Uh-ooohh Spaghettios... the US in ten year cooling trend?

[Crick]

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that's true. You seem to be almost completely ignorant on the topic under discussion. Feel free to prove me wrong.

You tell us you're very familiar with temperature sensing instrumentation and that knowledge makes you dubious that the Earth has actually warmed. Explain this point of view to us.

The conclusion of many decades of climate science is that the human emission of CO2 and methane and human deforestation (shrinking a significant CO2 sink) has significantly raised the level of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere: CO2 has gone from 280 ppm to 400 ppm. Methane has gone from 600 ppb to 2000 ppb. The greenhouse effect, acting on those increased levels, has warmed the planet. Do you disagree? If so, why?

Besides changes in weather patterns and intensity (ex, drought in the American SW, increased temperatures across Europe, increased intensity in cyclonic weather, etc), the rise in temperature is raising the level of the world's oceans: both from melt of land-based ice and from simple thermal expansion. Do you disagree? If so, why?

 

[jc456]

Thermometric devices were first built in the 1500s. By 1750, mercury in glass thermometers of reasonable quality were widespread. Aside from that data, substantial quantities and varieties of proxy data are available from that period.

How accurate were these first thermometers?

Even as recently as 1950 were we really measuring to the nearest tenth?

Dude crick had them to the thousandth from them mercury filled thermometer

 

[jc456]

At what? Rejecting AGW is the unexpected position. Accepting the word of better than 95% of the world's scientists is as mainstream as mainstream can get. There is no question among the world's climate scientists today that the world is getting warmer and that human emission of greenhouse gases is the primary cause.

Dude, could you stop lying about the scientists and what they believe. I'm still waiting for the list of all the scientists

 

[Crick]

I bet were you to hold your breath, that list would appear more quickly.

While I'm working on that, could you get me the list of all the scientists who agree that disease is caused by germs and viruses and the separate list of those who still credit demons.

And jc, I don't like being called a liar. Before you throw that word in my direction, you better have some damned good evidence that's the case. Let's see your evidence that what I said was a lie. And if you can't find such evidence, anyone but a pure asshole would offer up an apology.

 

[IanC]

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that's true. You seem to be almost completely ignorant on the topic under discussion. Feel free to prove me wrong.

You tell us you're very familiar with temperature sensing instrumentation and that knowledge makes you dubious that the Earth has actually warmed. Explain this point of view to us.

The conclusion of many decades of climate science is that the human emission of CO2 and methane and human deforestation (shrinking a significant CO2 sink) has significantly raised the level of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere: CO2 has gone from 280 ppm to 400 ppm. Methane has gone from 600 ppb to 2000 ppb. The greenhouse effect, acting on those increased levels, has warmed the planet. Do you disagree? If so, why?

Besides changes in weather patterns and intensity (ex, drought in the American SW, increased temperatures across Europe, increased intensity in cyclonic weather, etc), the rise in temperature is raising the level of the world's oceans: both from melt of land-based ice and from simple thermal expansion. Do you disagree? If so, why?

IPCC model predictions for methane. Yet another reason why the models for temperature run hot.

 

[jc456]

I bet were you to hold your breath, that list would appear more quickly.

While I'm working on that, could you get me the list of all the scientists who agree that disease is caused by germs and viruses and the separate list of those who still credit demons.

And jc, I don't like being called a liar. Before you throw that word in my direction, you better have some damned good evidence that's the case. Let's see your evidence that what I said was a lie. And if you can't find such evidence, anyone but a pure asshole would offer up an apology.

Well sir it is you making a claim with figures you obviously can't validate, so that makes you a liar. Comprehende?

 

[jc456]

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that's true. You seem to be almost completely ignorant on the topic under discussion. Feel free to prove me wrong.

You tell us you're very familiar with temperature sensing instrumentation and that knowledge makes you dubious that the Earth has actually warmed. Explain this point of view to us.

The conclusion of many decades of climate science is that the human emission of CO2 and methane and human deforestation (shrinking a significant CO2 sink) has significantly raised the level of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere: CO2 has gone from 280 ppm to 400 ppm. Methane has gone from 600 ppb to 2000 ppb. The greenhouse effect, acting on those increased levels, has warmed the planet. Do you disagree? If so, why?

Besides changes in weather patterns and intensity (ex, drought in the American SW, increased temperatures across Europe, increased intensity in cyclonic weather, etc), the rise in temperature is raising the level of the world's oceans: both from melt of land-based ice and from simple thermal expansion. Do you disagree? If so, why?

IPCC model predictions for methane. Yet another reason why the models for temperature run hot.

Too funny!

 

[Billy_Bob]

I know that WE CAN stop it. It would have been a lot easier if we'd started in earnest 20 years ago, but it's still possible.
My goal is keep my children and their children and their children from living in a world of hurt. I should have thought that was obvious. That's what drives everyone concerned with this issue. We're constantly accused of being socialists and liberals either seeking power or trying to destroy the world. That's not just wrong, it's STUPID wrong. Don't you care about your children?

You are a FOOL!

It is amazing the arrogance of idiots who think they can some how regulate the earths temp. This is utterly stunning to behold. Why dont you try and regulate the temp of your city. Get on out there and command it... Fucking retard!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Bear,

you're not actually familiar with any of the arguments re global warming, are you.

The "Arguments" are: DENIER!!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I know that WE CAN stop it. It would have been a lot easier if we'd started in earnest 20 years ago, but it's still possible.
My goal is keep my children and their children and their children from living in a world of hurt. I should have thought that was obvious. That's what drives everyone concerned with this issue. We're constantly accused of being socialists and liberals either seeking power or trying to destroy the world. That's not just wrong, it's STUPID wrong. Don't you care about your children?

The only way we can stop it now, is by moving the Earth further from the Sun. This will counteract the deadly effects of the wisp of CO2. At noon today, with the Sun directly overhead, do your part and hop up and down on planet Earth to move it away from the Sun.

Yes we can!

 

[IanC]

We could easily cool the globe. For less than a billion. But unintended consequences might prove worse than the cure.

So far any slight warming has been a boon rather than a bust. The same can't be said about some of the green solutions. How many acres does it take to fill a Humvee gas tank? How many people could be fed instead? And what happened to the price of corn with a huge new demand?

 

[Billy_Bob]

I know that WE CAN stop it. It would have been a lot easier if we'd started in earnest 20 years ago, but it's still possible.
My goal is keep my children and their children and their children from living in a world of hurt. I should have thought that was obvious. That's what drives everyone concerned with this issue. We're constantly accused of being socialists and liberals either seeking power or trying to destroy the world. That's not just wrong, it's STUPID wrong. Don't you care about your children?

The only way we can stop it now, is by moving the Earth further from the Sun. This will counteract the deadly effects of the wisp of CO2. At noon today, with the Sun directly overhead, do your part and hop up and down on planet Earth to move it away from the Sun.

Yes we can!

I was wondering how they had controlled the climatic systems and failed to tell anyone about it. Their savior Barrack Hussein Obama commands it therefore it must be true.

So they have the verified repeatable science to back up these claims?

 

[Wyatt earp]

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that's true. You seem to be almost completely ignorant on the topic under discussion. Feel free to prove me wrong.

You tell us you're very familiar with temperature sensing instrumentation and that knowledge makes you dubious that the Earth has actually warmed. Explain this point of view to us.

The conclusion of many decades of climate science is that the human emission of CO2 and methane and human deforestation (shrinking a significant CO2 sink) has significantly raised the level of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere: CO2 has gone from 280 ppm to 400 ppm. Methane has gone from 600 ppb to 2000 ppb. The greenhouse effect, acting on those increased levels, has warmed the planet. Do you disagree? If so, why?

Besides changes in weather patterns and intensity (ex, drought in the American SW, increased temperatures across Europe, increased intensity in cyclonic weather, etc), the rise in temperature is raising the level of the world's oceans: both from melt of land-based ice and from simple thermal expansion. Do you disagree? If so, why?

Again crick tell me what cause that rise of C02 is?

You don't have an instrument to divided it up between natural and man made, quit the bullshit.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that's true. You seem to be almost completely ignorant on the topic under discussion. Feel free to prove me wrong.

You tell us you're very familiar with temperature sensing instrumentation and that knowledge makes you dubious that the Earth has actually warmed. Explain this point of view to us.

The conclusion of many decades of climate science is that the human emission of CO2 and methane and human deforestation (shrinking a significant CO2 sink) has significantly raised the level of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere: CO2 has gone from 280 ppm to 400 ppm. Methane has gone from 600 ppb to 2000 ppb. The greenhouse effect, acting on those increased levels, has warmed the planet. Do you disagree? If so, why?

Besides changes in weather patterns and intensity (ex, drought in the American SW, increased temperatures across Europe, increased intensity in cyclonic weather, etc), the rise in temperature is raising the level of the world's oceans: both from melt of land-based ice and from simple thermal expansion. Do you disagree? If so, why?

Again crick tell me what cause that rise of C02 is?

You don't have an instrument to divided it up between natural and man made, quit the bullshit.

Crick tries to belittle anyone who might have more knowledge on a subject than he has. He then tries to malign them when he is proven wrong and resorts to adhom attacks.

There is no way to determine what is man caused and what is natural at our current level of technology. we simply can not determine what the Oceans have emitted or absorbed on a daily basis. Given the size of that sink and rain storms on the land there is simply no way to compute the number. All current modeling fails in this regard as we can not quantify those instantaneous numbers from the complex chaotic systems in our atmosphere. At best its a SWAG (Scientific Wild Ass Guess). Given the simulations that these numbers are put into, which fail to predict anything into the future, its a long time coming. But they will still yell, at the top of their lungs, the science is settled.

 

[RollingThunder]

Yup, that's exactly what is, the United States has been COOLING for the PAST DECADE... you don't have to tell me. I can't remember the last time we had back to back winters in Wisconsin that were so BLISTERING COLD, and SUSTAINED. So read it and weep, progtards...

America’s Most Advanced Climate Station Data Shows US In A 10-Year Cooling Trend

Data from America’s most advanced climate monitoring system shows the U.S. has undergone a cooling trend over the last decade, despite recent claims by government scientists that warming has accelerated worldwide during that time.

Advanced Climate Station Data Shows U.S. In A Cooling Trend The Daily Caller

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The usual denier cult pseudo-science and deliberately twisted facts, sourced from fraudulent denier cult blogs.

For a good explanation of the lies in the OP, check this out...

The Daily Caller's Bad Science on 'Global Cooling'
Newsweek
BY ZOË SCHLANGER
6/18/15
(excerpts)
First of all, the data does not show a cooling trend. Second of all, even if it did (which it doesn’t!), it wouldn’t be proof that the globe is indeed in a global warming “pause,” which is the secondary argument of the article.

"It is a favorite tactic of those who resist climate regulation to cherry-pick data from limited time periods and limited geographical areas to draw broad conclusions that are contrary to the overwhelming body of climate science," says Michael Gerrard, a law professor and director of the Sabin Center for Climate Change Law at Columbia University.


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[Billy_Bob]

Yup, that's exactly what is, the United States has been COOLING for the PAST DECADE... you don't have to tell me. I can't remember the last time we had back to back winters in Wisconsin that were so BLISTERING COLD, and SUSTAINED. So read it and weep, progtards...

America’s Most Advanced Climate Station Data Shows US In A 10-Year Cooling Trend

Data from America’s most advanced climate monitoring system shows the U.S. has undergone a cooling trend over the last decade, despite recent claims by government scientists that warming has accelerated worldwide during that time.

Advanced Climate Station Data Shows U.S. In A Cooling Trend The Daily Caller

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The usual denier cult pseudo-science and deliberately twisted facts, sourced from fraudulent denier cult blogs.

For a good explanation of the lies in the OP, check this out...

The Daily Caller's Bad Science on 'Global Cooling'
Newsweek
BY ZOË SCHLANGER
6/18/15
(excerpts)
First of all, the data does not show a cooling trend. Second of all, even if it did (which it doesn’t!), it wouldn’t be proof that the globe is indeed in a global warming “pause,” which is the secondary argument of the article.

"It is a favorite tactic of those who resist climate regulation to cherry-pick data from limited time periods and limited geographical areas to draw broad conclusions that are contrary to the overwhelming body of climate science," says Michael Gerrard, a law professor and director of the Sabin Center for Climate Change Law at Columbia University.


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ZOË SCHLANGER wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on the ass. As to twisting, that is precisely what Zoe is doing in his hit piece. Funny how the projection of the alarmists is so stunning that even most alarmists wont use his obvious crap piece for anything more than bird cage cover.

So tell me rollingblunder what in the piece did you find so excellent? was it the fact that he twisted the real numbers of the CRN for his purpose or was it his blatant lies? Or was it simply his hand waving that you should ignore those numbers and believe what the AGW liars are spewing without basis in facts?

 

[RollingThunder]

Yup, that's exactly what is, the United States has been COOLING for the PAST DECADE... you don't have to tell me. I can't remember the last time we had back to back winters in Wisconsin that were so BLISTERING COLD, and SUSTAINED. So read it and weep, progtards...

America’s Most Advanced Climate Station Data Shows US In A 10-Year Cooling Trend

Data from America’s most advanced climate monitoring system shows the U.S. has undergone a cooling trend over the last decade, despite recent claims by government scientists that warming has accelerated worldwide during that time.

Advanced Climate Station Data Shows U.S. In A Cooling Trend The Daily Caller

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The usual denier cult pseudo-science and deliberately twisted facts, sourced from fraudulent denier cult blogs.

For a good explanation of the lies in the OP, check this out...

The Daily Caller's Bad Science on 'Global Cooling'
Newsweek
BY ZOË SCHLANGER
6/18/15
(excerpts)
First of all, the data does not show a cooling trend. Second of all, even if it did (which it doesn’t!), it wouldn’t be proof that the globe is indeed in a global warming “pause,” which is the secondary argument of the article.

"It is a favorite tactic of those who resist climate regulation to cherry-pick data from limited time periods and limited geographical areas to draw broad conclusions that are contrary to the overwhelming body of climate science," says Michael Gerrard, a law professor and director of the Sabin Center for Climate Change Law at Columbia University.


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ZOË SCHLANGER wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on the ass. As to twisting, that is precisely what Zoe is doing in his hit piece. Funny how the projection of the alarmists is so stunning that even most alarmists wont use his obvious crap piece for anything more than bird cage cover.

So tell me rollingblunder what in the piece did you find so excellent? was it the fact that he twisted the real numbers of the CRN for his purpose or was it his blatant lies? Or was it simply his hand waving that you should ignore those numbers and believe what the AGW liars are spewing without basis in facts?

LOLOLOL.....just the usual meaningless jibber-jabber that denier cultists spew when their fraudulent bullshit gets debunked by the facts.

As opposed to the meaningless jiber jabber of left wing sycophants who long for control and the deaths of those who dont toe their line? Good little commie left wit fool...

LOLOLOL.....you're completely clueless, Bobby, as always...

I cited an article in Newsweek, a reputable national news magazine, which quoted Dr. Howard Diamond, who is the program manager of NOAA's USCRN, whose data is supposedly the basis for the OP, and he debunked the fraudulent twisted pseudo-science in the bogus OP on this thread.

 

[IanC]

What an odd claim. Surely comparing the trends of the earlier stations to the ones that came later is a better solution than tossing out three years of data.

I haven't heard of anyone demanding that ARGO data be tossed out until the full compliment was in place.

I suppose it is just a variation on 'the US is only 2% of land mass so it can be ignored'. But Africa with a thousandth of the thermometers, poorly measured and maintained, should be included as 5% of land.

That is one of my biggest problems with land surface datasets. Poorly measured, or infilled, areas are given the same weight and presumed uncertainty as well measured and maintained areas.

The best measured, longest records show much less warming than spotty short records in hard to check areas. At least before 'homogenization' kicks in.

 

[Crick]

So, you believe warming to be an artifact of interpolative infilling. Can you explain? How is it that restricted datapoints obtained would be consistently warmer than reality? Or are you claiming that the infilling process is intentionally designed to increase temperature values and thus we're back at the global conspiracy theory?

 

[IanC]

So, you believe warming to be an artifact of interpolative infilling. Can you explain? How is it that restricted datapoints obtained would be consistently warmer than reality? Or are you claiming that the infilling process is intentionally designed to increase temperature values and thus we're back at the global conspiracy theory?

So you're back to calling me a conspiracy theorist? I suppose it is easier than answering inconvenient questions.

Speaking of inconvenient questions, let's change the topic a bit. What's up with all these spurious new high temperature record claims from continuous digital thermometers? Heathrow in the UK just announced a new record of 36.7C. Oddly, the hourly readings that sandwiched the record were only 35.9 and 34.5C. And the other stations within 10km only reached 35.1C or less. Real record or spike from jet exhaust? I guess we'll never know. Seems a bit fishy though. And it would also seem that UHI is in evidence to boot.