Trump may have been worse towards women than Bill ever was

[Fenton Lum]

20 reporters digging up the worst dirt they can and this is all they come up with.

No kidding, that why we're gonna be great again!

 

[tinydancer]

Crossing the Line: How Donald Trump
Behaved With Women in Private

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=0

“You like your candy,” he told an overweight female executive who oversaw the construction of his headquarters in Midtown Manhattan.

Temple Taggart, the 21-year-old Miss Utah, was startled by how forward he was with young contestants like her in 1997, his first year as the owner of Miss USA, a branch of the beauty pageant organization. As she recalls it, he introduced himself in an unusually intimate manner.

He kissed me directly on the lips. I thought, “Oh my God, gross.” He was married to Marla Maples at the time. I think there were a few other girls that he kissed on the mouth. I was like “Wow, that’s inappropriate.”

Donald Trump looked at Miss Alabama.

“Come here,” he said.

She took one more step forward.

“Tell me, who’s the most beautiful woman here?”

Miss Alabama’s eyes swam around.

“Besides me?” she said. “Uh, I like Arkansas. She’s sweet.”

“I don’t care if she’s sweet,” Donald Trump said. “Is she hot?” …

It became clear that the point of the whole exercise was for him to divide the room between girls he personally found attractive and those he did not. Many of the girls found the exercise humiliating. Some of the girls were sobbing backstage after he left, devastated to have failed even before the competition really began to impress “The Donald.”

“ ‘Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?’ ” Ms. Lee recalled him saying. ‘I was like, ‘Really?’ That’s just weird. She was 16. That’s creepy.”

He liked to brag about his sexual prowess and his desirability as a date, no matter who was around.

He was dismissive. It was always, “Hon,” “Dear.” Things he wouldn’t have said to a man. It was designed to make you feel small. And he did that repeatedly.

–Alair A. Townsend, former deputy mayor

It was an unthinking habit when he interacted with women, colleagues said. “At Trump Tower,” said Ms. Res, his longtime colleague, “he called me Honey Bunch.”
-----------------
Donald Trump stared at me throughout that meeting. He stared at me even while George was giving his presentation. … In the middle of it he says to George, “Are you sleeping with her?” Meaning me.

Mr. Houraney said in a recent interview that he was shocked by Mr. Trump’s response after he made clear that he and Ms. Harth were monogamous.

“He said: ‘Well, there’s always a first time. I am going after her,’ ” Mr. Houraney recalled, adding: “I thought the man was joking. I laughed. He said, ‘I am serious.’ ”

By the time the three of them were having dinner at the Oak Room of the Plaza Hotel the next night, Mr. Trump’s advances had turned physical, Ms. Harth said in the deposition.

“Basically he name-dropped throughout that dinner, when he wasn’t groping me under the table,” she testified. “Let me just say, this was a very traumatic thing working for him.”

Ms. Harth withdrew her own lawsuit against Mr. Trump alleging unwanted advances, but she has stood by her original claims.
---------------------------------
After Alicia Machado won the 1996 Miss Universe title, something very human happened: She gained weight. Mr. Trump did not keep his critique of her changing body quiet — he publicly shamed her, she said.

Mr. Trump said he had pushed her to lose weight. “To that, I will plead guilty,” he said, expressing no regret for his tactics.

But the humiliation, Ms. Machado said, was unbearable. “After that episode, I was sick, anorexia and bulimia for five years,” she said. “Over the past 20 years, I’ve gone to a lot of psychologists to combat this.”

------------------------------------------------

Wow. What a pig. Groping a woman while her boyfriend sat at the same table.

Kissing young girls on the lips he just met.

Getting excited about his own daughter.

And we haven't even entered the General Election. What will be coming next? He's so crude, we already knew something was coming.

The kool-aid drinkers will ignore reality the way they have been ignoring reality. They will whine about the Clinton's as a defence for Trump misdeeds.

Not whining. Coming out in droves to push back against the Bush/Clinton dynasties.

Nope, Trump defenders should be able to defend his controversial actions and comments with arguments of fact, not always relying on changing the subject and deflecting to the Clinton's. That is the pattern followed here at USMB. Start a thread about a Trump lie and within minutes, his kool-aid drinkers will be attempting to hijack the thread and deflect it away from the topic of Trump lies and change the subject.

Dear Camp, there are some really good folks here who can pick apart fact from internet hearsay.
Why not post a thread under CDZ and ask to verify what Trump lied about? I'd like to establish once and for all, if Cruz really did lie about anything, or the lies in the media were about him.

Whichever candidate, Clinton or Trump, is willing to admit they lied about something, and diplomatically correct it, that's what we need in office. Not this game of denial and projection of blame that anyone can play.

Maybe we should pick an issue with each candidate, and try to sort out what was true and what was manufactured either by the media or a political foe trying to muck things up. If we get stuck, after researching as best we can, the next step is to ask the people in that person's staff or campaign to straighten out the sources. And if we can't do that, I would ask for sworn testimonies of who said what, and is or is not willing to correct it. I am fed up with having people lie about stuff and get away with it because nobody can check until afterwards.

I understand Cruz' public image was most damaged by circulating lies about him that could never be straightened out because the media wouldn't cover or promote his correction statements.

We can't keep "assassinating characters in the media" of good potential leaders, while letting BULLIES win who play the game better. if someone will admit this, and make amends, I will count that as transparent.
But by making amends, I have a long list of what is owed to taxpayers in terms of reimbursement and reforms.
Anyone willing to take that on, yes, I would vote for and/or support in whatever office it takes to implement that level of corrections.

Cruz was the penultimate insider.

 

[tinydancer]

Crossing the Line: How Donald Trump
Behaved With Women in Private

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=0

“You like your candy,” he told an overweight female executive who oversaw the construction of his headquarters in Midtown Manhattan.

Temple Taggart, the 21-year-old Miss Utah, was startled by how forward he was with young contestants like her in 1997, his first year as the owner of Miss USA, a branch of the beauty pageant organization. As she recalls it, he introduced himself in an unusually intimate manner.

He kissed me directly on the lips. I thought, “Oh my God, gross.” He was married to Marla Maples at the time. I think there were a few other girls that he kissed on the mouth. I was like “Wow, that’s inappropriate.”

Donald Trump looked at Miss Alabama.

“Come here,” he said.

She took one more step forward.

“Tell me, who’s the most beautiful woman here?”

Miss Alabama’s eyes swam around.

“Besides me?” she said. “Uh, I like Arkansas. She’s sweet.”

“I don’t care if she’s sweet,” Donald Trump said. “Is she hot?” …

It became clear that the point of the whole exercise was for him to divide the room between girls he personally found attractive and those he did not. Many of the girls found the exercise humiliating. Some of the girls were sobbing backstage after he left, devastated to have failed even before the competition really began to impress “The Donald.”

“ ‘Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?’ ” Ms. Lee recalled him saying. ‘I was like, ‘Really?’ That’s just weird. She was 16. That’s creepy.”

He liked to brag about his sexual prowess and his desirability as a date, no matter who was around.

He was dismissive. It was always, “Hon,” “Dear.” Things he wouldn’t have said to a man. It was designed to make you feel small. And he did that repeatedly.

–Alair A. Townsend, former deputy mayor

It was an unthinking habit when he interacted with women, colleagues said. “At Trump Tower,” said Ms. Res, his longtime colleague, “he called me Honey Bunch.”
-----------------
Donald Trump stared at me throughout that meeting. He stared at me even while George was giving his presentation. … In the middle of it he says to George, “Are you sleeping with her?” Meaning me.

Mr. Houraney said in a recent interview that he was shocked by Mr. Trump’s response after he made clear that he and Ms. Harth were monogamous.

“He said: ‘Well, there’s always a first time. I am going after her,’ ” Mr. Houraney recalled, adding: “I thought the man was joking. I laughed. He said, ‘I am serious.’ ”

By the time the three of them were having dinner at the Oak Room of the Plaza Hotel the next night, Mr. Trump’s advances had turned physical, Ms. Harth said in the deposition.

“Basically he name-dropped throughout that dinner, when he wasn’t groping me under the table,” she testified. “Let me just say, this was a very traumatic thing working for him.”

Ms. Harth withdrew her own lawsuit against Mr. Trump alleging unwanted advances, but she has stood by her original claims.
---------------------------------
After Alicia Machado won the 1996 Miss Universe title, something very human happened: She gained weight. Mr. Trump did not keep his critique of her changing body quiet — he publicly shamed her, she said.

Mr. Trump said he had pushed her to lose weight. “To that, I will plead guilty,” he said, expressing no regret for his tactics.

But the humiliation, Ms. Machado said, was unbearable. “After that episode, I was sick, anorexia and bulimia for five years,” she said. “Over the past 20 years, I’ve gone to a lot of psychologists to combat this.”

------------------------------------------------

Wow. What a pig. Groping a woman while her boyfriend sat at the same table.

Kissing young girls on the lips he just met.

Getting excited about his own daughter.

And we haven't even entered the General Election. What will be coming next? He's so crude, we already knew something was coming.

The kool-aid drinkers will ignore reality the way they have been ignoring reality. They will whine about the Clinton's as a defence for Trump misdeeds.

Not whining. Coming out in droves to push back against the Bush/Clinton dynasties.

Nope, Trump defenders should be able to defend his controversial actions and comments with arguments of fact, not always relying on changing the subject and deflecting to the Clinton's. That is the pattern followed here at USMB. Start a thread about a Trump lie and within minutes, his kool-aid drinkers will be attempting to hijack the thread and deflect it away from the topic of Trump lies and change the subject.

Dear Camp, there are some really good folks here who can pick apart fact from internet hearsay.
Why not post a thread under CDZ and ask to verify what Trump lied about? I'd like to establish once and for all, if Cruz really did lie about anything, or the lies in the media were about him.

Whichever candidate, Clinton or Trump, is willing to admit they lied about something, and diplomatically correct it, that's what we need in office. Not this game of denial and projection of blame that anyone can play.

Maybe we should pick an issue with each candidate, and try to sort out what was true and what was manufactured either by the media or a political foe trying to muck things up. If we get stuck, after researching as best we can, the next step is to ask the people in that person's staff or campaign to straighten out the sources. And if we can't do that, I would ask for sworn testimonies of who said what, and is or is not willing to correct it. I am fed up with having people lie about stuff and get away with it because nobody can check until afterwards.

I understand Cruz' public image was most damaged by circulating lies about him that could never be straightened out because the media wouldn't cover or promote his correction statements.

We can't keep "assassinating characters in the media" of good potential leaders, while letting BULLIES win who play the game better. if someone will admit this, and make amends, I will count that as transparent.
But by making amends, I have a long list of what is owed to taxpayers in terms of reimbursement and reforms.
Anyone willing to take that on, yes, I would vote for and/or support in whatever office it takes to implement that level of corrections.

"We can't keep "assassinating characters in the media" of good potential leaders, while letting BULLIES win who play the game better."

That's why you're all the same to me.

So what have you ever changed in your life. I have changed political parties I hope for the better but what have you done newbie?

 

[emilynghiem]

Crossing the Line: How Donald Trump
Behaved With Women in Private

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=0

“You like your candy,” he told an overweight female executive who oversaw the construction of his headquarters in Midtown Manhattan.

Temple Taggart, the 21-year-old Miss Utah, was startled by how forward he was with young contestants like her in 1997, his first year as the owner of Miss USA, a branch of the beauty pageant organization. As she recalls it, he introduced himself in an unusually intimate manner.

He kissed me directly on the lips. I thought, “Oh my God, gross.” He was married to Marla Maples at the time. I think there were a few other girls that he kissed on the mouth. I was like “Wow, that’s inappropriate.”

Donald Trump looked at Miss Alabama.

“Come here,” he said.

She took one more step forward.

“Tell me, who’s the most beautiful woman here?”

Miss Alabama’s eyes swam around.

“Besides me?” she said. “Uh, I like Arkansas. She’s sweet.”

“I don’t care if she’s sweet,” Donald Trump said. “Is she hot?” …

It became clear that the point of the whole exercise was for him to divide the room between girls he personally found attractive and those he did not. Many of the girls found the exercise humiliating. Some of the girls were sobbing backstage after he left, devastated to have failed even before the competition really began to impress “The Donald.”

“ ‘Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?’ ” Ms. Lee recalled him saying. ‘I was like, ‘Really?’ That’s just weird. She was 16. That’s creepy.”

He liked to brag about his sexual prowess and his desirability as a date, no matter who was around.

He was dismissive. It was always, “Hon,” “Dear.” Things he wouldn’t have said to a man. It was designed to make you feel small. And he did that repeatedly.

–Alair A. Townsend, former deputy mayor

It was an unthinking habit when he interacted with women, colleagues said. “At Trump Tower,” said Ms. Res, his longtime colleague, “he called me Honey Bunch.”
-----------------
Donald Trump stared at me throughout that meeting. He stared at me even while George was giving his presentation. … In the middle of it he says to George, “Are you sleeping with her?” Meaning me.

Mr. Houraney said in a recent interview that he was shocked by Mr. Trump’s response after he made clear that he and Ms. Harth were monogamous.

“He said: ‘Well, there’s always a first time. I am going after her,’ ” Mr. Houraney recalled, adding: “I thought the man was joking. I laughed. He said, ‘I am serious.’ ”

By the time the three of them were having dinner at the Oak Room of the Plaza Hotel the next night, Mr. Trump’s advances had turned physical, Ms. Harth said in the deposition.

“Basically he name-dropped throughout that dinner, when he wasn’t groping me under the table,” she testified. “Let me just say, this was a very traumatic thing working for him.”

Ms. Harth withdrew her own lawsuit against Mr. Trump alleging unwanted advances, but she has stood by her original claims.
---------------------------------
After Alicia Machado won the 1996 Miss Universe title, something very human happened: She gained weight. Mr. Trump did not keep his critique of her changing body quiet — he publicly shamed her, she said.

Mr. Trump said he had pushed her to lose weight. “To that, I will plead guilty,” he said, expressing no regret for his tactics.

But the humiliation, Ms. Machado said, was unbearable. “After that episode, I was sick, anorexia and bulimia for five years,” she said. “Over the past 20 years, I’ve gone to a lot of psychologists to combat this.”

------------------------------------------------

Wow. What a pig. Groping a woman while her boyfriend sat at the same table.

Kissing young girls on the lips he just met.

Getting excited about his own daughter.

And we haven't even entered the General Election. What will be coming next? He's so crude, we already knew something was coming.

The kool-aid drinkers will ignore reality the way they have been ignoring reality. They will whine about the Clinton's as a defence for Trump misdeeds.

Not whining. Coming out in droves to push back against the Bush/Clinton dynasties.

Nope, Trump defenders should be able to defend his controversial actions and comments with arguments of fact, not always relying on changing the subject and deflecting to the Clinton's. That is the pattern followed here at USMB. Start a thread about a Trump lie and within minutes, his kool-aid drinkers will be attempting to hijack the thread and deflect it away from the topic of Trump lies and change the subject.

Dear Camp, there are some really good folks here who can pick apart fact from internet hearsay.
Why not post a thread under CDZ and ask to verify what Trump lied about? I'd like to establish once and for all, if Cruz really did lie about anything, or the lies in the media were about him.

Whichever candidate, Clinton or Trump, is willing to admit they lied about something, and diplomatically correct it, that's what we need in office. Not this game of denial and projection of blame that anyone can play.

Maybe we should pick an issue with each candidate, and try to sort out what was true and what was manufactured either by the media or a political foe trying to muck things up. If we get stuck, after researching as best we can, the next step is to ask the people in that person's staff or campaign to straighten out the sources. And if we can't do that, I would ask for sworn testimonies of who said what, and is or is not willing to correct it. I am fed up with having people lie about stuff and get away with it because nobody can check until afterwards.

I understand Cruz' public image was most damaged by circulating lies about him that could never be straightened out because the media wouldn't cover or promote his correction statements.

We can't keep "assassinating characters in the media" of good potential leaders, while letting BULLIES win who play the game better. if someone will admit this, and make amends, I will count that as transparent.
But by making amends, I have a long list of what is owed to taxpayers in terms of reimbursement and reforms.
Anyone willing to take that on, yes, I would vote for and/or support in whatever office it takes to implement that level of corrections.

"We can't keep "assassinating characters in the media" of good potential leaders, while letting BULLIES win who play the game better."

That's why you're all the same to me.

Who's all the same? Fenton Lum

I'm a prochoice progressive Green Democrat.
But I'm a Constitutionalist first, and don't believe any party's beliefs
should be railroaded through govt, but any issues of faith-based bias or belief
should be resolved by consensus, even if it means separating policies and funding
to prevent from violating or discriminating against beliefs through govt.

I don't think you will find many like me, who are prochoice
but will go to bat defending the rights of prolife people to have policies that don't infringe on their beliefs either.

I support Trump if he will lead a coalition style govt, employing all the other
leaders and parties in delegating tasks and creating jobs for everyone
fixing problems with govt, economy, health care, immigration, environment etc.
I'd support Trump/Sanders over Hillary Clinton if they'd work together on economic
rebuilding through business plans that resolve problems outside of govt. Govt
should focus on security issues, and remove the social programs that belong on local levels.

I would support Hillary Clinton if she could work with all other parties and leaders,
but if not, I would have to work with them directly myself if Democrats keep alienating
if not demonizing conservatives and refusing to work with them to enforce Constitutional standards on govt.

Fenton Lum can you explain how I am "all the same to you"
Do you know other Constitutionalists willing to work with people and leaders of all parties
on business plans to reform govt and social programs to be sustainable?

Do you know any other Democrats who are Constitutionalists?
Love to meet them if you can find them. I have trouble myself finding them.

If it's easier to explain what positions YOU take and support,
that may be faster. What are you about? What do you believe in or oppose?
Thanks Fenton Lum!

 

[Fenton Lum]

The kool-aid drinkers will ignore reality the way they have been ignoring reality. They will whine about the Clinton's as a defence for Trump misdeeds.

Not whining. Coming out in droves to push back against the Bush/Clinton dynasties.

Nope, Trump defenders should be able to defend his controversial actions and comments with arguments of fact, not always relying on changing the subject and deflecting to the Clinton's. That is the pattern followed here at USMB. Start a thread about a Trump lie and within minutes, his kool-aid drinkers will be attempting to hijack the thread and deflect it away from the topic of Trump lies and change the subject.

Dear Camp, there are some really good folks here who can pick apart fact from internet hearsay.
Why not post a thread under CDZ and ask to verify what Trump lied about? I'd like to establish once and for all, if Cruz really did lie about anything, or the lies in the media were about him.

Whichever candidate, Clinton or Trump, is willing to admit they lied about something, and diplomatically correct it, that's what we need in office. Not this game of denial and projection of blame that anyone can play.

Maybe we should pick an issue with each candidate, and try to sort out what was true and what was manufactured either by the media or a political foe trying to muck things up. If we get stuck, after researching as best we can, the next step is to ask the people in that person's staff or campaign to straighten out the sources. And if we can't do that, I would ask for sworn testimonies of who said what, and is or is not willing to correct it. I am fed up with having people lie about stuff and get away with it because nobody can check until afterwards.

I understand Cruz' public image was most damaged by circulating lies about him that could never be straightened out because the media wouldn't cover or promote his correction statements.

We can't keep "assassinating characters in the media" of good potential leaders, while letting BULLIES win who play the game better. if someone will admit this, and make amends, I will count that as transparent.
But by making amends, I have a long list of what is owed to taxpayers in terms of reimbursement and reforms.
Anyone willing to take that on, yes, I would vote for and/or support in whatever office it takes to implement that level of corrections.

"We can't keep "assassinating characters in the media" of good potential leaders, while letting BULLIES win who play the game better."

That's why you're all the same to me.

So what have you ever changed in your life. I have changed political parties I hope for the better but what have you done newbie?

I have learned how the power structure operates, how the illusion is theater and spectacle, and that "both" parties/sides are really one in the same when it comes to what is now a 5-6 decade long societal wealth extraction paradigm cannibalizing american society from within while the masses are soling themselves over the distractions the system lobs out for them to quibble over. Switching parties would kind of depend upon how old you are and when that came about given how the terms "comservative" and "liberal" have been sodomized into nothing more than hoolw epithets in my view, the parties themselves having moprhed into corporate entities. But as long as you feel true to yourself, that's what's important.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The kool-aid drinkers will ignore reality the way they have been ignoring reality. They will whine about the Clinton's as a defence for Trump misdeeds.

Not whining. Coming out in droves to push back against the Bush/Clinton dynasties.

Nope, Trump defenders should be able to defend his controversial actions and comments with arguments of fact, not always relying on changing the subject and deflecting to the Clinton's. That is the pattern followed here at USMB. Start a thread about a Trump lie and within minutes, his kool-aid drinkers will be attempting to hijack the thread and deflect it away from the topic of Trump lies and change the subject.

Dear Camp, there are some really good folks here who can pick apart fact from internet hearsay.
Why not post a thread under CDZ and ask to verify what Trump lied about? I'd like to establish once and for all, if Cruz really did lie about anything, or the lies in the media were about him.

Whichever candidate, Clinton or Trump, is willing to admit they lied about something, and diplomatically correct it, that's what we need in office. Not this game of denial and projection of blame that anyone can play.

Maybe we should pick an issue with each candidate, and try to sort out what was true and what was manufactured either by the media or a political foe trying to muck things up. If we get stuck, after researching as best we can, the next step is to ask the people in that person's staff or campaign to straighten out the sources. And if we can't do that, I would ask for sworn testimonies of who said what, and is or is not willing to correct it. I am fed up with having people lie about stuff and get away with it because nobody can check until afterwards.

I understand Cruz' public image was most damaged by circulating lies about him that could never be straightened out because the media wouldn't cover or promote his correction statements.

We can't keep "assassinating characters in the media" of good potential leaders, while letting BULLIES win who play the game better. if someone will admit this, and make amends, I will count that as transparent.
But by making amends, I have a long list of what is owed to taxpayers in terms of reimbursement and reforms.
Anyone willing to take that on, yes, I would vote for and/or support in whatever office it takes to implement that level of corrections.

"We can't keep "assassinating characters in the media" of good potential leaders, while letting BULLIES win who play the game better."

That's why you're all the same to me.

Who's all the same? Fenton Lum

I'm a prochoice progressive Green Democrat.
But I'm a Constitutionalist first, and don't believe any party's beliefs
should be railroaded through govt, but any issues of faith-based bias or belief
should be resolved by consensus, even if it means separating policies and funding
to prevent from violating or discriminating against beliefs through govt.

I don't think you will find many like me, who are prochoice
but will go to bat defending the rights of prolife people to have policies that don't infringe on their beliefs either.

I support Trump if he will lead a coalition style govt, employing all the other
leaders and parties in delegating tasks and creating jobs for everyone
fixing problems with govt, economy, health care, immigration, environment etc.
I'd support Trump/Sanders over Hillary Clinton if they'd work together on economic
rebuilding through business plans that resolve problems outside of govt. Govt
should focus on security issues, and remove the social programs that belong on local levels.

I would support Hillary Clinton if she could work with all other parties and leaders,
but if not, I would have to work with them directly myself if Democrats keep alienating
if not demonizing conservatives and refusing to work with them to enforce Constitutional standards on govt.

Fenton Lum can you explain how I am "all the same to you"
Do you know other Constitutionalists willing to work with people and leaders of all parties
on business plans to reform govt and social programs to be sustainable?

Do you know any other Democrats who are Constitutionalists?
Love to meet them if you can find them. I have trouble myself finding them.

If it's easier to explain what positions YOU take and support,
that may be faster. What are you about? What do you believe in or oppose?
Thanks Fenton Lum!

I'm talking about wallowing in the gutter so you don't get defeated by gutter wallowers, but thanks. Can't really see myself with either Trump or Hilary. Not about personalities or party to me, it's the entire system, that's the problem.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Dimocrats will have a lot of nerve complaining about Trump's manners around women.

Also, as far as I know, Trump didn't have a wife who ran the "Bimbo Eruption" division of his businesses.

 

[tinydancer]

Not whining. Coming out in droves to push back against the Bush/Clinton dynasties.

Nope, Trump defenders should be able to defend his controversial actions and comments with arguments of fact, not always relying on changing the subject and deflecting to the Clinton's. That is the pattern followed here at USMB. Start a thread about a Trump lie and within minutes, his kool-aid drinkers will be attempting to hijack the thread and deflect it away from the topic of Trump lies and change the subject.

Dear Camp, there are some really good folks here who can pick apart fact from internet hearsay.
Why not post a thread under CDZ and ask to verify what Trump lied about? I'd like to establish once and for all, if Cruz really did lie about anything, or the lies in the media were about him.

Whichever candidate, Clinton or Trump, is willing to admit they lied about something, and diplomatically correct it, that's what we need in office. Not this game of denial and projection of blame that anyone can play.

Maybe we should pick an issue with each candidate, and try to sort out what was true and what was manufactured either by the media or a political foe trying to muck things up. If we get stuck, after researching as best we can, the next step is to ask the people in that person's staff or campaign to straighten out the sources. And if we can't do that, I would ask for sworn testimonies of who said what, and is or is not willing to correct it. I am fed up with having people lie about stuff and get away with it because nobody can check until afterwards.

I understand Cruz' public image was most damaged by circulating lies about him that could never be straightened out because the media wouldn't cover or promote his correction statements.

We can't keep "assassinating characters in the media" of good potential leaders, while letting BULLIES win who play the game better. if someone will admit this, and make amends, I will count that as transparent.
But by making amends, I have a long list of what is owed to taxpayers in terms of reimbursement and reforms.
Anyone willing to take that on, yes, I would vote for and/or support in whatever office it takes to implement that level of corrections.

"We can't keep "assassinating characters in the media" of good potential leaders, while letting BULLIES win who play the game better."

That's why you're all the same to me.

So what have you ever changed in your life. I have changed political parties I hope for the better but what have you done newbie?

I have learned how the power structure operates, how the illusion is theater and spectacle, and that "both" parties/sides are really one in the same when it comes to what is now a 5-6 decade long societal wealth extraction paradigm cannibalizing american society from within while the masses are soling themselves over the distractions the system lobs out for them to quibble over. Switching parties would kind of depend upon how old you are and when that came about given how the terms "comservative" and "liberal" have been sodomized into nothing more than hoolw epithets in my view, the parties themselves having moprhed into corporate entities. But as long as you feel true to yourself, that's what's important.

And

 

[Fenton Lum]

Dimocrats will have a lot of nerve complaining about Trump's manners around women.

They should, but you know what that's like, partisashit.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Nope, Trump defenders should be able to defend his controversial actions and comments with arguments of fact, not always relying on changing the subject and deflecting to the Clinton's. That is the pattern followed here at USMB. Start a thread about a Trump lie and within minutes, his kool-aid drinkers will be attempting to hijack the thread and deflect it away from the topic of Trump lies and change the subject.

Dear Camp, there are some really good folks here who can pick apart fact from internet hearsay.
Why not post a thread under CDZ and ask to verify what Trump lied about? I'd like to establish once and for all, if Cruz really did lie about anything, or the lies in the media were about him.

Whichever candidate, Clinton or Trump, is willing to admit they lied about something, and diplomatically correct it, that's what we need in office. Not this game of denial and projection of blame that anyone can play.

Maybe we should pick an issue with each candidate, and try to sort out what was true and what was manufactured either by the media or a political foe trying to muck things up. If we get stuck, after researching as best we can, the next step is to ask the people in that person's staff or campaign to straighten out the sources. And if we can't do that, I would ask for sworn testimonies of who said what, and is or is not willing to correct it. I am fed up with having people lie about stuff and get away with it because nobody can check until afterwards.

I understand Cruz' public image was most damaged by circulating lies about him that could never be straightened out because the media wouldn't cover or promote his correction statements.

We can't keep "assassinating characters in the media" of good potential leaders, while letting BULLIES win who play the game better. if someone will admit this, and make amends, I will count that as transparent.
But by making amends, I have a long list of what is owed to taxpayers in terms of reimbursement and reforms.
Anyone willing to take that on, yes, I would vote for and/or support in whatever office it takes to implement that level of corrections.

"We can't keep "assassinating characters in the media" of good potential leaders, while letting BULLIES win who play the game better."

That's why you're all the same to me.

So what have you ever changed in your life. I have changed political parties I hope for the better but what have you done newbie?

I have learned how the power structure operates, how the illusion is theater and spectacle, and that "both" parties/sides are really one in the same when it comes to what is now a 5-6 decade long societal wealth extraction paradigm cannibalizing american society from within while the masses are soling themselves over the distractions the system lobs out for them to quibble over. Switching parties would kind of depend upon how old you are and when that came about given how the terms "comservative" and "liberal" have been sodomized into nothing more than hoolw epithets in my view, the parties themselves having moprhed into corporate entities. But as long as you feel true to yourself, that's what's important.

And

I know, not part of your perceptual reality, I'll manage to go on without your being impressed.

Somehow.

Good luck with that party change thing.

 

[rdean]

Crossing the Line: How Donald Trump
Behaved With Women in Private

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=0

“You like your candy,” he told an overweight female executive who oversaw the construction of his headquarters in Midtown Manhattan.

Temple Taggart, the 21-year-old Miss Utah, was startled by how forward he was with young contestants like her in 1997, his first year as the owner of Miss USA, a branch of the beauty pageant organization. As she recalls it, he introduced himself in an unusually intimate manner.

He kissed me directly on the lips. I thought, “Oh my God, gross.” He was married to Marla Maples at the time. I think there were a few other girls that he kissed on the mouth. I was like “Wow, that’s inappropriate.”

Donald Trump looked at Miss Alabama.

“Come here,” he said.

She took one more step forward.

“Tell me, who’s the most beautiful woman here?”

Miss Alabama’s eyes swam around.

“Besides me?” she said. “Uh, I like Arkansas. She’s sweet.”

“I don’t care if she’s sweet,” Donald Trump said. “Is she hot?” …

It became clear that the point of the whole exercise was for him to divide the room between girls he personally found attractive and those he did not. Many of the girls found the exercise humiliating. Some of the girls were sobbing backstage after he left, devastated to have failed even before the competition really began to impress “The Donald.”

“ ‘Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?’ ” Ms. Lee recalled him saying. ‘I was like, ‘Really?’ That’s just weird. She was 16. That’s creepy.”

He liked to brag about his sexual prowess and his desirability as a date, no matter who was around.

He was dismissive. It was always, “Hon,” “Dear.” Things he wouldn’t have said to a man. It was designed to make you feel small. And he did that repeatedly.

–Alair A. Townsend, former deputy mayor

It was an unthinking habit when he interacted with women, colleagues said. “At Trump Tower,” said Ms. Res, his longtime colleague, “he called me Honey Bunch.”
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Donald Trump stared at me throughout that meeting. He stared at me even while George was giving his presentation. … In the middle of it he says to George, “Are you sleeping with her?” Meaning me.

Mr. Houraney said in a recent interview that he was shocked by Mr. Trump’s response after he made clear that he and Ms. Harth were monogamous.

“He said: ‘Well, there’s always a first time. I am going after her,’ ” Mr. Houraney recalled, adding: “I thought the man was joking. I laughed. He said, ‘I am serious.’ ”

By the time the three of them were having dinner at the Oak Room of the Plaza Hotel the next night, Mr. Trump’s advances had turned physical, Ms. Harth said in the deposition.

“Basically he name-dropped throughout that dinner, when he wasn’t groping me under the table,” she testified. “Let me just say, this was a very traumatic thing working for him.”

Ms. Harth withdrew her own lawsuit against Mr. Trump alleging unwanted advances, but she has stood by her original claims.
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After Alicia Machado won the 1996 Miss Universe title, something very human happened: She gained weight. Mr. Trump did not keep his critique of her changing body quiet — he publicly shamed her, she said.

Mr. Trump said he had pushed her to lose weight. “To that, I will plead guilty,” he said, expressing no regret for his tactics.

But the humiliation, Ms. Machado said, was unbearable. “After that episode, I was sick, anorexia and bulimia for five years,” she said. “Over the past 20 years, I’ve gone to a lot of psychologists to combat this.”

------------------------------------------------

Wow. What a pig. Groping a woman while her boyfriend sat at the same table.

Kissing young girls on the lips he just met.

Getting excited about his own daughter.

And we haven't even entered the General Election. What will be coming next? He's so crude, we already knew something was coming.

Dear rdean

Juanita Broaddrick Still Haunts Hillary Clinton, by Ian Tuttle, National Review

^ THIS ^

I just read your link. He bit my lip so bad it needed ice? Too bad I didn't take a picture.
And white bread Bill made her so terrified she couldn't fight back?

The entire thing reads like a poor man's Peyton Place. Did anyone really take that seriously?????

 

[rdean]

Crossing the Line: How Donald Trump
Behaved With Women in Private

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=0

“You like your candy,” he told an overweight female executive who oversaw the construction of his headquarters in Midtown Manhattan.

Temple Taggart, the 21-year-old Miss Utah, was startled by how forward he was with young contestants like her in 1997, his first year as the owner of Miss USA, a branch of the beauty pageant organization. As she recalls it, he introduced himself in an unusually intimate manner.

He kissed me directly on the lips. I thought, “Oh my God, gross.” He was married to Marla Maples at the time. I think there were a few other girls that he kissed on the mouth. I was like “Wow, that’s inappropriate.”

Donald Trump looked at Miss Alabama.

“Come here,” he said.

She took one more step forward.

“Tell me, who’s the most beautiful woman here?”

Miss Alabama’s eyes swam around.

“Besides me?” she said. “Uh, I like Arkansas. She’s sweet.”

“I don’t care if she’s sweet,” Donald Trump said. “Is she hot?” …

It became clear that the point of the whole exercise was for him to divide the room between girls he personally found attractive and those he did not. Many of the girls found the exercise humiliating. Some of the girls were sobbing backstage after he left, devastated to have failed even before the competition really began to impress “The Donald.”

“ ‘Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?’ ” Ms. Lee recalled him saying. ‘I was like, ‘Really?’ That’s just weird. She was 16. That’s creepy.”

He liked to brag about his sexual prowess and his desirability as a date, no matter who was around.

He was dismissive. It was always, “Hon,” “Dear.” Things he wouldn’t have said to a man. It was designed to make you feel small. And he did that repeatedly.

–Alair A. Townsend, former deputy mayor

It was an unthinking habit when he interacted with women, colleagues said. “At Trump Tower,” said Ms. Res, his longtime colleague, “he called me Honey Bunch.”
-----------------
Donald Trump stared at me throughout that meeting. He stared at me even while George was giving his presentation. … In the middle of it he says to George, “Are you sleeping with her?” Meaning me.

Mr. Houraney said in a recent interview that he was shocked by Mr. Trump’s response after he made clear that he and Ms. Harth were monogamous.

“He said: ‘Well, there’s always a first time. I am going after her,’ ” Mr. Houraney recalled, adding: “I thought the man was joking. I laughed. He said, ‘I am serious.’ ”

By the time the three of them were having dinner at the Oak Room of the Plaza Hotel the next night, Mr. Trump’s advances had turned physical, Ms. Harth said in the deposition.

“Basically he name-dropped throughout that dinner, when he wasn’t groping me under the table,” she testified. “Let me just say, this was a very traumatic thing working for him.”

Ms. Harth withdrew her own lawsuit against Mr. Trump alleging unwanted advances, but she has stood by her original claims.
---------------------------------
After Alicia Machado won the 1996 Miss Universe title, something very human happened: She gained weight. Mr. Trump did not keep his critique of her changing body quiet — he publicly shamed her, she said.

Mr. Trump said he had pushed her to lose weight. “To that, I will plead guilty,” he said, expressing no regret for his tactics.

But the humiliation, Ms. Machado said, was unbearable. “After that episode, I was sick, anorexia and bulimia for five years,” she said. “Over the past 20 years, I’ve gone to a lot of psychologists to combat this.”

------------------------------------------------

Wow. What a pig. Groping a woman while her boyfriend sat at the same table.

Kissing young girls on the lips he just met.

Getting excited about his own daughter.

And we haven't even entered the General Election. What will be coming next? He's so crude, we already knew something was coming.

Dear rdean

Juanita Broaddrick Still Haunts Hillary Clinton, by Ian Tuttle, National Review

^ THIS ^

Not only that, they said "Anita Hill's testimony broke down in a couple of hours". After reading that, because it's such bullshit, I had do go find out about National Review. It's a Conservative Rag on the same level as Fox and Breitbart. Which explains a lot.

 

[HenryBHough]

Since Democrat Party Adherents were so approving of Slick's Trucks With a (fortunately) non-exploding cigar it logically would follow that they'd urge Trump on to new adventures.

 

[easyt65]

Trump worse to women than Bill Clinton, who made a career sexually assaulting, sexually harassing, raping, and committing adultery...while his wife attacked, threatened, bullied, demonized, and silenced his victims?

Anyone who can make that accusation is either uber partisan or insane.

 

[Care4all]

I think it's a good bet that Trump has cheated on 3 times as many wives as Bill Clinton has.

Clinton raped and sexually assaulted women in different ways AS president and governor.

No, Clinton has been accused of doing such things.

OMG you don't believe the women? Hillary said we should believe the women.

Hard to believe a woman who on a sworn affidavit stated that clinton DID NOT rape her etc

And hard to believe a woman who was truly raped would go to a fund raiser in support of her supposed rapist just 3 weeks after the alleged rape.

 

[easyt65]

Care, you want to base Clinton's sexually deviant history on one woman / one incident / case.

That's like ignoring all the details regarding the FBI investigation and claiming Hillary had the right to have her own server.

1 event does not make someone innocent. You have to look at Slick Willy's entire body of work...his harrassments, assaults, rapes, trial, disbarrment, impeachment, 'I did not have sex with that woman'...everything.

 

[Katzndogz]

It doesn't at all matter what partisan hacks on a message board say, each and every woman Bill Clinton abused and his wife continued to abuse still holds that grudge and will still come forward to get the ear of the public.

Clinton has a phone call from 1991,

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Wild bill is a monster. Add in his romps at the sex slave island and you have something even more sinister.

 

[Katzndogz]

Wild bill is a monster. Add in his romps at the sex slave island and you have something even more sinister.

Buuutttt. Trump had dinner with Epstein at his home in New York. That has to count for something.