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I don't believe His defense is required to publicly post their defense strategy.Because the court filings are public.
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I don't believe His defense is required to publicly post their defense strategy.Because the court filings are public.
You said it was the claim. All I’m saying is that it hasn’t been claimed yet, so you can’t say that.I don't believe His defense is required to publicly post their defense strategy.
I don't believe His defense is required to publicly post their defense strategy.
Trump is being tried in Connecticut?Under the principal of reciprocal discovery the defense is required to provide to the prosecution
If the POTUS decides to declassify only one copy of a classified document, he has that power. Because the executive has all the power over classified material. That's what the USSC ruled. The executived power of the United States is vested in the president, any powers held by subordinates comes form his delegation of some of that power..
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So far it's not. The link above is to all the court filings in the case. FPOTUS#45 (through his lawyers) has not made a claim before the court that he declassified the documents.
It can't be a "major component of the case" if the defense doesn't claim it as an affirmative defense. If they do, that is going to open up whole new avenues for the prosecution to impeach the claim. Dates, times, locations, context, verbal or written, witnesses documents, etc.
For the uninitiated, see below for why secret and mental declassification doesn't cut it.
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See this is what people that don't understand what "classified" shows. Documents are not "declassified" it is the information in the document that is declassified. The document is a piece of paper, it is the information that is important.
For example let’s say that there are 6 copies of a specific document containing specific classified information. One located in the White House, 5 located amongst various agencies which also need the document. In addition there are subordinate documents that contain (either in part of in whole some of the same classified information).
Under a normal process when the information contained in a highly classified documents is declassified (or downgraded) that impacts all copies of the document (its information, and subordinate documents containing the same information in whole or portions of a subordinate document).
So If the FPOTUS "declassified" a document, he is really declassifying the information in that document. If the FPOTUS, while acting as POTUS, "declassified" the information without telling anyone (either directly or in writing) for that specific document, you end up with:
The result is someone could be prosecuted for improper handling of classified material for actions related to the 5 responsible agency documents, but not for improper handling of the exact same document if the source of the document was the White House. But they contain the same information! By this we are talking about the information in the document and subordinate information which sourced the document which can have even wider reaching impacts.
- One copy of the information located at the White House (or one of his Country Clubs) being "declassified", and
- Five copies of the information located at the responsible agencies still being classified as the responsible agencies will not know the information was declassified because the FPOTUS (while POTUS) just mentally declassified the information in his head.
The national security infrastructure cannot function in a reasonable way if the same information is both classified and declassified at the same time simply because the POTUS chooses not to tell anyone.
Kind of a Schrodinger's Classified document where the same information is both classified and declassified at the same time until someone asks the FPOTUS to find out if he mentally and secretly declassified it without telling anyone while still POTUS. Normal people wouldn't know just by looking at the document.
If the POTUS decides to declassify only one copy of a classified document, he has that power.
According to the USSC, he does.I'll stop you right there. No he doesn't.
The president - not WorldWatcher - decides what is and is not classified. According to the USSC. Do you have a higher authority to cite?For the uninitiated. It's NOT the piece of paper that is classified, it's the information printed on the paper.
Declassifying the information means that it is declassified for all copies, which is why the whole "secret and mental" declassification without telling anyone will never fly in a court of law for reasonable people.
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According to the USSC, he does.
The president - not WorldWatcher - decides what is and is not classified. According to the USSC. Do you have a higher authority to cite?
Those rules you want to set have no application to the president.
No, not at all. I refer toNo they didn’t, assuming you are referring to the Judicial Watch case attempting to get audio tapes Clinton made with his historian.
He was when the documents in question left the White House.Trump isn’t President.
No, sir.He’s free to make free to make the claim in court, and I wish he would. As an affirmative defense it will be his responsibility to cite the dates, times, locations, conditions, context, who he notified, was it in person or was it in writing.
Yes, please make the claim in court.
What you mean is "sure they should," and I understand why you think that. We are so used to our government telling us that the secrets they keep from us are none of our business, and certainly cannot be shared with our elected representatives, it's easy for us to believe the myth that classified information has some magical quality that makes it classified and that ordinary mortals cannot be given access to it, even if the president wants them to see it.Sure they do, it only takes a basic understanding of what "classified" means.
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Berger took 1 classified document, and 4 copies of the 1 document. Plead guilty. Also lost his law license/his livelihood possibilities....a $50,000 fine...100 hours of community service....2 years of probation etc....Sandy Berger, who was caught stuffing classified doc's in his socks and pants, to erase some of the stuff Bill did, for one.
Berger wasn't authorized to do what he did.....Trump was. So Berger should set the precedent if their are any possible penalties for Trump then.Berger took 1 classified document, and 4 copies of the 1 document. Plead guilty. Also lost his law license/his livelihood possibilities....a $50,000 fine...100 hours of community service....2 years of probation etc....
Trump WAS NOT AUTHORIZED to do, nor for the enormity of what he did! That's the whole point of this trial, and the obstruction charges!Berger wasn't authorized to do what he did.....Trump was. So Berger should set the precedent if their are any possible penalties for Trump then.
The hell He wasn't.....Trump WAS NOT AUTHORIZED to do, nor for the enormity of what he did! That's the whole point of this trial, and the obstruction charges!
then "spy vs spy" is a documentary?What if the classified files contain old issues of Mad magazine?
Wrong, of course. The law is clear. That's why team trump is arguing for blanket immunity. This is also why Cannons insteuctions are so bizarre. They have no other defense.The hell He wasn't.....
No one stole classified documents other than Biden. Trump had all the authority needed to declassify and remove documents. Biden didn't.if you are cheering the theft, and release, of the classified documents you are as treasonous as trump is.
The argument is 'performing presidential duties'. And there hasn't been a SCOTUS ruling regarding presidential immunity in that regard.That's why team trump is arguing for blanket immunity.
Trump had all the authority needed to declassify and remove documents.
He's made public statements quite few times. I seriously doubt His defense would toss anything into the public arena regarding their defensive strategies.FPOTUS#45 has made no claim in any court documents that I know of where he as claimed to have declassified the documents prior to Noon, January 20, 2021.
He's made public statements quite few times. I seriously doubt His defense would toss anything into the public arena regarding their defensive strategies.