not OK for Labor?

oh! you have a feeling dew ewe! that's great. I mock you.

Well.. I know for a fact my union has a separate fund for Political Contributions... Which is 100% more than your assertions... Mock away stinklips.

Separate fund......LOL.. Who the fuck do you think funds THAT? The sky?
C'mon dude...
Labor unions contribute hundreds of millions of dollars to political donations. 95% to democrats and the DNC. Who the fuck are you trying to kid.
If you think you are going to get away with trying to convince us that the AFSCME PAC is not funded by union dues , you must be living in a parallel universe. Cuz guess what? The Brooklyn Bridge is NOT for sale.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The truth of the matter is both sides have immovable ideals. It's just a matter of numbers. Some liberals are just as bad as MOST conservatives. Take myself for instance. I am 100% pro-labor. I find the condition of Hard working, blue collar Americans appalling. There is simply no place for them in today's America... because the Conglomerate decided they weren't worth sustaining. They sold their jobs to the lowest bidder. It's as if they look down upon anyone who makes their living by the sweat of their brow as "inferior" and not worth paying a decent wage to.... and they've developed this marketing campaign to get as many people as possible to buy in to their line of thinking(as is evident on this board).

Those people are no longer Citizens of the Greatest Country that ever was. They are a tier below Citizens and deserve no sympathy or even EMPATHY from anyone(according to the far right). Yeah... they may not be the brightest bulbs in the box... but they were honest, hard working and gave their souls to their employers... but if you really think about it, those employers decided to take the "Fast money" and to enjoy the perks that come along with it, rather than take the extended view(which is fast approaching) of "workers who have money... spend money".

They will pay for their lack of patience. Because as more and more people have less and less disposable income... their profits will suffer mightily. Make no mistake... Greed at the top is to blame for most of our country's economic woes.

I submit that there is a lack of both blue and white collar skilled and highly skilled labor in this country and that is the main reason why foreigners are coming here and gaining employment and other employment is going over seas. Additionally manufacturing in particular is going where it cannot be smothered by an overbearing federal government with it's high taxes and crushing regulations.
IN the building trades, there are no craftsmen being educated. The blame goes on the public educational system itself. There is no or very little curriculum for developing skilled labor where people work with their hands. Auto and truck mechanics, wood and metal fabricators, cabinet and fine wood crafting carpenters, plumbers, painters..You name it. These jobs are not being filled because no one is teaching young people. The public schools are 100% focused on sending kids to college. That's wrong.

 

[Hugidwyn]

Well... I would never tell my kid to "put it on coast". I have been a hard worker all my life and I've tried to instill that work ethic into my kids. But that's me. I've worked shitty jobs where I got paid minimum wage doing shit most people wouldn't touch... Cleaning out a creosote pit for a company that made telephone poles as a young adult comes to mind... dirty as hell, burning skin, and not much to show for it come payday. But No matter where I have worked, I gave it my all.

The only thing that "coasting" does is give the right wing ammunition to say "see, shitty workers don't deserve to get paid". Nope... I'd rather bust my ass and then fight for better pay, knowing that I've taken the high road.

Actually, shitty workers don't deserve to get paid. They deserve to be fired so someone willing to work can have the job.

Our new member Hugidwyn from Russia has seen fit to neg rep me for this post, subsequently wishing me and my children would get cancer and die.

I expect he's one of the shitty workers I said should be fired.

To clarify: He deducted a devastating 0 points from my rep. I doubt I shall have to get cancer to die; the shame and remorse will be my doom.

If you look at the statistics of the World Health Organization's cancer, then for every 100 cancer cases accounted for 90 cases in the U.S..

So you have a very big chance to get sick.

 

[daveman]

Actually, shitty workers don't deserve to get paid. They deserve to be fired so someone willing to work can have the job.

Our new member Hugidwyn from Russia has seen fit to neg rep me for this post, subsequently wishing me and my children would get cancer and die.

I expect he's one of the shitty workers I said should be fired.

To clarify: He deducted a devastating 0 points from my rep. I doubt I shall have to get cancer to die; the shame and remorse will be my doom.

If you look at the statistics of the World Health Organization's cancer, then for every 100 cancer cases accounted for 90 cases in the U.S..

So you have a very big chance to get sick.

The only problem with that is you wished me and my children would get cancer and die.

The only reason you're alive is because the United States didn't see fit to vaporize your country. Remember that.