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The ruling by the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals sent back to a lower court a widely watched case weighing protections for transgender students under the 1972 Title IX Act, which prohibits sex-based discrimination by schools receiving federal funding. Student Gavin Grimm was barred from using the boys’ bathroom at his local high school in Gloucester County, Virginia. Grimm was born a female but identifies as a male. After drawing community complaints for allowing Grimm to use the boys’ bathroom for a time, the school district approved a policy in December 2014 requiring students to use single-stall unisex restrooms or restrooms associated with their physical sex.
The appellate court reversed a district court's dismissal of the student's Title IX claim and said he could proceed with his lawsuit, which contends that the policy was discriminatory. "Today’s decision gives me hope that my fight will help other kids avoid discriminatory treatment at school,” Grimm said in a statement, calling the ruling a relief and vindication. The superintendent of Gloucester County Public Schools, Walter Clemons, declined to comment. U.S. President Barack Obama's administration filed a brief in support of Grimm. In its ruling, the appellate court noted that federal education officials have interpreted Title IX to extend to transgender students and said the lower court did not appropriately defer to the regulations.
Student Gavin Grimm, who was barred from using the boys' bathroom at his local high school in Gloucester County, Virginia, U.S. is seen in an undated photo. Grimm was born a female but identifies as a male.
The decision, marking the first time a federal appeals court has found such protections for transgender students under Title IX, could have wide impact. "The Fourth Circuit decision is truly unprecedented," said Matt Sharp of the non-profit Alliance Defending Freedom, which advocates for conservative positions on religious liberty. "Schools are going to be told that you have to allow biological males to share bathrooms and locker rooms and other private facilities with females," he said in a phone interview.
The court's jurisdiction includes North Carolina, which recently became the first state in the nation to restrict bathroom access to an individual's sex at birth. The Republican governor of North Carolina, Pat McCrory, supported the school district in the Virginia case. He said he would review the ruling. “This is a major, major change in social norms,” he said.
U.S. court rules for Virginia student on transgender bathroom access
I don't think that transgender is an illness or a propaganda they didn't choose to want to be a girl or boy there personality is what decides if they are a female or male just because you have a xx or xy chromosome doesn't decide your gender.`
I don't think that transgender is an illness or a propaganda they didn't choose to want to be a girl or boy there personality is what decides if they are a female or male just because you have a xx or xy chromosome doesn't decide your gender.`
As a matter of hard, scientific fact, yes, it does.
One cannot expect ‘clean debate’ when his thread’s premise fails as a straw man fallacy.It’s clear that everyone has his rights, I don’t want to argue. But transgender propaganda makes me sick. It’s definitely someone’s political agenda. I don’t want to know anything about Jenner and other transgender celebrities but I see this news here and there. The question is: why do they want everyone to know about transgendering? To attract more transgender-wannabes? And why there’re no regretful transgenders showed? I heard that sex change regret is real.
Surely two guys exchanging AIDS in a public toilet makes you a little more sick?It’s clear that everyone has his rights, I don’t want to argue. But transgender propaganda makes me sick. It’s definitely someone’s political agenda. I don’t want to know anything about Jenner and other transgender celebrities but I see this news here and there. The question is: why do they want everyone to know about transgendering? To attract more transgender-wannabes? And why there’re no regretful transgenders showed? I heard that sex change regret is real.
Transgendered people are treated, on a daily basis, with nothing less than towering fury. No one deserves that much anger at them everyday from strangers.One cannot expect ‘clean debate’ when his thread’s premise fails as a straw man fallacy.It’s clear that everyone has his rights, I don’t want to argue. But transgender propaganda makes me sick. It’s definitely someone’s political agenda. I don’t want to know anything about Jenner and other transgender celebrities but I see this news here and there. The question is: why do they want everyone to know about transgendering? To attract more transgender-wannabes? And why there’re no regretful transgenders showed? I heard that sex change regret is real.
Moreover, this is an issue only as a consequence of the unwarranted bigotry and hate directed at transgender Americans.
Transgender Americans wish nothing more than to live their lives quietly and privately, to not be judged solely on how they wish to express themselves, and to be free from hateful laws and measures designed to disadvantage them for no other reason than who they are.
So if one is ‘tired’ of ‘hearing about’ transgender Americans, simply stop trying to discriminate against them.
why do they want everyone to know about transgendering? To attract more transgender-wannabes?
And why there’re no regretful transgenders showed? I heard that sex change regret is real.
So if one is ‘tired’ of ‘hearing about’ transgender Americans, simply stop trying to discriminate against them.
All those words and no mention of female to male transgenders.Truly, if there's any one thing I find irksome about emergence of transgender issues and needing to discuss them, it's the difficulty I have in trying to choose and unambiguously use the correct personal pronouns when talking/writing about transgender people. It's a friggin' PITA AFAIC, which is why I sometimes use the portmanteaus "shim," "shis," and variations on them, in spite of their linguistic irregularity; most folks "get" what I mean by those terms. I've tried "s-/he," but that is too subtle, given its similarly to "s/he," for some readers, and it's downright awkward verbally; thus I eschew that solution approach to the "pronoun problem."
why do they want everyone to know about transgendering? To attract more transgender-wannabes?
I don't see anything suggesting transgender people. as trans individuals, want everyone to know they are transgender. On the contrary, I think transgender people would sooner have most folks, "everyone" so to speak, be completely unaware they, as specific individuals, exist as such. That is, I think, say,
There are various ways Bill-Betty may present in public as either male or female. For example, a person, like Bill in the preceding scenarios, who is midway through the process of becoming a woman and who has breasts but also has a penis may exhibit a variety of behaviors such as:
- Bill, who is becoming Betty, would just as soon "everyone" perceive that Bill is a male, always has been a male, and always will be a male, assuming Bill moves about in public as a male, or
- Bill, who is becoming Betty, would just as soon "everyone" perceive that Bill is instead Betty, a female, who always has been a female, and always will be a female, assuming Bill moves about in public as a female, namely, as Betty.
Either behavior helps minimize as much as possible aloof observers and bystanders' awareness that they are in the presence of a mid-process transgender person.
- Dressing as a man going about the clothed aspects of daily life having "shis" breasts taped down so they appear more as "gym toned" pecs rather than as breasts.
- Dressing as a woman, wearing a bra and going about the clothed aspects of daily life as would any woman.
On the other hand, if that mid-process man wearing a bra is legally obliged to use the men's room, "shim" has little ability not to, by "shis" behavior, communicate that "shim" is a transgender person to anyone who observes "shim" and "shim's" boobs entering, within, and exiting the men's room. If instead, "shim" uses the ladies room and "does 'shis' business" in a stall, few if any will notice that "shim" is indeed to some degree transgender. The same basic concepts apply conversely to mid-process females on the way to becoming males.
Locker rooms, or most precisely the showering areas in them, are a little bit of a different matter. Certainly many upscale ones don't require one -- male or female -- to ever in the common areas of the locker room be naked, or even near naked. But not all locker rooms are that way, and without question, most transgender people aren't in Caitlyn Jenner's position of being able to afford "posh" fitness club memberships and afford their treatment regimen, most especially because it's (1) pricey and (2) not often covered by medical insurance.
That insurance doesn't cover it is odd seeing as many insurance plans recognize gender dysphoria as a legitimate mental ailment, yet those very same plans often (if not always) won't cover surgical treatment modalities for the very same condition. Perhaps they don't because, as you noted, there are instances of gender reassignment remorse (buyer's remorse) and they feel that's justifiable enough cause not to cover the procedure? Whatever the reason, insurers are entitled to make their own business decision re: the products/services they offer and consumers are free to pressure for changes in those business decisions.
Certainly in the course of trying to garner support for their desired changes, trans folks who want to work within the guidelines of effecting change in America have little choice but to make their situation known to a wider public in the hopes of mustering their support. In the course of doing so, trans folks have no way not to make it generally known that they exist and want others' support in effecting change.
And why there’re no regretful transgenders showed? I heard that sex change regret is real.
- Shown where?
- Just how many trans folks, assuming you mean actual individuals, do you expect to "show" anywhere? There are only ~700K of them in the U.S., a nation of ~318M people, and all 700K aren't likely ever in the same place at the same time. I live in D.C., not the D.C. suburbs, and D.C. is among the "gayest" cities in the country, having ~20% of the population being LBGT. I've never knowingly encountered a transgender person in D.C., or anywhere else for that matter. I have come to learn later -- when I found out I was somewhere else and they likely were too -- that two people whom I met were in fact transsexuals. "Miraculously" I survived the experience with no ill effects. Wonder of wonders....
Yes, of course, sexual reassignment remorse (SRR) occurs. It'd be absurd to expect it does not. That said, the details of the studies that have evaluated it indicate that SRR is not common, running at about 4% max. (IJ TRANSGENDER - Gender Role Reversal among Postoperative Transsexuals and Transgenderism and Intersexuality in Childhood and Adolescence)
Even so, yes, there is SRR. SRR has (in the same studies) been shown to have risk factors that increase or decrease, depending on their confluence and presence, for the negative outcomes often mentioned in studies. Those risk factors are lack of support from the patient’s family, poor social support, late-life transitions, severe psychopathology, unfavorable physical appearance, and poor surgical result. The Lawrence study concluded that results of surgery may be more important for overall outcomes from the surgery than the preoperative factors noted in the prior sentence. As techniques have been perfected, the risk of long-term complications has fallen to less than 1 percent in male-to-female patients
All those words and no mention of female to male transgenders.Truly, if there's any one thing I find irksome about emergence of transgender issues and needing to discuss them, it's the difficulty I have in trying to choose and unambiguously use the correct personal pronouns when talking/writing about transgender people. It's a friggin' PITA AFAIC, which is why I sometimes use the portmanteaus "shim," "shis," and variations on them, in spite of their linguistic irregularity; most folks "get" what I mean by those terms. I've tried "s-/he," but that is too subtle, given its similarly to "s/he," for some readers, and it's downright awkward verbally; thus I eschew that solution approach to the "pronoun problem."
why do they want everyone to know about transgendering? To attract more transgender-wannabes?
I don't see anything suggesting transgender people. as trans individuals, want everyone to know they are transgender. On the contrary, I think transgender people would sooner have most folks, "everyone" so to speak, be completely unaware they, as specific individuals, exist as such. That is, I think, say,
There are various ways Bill-Betty may present in public as either male or female. For example, a person, like Bill in the preceding scenarios, who is midway through the process of becoming a woman and who has breasts but also has a penis may exhibit a variety of behaviors such as:
- Bill, who is becoming Betty, would just as soon "everyone" perceive that Bill is a male, always has been a male, and always will be a male, assuming Bill moves about in public as a male, or
- Bill, who is becoming Betty, would just as soon "everyone" perceive that Bill is instead Betty, a female, who always has been a female, and always will be a female, assuming Bill moves about in public as a female, namely, as Betty.
Either behavior helps minimize as much as possible aloof observers and bystanders' awareness that they are in the presence of a mid-process transgender person.
- Dressing as a man going about the clothed aspects of daily life having "shis" breasts taped down so they appear more as "gym toned" pecs rather than as breasts.
- Dressing as a woman, wearing a bra and going about the clothed aspects of daily life as would any woman.
On the other hand, if that mid-process man wearing a bra is legally obliged to use the men's room, "shim" has little ability not to, by "shis" behavior, communicate that "shim" is a transgender person to anyone who observes "shim" and "shim's" boobs entering, within, and exiting the men's room. If instead, "shim" uses the ladies room and "does 'shis' business" in a stall, few if any will notice that "shim" is indeed to some degree transgender. The same basic concepts apply conversely to mid-process females on the way to becoming males.
Locker rooms, or most precisely the showering areas in them, are a little bit of a different matter. Certainly many upscale ones don't require one -- male or female -- to ever in the common areas of the locker room be naked, or even near naked. But not all locker rooms are that way, and without question, most transgender people aren't in Caitlyn Jenner's position of being able to afford "posh" fitness club memberships and afford their treatment regimen, most especially because it's (1) pricey and (2) not often covered by medical insurance.
That insurance doesn't cover it is odd seeing as many insurance plans recognize gender dysphoria as a legitimate mental ailment, yet those very same plans often (if not always) won't cover surgical treatment modalities for the very same condition. Perhaps they don't because, as you noted, there are instances of gender reassignment remorse (buyer's remorse) and they feel that's justifiable enough cause not to cover the procedure? Whatever the reason, insurers are entitled to make their own business decision re: the products/services they offer and consumers are free to pressure for changes in those business decisions.
Certainly in the course of trying to garner support for their desired changes, trans folks who want to work within the guidelines of effecting change in America have little choice but to make their situation known to a wider public in the hopes of mustering their support. In the course of doing so, trans folks have no way not to make it generally known that they exist and want others' support in effecting change.
And why there’re no regretful transgenders showed? I heard that sex change regret is real.
- Shown where?
- Just how many trans folks, assuming you mean actual individuals, do you expect to "show" anywhere? There are only ~700K of them in the U.S., a nation of ~318M people, and all 700K aren't likely ever in the same place at the same time. I live in D.C., not the D.C. suburbs, and D.C. is among the "gayest" cities in the country, having ~20% of the population being LBGT. I've never knowingly encountered a transgender person in D.C., or anywhere else for that matter. I have come to learn later -- when I found out I was somewhere else and they likely were too -- that two people whom I met were in fact transsexuals. "Miraculously" I survived the experience with no ill effects. Wonder of wonders....
Yes, of course, sexual reassignment remorse (SRR) occurs. It'd be absurd to expect it does not. That said, the details of the studies that have evaluated it indicate that SRR is not common, running at about 4% max. (IJ TRANSGENDER - Gender Role Reversal among Postoperative Transsexuals and Transgenderism and Intersexuality in Childhood and Adolescence)
Even so, yes, there is SRR. SRR has (in the same studies) been shown to have risk factors that increase or decrease, depending on their confluence and presence, for the negative outcomes often mentioned in studies. Those risk factors are lack of support from the patient’s family, poor social support, late-life transitions, severe psychopathology, unfavorable physical appearance, and poor surgical result. The Lawrence study concluded that results of surgery may be more important for overall outcomes from the surgery than the preoperative factors noted in the prior sentence. As techniques have been perfected, the risk of long-term complications has fallen to less than 1 percent in male-to-female patients
it's not an emergence. It's just the latest instruction that progressive have chalked up on your reaction board. As usual you are serving your progressive masters perfectly and the PTB are winning again.
One cannot expect ‘clean debate’ when his thread’s premise fails as a straw man fallacy.It’s clear that everyone has his rights, I don’t want to argue. But transgender propaganda makes me sick. It’s definitely someone’s political agenda. I don’t want to know anything about Jenner and other transgender celebrities but I see this news here and there. The question is: why do they want everyone to know about transgendering? To attract more transgender-wannabes? And why there’re no regretful transgenders showed? I heard that sex change regret is real.
Moreover, this is an issue only as a consequence of the unwarranted bigotry and hate directed at transgender Americans.
Transgender Americans wish nothing more than to live their lives quietly and privately, to not be judged solely on how they wish to express themselves, and to be free from hateful laws and measures designed to disadvantage them for no other reason than who they are.
So if one is ‘tired’ of ‘hearing about’ transgender Americans, simply stop trying to discriminate against them.
That was gay marriage, with the cake. Nothing to do with trannies.One cannot expect ‘clean debate’ when his thread’s premise fails as a straw man fallacy.It’s clear that everyone has his rights, I don’t want to argue. But transgender propaganda makes me sick. It’s definitely someone’s political agenda. I don’t want to know anything about Jenner and other transgender celebrities but I see this news here and there. The question is: why do they want everyone to know about transgendering? To attract more transgender-wannabes? And why there’re no regretful transgenders showed? I heard that sex change regret is real.
Moreover, this is an issue only as a consequence of the unwarranted bigotry and hate directed at transgender Americans.
Transgender Americans wish nothing more than to live their lives quietly and privately, to not be judged solely on how they wish to express themselves, and to be free from hateful laws and measures designed to disadvantage them for no other reason than who they are.
So if one is ‘tired’ of ‘hearing about’ transgender Americans, simply stop trying to discriminate against them.
What a load of shit , an in fact the entire premise of this thread, most people wouldn't care one way or the other if "transgender Americans" simply live their life without harassing the shit out of the rest of us to celebrate their mental illness with them.
A person who "just wants to live their life" goes into the bathroom that society deems is correct for them whilst out in public. Of course for that matter a person who "just wants to live their life" doesn't get into a fight with a baker over a cake said baker doesn't want to bake either.
That was gay marriage, with the cake. Nothing to do with trannies.One cannot expect ‘clean debate’ when his thread’s premise fails as a straw man fallacy.It’s clear that everyone has his rights, I don’t want to argue. But transgender propaganda makes me sick. It’s definitely someone’s political agenda. I don’t want to know anything about Jenner and other transgender celebrities but I see this news here and there. The question is: why do they want everyone to know about transgendering? To attract more transgender-wannabes? And why there’re no regretful transgenders showed? I heard that sex change regret is real.
Moreover, this is an issue only as a consequence of the unwarranted bigotry and hate directed at transgender Americans.
Transgender Americans wish nothing more than to live their lives quietly and privately, to not be judged solely on how they wish to express themselves, and to be free from hateful laws and measures designed to disadvantage them for no other reason than who they are.
So if one is ‘tired’ of ‘hearing about’ transgender Americans, simply stop trying to discriminate against them.
What a load of shit , an in fact the entire premise of this thread, most people wouldn't care one way or the other if "transgender Americans" simply live their life without harassing the shit out of the rest of us to celebrate their mental illness with them.
A person who "just wants to live their life" goes into the bathroom that society deems is correct for them whilst out in public. Of course for that matter a person who "just wants to live their life" doesn't get into a fight with a baker over a cake said baker doesn't want to bake either.
