Trumpcare has Arrived

[RDD_1210]

Trump gets all the credit now if they go up or down.

This doesn't just affect new policies. This affects ALL policies. Do you understand how any of this works? Everytime you reply it becomes clear that you don't have any fucking clue.

explain how it impacts existing policies exactly? come on let's debate that. do you have any clue?

I put the info in the OP and linked to the article. Did you bother to read it? Nope.

Would you like me to re-paste it for you?

why don't you paste the piece that talks into pre-existing condition. cause I didn't read it in your post.

Who said anything about pre-existing conditions? I said policies.

I knew you were clueless on this topic but when you literally don't even understand what you're arguing, how do you expect to be taken seriously?

well this is in your text....Obamacare Trump has decided to instead kill payments to insurers...what do you supposed the payments were for exactly?

Payments to lower premiums. Get it yet? Of course not.

 

[jc456]

explain how it impacts existing policies exactly? come on let's debate that. do you have any clue?

I put the info in the OP and linked to the article. Did you bother to read it? Nope.

Would you like me to re-paste it for you?

why don't you paste the piece that talks into pre-existing condition. cause I didn't read it in your post.

Who said anything about pre-existing conditions? I said policies.

I knew you were clueless on this topic but when you literally don't even understand what you're arguing, how do you expect to be taken seriously?

well this is in your text....Obamacare Trump has decided to instead kill payments to insurers...what do you supposed the payments were for exactly?

Payments to lower premiums. Get it yet? Of course not.

payments for freeloaders to get free health insurance. it includes pre existing support. why dodge it?

 

[bendog]

btw, I think the Kochs may be right on social engineering. Post-WWII we were sold the notion that any job deserved a retirement where a couple could live independently, and even in the 1950s we were subsidizing HC for those who could not privately afford it.

Coal workers are just an example. Coal is not growth industry. Miners don't work into their 70s and healthcare is not gonna be provided until people reach medicare age

 

[SYTFE]

Due to his inability to pass healthcare reform to repeal and replace Obamacare Trump has decided to instead kill payments to insurers essentially guaranteeing that rates will go up across the board for everyone in this country.

"Two months ago, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that individual health plan premiums would be 20 percent higher than originally projected if the payments ceased. It also projected that premiums would be 25 percent higher than they otherwise would be by 2020, and that the federal deficit would be increased by almost $200 billion if the subsidies ended."

The Affordable Care Act can no longer be blamed for rising premium costs. This administration has failed and refused to run the ACA in the manner in which it was designed.

You can't take the wheels off a car and wonder why it doesn't drive.

What we have now is Trumpcare. Hope all of you that voted for him are happy now.

Obamacare bombshell: Trump kills key payments to health insurers

due to his inability? due to his inability? he just used his ability. the ability of congress is what failed. Not trump. fk I hate when stoops like you project lies. that is just a fking lie. And because he did due what was within his ability now you're going to say he's a tool. dude, we get it, you don't like him. leave it alone, you look foolish.

You look foolish. You're a grown ass man and you can't even type out the word fuck...what the hell is the matter with you?

 

[bendog]

I put the info in the OP and linked to the article. Did you bother to read it? Nope.

Would you like me to re-paste it for you?

why don't you paste the piece that talks into pre-existing condition. cause I didn't read it in your post.

Who said anything about pre-existing conditions? I said policies.

I knew you were clueless on this topic but when you literally don't even understand what you're arguing, how do you expect to be taken seriously?

well this is in your text....Obamacare Trump has decided to instead kill payments to insurers...what do you supposed the payments were for exactly?

Payments to lower premiums. Get it yet? Of course not.

payments for freeloaders to get free health insurance. it includes pre existing support. why dodge it?

There's no dodge. You got yours and think it's only because of your hard work.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Yea like they would forget who put them with out jobs in the first place..


Democrats solution , take away your jobs , your employee health care and say here is welfare and obozo care..

take a break and go kiss a few RW asses adios.

Facts are facts pal.

take away jobs ?

the dems ?

you better check their record from the time 43 left to the time Obama left ... then go check your drawers and make sure you didnt shit yourself because youre the only one who believes that.

Once again child who had the war on coal? And remind us again where most of the jobs went ? (Not to the blue states)

See post 124.

Your war on coal is a hoax.

I can't get post numbers for some reason

And what hoax???? I thought you were older then me, hell even politico agrees from 2015..


Inside the war on coal




The war on coal is not just political rhetoric, or a paranoid fantasy concocted by rapacious polluters. It’s real and it’s relentless. Over the past five years, it has killed a coal-fired power plant every 10 days. It has quietly transformed the U.S. electric grid and the global climate debate.

The industry and its supporters use “war on coal” as shorthand for a ferocious assault by a hostile White House, but the real war on coal is not primarily an Obama war, or even a Washington war. It’s a guerrilla war. The front lines are not at the Environmental Protection Agency or the Supreme Court. If you want to see how the fossil fuel that once powered most of the country is being battered by enemy forces, you have to watch state and local hearings where utility commissions and other obscure governing bodies debate individual coal plants. You probably won’t find much drama. You’ll definitely find lawyers from the Sierra Club’s Beyond Coal campaign, the boots on the ground in the war on coal.

Beyond Coal is the most extensive, expensive and effective campaign in the Club’s 123-year history, and maybe the history of the environmental movement. It’s gone largely unnoticed amid the furor over the Keystone pipeline and President Barack Obama’s efforts to regulate carbon, but it’s helped retire more than one third of America’s coal plants since its launch in 2010, one dull hearing at a time. With a vast war chest donated by Michael Bloomberg, unlikely allies from the business world, and a strategy that relies more on economics than ecology, its team of nearly 200 litigators and organizers has won battles in the Midwestern and Appalachian coal belts, in the reddest of red states, in almost every state that burns coal.

“They’re sophisticated, they’re very active, and they’re better funded than we are,” says Mike Duncan, a former Republican National Committee chairman who now heads the industry-backed American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity. “I don’t like what they’re doing; we’re losing a lot of coal in this country. But they do show up.”

 

[Wyatt earp]

Due to his inability to pass healthcare reform to repeal and replace Obamacare Trump has decided to instead kill payments to insurers essentially guaranteeing that rates will go up across the board for everyone in this country.

"Two months ago, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that individual health plan premiums would be 20 percent higher than originally projected if the payments ceased. It also projected that premiums would be 25 percent higher than they otherwise would be by 2020, and that the federal deficit would be increased by almost $200 billion if the subsidies ended."

The Affordable Care Act can no longer be blamed for rising premium costs. This administration has failed and refused to run the ACA in the manner in which it was designed.

You can't take the wheels off a car and wonder why it doesn't drive.

What we have now is Trumpcare. Hope all of you that voted for him are happy now.

Obamacare bombshell: Trump kills key payments to health insurers

due to his inability? due to his inability? he just used his ability. the ability of congress is what failed. Not trump. fk I hate when stoops like you project lies. that is just a fking lie. And because he did due what was within his ability now you're going to say he's a tool. dude, we get it, you don't like him. leave it alone, you look foolish.

You look foolish. You're a grown ass man and you can't even type out the word fuck...what the hell is the matter with you?

He's probably at work like me , not giving a fuck about spelling /grammar and not sitting at home collecting welfare like you bitch ..

 

[jc456]

Due to his inability to pass healthcare reform to repeal and replace Obamacare Trump has decided to instead kill payments to insurers essentially guaranteeing that rates will go up across the board for everyone in this country.

"Two months ago, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that individual health plan premiums would be 20 percent higher than originally projected if the payments ceased. It also projected that premiums would be 25 percent higher than they otherwise would be by 2020, and that the federal deficit would be increased by almost $200 billion if the subsidies ended."

The Affordable Care Act can no longer be blamed for rising premium costs. This administration has failed and refused to run the ACA in the manner in which it was designed.

You can't take the wheels off a car and wonder why it doesn't drive.

What we have now is Trumpcare. Hope all of you that voted for him are happy now.

Obamacare bombshell: Trump kills key payments to health insurers

due to his inability? due to his inability? he just used his ability. the ability of congress is what failed. Not trump. fk I hate when stoops like you project lies. that is just a fking lie. And because he did due what was within his ability now you're going to say he's a tool. dude, we get it, you don't like him. leave it alone, you look foolish.

You look foolish. You're a grown ass man and you can't even type out the word fuck...what the hell is the matter with you?

LOL

 

[RDD_1210]

I put the info in the OP and linked to the article. Did you bother to read it? Nope.

Would you like me to re-paste it for you?

why don't you paste the piece that talks into pre-existing condition. cause I didn't read it in your post.

Who said anything about pre-existing conditions? I said policies.

I knew you were clueless on this topic but when you literally don't even understand what you're arguing, how do you expect to be taken seriously?

well this is in your text....Obamacare Trump has decided to instead kill payments to insurers...what do you supposed the payments were for exactly?

Payments to lower premiums. Get it yet? Of course not.

payments for freeloaders to get free health insurance. it includes pre existing support. why dodge it?

It's comical that you're literally just throwing phrases out there now pretending as if they mean something. Ummm, "Death panels and subsidies! Yeah, what about that!"

 

[jc456]

why don't you paste the piece that talks into pre-existing condition. cause I didn't read it in your post.

Who said anything about pre-existing conditions? I said policies.

I knew you were clueless on this topic but when you literally don't even understand what you're arguing, how do you expect to be taken seriously?

well this is in your text....Obamacare Trump has decided to instead kill payments to insurers...what do you supposed the payments were for exactly?

Payments to lower premiums. Get it yet? Of course not.

payments for freeloaders to get free health insurance. it includes pre existing support. why dodge it?

It's comical that you're literally just throwing phrases out there now pretending as if they mean something. Ummm, "Death panels and subsidies! Yeah, what about that!"

what about it, it was my question. We don't need em.

 

[Siete]

take a break and go kiss a few RW asses adios.

Facts are facts pal.

take away jobs ?

the dems ?

you better check their record from the time 43 left to the time Obama left ... then go check your drawers and make sure you didnt shit yourself because youre the only one who believes that.

Once again child who had the war on coal? And remind us again where most of the jobs went ? (Not to the blue states)

See post 124.

Your war on coal is a hoax.

I can't get post numbers for some reason

And what hoax???? I thought you were older then me, hell even politico agrees from 2015..


Inside the war on coal




The war on coal is not just political rhetoric, or a paranoid fantasy concocted by rapacious polluters. It’s real and it’s relentless. Over the past five years, it has killed a coal-fired power plant every 10 days. It has quietly transformed the U.S. electric grid and the global climate debate.

The industry and its supporters use “war on coal” as shorthand for a ferocious assault by a hostile White House, but the real war on coal is not primarily an Obama war, or even a Washington war. It’s a guerrilla war. The front lines are not at the Environmental Protection Agency or the Supreme Court. If you want to see how the fossil fuel that once powered most of the country is being battered by enemy forces, you have to watch state and local hearings where utility commissions and other obscure governing bodies debate individual coal plants. You probably won’t find much drama. You’ll definitely find lawyers from the Sierra Club’s Beyond Coal campaign, the boots on the ground in the war on coal.

Beyond Coal is the most extensive, expensive and effective campaign in the Club’s 123-year history, and maybe the history of the environmental movement. It’s gone largely unnoticed amid the furor over the Keystone pipeline and President Barack Obama’s efforts to regulate carbon, but it’s helped retire more than one third of America’s coal plants since its launch in 2010, one dull hearing at a time. With a vast war chest donated by Michael Bloomberg, unlikely allies from the business world, and a strategy that relies more on economics than ecology, its team of nearly 200 litigators and organizers has won battles in the Midwestern and Appalachian coal belts, in the reddest of red states, in almost every state that burns coal.

“They’re sophisticated, they’re very active, and they’re better funded than we are,” says Mike Duncan, a former Republican National Committee chairman who now heads the industry-backed American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity. “I don’t like what they’re doing; we’re losing a lot of coal in this country. But they do show up.”

two words ANY brain dead RW'r understands and fights for ..


Natural Gas .

NG prices/availability killed coal.

END OF STORY.

where were we ?

oh yeah, HOW REPUBLICANS FUCKED THEMSELVES .... AGAIN.

please continue from there ..

 

[MarkDuffy]

It does appear that Trump is making HC insurance more expensive both by cutting subsidies and making it easier to charge more for older and sicker, and he's aiming that directly at republicans in congress.

I'm not sure if he and Bannon are expecting this to help primary republicans or whether there is no strategy beyond being pissed off.

The ONLY strategy for Trump is to fire-up his base of cultists....trump does NOT care if the 2018 midterms slaughter republicans....his only care is accolades from his moronic following.

I agree that Trump's need to satisfy his base determines every action he takes or avoids. Maybe that's not unusual except for the fact that his base thinks everything gummit does beyond paying them money is useless, but I think his 35% base already blamed McConnell and to a lesser extent Ryan for the failure to repeal and replace. Trump promised his base that repeal and replace would begin on "day one," and you can't replace a law regulating HC in one day. Congress has things like committees, ranking members and hearings.

It's obvious Trump is making HC more expensive for millions to "punish" the gop because in the same week he and Bannon announce they'll primary republicans, and immediately after the EO's he tell the dems to "call me" to fix it. I'm sort of amazed at both the Turtle and Ryan's willingness to expect any good faith from this guy, but I was really surprised when Schumer and Pelosi thought they could do a deal on Daca.

I suspect Trump is just blowing more hot air on cutting a deal, and as Daca showed even if thought about a deal, he will have to renege as soon as his base gets wind of it.

35% is trump's job approval. His base is waaay smaller.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You mean congress refusal don't you?

He's the "great negotiator" who had a "beautiful plan". All lies. Congress is to blame just as much as Trump. They all lied to you.

But now we get to finally see what Trump can do with healthcare and this is now ALL on him.

What does that smoke screen have to do with my statement that congress is responsible, other than you cannot stand the truth, like all regressive liars.

And none of what you said changes that what Trump has done with this executive order has begun Trumpcare.

Bullshit. Obamacare is still in place.
The EO didn't mandate anything. Anyone who wants to purchase Obamacare can freely do so.

He gutted the subsidies that help to keep premiums down. Read something for once.

Those subsidies are paid with tax dollars, dumb ass! He just saved us a lot of money!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Cute number. But let's pretend for a second it's a valid number and I don't need actual proof. When costs go up even higher than that, will that be Trumps fault or still Obamas?

it depends what went up. if it is purely existing policies, obummer's, if it is new policies written for trump's EO then trump's. Why is this so hard for stupid fks like you?

Who gets the credit if they go down?

Trump gets all the credit now if they go up or down.

This doesn't just affect new policies. This affects ALL policies. Do you understand how any of this works? Everytime you reply it becomes clear that you don't have any fucking clue.

explain how it impacts existing policies exactly? come on let's debate that. do you have any clue?

Oh no, his talking points won't cover that. Being able to buy across state lines will lower premiums. Competition in the market, always lower prices.

I get it, you know more than the CBO.

You, the person who likely peaked in middle school and now whose life revolves around hating on dum libs on the internet know more than the CBO.

Apparently, even third graders know more than the CBO. They are wrong more often than right.

 

[g5000]

It does appear that Trump is making HC insurance more expensive both by cutting subsidies and making it easier to charge more for older and sicker, and he's aiming that directly at republicans in congress.

I'm not sure if he and Bannon are expecting this to help primary republicans or whether there is no strategy beyond being pissed off.

The ONLY strategy for Trump is to fire-up his base of cultists....trump does NOT care if the 2018 midterms slaughter republicans....his only care is accolades from his moronic following.

I agree that Trump's need to satisfy his base determines every action he takes or avoids. Maybe that's not unusual except for the fact that his base thinks everything gummit does beyond paying them money is useless, but I think his 35% base already blamed McConnell and to a lesser extent Ryan for the failure to repeal and replace. Trump promised his base that repeal and replace would begin on "day one," and you can't replace a law regulating HC in one day. Congress has things like committees, ranking members and hearings.

It's obvious Trump is making HC more expensive for millions to "punish" the gop because in the same week he and Bannon announce they'll primary republicans, and immediately after the EO's he tell the dems to "call me" to fix it. I'm sort of amazed at both the Turtle and Ryan's willingness to expect any good faith from this guy, but I was really surprised when Schumer and Pelosi thought they could do a deal on Daca.

I suspect Trump is just blowing more hot air on cutting a deal, and as Daca showed even if thought about a deal, he will have to renege as soon as his base gets wind of it.

35% is trump's job approval. His base is waaay smaller.

When there were umpteen Republican candidates, Trump never got above 35 percent of the primary vote.

If everyone else has a less than 35 percent approval, Trump wins. Trump might suck, but if his opponent(s) suck more, Trump wins.

I think the Democrats are forgetting this.

 

[g5000]

He's the "great negotiator" who had a "beautiful plan". All lies. Congress is to blame just as much as Trump. They all lied to you.

But now we get to finally see what Trump can do with healthcare and this is now ALL on him.

What does that smoke screen have to do with my statement that congress is responsible, other than you cannot stand the truth, like all regressive liars.

And none of what you said changes that what Trump has done with this executive order has begun Trumpcare.

Bullshit. Obamacare is still in place.
The EO didn't mandate anything. Anyone who wants to purchase Obamacare can freely do so.

He gutted the subsidies that help to keep premiums down. Read something for once.

Those subsidies are paid with tax dollars, dumb ass! He just saved us a lot of money!

Who is "us"?

Trump just took a lot of money away from millions and millions and millions of Americans who receive those subsidies. They are now going to be priced out of the health insurance market.

How do you think they will vote in the mid-terms?

Trump just fucked the Republican Congress.

 

[jc456]

What does that smoke screen have to do with my statement that congress is responsible, other than you cannot stand the truth, like all regressive liars.

And none of what you said changes that what Trump has done with this executive order has begun Trumpcare.

Bullshit. Obamacare is still in place.
The EO didn't mandate anything. Anyone who wants to purchase Obamacare can freely do so.

He gutted the subsidies that help to keep premiums down. Read something for once.

Those subsidies are paid with tax dollars, dumb ass! He just saved us a lot of money!

Who is "us"?

Trump just took a lot of money away from millions and millions and millions of Americans who receive those subsidies. They are now going to be priced out of the health insurance market.

How do you think they will vote in the mid-terms?

Trump just fucked the Republican Congress.

who didn't deserve them. who do you think voted for him?

 

[g5000]

And none of what you said changes that what Trump has done with this executive order has begun Trumpcare.

Bullshit. Obamacare is still in place.
The EO didn't mandate anything. Anyone who wants to purchase Obamacare can freely do so.

He gutted the subsidies that help to keep premiums down. Read something for once.

Those subsidies are paid with tax dollars, dumb ass! He just saved us a lot of money!

Who is "us"?

Trump just took a lot of money away from millions and millions and millions of Americans who receive those subsidies. They are now going to be priced out of the health insurance market.

How do you think they will vote in the mid-terms?

Trump just fucked the Republican Congress.

who didn't deserve them

Until Trump and the GOP fix healthcare, the American people sure do deserve the subsidies. The American government fucked up our health care system. The American government owes the American people, bigly.

 

[g5000]

take a break and go kiss a few RW asses adios.

Facts are facts pal.

take away jobs ?

the dems ?

you better check their record from the time 43 left to the time Obama left ... then go check your drawers and make sure you didnt shit yourself because youre the only one who believes that.

Once again child who had the war on coal? And remind us again where most of the jobs went ? (Not to the blue states)

See post 124.

Your war on coal is a hoax.

I can't get post numbers for some reason

And what hoax???? I thought you were older then me, hell even politico agrees from 2015..


Inside the war on coal




The war on coal is not just political rhetoric, or a paranoid fantasy concocted by rapacious polluters. It’s real and it’s relentless. Over the past five years, it has killed a coal-fired power plant every 10 days. It has quietly transformed the U.S. electric grid and the global climate debate.

The industry and its supporters use “war on coal” as shorthand for a ferocious assault by a hostile White House, but the real war on coal is not primarily an Obama war, or even a Washington war. It’s a guerrilla war. The front lines are not at the Environmental Protection Agency or the Supreme Court. If you want to see how the fossil fuel that once powered most of the country is being battered by enemy forces, you have to watch state and local hearings where utility commissions and other obscure governing bodies debate individual coal plants. You probably won’t find much drama. You’ll definitely find lawyers from the Sierra Club’s Beyond Coal campaign, the boots on the ground in the war on coal.

Beyond Coal is the most extensive, expensive and effective campaign in the Club’s 123-year history, and maybe the history of the environmental movement. It’s gone largely unnoticed amid the furor over the Keystone pipeline and President Barack Obama’s efforts to regulate carbon, but it’s helped retire more than one third of America’s coal plants since its launch in 2010, one dull hearing at a time. With a vast war chest donated by Michael Bloomberg, unlikely allies from the business world, and a strategy that relies more on economics than ecology, its team of nearly 200 litigators and organizers has won battles in the Midwestern and Appalachian coal belts, in the reddest of red states, in almost every state that burns coal.

“They’re sophisticated, they’re very active, and they’re better funded than we are,” says Mike Duncan, a former Republican National Committee chairman who now heads the industry-backed American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity. “I don’t like what they’re doing; we’re losing a lot of coal in this country. But they do show up.”

The war on coal is a hoax. See post 124.

 

[g5000]

Trump knew he was hoaxing the coal miners. He deliberately misled them. He's known the truth the whole time, and he lied right to their faces. He knew long ago the industry is going down. Here is what he said in a Playboy interview many years ago:



What satisfaction, exactly, do you get out of doing a deal?
I love the creative process. I do what I do out of pure enjoyment. Hopefully, nobody does it better. There’s a beauty to making a great deal. It’s my canvas. And I like painting it.

I like the challenge and tell the story of the coal miner’s son. The coal miner gets black-lung disease, his son gets it, then his son . If I had been the son of a coal miner, I would have left the damn mines. But most people don’t have the imagination–or whatever–to leave their mine. They don’t have “it.”

Which is?
“It” is an ability to become an entrepreneur, a great athlete, a great writer. You’re either born with it or you’re not. Ability can be honed, perfected or neglected. The day Jack Nicklaus came into this world, he had more innate ability to play golf than anybody else.


Trump spit right in the faces of coal miners in that interview. Trump considered coal miners to be too stupid to get another career. Trump said they don't have "it".

These dumb backward rubes have not caught on they've been hoaxed by a New York limousine liberal.