U.N. rights inquiry says Israel must remove settlers

[Billo_Really]

Too hard a question? Run quick to your handlers and get a response. I'll wait.

It's not a hard question, just a dumbass one!

 

[AsheedMidrarwz]

You're fuckin' lucky you live in the USA so you can spew your stupid shit whenever you want to.

I'd spew that shit right in your fuckin' face if you were standing in front of me, you punk-ass little bitch!

LOL. You squat when you piss.

 

[AsheedMidrarwz]

Too hard a question? Run quick to your handlers and get a response. I'll wait.

It's not a hard question, just a dumbass one!

Yeah, that's why you can't answer it. You're really really smart.

 

[AsheedMidrarwz]

"loonboy" is more like it. Emphasis on "boy".

 

[Billo_Really]

LOL. You squat when you piss.

You like watching people piss?

Does man-pee get you off?

 

[AsheedMidrarwz]

LOL. You squat when you piss.

You like watching people piss?

Does man-pee get you off?

Poor pitiful creature. Please stop, you're scaring me.

 

[Billo_Really]

"loonboy" is more like it. Emphasis on "boy".

Come on down to the 49ner Tavern in Long Beach, CA on a Friday night between 4:30-5:30pm for happy hour and we can finish this conversation face-to-face.

Here's a picture of the bar, for your information.




Put your money where your mouth is and walk your talk, fuckface!

 

[Billo_Really]

Poor pitiful creature. Please stop, you're scaring me.

That's not really hard to do.

If you're afraid of a particular "religion", then your own shadow must freak you out!

 

[georgephillip]

georgephillip, et al,

Two different issues.

Life isn't always fair but you have to play the cards you're dealt. And when you lose don't ask for your money back. Buck up and take it like a man. Even if you've been cheated.

That's your advice for Arabs with deeds to properties their families had lived on for generations that were stolen by Jews in 1948?

(COMMENT)

Territorial integrity and sovereignty issues do not affect individual property rights and ownership.

Those that have claims to land, still have those same claims to the land and a civil action to press before the court.



The Mandate and the following Resolution make it abundantly clear that the Jewish State, nor any subdivision thereof, including the Occupation Territorial Control, have no right to deprive any Palestinian or Arab of possession of their property or proprietary rights, in the course of the establishment of the State.

8. No expropriation of land owned by an Arab in the Jewish State (by a Jew in the Arab State) shall be allowed except for public purposes. In all cases of expropriation full compensation as fixed by the Supreme Court shall be paid previous to dispossession.
SOURCE: General Assembly Resolutions 2nd Session

Restitution has to be made in valid equity in true ownership.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco..."The 1948 Palestinian exodus, known in Arabic as the Nakba (Arabic: النكبة*, an-Nakbah, lit. 'disaster', 'catastrophe', or 'cataclysm'),[1] occurred when approximately 711,000 to 725,000 Palestinian Arabs left, fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine and the 1948 Arab-Israeli War."

Would those Arabs who "left, fled or were expelled from their homes" in 1948 be expected to press their civil claims in a Jewish court? Wouldn't that imply a violation of Israel's Right of Return Law?

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

Life isn't always fair but you have to play the cards you're dealt. And when you lose don't ask for your money back. Buck up and take it like a man. Even if you've been cheated.

That's your advice for Arabs with deeds to properties their families had lived on for generations that were stolen by Jews in 1948?

And what do you do about the Jews who had their businesses and property taken from them in Europe during Hitler's reign of terror? It's a never ending road you choose to do down. Seek peace.

"Holocaust Compensation and Restitution By Country

(December 2005)"

Seek Peace and Justice.

 

[georgephillip]

AsheedMidrarwz, georgephillip, et al,

Why?

georgephillip, et al,

Two different issues.


(COMMENT)

Territorial integrity and sovereignty issues do not affect individual property rights and ownership.

Those that have claims to land, still have those same claims to the land and a civil action to press before the court.



The Mandate and the following Resolution make it abundantly clear that the Jewish State, nor any subdivision thereof, including the Occupation Territorial Control, have no right to deprive any Palestinian or Arab of possession of their property or proprietary rights, in the course of the establishment of the State.

Restitution has to be made in valid equity in true ownership.

Nope. You're wasting your time.

(COMMENT)

Are you taking the position that those with evidentiary claims (as expressed in georgephillip's example: "Arabs with deeds to properties their families had lived on for generations") have no recourse or "cause of action?"

I would refuse to accept that, and if the Supreme Court held to summarily dismiss (or hold a perfunctory hearing to dismiss), I would take that as prima facia evidence of "obstruction to justice" and persecution against an identifiable group and collectivity population on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender; and further charge the court on the grounds that they are universally recognized as acting impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in GA Resolution 181. I would further hold that each judge be held individually accountable for the malfeasance in the process.

Just My Thought.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco...how would you assess this claim by Golda?

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn’t exist.”

- Golda Meir statement to the Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969."

Specifically, would a charge of ethnic cleansing be applicable?

Palestinian Refugees Right to Return and Repatriation

 

[georgephillip]

The civilization existing there was ours. Just because some nomads decided we "faked" that history an invented some people called "Palestinians" doesn't make it true

Are Jews the only nation allowed to occupy land their ancestors conquered 3000 years ago?

 

[Hossfly]

The problem is that your conclusions are based on false premise.

Life isn't always fair but you have to play the cards you're dealt. And when you lose don't ask for your money back. Buck up and take it like a man. Even if you've been cheated.

That's your advice for Arabs with deeds to properties their families had lived on for generations that were stolen by Jews in 1948?

They have been advised to bring those deeds to court and a decision will be made as to reparations or return of property.

 

[Hossfly]

AsheedMidrarwz, georgephillip, et al,

Why?

Nope. You're wasting your time.

(COMMENT)

Are you taking the position that those with evidentiary claims (as expressed in georgephillip's example: "Arabs with deeds to properties their families had lived on for generations") have no recourse or "cause of action?"

I would refuse to accept that, and if the Supreme Court held to summarily dismiss (or hold a perfunctory hearing to dismiss), I would take that as prima facia evidence of "obstruction to justice" and persecution against an identifiable group and collectivity population on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender; and further charge the court on the grounds that they are universally recognized as acting impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in GA Resolution 181. I would further hold that each judge be held individually accountable for the malfeasance in the process.

Just My Thought.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco...how would you assess this claim by Golda?

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn’t exist.”

- Golda Meir statement to the Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969."

Specifically, would a charge of ethnic cleansing be applicable?

Palestinian Refugees Right to Return and Repatriation

How dare you question the Matriarch? Shame upon you.

 

[georgephillip]

Life isn't always fair but you have to play the cards you're dealt. And when you lose don't ask for your money back. Buck up and take it like a man. Even if you've been cheated.

That's your advice for Arabs with deeds to properties their families had lived on for generations that were stolen by Jews in 1948?

They have been advised to bring those deeds to court and a decision will be made as to reparations or return of property.

When did that offer expire?

 

[Hossfly]

That's your advice for Arabs with deeds to properties their families had lived on for generations that were stolen by Jews in 1948?

They have been advised to bring those deeds to court and a decision will be made as to reparations or return of property.

When did that offer expire?

Maybe Georgie Boy can tell us why the UN said that anyone who had been in the area for only two years could be considered a refugee. Perhaps Georgie Boy can tell us how anyone who has only been in an area for two years has earned enough money to buy property. Georgie Boy has been living in Los Angeles for years and years and he doesn't own any property but needs help from the taxpayers of Los Angeles to pay for his apartment. Most of those who left were like we would consider sharecroppers here, and the Arabs who actually had property and money stayed and are now citizens of Israel.

 

[georgephillip]

They have been advised to bring those deeds to court and a decision will be made as to reparations or return of property.

When did that offer expire?

Maybe Georgie Boy can tell us why the UN said that anyone who had been in the area for only two years could be considered a refugee. Perhaps Georgie Boy can tell us how anyone who has only been in an area for two years has earned enough money to buy property. Georgie Boy has been living in Los Angeles for years and years and he doesn't own any property but needs help from the taxpayers of Los Angeles to pay for his apartment. Most of those who left were like we would consider sharecroppers here, and the Arabs who actually had property and money stayed and are now citizens of Israel.

"Count Folke Bernadotte, former vice chairman of the Swedish Red Cross successfully challenged Himmler’s plan to deport 20,000 Swedish Jews to concentration camps during World War II.

"After WWII he was appointed Special U.N. Mediator to the Middle East. Bernadotte stated, 'It would be an offence against the principles of elemental justice if these innocent victims of the conflict were denied the right to return to their homes, while Jewish immigrants flow into Palestine.'29

"For this outspoken support of basic human rights, Zionists assassinated Bernadotte in Jerusalem September 17, 1948.

"The head of the Stern terrorist gang, Nathan Friedman-Yellin, was sentenced to five years imprisonment for the murder but was quickly pardoned and in 1950 was elected to the Israeli Knesset."

I have never "owned" any land; however, I have owned numerous bank accounts.
How many years of residency are required for Arabs to have title to their bank accounts?

BTW, would a good Jew-wannabe like you have voted for Bernadotte or Yellin?

Palestinian Refugees Right to Return and Repatriation

 

[Hossfly]

When did that offer expire?

Maybe Georgie Boy can tell us why the UN said that anyone who had been in the area for only two years could be considered a refugee. Perhaps Georgie Boy can tell us how anyone who has only been in an area for two years has earned enough money to buy property. Georgie Boy has been living in Los Angeles for years and years and he doesn't own any property but needs help from the taxpayers of Los Angeles to pay for his apartment. Most of those who left were like we would consider sharecroppers here, and the Arabs who actually had property and money stayed and are now citizens of Israel.

"Count Folke Bernadotte, former vice chairman of the Swedish Red Cross successfully challenged Himmler’s plan to deport 20,000 Swedish Jews to concentration camps during World War II.

"After WWII he was appointed Special U.N. Mediator to the Middle East. Bernadotte stated, 'It would be an offence against the principles of elemental justice if these innocent victims of the conflict were denied the right to return to their homes, while Jewish immigrants flow into Palestine.'29

"For this outspoken support of basic human rights, Zionists assassinated Bernadotte in Jerusalem September 17, 1948.

"The head of the Stern terrorist gang, Nathan Friedman-Yellin, was sentenced to five years imprisonment for the murder but was quickly pardoned and in 1950 was elected to the Israeli Knesset."

I have never "owned" any land; however, I have owned numerous bank accounts.
How many years of residency are required for Arabs to have title to their bank accounts?

BTW, would a good Jew-wannabe like you have voted for Bernadotte or Yellin?

Palestinian Refugees Right to Return and Repatriation

As a good Republican, I voted for Bush. I was ineligible to vote for the others.

 

[member]

notes for ME-self.....

PRESENT TIME:

GEORGEPHILLIP: "That's your advice for Arabs with deeds to properties their families had lived on for generations that were stolen by Jews in 1948?"

ROCCO: "Territorial integrity and sovereignty issues do not affect individual property rights and ownership. Those that have claims to land, still have those same claims to the land and a civil action to press before the court."

"The Mandate and the following Resolution make it abundantly clear ==Page 137, Section C, Chapert 2, Para 8, GA Resolution 181]8. No expropriation of land owned by an Arab in the Jewish State (by a Jew in the Arab State) shall be allowed except for public purposes."

*** In all cases of expropriation full compensation as fixed by the Supreme Court shall be paid previous to dispossession -- General Assembly Resolutions 2nd Session. Restitution has to be made in valid equity in true ownership."


( =

=

ROCCO: “The facts still stands. The Allied Powers out maneuver the Arab League in the LoN/UN (democracy in action). The GA Resolution 181 was passed. The Jewish Homeland was established.”


BACKINTIME:

5,000 BC ~~~~>

“Israel” = already there…

1922:

"SOURCE: Mandate for Palestine text/League of Nations decision confirming the Principal Allied Powers' agreement on the territory of Palestine (12 August 1922)."

"(An appropriate Jewish agency (In 1929, the Jewish Agency for Palestine was officially created by the 16th Zionist Congress, held in Zurich) shall be recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters. . .)"


PTFINMORE: "(ZURICH) Not foreign???

ROCCO:

- “Zurich is neutral ground (Switzerland).”

- "In the organization of the various Jewish resources, there was a world-wide relationship."

- "So the Palestinian Jews took the matter before their larger resource."

- "The Mandate was discussed and the appropriate connections were established to meet the requirements."

- "It is not unusual that meetings of this sort happen on neutral ground."

***(The Zionist Organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognized as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home)


ROCCO: “The Jewish Agency (ESTABLISHED In 1929, the Jewish Agency for Palestine was officially created by the 16th Zionist Congress, held in Zurich) was a requirement of the Mandate”

***“The "Jewish Agency" was just a Mandate friendly (appropriate) name for the already existing Yishuv (the Jewish community of Palestine). And it still exists today. It is not a "foreign" anything.”


PTFINMORE: “There was the existing or old Yishuv who were the native Palestinian Jews. There was a new Yishuv who were the Zionist settlers. They were not the existing Yishuv.”


ROCCO: "There is no such thing as a "new" or "old" Yishuv; there is "The Yishuv." And it evolves, unlike the Arab Palestinian that is stagnant. This is a Red Herring. The foreigner issue means nothing. It is subterfuges by the Arabs/Palestinian to throw confusion into the arena. Under GA Res 181."


MAY 1948:

ROCCO:

(A) “On midnight (2400 Hours) May 14, 1948 the British relinquished the Mandate, and (. . .disengaged its forces.)

(B) at the same time (0000 Hours) May 15, the formal announcement of Israeli Independence was released (which had been signed on MAY 14, 1948).

(C) At the moment the Mandate was terminated, Israel became an Independent State.”

***the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan)***

NOTES:

(1) “There was no country recognized as Palestine. At the termination of the (British) Mandate, there was Israel.”

(2) A “State of Palestine” is merely a fiction concocted by the Arab's. There was only Israel and the offer of another Arab State which the Palestine High Council and the Arab League rejected.”


After mandate: “Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities.”


JULY 1948:

ROCCO:

- On July 15, 1948, the Security Council decided in a resolution that the situation in Palestine constituted a threat to the peace.

- It ordered a ceasefire

- declared that failure to comply would be construed as a breach of the peace requiring immediate consideration of enforcement measures under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter

- Israel controlled much of the territory allotted to the Arab State by the partition resolution, including the western part of Jerusalem



PFTINMORE: "Of course that is not true."

". . .It is a fact that the UN General Assembly passed resolution 181 (there were bribes, threats, and arm twisting to get the votes. . .) Resolution 181 was a recommendation that if approved by both sides the Security Council was to implement it. It was not approved by both sides so the Security Council did not implement it. There was no resolution 181. It did nothing.”


ROCCO:

“I find it interesting that the Palestinians should suggest that "there were bribes, threats, and arm twisting to get the votes." I see that argument really isn't over the validity of the GA Resolution 181, but rather the soundness of its passage…”

"(The GA Resolution 181 was voted on and approved; on the declaration of independence, GA Res 181 is activated. The Jewish Agency implemented their applicable portion. The Arab/Palestinians rejected their applicable portion and invaded; initiating the Arab-Israeli War of 1948-49.)"


ROCCO:

- “The Resolution had been approved by the General Assembly and the Israelis implemented the part applicable to the Jewish State. (That's not my opinion). . ."

- “I realize that the Arabs and the Arab/Palestinians dispute this. Their claim is that GA Resolution 181 is null and void; and changes nothing. It is necessary for them to do so to continue the shared fantasy that some one other than the Arab/Palestinian themselves, screwed-up.”

MORE STUFF:

“When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should he given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations. SOURCE: ODS HOME PAGE.”

“This is not a case where the Palestine High Council and the Arab League can hold hostage the right of the Jews to establish their own state by simply rejecting their offer of independence and statehood. This is the case that "EITHER" can activate their respective clause.”


ROCCO: (PTFIN...) “Are you having a problem accepting reality or what exactly?”

PTFINMORE: "Not at all. Are you?”


ROCCO: “The facts still stands. The Allied Powers out maneuver the Arab League in the LoN/UN (democracy in action). The GA Resolution 181 was passed. The Jewish Homeland was established.”

who said this is a simple matter ?? OH YEAH, PATRICK CORTEROY....

 

[georgephillip]

Maybe Georgie Boy can tell us why the UN said that anyone who had been in the area for only two years could be considered a refugee. Perhaps Georgie Boy can tell us how anyone who has only been in an area for two years has earned enough money to buy property. Georgie Boy has been living in Los Angeles for years and years and he doesn't own any property but needs help from the taxpayers of Los Angeles to pay for his apartment. Most of those who left were like we would consider sharecroppers here, and the Arabs who actually had property and money stayed and are now citizens of Israel.

"Count Folke Bernadotte, former vice chairman of the Swedish Red Cross successfully challenged Himmler’s plan to deport 20,000 Swedish Jews to concentration camps during World War II.

"After WWII he was appointed Special U.N. Mediator to the Middle East. Bernadotte stated, 'It would be an offence against the principles of elemental justice if these innocent victims of the conflict were denied the right to return to their homes, while Jewish immigrants flow into Palestine.'29

"For this outspoken support of basic human rights, Zionists assassinated Bernadotte in Jerusalem September 17, 1948.

"The head of the Stern terrorist gang, Nathan Friedman-Yellin, was sentenced to five years imprisonment for the murder but was quickly pardoned and in 1950 was elected to the Israeli Knesset."

I have never "owned" any land; however, I have owned numerous bank accounts.
How many years of residency are required for Arabs to have title to their bank accounts?

BTW, would a good Jew-wannabe like you have voted for Bernadotte or Yellin?

Palestinian Refugees Right to Return and Repatriation

As a good Republican, I voted for Bush. I was ineligible to vote for the others.

Why would you vote for a draft dodger with Dick Cheney as a running mate?