Ukrainian Nazis.

[Ringo]

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[gipper]

Oh yes, that is why what so many are calling "Ukrainian Nazis" are fighting for a Jewish President.

You keep posting that shit, but it’s still means exactly nothing.

 

[JohnDB]

Russian mortar training:

 

[Deadstick]

Oh yes, that is why what so many are calling "Ukrainian Nazis" are fighting for a Jewish President.

What does that have to do with anything? some of those Nazi militia were financed by jewish Oligarchs.

Historian claims Hitler personally approved officers of Jewish descent to fight for Nazis

ADOLF HITLER personally allowed at least 77 army officers of Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause…

www.irishtimes.com

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You keep posting that shit, but it’s still means exactly nothing.

It means every thing for which you oppose, you loser.

 

[Mushroom]

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Coming from somebody who is essentially a Holocaust Denier, that actually means very little.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There aren't any significant numbers of Ukrainian Nazis. Sure, there are a few, but there are proportunately just as many Nazis in the US Armed Forces. That doesn't make the US Armed forces a Nazi organization.

Azov Battalion says….

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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So the thousands of memoirs, witness reports, photos, testimonies, films and artifacts documented by the U.S., the U.K., the U.S.S.R. and even the Germans themselves mean nothing to you?

Right. Except Putin is NOT Stalin

 

[Deadstick]

This map shows the result of the last legitimate election in Ukraine in 2010, it's clear from the map much of the south and east supported Yanukovych, Donbass and Lughansk and Odessa , and that is where the fighting has been since 2014,even then Tymoshenko refused to accept the result for a long time, the fascists have a history of refusing to accept democracy, four years later Yanukovych was overthrown by a western backed Coup, democrats don't remove an elected Government through violence

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No grounds for Russia's invasion.

 

[Deadstick]

Well when those areas in blue were subjected to attack from Kiev and the plan was to to join Nato, minsk 2 ignored i would say it was grounds, in fact it should have happened in 2014 after the Coup, if it had there would be many more people alive today who are dead.

 

[Mushroom]

fascists have a history of refusing to accept democracy

Uh-huh. And what did he do once he was in office?

Well, one of the first things he did was to set up a new Constitutional Assembly to circumvent the Congress and change the Constitution. That is hardly "democracy", and is exactly what autocrats in power of nations like Venezuela and Russia do to try to consolidate their hold on absolute power. Then formed a coalition government that contained almost nothing but pro-Russian Communists that removed power from even those that were holding Constitutional offices.

Passing a new tax code, in violation of the Constitution. And promised funds and the route for Russia to build a pipeline through Ukraine, once again by fiat and not going through Constitutional Processes.

Of course, one of the worst things he did that lost him a great deal of influence and popularity was saying that the Holodomor was not a Genocide, even though before he took power he had stated that it was. That caused almost all in the nation to lose total trust and confidence in him, and made many see he was only saying what he thought was popular. And only then was his real beliefs coming out.

Oh, and making Russian the official language of Ukraine. Then can celling the referendum on the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea and instead of listening to the people decided on his own that the lease would be extended for an additional 25 years.

I can keep going, but I think most people see what the reality was. You scream "fascists refuse to accept democracy", when in reality he is the one that threw out democracy and tried to rule as a dictator. Even having leaders of other parties jailed and ordering any other parties to disband. And censoring the press so everything they reported was favorable to him,

If you think that is "democracy", than you must also think Venezuela is "democracy".

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Not one of these things are unconstitutional, if the democratic constitutional process had been to redraw the constitution to do them.

 

[Mushroom]

Not one of these things are unconstitutional, if the democratic constitutional process had been to redraw the constitution to do them.

Name me a Constitution where it allows the President to at will change the Constitution however they want without the consent of the people and circumventing the legislative process.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No grounds for Russia's invasion.

Nazis killing Russians in Donbass, amassing troops on the border....oh wait, you're one of the people who support the invasion at our Southern border

 

[Deadstick]

Uh-huh. And what did he do once he was in office?

Well, one of the first things he did was to set up a new Constitutional Assembly to circumvent the Congress and change the Constitution. That is hardly "democracy", and is exactly what autocrats in power of nations like Venezuela and Russia do to try to consolidate their hold on absolute power. Then formed a coalition government that contained almost nothing but pro-Russian Communists that removed power from even those that were holding Constitutional offices.

Passing a new tax code, in violation of the Constitution. And promised funds and the route for Russia to build a pipeline through Ukraine, once again by fiat and not going through Constitutional Processes.

Of course, one of the worst things he did that lost him a great deal of influence and popularity was saying that the Holodomor was not a Genocide, even though before he took power he had stated that it was. That caused almost all in the nation to lose total trust and confidence in him, and made many see he was only saying what he thought was popular. And only then was his real beliefs coming out.

Oh, and making Russian the official language of Ukraine. Then can celling the referendum on the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea and instead of listening to the people decided on his own that the lease would be extended for an additional 25 years.

I can keep going, but I think most people see what the reality was. You scream "fascists refuse to accept democracy", when in reality he is the one that threw out democracy and tried to rule as a dictator. Even having leaders of other parties jailed and ordering any other parties to disband. And censoring the press so everything they reported was favorable to him,

If you think that is "democracy", than you must also think Venezuela is "democracy".

I was talking about Tymoshenko after the 2010 election she lost in Ukraine, then in 2014 the fascists staged a coup to get the elected President out, in a Democracy you remove people through elections or a vote of no confidence in Parliament, that didn't happen in 2014.

 

[Deadstick]

I think we are confusing two different things here, i was talking about the 2010 election in Ukraine, some people seem to have moved the conversation onto Putin and Russia, as for the change of that constitution it was subject to a national referendum which gave a green light then it was passed through Parliament, it's called Democracy.

 

[gipper]

Uh-huh. And what did he do once he was in office?

Well, one of the first things he did was to set up a new Constitutional Assembly to circumvent the Congress and change the Constitution. That is hardly "democracy", and is exactly what autocrats in power of nations like Venezuela and Russia do to try to consolidate their hold on absolute power. Then formed a coalition government that contained almost nothing but pro-Russian Communists that removed power from even those that were holding Constitutional offices.

Passing a new tax code, in violation of the Constitution. And promised funds and the route for Russia to build a pipeline through Ukraine, once again by fiat and not going through Constitutional Processes.

Of course, one of the worst things he did that lost him a great deal of influence and popularity was saying that the Holodomor was not a Genocide, even though before he took power he had stated that it was. That caused almost all in the nation to lose total trust and confidence in him, and made many see he was only saying what he thought was popular. And only then was his real beliefs coming out.

Oh, and making Russian the official language of Ukraine. Then can celling the referendum on the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea and instead of listening to the people decided on his own that the lease would be extended for an additional 25 years.

I can keep going, but I think most people see what the reality was. You scream "fascists refuse to accept democracy", when in reality he is the one that threw out democracy and tried to rule as a dictator. Even having leaders of other parties jailed and ordering any other parties to disband. And censoring the press so everything they reported was favorable to him,

If you think that is "democracy", than you must also think Venezuela is "democracy".

Funny thing is you think the US is a democracy. Lol.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Name me a Constitution where it allows the President to at will change the Constitution however they want without the consent of the people and circumventing the legislative process.

You have not show that the process was not followed correctly.

Oh, that's right, it was.

 

[Mushroom]

in a Democracy you remove people through elections or a vote of no confidence in Parliament, that didn't happen in 2014.

When you have an actual "democracy".

When the President is changing the Constitution at will and has already circumvented not only the legislature but is modifying the Constitution at a whim that does not work.

And no, you do not remove them with a vote of "no confidence". Especially when the legislative body had already been suborned like it was done in Ukraine at that time.