Trump Fascism

[jc456]

Trump is a fascist. Everybody knows this.

Nobody even knows what fascism means.

The 14 points of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    

In short, TRUMPISM

You do realize that every single one of those, I can link directly to the left-wing..... right?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Every single time Trump does anything, you say "That's UnAmerican". "That's not what America stands for!" and so on. Using a claim to nationalism, to advance politics.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   The murder of half a million babies every year, the protection of criminals, at the expense of victims, rape, murder, and so on.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   While the current Democrat party is not pro-military, they will become pro-military the moment they can use it for political benefit. Every left-wing government in human history has. From the Soviets, to Chavez, to Pol Pot, to Mao, to Castro. Even then, the Left-wing has no problem using military-style storm troopers whenever they wish against US citizens. View attachment 276379 View attachment 276380
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The left-wing is extraordinarily sexist constantly. Look at how they treated Sarah Palin, and Nikki Haley, and Carrie Prejean, and the list goes on and on and on. The left has no problem targetting someone over their gender, if they don't tow the left-wing line. Was it not Hillary herself, that blamed all those white women for 'obeying their husbands' and not voting for her?
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, dozens of all left-wing news outlets all parroting the Democrat party lines. And was it not Obama that targeted Fox News? Was it not the Democrats in the 90s that tried to pass the "Hush Rush" law? They have done everything they can to shut down the only small sources of media that is not left-wing bias in nature.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear? I would be hard pressed to see how any citizen of the US, now lives in fear.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   I do not see that religious leaders are dictating US policy, or even have significant influence, and I certainly do not see that Trump is even remotely religious.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   Corporate power was never protected in any Fascist state. It certainly wasn't in Germany. A corporation was ordered, and controlled, to build and produce, exactly what the government wanted. Have you never watched Schindler's list?
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Stalin forced millions of people into gulags to produce labor for the country. I'm not sure what comparison you would make to connect the power of "labor" here, to Fascism.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Watch Expelled The disdain for intellectuals and arts is vastly greater on the left-wing.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    See pictures above. The left-wing punishes the law abiding citizens, and protects the evil and criminal. I'll take obsession with crime and punishment over, your system of anarchy injustice, and evil.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    You mean like Al Gore selling the Elk Hills oil reserve, to Occidental Petroleum, that Al Gore happen to have hundreds of thousand of dollars in stock in? Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Many Obama supporters pushed Obama policy for personal gain.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Last I checked the Democrats were opposed to even requiring an ID to vote.

You've proved one thing, you never completed a course in expository writing.

14: I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

13: One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

12: The Left-Wing is not defined; I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.

11: LOL, How much more ludicrous can you get?

10: The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

9: Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

8: Trump and the Republican Party oppose abortion, not out of any moral compass, but to continue to secure the vote of the Clergy, many of whom lack the ethos of Jesus in all other matters (aiding the poor, capital punishment, healing the sick).

7: Hate and fear mongering, locking up mothers and separating them from their children for crossing the border seeking asylum. Trump's Emergency Orders when he created the border issue, and the only real emergency is the deaths of a hundred or more Americans ODing on Opiates everyday.

6: Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

5. Donald Trump is a lounge lizard, cheated on his wives, bribed women to keep quiet for his sexual peccadilloes, and attacked the character of all the women who accused him of untoward sexual advances.

4. See the budget, no money to speak of for domestic needs, but padding the budget of the Military beyond that of all other nation's. When it suited him he attacked Sen. McCain's service, and has still not fixed the VA (one of many broken promses).

3. This is true, you even admit Trump's hate and fear have been focused on minorities, liberal Democrats and now Jews who don't support him.

2. Another overreach. Abortion is legal, and Trump has abused the power of the office by attacking a Supreme Court Decision and laying blame on the Democrats, liberals and progressives.

That said, the numbers of migrants suffering on the border are beyond question to be victims of trumps callous conservatism.

1. White Nationalism is not patriotism. The United States population is diverse, and needs a leader to support all of our citizens with protections for their lives, liberty and happiness.

what is the purpose of a labor union exactly?

 

[jc456]

No idiot, that is nothing like a fascist.

Sure what ever you say fascist.
Trump’s War on the Press Follows the Mussolini and Hitler Playbook

Hitler and Mussolini had a media because fascists have media.

I want to eliminate the media.

You are even more Hitler than Hitler. You want people to know nothing. You want to shoot Democrats. You make Hitler look meek.

So you support the Democrat propaganda machine, is that what you're saying?

Democrats are decent. They believe in equality, love, brotherhood, helping those in need, and even more importantly Democrats believe in standing against prejudices, and antisemitism.

or not

 

[Wry Catcher]

Trump is a fascist. Everybody knows this.

Nobody even knows what fascism means.

The 14 points of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    

In short, TRUMPISM

You do realize that every single one of those, I can link directly to the left-wing..... right?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Every single time Trump does anything, you say "That's UnAmerican". "That's not what America stands for!" and so on. Using a claim to nationalism, to advance politics.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   The murder of half a million babies every year, the protection of criminals, at the expense of victims, rape, murder, and so on.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   While the current Democrat party is not pro-military, they will become pro-military the moment they can use it for political benefit. Every left-wing government in human history has. From the Soviets, to Chavez, to Pol Pot, to Mao, to Castro. Even then, the Left-wing has no problem using military-style storm troopers whenever they wish against US citizens. View attachment 276379 View attachment 276380
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The left-wing is extraordinarily sexist constantly. Look at how they treated Sarah Palin, and Nikki Haley, and Carrie Prejean, and the list goes on and on and on. The left has no problem targetting someone over their gender, if they don't tow the left-wing line. Was it not Hillary herself, that blamed all those white women for 'obeying their husbands' and not voting for her?
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, dozens of all left-wing news outlets all parroting the Democrat party lines. And was it not Obama that targeted Fox News? Was it not the Democrats in the 90s that tried to pass the "Hush Rush" law? They have done everything they can to shut down the only small sources of media that is not left-wing bias in nature.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear? I would be hard pressed to see how any citizen of the US, now lives in fear.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   I do not see that religious leaders are dictating US policy, or even have significant influence, and I certainly do not see that Trump is even remotely religious.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   Corporate power was never protected in any Fascist state. It certainly wasn't in Germany. A corporation was ordered, and controlled, to build and produce, exactly what the government wanted. Have you never watched Schindler's list?
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Stalin forced millions of people into gulags to produce labor for the country. I'm not sure what comparison you would make to connect the power of "labor" here, to Fascism.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Watch Expelled The disdain for intellectuals and arts is vastly greater on the left-wing.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    See pictures above. The left-wing punishes the law abiding citizens, and protects the evil and criminal. I'll take obsession with crime and punishment over, your system of anarchy injustice, and evil.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    You mean like Al Gore selling the Elk Hills oil reserve, to Occidental Petroleum, that Al Gore happen to have hundreds of thousand of dollars in stock in? Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Many Obama supporters pushed Obama policy for personal gain.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Last I checked the Democrats were opposed to even requiring an ID to vote.

You've proved one thing, you never completed a course in expository writing.

14: I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

13: One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

12: The Left-Wing is not defined; I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.

11: LOL, How much more ludicrous can you get?

10: The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

9: Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

8: Trump and the Republican Party oppose abortion, not out of any moral compass, but to continue to secure the vote of the Clergy, many of whom lack the ethos of Jesus in all other matters (aiding the poor, capital punishment, healing the sick).

7: Hate and fear mongering, locking up mothers and separating them from their children for crossing the border seeking asylum. Trump's Emergency Orders when he created the border issue, and the only real emergency is the deaths of a hundred or more Americans ODing on Opiates everyday.

6: Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

5. Donald Trump is a lounge lizard, cheated on his wives, bribed women to keep quiet for his sexual peccadilloes, and attacked the character of all the women who accused him of untoward sexual advances.

4. See the budget, no money to speak of for domestic needs, but padding the budget of the Military beyond that of all other nation's. When it suited him he attacked Sen. McCain's service, and has still not fixed the VA (one of many broken promses).

3. This is true, you even admit Trump's hate and fear have been focused on minorities, liberal Democrats and now Jews who don't support him.

2. Another overreach. Abortion is legal, and Trump has abused the power of the office by attacking a Supreme Court Decision and laying blame on the Democrats, liberals and progressives.

That said, the numbers of migrants suffering on the border are beyond question to be victims of trumps callous conservatism.

1. White Nationalism is not patriotism. The United States population is diverse, and needs a leader to support all of our citizens with protections for their lives, liberty and happiness.

what is the purpose of a labor union exactly?

I see you've never taken a course in history, that's sad but it proves why you are what you are.

 

[Andylusion]

Trump is a fascist. Everybody knows this.

Nobody even knows what fascism means.

The 14 points of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    

In short, TRUMPISM

You do realize that every single one of those, I can link directly to the left-wing..... right?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Every single time Trump does anything, you say "That's UnAmerican". "That's not what America stands for!" and so on. Using a claim to nationalism, to advance politics.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   The murder of half a million babies every year, the protection of criminals, at the expense of victims, rape, murder, and so on.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   While the current Democrat party is not pro-military, they will become pro-military the moment they can use it for political benefit. Every left-wing government in human history has. From the Soviets, to Chavez, to Pol Pot, to Mao, to Castro. Even then, the Left-wing has no problem using military-style storm troopers whenever they wish against US citizens. View attachment 276379 View attachment 276380
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The left-wing is extraordinarily sexist constantly. Look at how they treated Sarah Palin, and Nikki Haley, and Carrie Prejean, and the list goes on and on and on. The left has no problem targetting someone over their gender, if they don't tow the left-wing line. Was it not Hillary herself, that blamed all those white women for 'obeying their husbands' and not voting for her?
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, dozens of all left-wing news outlets all parroting the Democrat party lines. And was it not Obama that targeted Fox News? Was it not the Democrats in the 90s that tried to pass the "Hush Rush" law? They have done everything they can to shut down the only small sources of media that is not left-wing bias in nature.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear? I would be hard pressed to see how any citizen of the US, now lives in fear.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   I do not see that religious leaders are dictating US policy, or even have significant influence, and I certainly do not see that Trump is even remotely religious.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   Corporate power was never protected in any Fascist state. It certainly wasn't in Germany. A corporation was ordered, and controlled, to build and produce, exactly what the government wanted. Have you never watched Schindler's list?
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Stalin forced millions of people into gulags to produce labor for the country. I'm not sure what comparison you would make to connect the power of "labor" here, to Fascism.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Watch Expelled The disdain for intellectuals and arts is vastly greater on the left-wing.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    See pictures above. The left-wing punishes the law abiding citizens, and protects the evil and criminal. I'll take obsession with crime and punishment over, your system of anarchy injustice, and evil.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    You mean like Al Gore selling the Elk Hills oil reserve, to Occidental Petroleum, that Al Gore happen to have hundreds of thousand of dollars in stock in? Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Many Obama supporters pushed Obama policy for personal gain.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Last I checked the Democrats were opposed to even requiring an ID to vote.

You've proved one thing, you never completed a course in expository writing.

14: I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

13: One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

12: The Left-Wing is not defined; I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.

11: LOL, How much more ludicrous can you get?

10: The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

9: Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

8: Trump and the Republican Party oppose abortion, not out of any moral compass, but to continue to secure the vote of the Clergy, many of whom lack the ethos of Jesus in all other matters (aiding the poor, capital punishment, healing the sick).

7: Hate and fear mongering, locking up mothers and separating them from their children for crossing the border seeking asylum. Trump's Emergency Orders when he created the border issue, and the only real emergency is the deaths of a hundred or more Americans ODing on Opiates everyday.

6: Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

5. Donald Trump is a lounge lizard, cheated on his wives, bribed women to keep quiet for his sexual peccadilloes, and attacked the character of all the women who accused him of untoward sexual advances.

4. See the budget, no money to speak of for domestic needs, but padding the budget of the Military beyond that of all other nation's. When it suited him he attacked Sen. McCain's service, and has still not fixed the VA (one of many broken promses).

3. This is true, you even admit Trump's hate and fear have been focused on minorities, liberal Democrats and now Jews who don't support him.

2. Another overreach. Abortion is legal, and Trump has abused the power of the office by attacking a Supreme Court Decision and laying blame on the Democrats, liberals and progressives.

That said, the numbers of migrants suffering on the border are beyond question to be victims of trumps callous conservatism.

1. White Nationalism is not patriotism. The United States population is diverse, and needs a leader to support all of our citizens with protections for their lives, liberty and happiness.

There it nothing 'white nationalist' about Trump.

Murdering children is legal. That still does not make it moral, right, or something we should not oppose. Evil should be opposed, whether you make evil legal or not.

You can even mention jews, while supporting left-wingers who actively hate jews everywhere?

You can't 'fix' the VA. The VA is a socialized system, and socialism can never be 'fix'. Trump attacked McCain, because McCain attacked Trump. That doesn't make it right, but it also shows Trump doesn't randomly attack people.

Yes, everyone knows Trump is garbage with women. At least he didn't rape people or abuse people, like Bill Clinton did. I'll take garbage over felon, any day.

Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

So what? You claimed the right-wing was against free speech, and in favor of control of the media. What does any of what you said, have anything to do with that statement? Nothing. Do you believe the media should be free? Or do you believe that the Democrats should have passed the hush-rush law? Yes or no?

Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

If you can prove this, go for it. Prove how 'harmed' the middle and working people are? Want me to post my 401K and IRA portfolio which has done well? Want to show the low unemployment? And please show how companies are engaging in tax fraud, and nothing happens to them?

The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

You claim to be for the working man. Ok... explain to me how I should not be allowed to work as a plumber, unless I am a member of a union? Which of us is in favor of the rights of the working man, when you say I should not be allowed to work, unless I join a special group for your benefit? And what are unions? A bunch of fat cats living off the working man.

One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

There were numerous examples, I only gave the most obvious and glaring one. However, saying I didn't give evidence... I did. Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Soros and other Obama cronies, influenced policy for personal gain repeatedly. The book is detailed in how this was done.

The Left-Wing is not defined I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.
I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

I like how when people paint the left-wing ideology with a broad brush... you immediately try and claim that you are different.

But that obviously didn't stop you from painting all Republicans with a broad brush.

Regardless of you personally, the Democrats have openly pushed having an anyone anywhere can vote, with or without ID. Hell, Bernie Sanders even wanted convicted rapist and murderers voting for him.



And people still support this guy, which tells you what the Democrat party stands for.

And you can say you yourself did blaw blaw blaw... that doesn't change left-wing democrats marching in the streets chanting we want dead cops.



Hell you pathetic swine, couldn't even give a moment of silence at the DNC convention....




That's the reality of your party, and your political ideology. Now face the truth, and stop whining.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Trump is a fascist. Everybody knows this.

Nobody even knows what fascism means.

The 14 points of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    

In short, TRUMPISM

You do realize that every single one of those, I can link directly to the left-wing..... right?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Every single time Trump does anything, you say "That's UnAmerican". "That's not what America stands for!" and so on. Using a claim to nationalism, to advance politics.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   The murder of half a million babies every year, the protection of criminals, at the expense of victims, rape, murder, and so on.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   While the current Democrat party is not pro-military, they will become pro-military the moment they can use it for political benefit. Every left-wing government in human history has. From the Soviets, to Chavez, to Pol Pot, to Mao, to Castro. Even then, the Left-wing has no problem using military-style storm troopers whenever they wish against US citizens. View attachment 276379 View attachment 276380
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The left-wing is extraordinarily sexist constantly. Look at how they treated Sarah Palin, and Nikki Haley, and Carrie Prejean, and the list goes on and on and on. The left has no problem targetting someone over their gender, if they don't tow the left-wing line. Was it not Hillary herself, that blamed all those white women for 'obeying their husbands' and not voting for her?
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, dozens of all left-wing news outlets all parroting the Democrat party lines. And was it not Obama that targeted Fox News? Was it not the Democrats in the 90s that tried to pass the "Hush Rush" law? They have done everything they can to shut down the only small sources of media that is not left-wing bias in nature.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear? I would be hard pressed to see how any citizen of the US, now lives in fear.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   I do not see that religious leaders are dictating US policy, or even have significant influence, and I certainly do not see that Trump is even remotely religious.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   Corporate power was never protected in any Fascist state. It certainly wasn't in Germany. A corporation was ordered, and controlled, to build and produce, exactly what the government wanted. Have you never watched Schindler's list?
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Stalin forced millions of people into gulags to produce labor for the country. I'm not sure what comparison you would make to connect the power of "labor" here, to Fascism.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Watch Expelled The disdain for intellectuals and arts is vastly greater on the left-wing.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    See pictures above. The left-wing punishes the law abiding citizens, and protects the evil and criminal. I'll take obsession with crime and punishment over, your system of anarchy injustice, and evil.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    You mean like Al Gore selling the Elk Hills oil reserve, to Occidental Petroleum, that Al Gore happen to have hundreds of thousand of dollars in stock in? Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Many Obama supporters pushed Obama policy for personal gain.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Last I checked the Democrats were opposed to even requiring an ID to vote.

You've proved one thing, you never completed a course in expository writing.

14: I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

13: One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

12: The Left-Wing is not defined; I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.

11: LOL, How much more ludicrous can you get?

10: The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

9: Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

8: Trump and the Republican Party oppose abortion, not out of any moral compass, but to continue to secure the vote of the Clergy, many of whom lack the ethos of Jesus in all other matters (aiding the poor, capital punishment, healing the sick).

7: Hate and fear mongering, locking up mothers and separating them from their children for crossing the border seeking asylum. Trump's Emergency Orders when he created the border issue, and the only real emergency is the deaths of a hundred or more Americans ODing on Opiates everyday.

6: Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

5. Donald Trump is a lounge lizard, cheated on his wives, bribed women to keep quiet for his sexual peccadilloes, and attacked the character of all the women who accused him of untoward sexual advances.

4. See the budget, no money to speak of for domestic needs, but padding the budget of the Military beyond that of all other nation's. When it suited him he attacked Sen. McCain's service, and has still not fixed the VA (one of many broken promses).

3. This is true, you even admit Trump's hate and fear have been focused on minorities, liberal Democrats and now Jews who don't support him.

2. Another overreach. Abortion is legal, and Trump has abused the power of the office by attacking a Supreme Court Decision and laying blame on the Democrats, liberals and progressives.

That said, the numbers of migrants suffering on the border are beyond question to be victims of trumps callous conservatism.

1. White Nationalism is not patriotism. The United States population is diverse, and needs a leader to support all of our citizens with protections for their lives, liberty and happiness.

There it nothing 'white nationalist' about Trump.

Murdering children is legal. That still does not make it moral, right, or something we should not oppose. Evil should be opposed, whether you make evil legal or not.

You can even mention jews, while supporting left-wingers who actively hate jews everywhere?

You can't 'fix' the VA. The VA is a socialized system, and socialism can never be 'fix'. Trump attacked McCain, because McCain attacked Trump. That doesn't make it right, but it also shows Trump doesn't randomly attack people.

Yes, everyone knows Trump is garbage with women. At least he didn't rape people or abuse people, like Bill Clinton did. I'll take garbage over felon, any day.

Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

So what? You claimed the right-wing was against free speech, and in favor of control of the media. What does any of what you said, have anything to do with that statement? Nothing. Do you believe the media should be free? Or do you believe that the Democrats should have passed the hush-rush law? Yes or no?

Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

If you can prove this, go for it. Prove how 'harmed' the middle and working people are? Want me to post my 401K and IRA portfolio which has done well? Want to show the low unemployment? And please show how companies are engaging in tax fraud, and nothing happens to them?

The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

You claim to be for the working man. Ok... explain to me how I should not be allowed to work as a plumber, unless I am a member of a union? Which of us is in favor of the rights of the working man, when you say I should not be allowed to work, unless I join a special group for your benefit? And what are unions? A bunch of fat cats living off the working man.

One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

There were numerous examples, I only gave the most obvious and glaring one. However, saying I didn't give evidence... I did. Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Soros and other Obama cronies, influenced policy for personal gain repeatedly. The book is detailed in how this was done.

The Left-Wing is not defined I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.
I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

I like how when people paint the left-wing ideology with a broad brush... you immediately try and claim that you are different.

But that obviously didn't stop you from painting all Republicans with a broad brush.

Regardless of you personally, the Democrats have openly pushed having an anyone anywhere can vote, with or without ID. Hell, Bernie Sanders even wanted convicted rapist and murderers voting for him.



And people still support this guy, which tells you what the Democrat party stands for.

And you can say you yourself did blaw blaw blaw... that doesn't change left-wing democrats marching in the streets chanting we want dead cops.



Hell you pathetic swine, couldn't even give a moment of silence at the DNC convention....




That's the reality of your party, and your political ideology. Now face the truth, and stop whining.

"There it nothing 'white nationalist' about Trump"

That's as far as I got. Have a nice day.

 

[Andylusion]

Nobody even knows what fascism means.

The 14 points of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    

In short, TRUMPISM

You do realize that every single one of those, I can link directly to the left-wing..... right?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Every single time Trump does anything, you say "That's UnAmerican". "That's not what America stands for!" and so on. Using a claim to nationalism, to advance politics.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   The murder of half a million babies every year, the protection of criminals, at the expense of victims, rape, murder, and so on.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   While the current Democrat party is not pro-military, they will become pro-military the moment they can use it for political benefit. Every left-wing government in human history has. From the Soviets, to Chavez, to Pol Pot, to Mao, to Castro. Even then, the Left-wing has no problem using military-style storm troopers whenever they wish against US citizens. View attachment 276379 View attachment 276380
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The left-wing is extraordinarily sexist constantly. Look at how they treated Sarah Palin, and Nikki Haley, and Carrie Prejean, and the list goes on and on and on. The left has no problem targetting someone over their gender, if they don't tow the left-wing line. Was it not Hillary herself, that blamed all those white women for 'obeying their husbands' and not voting for her?
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, dozens of all left-wing news outlets all parroting the Democrat party lines. And was it not Obama that targeted Fox News? Was it not the Democrats in the 90s that tried to pass the "Hush Rush" law? They have done everything they can to shut down the only small sources of media that is not left-wing bias in nature.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear? I would be hard pressed to see how any citizen of the US, now lives in fear.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   I do not see that religious leaders are dictating US policy, or even have significant influence, and I certainly do not see that Trump is even remotely religious.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   Corporate power was never protected in any Fascist state. It certainly wasn't in Germany. A corporation was ordered, and controlled, to build and produce, exactly what the government wanted. Have you never watched Schindler's list?
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Stalin forced millions of people into gulags to produce labor for the country. I'm not sure what comparison you would make to connect the power of "labor" here, to Fascism.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Watch Expelled The disdain for intellectuals and arts is vastly greater on the left-wing.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    See pictures above. The left-wing punishes the law abiding citizens, and protects the evil and criminal. I'll take obsession with crime and punishment over, your system of anarchy injustice, and evil.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    You mean like Al Gore selling the Elk Hills oil reserve, to Occidental Petroleum, that Al Gore happen to have hundreds of thousand of dollars in stock in? Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Many Obama supporters pushed Obama policy for personal gain.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Last I checked the Democrats were opposed to even requiring an ID to vote.

You've proved one thing, you never completed a course in expository writing.

14: I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

13: One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

12: The Left-Wing is not defined; I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.

11: LOL, How much more ludicrous can you get?

10: The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

9: Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

8: Trump and the Republican Party oppose abortion, not out of any moral compass, but to continue to secure the vote of the Clergy, many of whom lack the ethos of Jesus in all other matters (aiding the poor, capital punishment, healing the sick).

7: Hate and fear mongering, locking up mothers and separating them from their children for crossing the border seeking asylum. Trump's Emergency Orders when he created the border issue, and the only real emergency is the deaths of a hundred or more Americans ODing on Opiates everyday.

6: Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

5. Donald Trump is a lounge lizard, cheated on his wives, bribed women to keep quiet for his sexual peccadilloes, and attacked the character of all the women who accused him of untoward sexual advances.

4. See the budget, no money to speak of for domestic needs, but padding the budget of the Military beyond that of all other nation's. When it suited him he attacked Sen. McCain's service, and has still not fixed the VA (one of many broken promses).

3. This is true, you even admit Trump's hate and fear have been focused on minorities, liberal Democrats and now Jews who don't support him.

2. Another overreach. Abortion is legal, and Trump has abused the power of the office by attacking a Supreme Court Decision and laying blame on the Democrats, liberals and progressives.

That said, the numbers of migrants suffering on the border are beyond question to be victims of trumps callous conservatism.

1. White Nationalism is not patriotism. The United States population is diverse, and needs a leader to support all of our citizens with protections for their lives, liberty and happiness.

what is the purpose of a labor union exactly?

I see you've never taken a course in history, that's sad but it proves why you are what you are.

History.....

Really? You have to go back to the 1800s, to justify something today?

Look, I get that in the 1800s and even early 1900s, we had things like Mining Towns.

The company paid to have a rail road built, paid to have people moved there, paid for the housing, to food, everything.... and in return people were paid in company dollars, only usable at the company store.

This made it almost impossible for people to do anything, but stay working in the mine. They were trapped. They couldn't buy a wagon, because the company store didn't stock wagons, and why would they? You don't need it. The mine is right there. People didn't have money, or a way to leave. They were trapped in the mining town.

In that situation, I understand why unions were needed. I get it. Makes sense.

Please tell me who, anywhere is trapped? I had a job that paid me $8/hour, when you consider how many hows I worked, and how much it cost me to do that job.

What did I do? Form a union? Try and force management to pay more?

No I quit. I found another job that pays better. In fact I just did that this month. My last day at my current job is next week.

There is no value to a union today.

 

[Andylusion]

Nobody even knows what fascism means.

The 14 points of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    

In short, TRUMPISM

You do realize that every single one of those, I can link directly to the left-wing..... right?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Every single time Trump does anything, you say "That's UnAmerican". "That's not what America stands for!" and so on. Using a claim to nationalism, to advance politics.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   The murder of half a million babies every year, the protection of criminals, at the expense of victims, rape, murder, and so on.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   While the current Democrat party is not pro-military, they will become pro-military the moment they can use it for political benefit. Every left-wing government in human history has. From the Soviets, to Chavez, to Pol Pot, to Mao, to Castro. Even then, the Left-wing has no problem using military-style storm troopers whenever they wish against US citizens. View attachment 276379 View attachment 276380
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The left-wing is extraordinarily sexist constantly. Look at how they treated Sarah Palin, and Nikki Haley, and Carrie Prejean, and the list goes on and on and on. The left has no problem targetting someone over their gender, if they don't tow the left-wing line. Was it not Hillary herself, that blamed all those white women for 'obeying their husbands' and not voting for her?
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, dozens of all left-wing news outlets all parroting the Democrat party lines. And was it not Obama that targeted Fox News? Was it not the Democrats in the 90s that tried to pass the "Hush Rush" law? They have done everything they can to shut down the only small sources of media that is not left-wing bias in nature.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear? I would be hard pressed to see how any citizen of the US, now lives in fear.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   I do not see that religious leaders are dictating US policy, or even have significant influence, and I certainly do not see that Trump is even remotely religious.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   Corporate power was never protected in any Fascist state. It certainly wasn't in Germany. A corporation was ordered, and controlled, to build and produce, exactly what the government wanted. Have you never watched Schindler's list?
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Stalin forced millions of people into gulags to produce labor for the country. I'm not sure what comparison you would make to connect the power of "labor" here, to Fascism.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Watch Expelled The disdain for intellectuals and arts is vastly greater on the left-wing.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    See pictures above. The left-wing punishes the law abiding citizens, and protects the evil and criminal. I'll take obsession with crime and punishment over, your system of anarchy injustice, and evil.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    You mean like Al Gore selling the Elk Hills oil reserve, to Occidental Petroleum, that Al Gore happen to have hundreds of thousand of dollars in stock in? Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Many Obama supporters pushed Obama policy for personal gain.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Last I checked the Democrats were opposed to even requiring an ID to vote.

You've proved one thing, you never completed a course in expository writing.

14: I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

13: One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

12: The Left-Wing is not defined; I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.

11: LOL, How much more ludicrous can you get?

10: The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

9: Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

8: Trump and the Republican Party oppose abortion, not out of any moral compass, but to continue to secure the vote of the Clergy, many of whom lack the ethos of Jesus in all other matters (aiding the poor, capital punishment, healing the sick).

7: Hate and fear mongering, locking up mothers and separating them from their children for crossing the border seeking asylum. Trump's Emergency Orders when he created the border issue, and the only real emergency is the deaths of a hundred or more Americans ODing on Opiates everyday.

6: Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

5. Donald Trump is a lounge lizard, cheated on his wives, bribed women to keep quiet for his sexual peccadilloes, and attacked the character of all the women who accused him of untoward sexual advances.

4. See the budget, no money to speak of for domestic needs, but padding the budget of the Military beyond that of all other nation's. When it suited him he attacked Sen. McCain's service, and has still not fixed the VA (one of many broken promses).

3. This is true, you even admit Trump's hate and fear have been focused on minorities, liberal Democrats and now Jews who don't support him.

2. Another overreach. Abortion is legal, and Trump has abused the power of the office by attacking a Supreme Court Decision and laying blame on the Democrats, liberals and progressives.

That said, the numbers of migrants suffering on the border are beyond question to be victims of trumps callous conservatism.

1. White Nationalism is not patriotism. The United States population is diverse, and needs a leader to support all of our citizens with protections for their lives, liberty and happiness.

There it nothing 'white nationalist' about Trump.

Murdering children is legal. That still does not make it moral, right, or something we should not oppose. Evil should be opposed, whether you make evil legal or not.

You can even mention jews, while supporting left-wingers who actively hate jews everywhere?

You can't 'fix' the VA. The VA is a socialized system, and socialism can never be 'fix'. Trump attacked McCain, because McCain attacked Trump. That doesn't make it right, but it also shows Trump doesn't randomly attack people.

Yes, everyone knows Trump is garbage with women. At least he didn't rape people or abuse people, like Bill Clinton did. I'll take garbage over felon, any day.

Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

So what? You claimed the right-wing was against free speech, and in favor of control of the media. What does any of what you said, have anything to do with that statement? Nothing. Do you believe the media should be free? Or do you believe that the Democrats should have passed the hush-rush law? Yes or no?

Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

If you can prove this, go for it. Prove how 'harmed' the middle and working people are? Want me to post my 401K and IRA portfolio which has done well? Want to show the low unemployment? And please show how companies are engaging in tax fraud, and nothing happens to them?

The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

You claim to be for the working man. Ok... explain to me how I should not be allowed to work as a plumber, unless I am a member of a union? Which of us is in favor of the rights of the working man, when you say I should not be allowed to work, unless I join a special group for your benefit? And what are unions? A bunch of fat cats living off the working man.

One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

There were numerous examples, I only gave the most obvious and glaring one. However, saying I didn't give evidence... I did. Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Soros and other Obama cronies, influenced policy for personal gain repeatedly. The book is detailed in how this was done.

The Left-Wing is not defined I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.
I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

I like how when people paint the left-wing ideology with a broad brush... you immediately try and claim that you are different.

But that obviously didn't stop you from painting all Republicans with a broad brush.

Regardless of you personally, the Democrats have openly pushed having an anyone anywhere can vote, with or without ID. Hell, Bernie Sanders even wanted convicted rapist and murderers voting for him.



And people still support this guy, which tells you what the Democrat party stands for.

And you can say you yourself did blaw blaw blaw... that doesn't change left-wing democrats marching in the streets chanting we want dead cops.



Hell you pathetic swine, couldn't even give a moment of silence at the DNC convention....




That's the reality of your party, and your political ideology. Now face the truth, and stop whining.

"There it nothing 'white nationalist' about Trump"

That's as far as I got. Have a nice day.

Bigot. Have a nice day.

 

[jc456]

Nobody even knows what fascism means.

The 14 points of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    

In short, TRUMPISM

You do realize that every single one of those, I can link directly to the left-wing..... right?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Every single time Trump does anything, you say "That's UnAmerican". "That's not what America stands for!" and so on. Using a claim to nationalism, to advance politics.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   The murder of half a million babies every year, the protection of criminals, at the expense of victims, rape, murder, and so on.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   While the current Democrat party is not pro-military, they will become pro-military the moment they can use it for political benefit. Every left-wing government in human history has. From the Soviets, to Chavez, to Pol Pot, to Mao, to Castro. Even then, the Left-wing has no problem using military-style storm troopers whenever they wish against US citizens. View attachment 276379 View attachment 276380
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The left-wing is extraordinarily sexist constantly. Look at how they treated Sarah Palin, and Nikki Haley, and Carrie Prejean, and the list goes on and on and on. The left has no problem targetting someone over their gender, if they don't tow the left-wing line. Was it not Hillary herself, that blamed all those white women for 'obeying their husbands' and not voting for her?
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, dozens of all left-wing news outlets all parroting the Democrat party lines. And was it not Obama that targeted Fox News? Was it not the Democrats in the 90s that tried to pass the "Hush Rush" law? They have done everything they can to shut down the only small sources of media that is not left-wing bias in nature.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear? I would be hard pressed to see how any citizen of the US, now lives in fear.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   I do not see that religious leaders are dictating US policy, or even have significant influence, and I certainly do not see that Trump is even remotely religious.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   Corporate power was never protected in any Fascist state. It certainly wasn't in Germany. A corporation was ordered, and controlled, to build and produce, exactly what the government wanted. Have you never watched Schindler's list?
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Stalin forced millions of people into gulags to produce labor for the country. I'm not sure what comparison you would make to connect the power of "labor" here, to Fascism.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Watch Expelled The disdain for intellectuals and arts is vastly greater on the left-wing.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    See pictures above. The left-wing punishes the law abiding citizens, and protects the evil and criminal. I'll take obsession with crime and punishment over, your system of anarchy injustice, and evil.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    You mean like Al Gore selling the Elk Hills oil reserve, to Occidental Petroleum, that Al Gore happen to have hundreds of thousand of dollars in stock in? Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Many Obama supporters pushed Obama policy for personal gain.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Last I checked the Democrats were opposed to even requiring an ID to vote.

You've proved one thing, you never completed a course in expository writing.

14: I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

13: One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

12: The Left-Wing is not defined; I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.

11: LOL, How much more ludicrous can you get?

10: The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

9: Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

8: Trump and the Republican Party oppose abortion, not out of any moral compass, but to continue to secure the vote of the Clergy, many of whom lack the ethos of Jesus in all other matters (aiding the poor, capital punishment, healing the sick).

7: Hate and fear mongering, locking up mothers and separating them from their children for crossing the border seeking asylum. Trump's Emergency Orders when he created the border issue, and the only real emergency is the deaths of a hundred or more Americans ODing on Opiates everyday.

6: Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

5. Donald Trump is a lounge lizard, cheated on his wives, bribed women to keep quiet for his sexual peccadilloes, and attacked the character of all the women who accused him of untoward sexual advances.

4. See the budget, no money to speak of for domestic needs, but padding the budget of the Military beyond that of all other nation's. When it suited him he attacked Sen. McCain's service, and has still not fixed the VA (one of many broken promses).

3. This is true, you even admit Trump's hate and fear have been focused on minorities, liberal Democrats and now Jews who don't support him.

2. Another overreach. Abortion is legal, and Trump has abused the power of the office by attacking a Supreme Court Decision and laying blame on the Democrats, liberals and progressives.

That said, the numbers of migrants suffering on the border are beyond question to be victims of trumps callous conservatism.

1. White Nationalism is not patriotism. The United States population is diverse, and needs a leader to support all of our citizens with protections for their lives, liberty and happiness.

what is the purpose of a labor union exactly?

I see you've never taken a course in history, that's sad but it proves why you are what you are.

so you don't have any reason to worry if someone doesn't want to join one. why do you wish to force individuals to join a union. They must pay money to them, perhaps you should learn some history. BTW, it looks like the auto union is in trouble in Detroit. Yeah, tell us the greatness of a union and I'll laugh at you.

 

[jc456]

The 14 points of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    

In short, TRUMPISM

You do realize that every single one of those, I can link directly to the left-wing..... right?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Every single time Trump does anything, you say "That's UnAmerican". "That's not what America stands for!" and so on. Using a claim to nationalism, to advance politics.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   The murder of half a million babies every year, the protection of criminals, at the expense of victims, rape, murder, and so on.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   While the current Democrat party is not pro-military, they will become pro-military the moment they can use it for political benefit. Every left-wing government in human history has. From the Soviets, to Chavez, to Pol Pot, to Mao, to Castro. Even then, the Left-wing has no problem using military-style storm troopers whenever they wish against US citizens. View attachment 276379 View attachment 276380
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The left-wing is extraordinarily sexist constantly. Look at how they treated Sarah Palin, and Nikki Haley, and Carrie Prejean, and the list goes on and on and on. The left has no problem targetting someone over their gender, if they don't tow the left-wing line. Was it not Hillary herself, that blamed all those white women for 'obeying their husbands' and not voting for her?
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, dozens of all left-wing news outlets all parroting the Democrat party lines. And was it not Obama that targeted Fox News? Was it not the Democrats in the 90s that tried to pass the "Hush Rush" law? They have done everything they can to shut down the only small sources of media that is not left-wing bias in nature.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear? I would be hard pressed to see how any citizen of the US, now lives in fear.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   I do not see that religious leaders are dictating US policy, or even have significant influence, and I certainly do not see that Trump is even remotely religious.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   Corporate power was never protected in any Fascist state. It certainly wasn't in Germany. A corporation was ordered, and controlled, to build and produce, exactly what the government wanted. Have you never watched Schindler's list?
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Stalin forced millions of people into gulags to produce labor for the country. I'm not sure what comparison you would make to connect the power of "labor" here, to Fascism.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Watch Expelled The disdain for intellectuals and arts is vastly greater on the left-wing.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    See pictures above. The left-wing punishes the law abiding citizens, and protects the evil and criminal. I'll take obsession with crime and punishment over, your system of anarchy injustice, and evil.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    You mean like Al Gore selling the Elk Hills oil reserve, to Occidental Petroleum, that Al Gore happen to have hundreds of thousand of dollars in stock in? Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Many Obama supporters pushed Obama policy for personal gain.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Last I checked the Democrats were opposed to even requiring an ID to vote.

You've proved one thing, you never completed a course in expository writing.

14: I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

13: One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

12: The Left-Wing is not defined; I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.

11: LOL, How much more ludicrous can you get?

10: The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

9: Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

8: Trump and the Republican Party oppose abortion, not out of any moral compass, but to continue to secure the vote of the Clergy, many of whom lack the ethos of Jesus in all other matters (aiding the poor, capital punishment, healing the sick).

7: Hate and fear mongering, locking up mothers and separating them from their children for crossing the border seeking asylum. Trump's Emergency Orders when he created the border issue, and the only real emergency is the deaths of a hundred or more Americans ODing on Opiates everyday.

6: Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

5. Donald Trump is a lounge lizard, cheated on his wives, bribed women to keep quiet for his sexual peccadilloes, and attacked the character of all the women who accused him of untoward sexual advances.

4. See the budget, no money to speak of for domestic needs, but padding the budget of the Military beyond that of all other nation's. When it suited him he attacked Sen. McCain's service, and has still not fixed the VA (one of many broken promses).

3. This is true, you even admit Trump's hate and fear have been focused on minorities, liberal Democrats and now Jews who don't support him.

2. Another overreach. Abortion is legal, and Trump has abused the power of the office by attacking a Supreme Court Decision and laying blame on the Democrats, liberals and progressives.

That said, the numbers of migrants suffering on the border are beyond question to be victims of trumps callous conservatism.

1. White Nationalism is not patriotism. The United States population is diverse, and needs a leader to support all of our citizens with protections for their lives, liberty and happiness.

what is the purpose of a labor union exactly?

I see you've never taken a course in history, that's sad but it proves why you are what you are.

History.....

Really? You have to go back to the 1800s, to justify something today?

Look, I get that in the 1800s and even early 1900s, we had things like Mining Towns.

The company paid to have a rail road built, paid to have people moved there, paid for the housing, to food, everything.... and in return people were paid in company dollars, only usable at the company store.

This made it almost impossible for people to do anything, but stay working in the mine. They were trapped. They couldn't buy a wagon, because the company store didn't stock wagons, and why would they? You don't need it. The mine is right there. People didn't have money, or a way to leave. They were trapped in the mining town.

In that situation, I understand why unions were needed. I get it. Makes sense.

Please tell me who, anywhere is trapped? I had a job that paid me $8/hour, when you consider how many hows I worked, and how much it cost me to do that job.

What did I do? Form a union? Try and force management to pay more?

No I quit. I found another job that pays better. In fact I just did that this month. My last day at my current job is next week.

There is no value to a union today.

the only value is with the union getting paid from the employees. otherwise they go bye bye. bye bye

 

[Wry Catcher]

The 14 points of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    

In short, TRUMPISM

You do realize that every single one of those, I can link directly to the left-wing..... right?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Every single time Trump does anything, you say "That's UnAmerican". "That's not what America stands for!" and so on. Using a claim to nationalism, to advance politics.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   The murder of half a million babies every year, the protection of criminals, at the expense of victims, rape, murder, and so on.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   While the current Democrat party is not pro-military, they will become pro-military the moment they can use it for political benefit. Every left-wing government in human history has. From the Soviets, to Chavez, to Pol Pot, to Mao, to Castro. Even then, the Left-wing has no problem using military-style storm troopers whenever they wish against US citizens. View attachment 276379 View attachment 276380
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The left-wing is extraordinarily sexist constantly. Look at how they treated Sarah Palin, and Nikki Haley, and Carrie Prejean, and the list goes on and on and on. The left has no problem targetting someone over their gender, if they don't tow the left-wing line. Was it not Hillary herself, that blamed all those white women for 'obeying their husbands' and not voting for her?
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, dozens of all left-wing news outlets all parroting the Democrat party lines. And was it not Obama that targeted Fox News? Was it not the Democrats in the 90s that tried to pass the "Hush Rush" law? They have done everything they can to shut down the only small sources of media that is not left-wing bias in nature.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear? I would be hard pressed to see how any citizen of the US, now lives in fear.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   I do not see that religious leaders are dictating US policy, or even have significant influence, and I certainly do not see that Trump is even remotely religious.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   Corporate power was never protected in any Fascist state. It certainly wasn't in Germany. A corporation was ordered, and controlled, to build and produce, exactly what the government wanted. Have you never watched Schindler's list?
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Stalin forced millions of people into gulags to produce labor for the country. I'm not sure what comparison you would make to connect the power of "labor" here, to Fascism.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Watch Expelled The disdain for intellectuals and arts is vastly greater on the left-wing.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    See pictures above. The left-wing punishes the law abiding citizens, and protects the evil and criminal. I'll take obsession with crime and punishment over, your system of anarchy injustice, and evil.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    You mean like Al Gore selling the Elk Hills oil reserve, to Occidental Petroleum, that Al Gore happen to have hundreds of thousand of dollars in stock in? Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Many Obama supporters pushed Obama policy for personal gain.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Last I checked the Democrats were opposed to even requiring an ID to vote.

You've proved one thing, you never completed a course in expository writing.

14: I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

13: One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

12: The Left-Wing is not defined; I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.

11: LOL, How much more ludicrous can you get?

10: The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

9: Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

8: Trump and the Republican Party oppose abortion, not out of any moral compass, but to continue to secure the vote of the Clergy, many of whom lack the ethos of Jesus in all other matters (aiding the poor, capital punishment, healing the sick).

7: Hate and fear mongering, locking up mothers and separating them from their children for crossing the border seeking asylum. Trump's Emergency Orders when he created the border issue, and the only real emergency is the deaths of a hundred or more Americans ODing on Opiates everyday.

6: Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

5. Donald Trump is a lounge lizard, cheated on his wives, bribed women to keep quiet for his sexual peccadilloes, and attacked the character of all the women who accused him of untoward sexual advances.

4. See the budget, no money to speak of for domestic needs, but padding the budget of the Military beyond that of all other nation's. When it suited him he attacked Sen. McCain's service, and has still not fixed the VA (one of many broken promses).

3. This is true, you even admit Trump's hate and fear have been focused on minorities, liberal Democrats and now Jews who don't support him.

2. Another overreach. Abortion is legal, and Trump has abused the power of the office by attacking a Supreme Court Decision and laying blame on the Democrats, liberals and progressives.

That said, the numbers of migrants suffering on the border are beyond question to be victims of trumps callous conservatism.

1. White Nationalism is not patriotism. The United States population is diverse, and needs a leader to support all of our citizens with protections for their lives, liberty and happiness.

what is the purpose of a labor union exactly?

I see you've never taken a course in history, that's sad but it proves why you are what you are.

so you don't have any reason to worry if someone doesn't want to join one. why do you wish to force individuals to join a union. They must pay money to them, perhaps you should learn some history. BTW, it looks like the auto union is in trouble in Detroit. Yeah, tell us the greatness of a union and I'll laugh at you.

Actually I was a manager and had many battles with labor union business agents. The unions I negotiated with (never on wages or benefits) dealt with personnel issues / violations of department policies.

Personnel did not need to join the union, but were represented anyway according to the Memos of Understanding. They were required to make a monthly donation taken from their paychecks to one of several NGO's in the same amount as dues paying members of the unions.

My undergraduate degrees were Poli Sci and History, primarily US History. Upper division history courses were specific, such as the History of Labor in the US; The Diplomatic History of the US, the Economic History of the US, etc.

 

[jc456]

You do realize that every single one of those, I can link directly to the left-wing..... right?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Every single time Trump does anything, you say "That's UnAmerican". "That's not what America stands for!" and so on. Using a claim to nationalism, to advance politics.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   The murder of half a million babies every year, the protection of criminals, at the expense of victims, rape, murder, and so on.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   While the current Democrat party is not pro-military, they will become pro-military the moment they can use it for political benefit. Every left-wing government in human history has. From the Soviets, to Chavez, to Pol Pot, to Mao, to Castro. Even then, the Left-wing has no problem using military-style storm troopers whenever they wish against US citizens. View attachment 276379 View attachment 276380
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The left-wing is extraordinarily sexist constantly. Look at how they treated Sarah Palin, and Nikki Haley, and Carrie Prejean, and the list goes on and on and on. The left has no problem targetting someone over their gender, if they don't tow the left-wing line. Was it not Hillary herself, that blamed all those white women for 'obeying their husbands' and not voting for her?
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, dozens of all left-wing news outlets all parroting the Democrat party lines. And was it not Obama that targeted Fox News? Was it not the Democrats in the 90s that tried to pass the "Hush Rush" law? They have done everything they can to shut down the only small sources of media that is not left-wing bias in nature.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear? I would be hard pressed to see how any citizen of the US, now lives in fear.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   I do not see that religious leaders are dictating US policy, or even have significant influence, and I certainly do not see that Trump is even remotely religious.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   Corporate power was never protected in any Fascist state. It certainly wasn't in Germany. A corporation was ordered, and controlled, to build and produce, exactly what the government wanted. Have you never watched Schindler's list?
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Stalin forced millions of people into gulags to produce labor for the country. I'm not sure what comparison you would make to connect the power of "labor" here, to Fascism.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Watch Expelled The disdain for intellectuals and arts is vastly greater on the left-wing.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    See pictures above. The left-wing punishes the law abiding citizens, and protects the evil and criminal. I'll take obsession with crime and punishment over, your system of anarchy injustice, and evil.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    You mean like Al Gore selling the Elk Hills oil reserve, to Occidental Petroleum, that Al Gore happen to have hundreds of thousand of dollars in stock in? Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Many Obama supporters pushed Obama policy for personal gain.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Last I checked the Democrats were opposed to even requiring an ID to vote.

You've proved one thing, you never completed a course in expository writing.

14: I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

13: One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

12: The Left-Wing is not defined; I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.

11: LOL, How much more ludicrous can you get?

10: The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

9: Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

8: Trump and the Republican Party oppose abortion, not out of any moral compass, but to continue to secure the vote of the Clergy, many of whom lack the ethos of Jesus in all other matters (aiding the poor, capital punishment, healing the sick).

7: Hate and fear mongering, locking up mothers and separating them from their children for crossing the border seeking asylum. Trump's Emergency Orders when he created the border issue, and the only real emergency is the deaths of a hundred or more Americans ODing on Opiates everyday.

6: Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

5. Donald Trump is a lounge lizard, cheated on his wives, bribed women to keep quiet for his sexual peccadilloes, and attacked the character of all the women who accused him of untoward sexual advances.

4. See the budget, no money to speak of for domestic needs, but padding the budget of the Military beyond that of all other nation's. When it suited him he attacked Sen. McCain's service, and has still not fixed the VA (one of many broken promses).

3. This is true, you even admit Trump's hate and fear have been focused on minorities, liberal Democrats and now Jews who don't support him.

2. Another overreach. Abortion is legal, and Trump has abused the power of the office by attacking a Supreme Court Decision and laying blame on the Democrats, liberals and progressives.

That said, the numbers of migrants suffering on the border are beyond question to be victims of trumps callous conservatism.

1. White Nationalism is not patriotism. The United States population is diverse, and needs a leader to support all of our citizens with protections for their lives, liberty and happiness.

what is the purpose of a labor union exactly?

I see you've never taken a course in history, that's sad but it proves why you are what you are.

so you don't have any reason to worry if someone doesn't want to join one. why do you wish to force individuals to join a union. They must pay money to them, perhaps you should learn some history. BTW, it looks like the auto union is in trouble in Detroit. Yeah, tell us the greatness of a union and I'll laugh at you.

Actually I was a manager and had many battles with labor union business agents. The unions I negotiated with (never on wages or benefits) dealt with personnel issues / violations of department policies.

Personnel did not need to join the union, but were represented anyway according to the Memos of Understanding. They were required to make a monthly donation taken from their paychecks to one of several NGO's in the same amount as dues paying members of the unions.

My undergraduate degrees were Poli Sci and History, primarily US History. Upper division history courses were specific, such as the History of Labor in the US; The Diplomatic History of the US, the Economic History of the US, etc.

and had to pay the union fees. people don't want to pay for something they don't agree with and that is the right to work mandate, fk the union dues.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You've proved one thing, you never completed a course in expository writing.

14: I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

13: One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

12: The Left-Wing is not defined; I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.

11: LOL, How much more ludicrous can you get?

10: The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

9: Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

8: Trump and the Republican Party oppose abortion, not out of any moral compass, but to continue to secure the vote of the Clergy, many of whom lack the ethos of Jesus in all other matters (aiding the poor, capital punishment, healing the sick).

7: Hate and fear mongering, locking up mothers and separating them from their children for crossing the border seeking asylum. Trump's Emergency Orders when he created the border issue, and the only real emergency is the deaths of a hundred or more Americans ODing on Opiates everyday.

6: Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

5. Donald Trump is a lounge lizard, cheated on his wives, bribed women to keep quiet for his sexual peccadilloes, and attacked the character of all the women who accused him of untoward sexual advances.

4. See the budget, no money to speak of for domestic needs, but padding the budget of the Military beyond that of all other nation's. When it suited him he attacked Sen. McCain's service, and has still not fixed the VA (one of many broken promses).

3. This is true, you even admit Trump's hate and fear have been focused on minorities, liberal Democrats and now Jews who don't support him.

2. Another overreach. Abortion is legal, and Trump has abused the power of the office by attacking a Supreme Court Decision and laying blame on the Democrats, liberals and progressives.

That said, the numbers of migrants suffering on the border are beyond question to be victims of trumps callous conservatism.

1. White Nationalism is not patriotism. The United States population is diverse, and needs a leader to support all of our citizens with protections for their lives, liberty and happiness.

what is the purpose of a labor union exactly?

I see you've never taken a course in history, that's sad but it proves why you are what you are.

so you don't have any reason to worry if someone doesn't want to join one. why do you wish to force individuals to join a union. They must pay money to them, perhaps you should learn some history. BTW, it looks like the auto union is in trouble in Detroit. Yeah, tell us the greatness of a union and I'll laugh at you.

Actually I was a manager and had many battles with labor union business agents. The unions I negotiated with (never on wages or benefits) dealt with personnel issues / violations of department policies.

Personnel did not need to join the union, but were represented anyway according to the Memos of Understanding. They were required to make a monthly donation taken from their paychecks to one of several NGO's in the same amount as dues paying members of the unions.

My undergraduate degrees were Poli Sci and History, primarily US History. Upper division history courses were specific, such as the History of Labor in the US; The Diplomatic History of the US, the Economic History of the US, etc.

and had to pay the union fees. people don't want to pay for something they don't agree with and that is the right to work mandate, fk the union dues.

Whatever. Scofflaws are mostly conservative; it's the old thinking of conservatives, "I've got mine, fuck the rest of you".

 

[Correll]

Trump is a fascist. Everybody knows this.

Nobody even knows what fascism means.

The 14 points of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    

In short, TRUMPISM

It's unfortunate that I needed to put on ignore several members of the USMB who continued to harass me; they refuse to debate these 14 points of fascism by posting ad hominems and dogmatism's ad nausea.

Their ignorance, denial and/or dishonesty, and lack of consideration for rational and reasonable debate has become too burdensome, for their constant logical fallacies is an obvious effort by them to stifle debate.

Let history decide if trumpism is the new iteration of fascism, and let all freedom loving voters decide in the fall of 2020 that Trump&Co. must be tossed out of power, a power that trump continues to abuse along with Moscow Mitch and other radical Republicans in Congress.

I've addressed your points seriously and honestly, and instead of responding in kind, you evaded and made new accusations.


When I pointed out your behavior, you became verbally abusive.


If you are talking about ME, as someone you placed on ignore, that is you being afraid of serious discussion, not me "harassing" you.

 

[Correll]

Trump is a fascist. Everybody knows this.

Nobody even knows what fascism means.

The 14 points of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    

In short, TRUMPISM

You do realize that every single one of those, I can link directly to the left-wing..... right?

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Every single time Trump does anything, you say "That's UnAmerican". "That's not what America stands for!" and so on. Using a claim to nationalism, to advance politics.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   The murder of half a million babies every year, the protection of criminals, at the expense of victims, rape, murder, and so on.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   While the current Democrat party is not pro-military, they will become pro-military the moment they can use it for political benefit. Every left-wing government in human history has. From the Soviets, to Chavez, to Pol Pot, to Mao, to Castro. Even then, the Left-wing has no problem using military-style storm troopers whenever they wish against US citizens. View attachment 276379 View attachment 276380
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The left-wing is extraordinarily sexist constantly. Look at how they treated Sarah Palin, and Nikki Haley, and Carrie Prejean, and the list goes on and on and on. The left has no problem targetting someone over their gender, if they don't tow the left-wing line. Was it not Hillary herself, that blamed all those white women for 'obeying their husbands' and not voting for her?
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NYT, Washington Post, dozens of all left-wing news outlets all parroting the Democrat party lines. And was it not Obama that targeted Fox News? Was it not the Democrats in the 90s that tried to pass the "Hush Rush" law? They have done everything they can to shut down the only small sources of media that is not left-wing bias in nature.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear? I would be hard pressed to see how any citizen of the US, now lives in fear.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   I do not see that religious leaders are dictating US policy, or even have significant influence, and I certainly do not see that Trump is even remotely religious.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   Corporate power was never protected in any Fascist state. It certainly wasn't in Germany. A corporation was ordered, and controlled, to build and produce, exactly what the government wanted. Have you never watched Schindler's list?
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Stalin forced millions of people into gulags to produce labor for the country. I'm not sure what comparison you would make to connect the power of "labor" here, to Fascism.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Watch Expelled The disdain for intellectuals and arts is vastly greater on the left-wing.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    See pictures above. The left-wing punishes the law abiding citizens, and protects the evil and criminal. I'll take obsession with crime and punishment over, your system of anarchy injustice, and evil.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    You mean like Al Gore selling the Elk Hills oil reserve, to Occidental Petroleum, that Al Gore happen to have hundreds of thousand of dollars in stock in? Secret Empires by Peter Schweizer. Many Obama supporters pushed Obama policy for personal gain.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Last I checked the Democrats were opposed to even requiring an ID to vote.

You've proved one thing, you never completed a course in expository writing.

14: I've never opposed an ID being required to vote.

13: One supposed Data point, without evidence, is absurd.

12: The Left-Wing is not defined; I spent 32 years carrying a badge which brought the Maniforts', White Collar Criminals and anyone who violated the laws of the St. of CA. to Justice.

11: LOL, How much more ludicrous can you get?

10: The R's oppose labor unions, Right to Work is a euphemism for busting collective bargaining and not
protecting each individual employee.

9: Corporate Power ("corporations are people too") and the recent reform, aka tax fraud, implemented by Ryan and signed by Trump harm the working men and middle class while rewarding the 1% and corporate profits.

8: Trump and the Republican Party oppose abortion, not out of any moral compass, but to continue to secure the vote of the Clergy, many of whom lack the ethos of Jesus in all other matters (aiding the poor, capital punishment, healing the sick).

7: Hate and fear mongering, locking up mothers and separating them from their children for crossing the border seeking asylum. Trump's Emergency Orders when he created the border issue, and the only real emergency is the deaths of a hundred or more Americans ODing on Opiates everyday.

6: Yep, you can get more ludicrous. "Outfoxed" was produced well before Obama took elected office, the Murdoch propaganda Machine along with Limbaugh's Dittoheads use the BIG LIES (Fake News, the Red Scare) to influence people like you, the biddable fools.

5. Donald Trump is a lounge lizard, cheated on his wives, bribed women to keep quiet for his sexual peccadilloes, and attacked the character of all the women who accused him of untoward sexual advances.

4. See the budget, no money to speak of for domestic needs, but padding the budget of the Military beyond that of all other nation's. When it suited him he attacked Sen. McCain's service, and has still not fixed the VA (one of many broken promses).

3. This is true, you even admit Trump's hate and fear have been focused on minorities, liberal Democrats and now Jews who don't support him.

2. Another overreach. Abortion is legal, and Trump has abused the power of the office by attacking a Supreme Court Decision and laying blame on the Democrats, liberals and progressives.

That said, the numbers of migrants suffering on the border are beyond question to be victims of trumps callous conservatism.

1. White Nationalism is not patriotism. The United States population is diverse, and needs a leader to support all of our citizens with protections for their lives, liberty and happiness.

His attack on McCain was a personal attack made in the heat of the moment, after McCain insulted Trump's supporters, AND Trump immediately walked it back.


TO cite that as evidence of ANYTHING other than Trump doesn't let anyone bad mouth him without response,


is utterly uncalled for and unfair and unreasonable.


And indeed, it undermines everything you say.

 

[Toro]

How many more examples of Trumps authoritarianism do you need to see before some of you figure it out?

Trump Allies Target Journalists Over Coverage Deemed Hostile to White House
Kenneth P. Vogel and Jeremy W. Peters

Arthur Schwartz, right, a conservative consultant who is a friend and informal adviser to the president’s eldest son, and Richard Grenell, the American ambassador to Germany.

A loose network of conservative operatives allied with the White House is pursuing what they say will be an aggressive operation to discredit news organizations deemed hostile to President Trump by publicizing damaging information about journalists.

It is the latest step in a long-running effort by Mr. Trump and his allies to undercut the influence of legitimate news reporting. Four people familiar with the operation described how it works, asserting that it has compiled dossiers of potentially embarrassing social media posts and other public statements by hundreds of people who work at some of the country’s most prominent news organizations.

The group has already released information about journalists at CNN, The Washington Post and The New York Times — three outlets that have aggressively investigated Mr. Trump — in response to reporting or commentary that the White House’s allies consider unfair to Mr. Trump and his team or harmful to his re-election prospects.

Trump Allies Target Journalists Over Coverage Deemed Hostile to White House

Same thing happened under Obama.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...e8-9e38-24e693b38637_story.html?noredirect=on

 

[bripat9643]

Trump is a fascist. Everybody knows this.

Nobody even knows what fascism means.

The 14 points of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
   Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    

In short, TRUMPISM

It's unfortunate that I needed to put on ignore several members of the USMB who continued to harass me; they refuse to debate these 14 points of fascism by posting ad hominems and dogmatism's ad nausea.

Their ignorance, denial and/or dishonesty, and lack of consideration for rational and reasonable debate has become too burdensome, for their constant logical fallacies is an obvious effort by them to stifle debate.

Let history decide if trumpism is the new iteration of fascism, and let all freedom loving voters decide in the fall of 2020 that Trump&Co. must be tossed out of power, a power that trump continues to abuse along with Moscow Mitch and other radical Republicans in Congress.

There's nothing to debate. I've already demonstrated that your 14 points are a con. They are fake.

 

[Ame®icano]

When Congress bestowed much power onto the executive branch, no one ever dreamed there would by a paranoid, narcissistic, incompetent, inexperienced President like Trump. When the Democrats nominated the worst possible candidate, many voters were confused and couldn't decide between two substandard candidates. As a consequence, millions of voters stayed home and millions more threw their vote away on a candidate who had no chance of winning. They voted their conscience and we got Trump.

As a result, Trump was elected by disillusioned blue collar workers and their spouses, people who lacked an education, anarchists attracted to Trump's "drain the swamp" mantra, white supremacists, and various other malcontents who blamed the government for all their problems.

When Trump said this:

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

–Real estate mogul Donald Trump, presidential announcement speech, June 16, 2015

He attracted all the wrong people. Because he is a bigot, despite all his costly mistakes, despite making a fool of himself nearly every day, despite over 10,000 lies told to the American people, his loyal followers stay with him. Even though he has cost them dearly if one has a retirement investment account or if one is a farmer or one is a consumer paying higher prices because of his tariffs, over 80% of Republicans stay loyal to him.

Incredible.

Interesting... all those highly educated inner city blacks and latinos voted for Democrats.

 

[Ame®icano]

And why did Strom Thurmond switch parties?

Can you name five more racists Democrats who did the same?

Yes, Thurmond switch the parties, but the others did not. All the hard core racists remained Democrats.

 

[Ame®icano]

This is a regime that doesn't care about free speech or the 1st Amendment.

Can you list all things this regime did to suppress the free speech and 1st Amendment?

 

[Ame®icano]

I know what fascism is and Trump is a fascist.

And I know what stupid is.