Trumpcare has Arrived

[MarkDuffy]

He wouldn't get 48% now.

Against Bernie Sanders he would. He might get 48% even now against Hillary.

It's just like I told the pseudocons about Obama. How much does your party have to suck to lose TWICE to an inexperienced, incompetent guy like Obama?

Now the circle closes. How much do the Dems have to suck to lose to one of their own? A pro-choice, cut-and-run, socialized medicine, pro-AWB, Democrat huckster from New York.

Trump fucking sucks. The Democrats fucking suck more.

In hindsight, Bernie would have beaten trump. He is white male.

Blame Hillary why he was not running against Trump. She stole the election from him

LOL this was really dumb by Bernie. All he had to do is join the Democratic Party. He didn't.

And this is another thing that would help in the general, the fact he was an Independent

 

[g5000]

Trump never had a plan. And the rubes have STILL not caught on.

The Emperor Has No Clothes

 

[g5000]

Without subsidies, insurance companies will leave the insurance exchanges in larger numbers now.

I would like one of Trump's Chumps to explain how someone who just lost their health insurance subsidy is going to be paying less for health insurance under TrumpCare.

But before you make fools of yourselves, look at this, and then explain:

 

[Siete]

The Affordable Care Act can no longer be blamed for rising premium costs.

It can and it will. It's the entire reason premiums have been shooting through the roof. Where is the average $2500 in savings we were promised?

coming from the subsidies Trump just canceled.

Oh, really? So why is it for the last seven years nobody saw those savings?

one more time ..

Source: Congressional Budget Office analysis "The Effects of Terminating Payments for Cost-Sharing Reductions," August 2017

More than half of the people who buy Obamacare plans on government-run exchanges qualify for reduced out-of-pocket health charges that the CSRs subsidize. Those customers have relatively low incomes.

A greater number of people, about 85 percent of all Obamacare exchange customers, qualify for subsidies that reduce their monthly plan premiums. Those subsidies, in the form of federal tax credits, are not at risk from the Trump administration action on CSRs.

In fact, those premium subsidies will offset the price hikes that are expected from the CSR cutoff for millions of people. That is, the value of the tax credit-based subsidy rises in step with premium prices — so if premiums go up, so do the subsidies.


so if premiums go up, so do the subsidies.
so if premiums go up, so do the subsidies.
so if premiums go up, so do the subsidies.
so if premiums go up, so do the subsidies.


get it ?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The Affordable Care Act can no longer be blamed for rising premium costs.

It can and it will. It's the entire reason premiums have been shooting through the roof. Where is the average $2500 in savings we were promised?

coming from the subsidies Trump just canceled.

Oh, really? So why is it for the last seven years nobody saw those savings?

they have, why do you think Trump killed them ?

RW dopes report on premium increases and magically forget to include subsidies that offset the increase, and ignore/deny if anyone else does.

I don't know if you're just that grossly misinformed or if you're a flat out liar.

In 2008, the average employer-sponsored family plan cost a total of $12,680, with employees footing $3,354 of the bill, according to Kaiser data. By 2016, the cost of the average employer family plan was up to $18,142 for the year, with workers picking up $5,277 of the tab.

These increased costs for employers and employees alike may seem steep—up around 50% over the past eight years—but they could have risen far higher had the Affordable Care Act never passed. The Kaiser study shows that average family premiums rose 20% from 2011 to 2016. That rate of increase is actually much lower than the previous five years (up 31% from 2006 to 2011) and the five years before that (up 63% from 2001 to 2006).

Here's What's Happened to Health Care Costs in America in the Obama Years

 

[MarkDuffy]

Epic legal battles shaping up over Trump's scrapping of Obamacare subsidies

President Donald Trump's move to cut off critical Obamacare subsidies will almost surely be tied up in the courts for years as Democratic-led states seek injunctions, while insurers seek to recover payments they say they’re owed.

“The market can only take so many shocks,” said Ceci Connolly, CEO of the Alliance of Community Health Plans. “We had hoped that a business person would have understood the implications to the market, but that seems not to be the case.”

Epic legal battles shaping up over Trump's scrapping of Obamacare subsidies

 

[jc456]

Bullshit. Obamacare is still in place.
The EO didn't mandate anything. Anyone who wants to purchase Obamacare can freely do so.

He gutted the subsidies that help to keep premiums down. Read something for once.

Those subsidies are paid with tax dollars, dumb ass! He just saved us a lot of money!

Who is "us"?

Trump just took a lot of money away from millions and millions and millions of Americans who receive those subsidies. They are now going to be priced out of the health insurance market.

How do you think they will vote in the mid-terms?

Trump just fucked the Republican Congress.

who didn't deserve them

Until Trump and the GOP fix healthcare, the American people sure do deserve the subsidies. The American government fucked up our health care system. The American government owes the American people, bigly.

the dems fked up by giving money away the people didn't want them to. Now the subsidies are gone. too bad.

 

[g5000]

It's amazing to me that pseudocons lack the most basic common sense and cannot see how someone who is currently receiving a subsidy who loses that subsidy is going to be financially harmed.

 

[jc456]

Epic legal battles shaping up over Trump's scrapping of Obamacare subsidies

President Donald Trump's move to cut off critical Obamacare subsidies will almost surely be tied up in the courts for years as Democratic-led states seek injunctions, while insurers seek to recover payments they say they’re owed.

“The market can only take so many shocks,” said Ceci Connolly, CEO of the Alliance of Community Health Plans. “We had hoped that a business person would have understood the implications to the market, but that seems not to be the case.”

Epic legal battles shaping up over Trump's scrapping of Obamacare subsidies

cry me a fking river. it's my fking money and they don't get it.

 

[RDD_1210]

The Affordable Care Act can no longer be blamed for rising premium costs.

It can and it will. It's the entire reason premiums have been shooting through the roof. Where is the average $2500 in savings we were promised?

Actually costs were rising even faster before the ACA and will continue to rise. Even faster now that Trump has pulled this stunt.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The Affordable Care Act can no longer be blamed for rising premium costs.

It can and it will. It's the entire reason premiums have been shooting through the roof. Where is the average $2500 in savings we were promised?

coming from the subsidies Trump just canceled.

Oh, really? So why is it for the last seven years nobody saw those savings?

one more time ..

Source: Congressional Budget Office analysis "The Effects of Terminating Payments for Cost-Sharing Reductions," August 2017

More than half of the people who buy Obamacare plans on government-run exchanges qualify for reduced out-of-pocket health charges that the CSRs subsidize. Those customers have relatively low incomes.

A greater number of people, about 85 percent of all Obamacare exchange customers, qualify for subsidies that reduce their monthly plan premiums. Those subsidies, in the form of federal tax credits, are not at risk from the Trump administration action on CSRs.

In fact, those premium subsidies will offset the price hikes that are expected from the CSR cutoff for millions of people. That is, the value of the tax credit-based subsidy rises in step with premium prices — so if premiums go up, so do the subsidies.


so if premiums go up, so do the subsidies.
so if premiums go up, so do the subsidies.
so if premiums go up, so do the subsidies.
so if premiums go up, so do the subsidies.


get it ?

One more time......

That's not what Obama said, is it? He said the average family would see a reduction of $2500 in premiums per year. That never happened. The average family's premiums continued to rise quite significantly. The large majority of people are not getting their insurance through the ObamaCare exchanges.

 

[Siete]

The Affordable Care Act can no longer be blamed for rising premium costs.

It can and it will. It's the entire reason premiums have been shooting through the roof. Where is the average $2500 in savings we were promised?

coming from the subsidies Trump just canceled.

Oh, really? So why is it for the last seven years nobody saw those savings?

they have, why do you think Trump killed them ?

RW dopes report on premium increases and magically forget to include subsidies that offset the increase, and ignore/deny if anyone else does.

I don't know if you're just that grossly misinformed or if you're a flat out liar.

In 2008, the average employer-sponsored family plan cost a total of $12,680, with employees footing $3,354 of the bill, according to Kaiser data. By 2016, the cost of the average employer family plan was up to $18,142 for the year, with workers picking up $5,277 of the tab.

These increased costs for employers and employees alike may seem steep—up around 50% over the past eight years—but they could have risen far higher had the Affordable Care Act never passed. The Kaiser study shows that average family premiums rose 20% from 2011 to 2016. That rate of increase is actually much lower than the previous five years (up 31% from 2006 to 2011) and the five years before that (up 63% from 2001 to 2006).

Here's What's Happened to Health Care Costs in America in the Obama Years

you should consider youre a fucking idiot if you honestly dont get the subsidies offset increases ..

 

[bendog]

We are now rapidly returning to the days before Obamacare, when insurance and health care costs were rising even faster than they did with Obamacare.

Trump has just put Congress in a corner. They have to come up with real health care reform that will stop health care costs from returning to the skyrocketing days of old which brought Obamacare into being in the first place.

Good luck with that, rubes!

Trump doesn't even want that.

Trump opposes bipartisan Obamacare rescue plan

He wants the pre-Obama days ... when 60plus supported universal care. I think we give too much credit to Trump. He deals in a binary world of "give me what I want or I'm gonna fuck you up."

 

[jc456]

It's amazing to me that pseudocons lack the most basic common sense and cannot see how someone who is currently receiving a subsidy who loses that subsidy is going to be financially harmed.

it sucks. It's like a guy who has a job and then the job says we don't need you or your other 350 colleagues and dumps your ass and you have no money or insurance. it is called business. it's called what one can afford.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The Affordable Care Act can no longer be blamed for rising premium costs.

It can and it will. It's the entire reason premiums have been shooting through the roof. Where is the average $2500 in savings we were promised?

Actually costs were rising even faster before the ACA and will continue to rise.

Did Obama say costs would rise less or did he say the average family would see a savings of $2500?

 

[g5000]

Eight years, and the GOP has never come up with a replacement.

So here's what we are going back to, rubes:

 

[MarkDuffy]

Epic legal battles shaping up over Trump's scrapping of Obamacare subsidies

President Donald Trump's move to cut off critical Obamacare subsidies will almost surely be tied up in the courts for years as Democratic-led states seek injunctions, while insurers seek to recover payments they say they’re owed.

“The market can only take so many shocks,” said Ceci Connolly, CEO of the Alliance of Community Health Plans. “We had hoped that a business person would have understood the implications to the market, but that seems not to be the case.”

Epic legal battles shaping up over Trump's scrapping of Obamacare subsidies

cry me a fking river. it's my fking money and they don't get it.

The health industry including insurance has been fleecing you for years.

 

[g5000]

The Affordable Care Act can no longer be blamed for rising premium costs.

It can and it will. It's the entire reason premiums have been shooting through the roof. Where is the average $2500 in savings we were promised?

Actually costs were rising even faster before the ACA and will continue to rise.

Did Obama say costs would rise less or did he say the average family would see a savings of $2500?

ObamaCare was a bait and switch con. It was a hoax.

However, here is the GOP plan below. Tell us which one you prefer:

 

[jc456]

Guess liberals just wanted Obamacare to fail on its own.. Trump is trying to save what he can because Obamacare was going to fail. Even liberals knew it was going to fail way before Trump was running for President..

Trump is making it fail even more catastrophically. He is pure evil since he didn't have a plan to replace it.

He lied to you, and you sit there and take it.

what was his lie? we wanted the subsidies stopped. It is exactly one of the reasons he was elected. you should know the facts.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

It can and it will. It's the entire reason premiums have been shooting through the roof. Where is the average $2500 in savings we were promised?

coming from the subsidies Trump just canceled.

Oh, really? So why is it for the last seven years nobody saw those savings?

they have, why do you think Trump killed them ?

RW dopes report on premium increases and magically forget to include subsidies that offset the increase, and ignore/deny if anyone else does.

I don't know if you're just that grossly misinformed or if you're a flat out liar.

In 2008, the average employer-sponsored family plan cost a total of $12,680, with employees footing $3,354 of the bill, according to Kaiser data. By 2016, the cost of the average employer family plan was up to $18,142 for the year, with workers picking up $5,277 of the tab.

These increased costs for employers and employees alike may seem steep—up around 50% over the past eight years—but they could have risen far higher had the Affordable Care Act never passed. The Kaiser study shows that average family premiums rose 20% from 2011 to 2016. That rate of increase is actually much lower than the previous five years (up 31% from 2006 to 2011) and the five years before that (up 63% from 2001 to 2006).

Here's What's Happened to Health Care Costs in America in the Obama Years

you should consider youre a fucking idiot if you honestly dont get the subsidies offset increases ..

Red herring. Why are you ignoring the false promise of $2500 in savings?