CDZ Q. Why are children of diplomats excluded from birthright citizenship?

[jwoodie]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

 

[Agit8r]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

Diplomats are representatives of a foreign government, and reside on foreign sovereign soil (embassies). Their children are without controversy full citizens of the country which employs their parents.

Aliens (legal or otherwise) reside on U.S. soil. Their children do not have any obvious ties to a foreign power, and may not even be considered citizens in their mothers' homeland. The matter of paternity (especially those whose mothers have been the victim of trafficking) may be even more complicated. The simplest and most just action is to document the child (who bears no fault for his or her circumstances of birth), and assimilate him or her as best possible into American society.

 

[ogibillm]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

go try to arrest a diplomat and see how it works out for you

 

[Ravi]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

The children, and the parents themselves, of illegal aliens are under the jurisdiction of the USA, which means they can be arrested and prosecuted and convicted of crimes by the US.

Diplomats are not under the jurisdiction of the USA and cannot be arrested, prosecuted, or convicted of crimes by the USA.

 

[jwoodie]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

Diplomats are representatives of a foreign government, and reside on foreign sovereign soil (embassies). Their children are without controversy full citizens of the country which employs their parents.

Aliens (legal or otherwise) reside on U.S. soil. Their children do not have any obvious ties to a foreign power, and may not even be considered citizens in their mothers' homeland. The matter of paternity (especially those whose mothers have been the victim of trafficking) may be even more complicated. The simplest and most just action is to document the child (who bears no fault for his or her circumstances of birth), and assimilate him or her as best possible into American society.

Try again: Diplomats do not reside in embassies and their children attend U.S. schools. Illegal aliens are also citizens of foreign countries, AS ARE THEIR CHILDREN.

 

[jwoodie]

go try to arrest a diplomat and see how it works out for you

Go try to arrest an illegal alien and see how it works out for you.

 

[ogibillm]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

Diplomats are representatives of a foreign government, and reside on foreign sovereign soil (embassies). Their children are without controversy full citizens of the country which employs their parents.

Aliens (legal or otherwise) reside on U.S. soil. Their children do not have any obvious ties to a foreign power, and may not even be considered citizens in their mothers' homeland. The matter of paternity (especially those whose mothers have been the victim of trafficking) may be even more complicated. The simplest and most just action is to document the child (who bears no fault for his or her circumstances of birth), and assimilate him or her as best possible into American society.

Try again: Diplomats do not reside in embassies and their children attend U.S. schools. Illegal aliens are also citizens of foreign countries, AS ARE THEIR CHILDREN.

you think it has to do with the status granted to the individual and you're right. the government recognizes diplomats as representatives of their home government. as such they are not subject to our jurisdiction but remain under the jurisdiction of their home government.

other resident aliens, legal or otherwise, are not representatives of their government. they fall under the jurisdiction of the united states.

again, try to arrest a diplomat and see how that works out for you.

 

[ogibillm]

go try to arrest a diplomat and see how it works out for you

Go try to arrest an illegal alien and see how it works out for you.

thousands of illegal aliens are arrested daily. even the term 'illegal alien' acknowledges that they fall under the jurisdiction of the united states.

 

[Agit8r]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

Diplomats are representatives of a foreign government, and reside on foreign sovereign soil (embassies). Their children are without controversy full citizens of the country which employs their parents.

Aliens (legal or otherwise) reside on U.S. soil. Their children do not have any obvious ties to a foreign power, and may not even be considered citizens in their mothers' homeland. The matter of paternity (especially those whose mothers have been the victim of trafficking) may be even more complicated. The simplest and most just action is to document the child (who bears no fault for his or her circumstances of birth), and assimilate him or her as best possible into American society.

Try again: Diplomats do not reside in embassies and their children attend U.S. schools. Illegal aliens are also citizens of foreign countries, AS ARE THEIR CHILDREN.

In many cases, there is no clear country where they would otherwise be citizens. Their sole means of documentation is what they receive here. They are natural born Americans, and their parents' actions have no bearing on the fact.

 

[jwoodie]

other resident aliens, legal or otherwise, are not representatives of their government. they fall under the jurisdiction of the united states.

Ever heard of Matrícula Consular Mexicana?

"again, try to arrest a diplomat and see how that works out for you."

Yes, I understand Diplomatic Immunity. Most diplomatic staff are subject to arrest and prosecution for non-official acts.

P.S. Trying to obfuscate this issue by lumping permanent resident (legal) aliens with nonresident illegal aliens is neither honest nor clever.

 

[Ringel05]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

Diplomats are representatives of a foreign government, and reside on foreign sovereign soil (embassies). Their children are without controversy full citizens of the country which employs their parents.

Aliens (legal or otherwise) reside on U.S. soil. Their children do not have any obvious ties to a foreign power, and may not even be considered citizens in their mothers' homeland. The matter of paternity (especially those whose mothers have been the victim of trafficking) may be even more complicated. The simplest and most just action is to document the child (who bears no fault for his or her circumstances of birth), and assimilate him or her as best possible into American society.

Try again: Diplomats do not reside in embassies and their children attend U.S. schools. Illegal aliens are also citizens of foreign countries, AS ARE THEIR CHILDREN.

International treaties.

 

[ogibillm]

other resident aliens, legal or otherwise, are not representatives of their government. they fall under the jurisdiction of the united states.

Ever heard of Matrícula Consular Mexicana?

"again, try to arrest a diplomat and see how that works out for you."

Yes, I understand Diplomatic Immunity. Most diplomatic staff are subject to arrest and prosecution for non-official acts.

P.S. Trying to obfuscate this issue by lumping permanent resident (legal) aliens with nonresident illegal aliens is neither honest nor clever.

for the purposes of the 14th amendment there is no difference.

and if you understood diplomatic immunity you would understand that the diplomats are not, generally, considered to be under our jurisdiction.
this may help
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/150546.pdf

 

[Care4all]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

Diplomats are representatives of a foreign government, and reside on foreign sovereign soil (embassies). Their children are without controversy full citizens of the country which employs their parents.

Aliens (legal or otherwise) reside on U.S. soil. Their children do not have any obvious ties to a foreign power, and may not even be considered citizens in their mothers' homeland. The matter of paternity (especially those whose mothers have been the victim of trafficking) may be even more complicated. The simplest and most just action is to document the child (who bears no fault for his or her circumstances of birth), and assimilate him or her as best possible into American society.

Try again: Diplomats do not reside in embassies and their children attend U.S. schools. Illegal aliens are also citizens of foreign countries, AS ARE THEIR CHILDREN.

International treaties.

Yep and also, WE, as in American Diplomats in foreign Nations... WANT the Protection of being ONLY under the Jurisdiction of USA laws and NOT the Laws of the countries they visit or temporarily live for their government assignments.

 

[Care4all]

The other group of people that are NOT under USA jurisdiction are the Military of an invading foreign Nation if at war, as example...the Military troops of an invading foreign nation's children born on our soil are not citizens...they are here on our soil representing their country, and through the direction of their government, military, and War.

 

[peach174]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

Diplomats are representatives of a foreign government, and reside on foreign sovereign soil (embassies). Their children are without controversy full citizens of the country which employs their parents.

Aliens (legal or otherwise) reside on U.S. soil. Their children do not have any obvious ties to a foreign power, and may not even be considered citizens in their mothers' homeland. The matter of paternity (especially those whose mothers have been the victim of trafficking) may be even more complicated. The simplest and most just action is to document the child (who bears no fault for his or her circumstances of birth), and assimilate him or her as best possible into American society.

LaRaza says other wise.
They are legal Mexicans and they advocate for wanting to get back all the lands that Mexico sold the USA.
Their allegiance is to Mexico not America.
And no they will not have that advertised at their webstie.

 

[Syriusly]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. Because they are not subject to the legal jurisdiction of the United States. If the Ambassador of Canada robs Fort Knox, he cannot be prosecuted for robbery by the United States, unless Canada allows us to prosecute him.

Stop creating your own asinine reasons for not understanding what the 14th Amendment means.

 

[Syriusly]

go try to arrest a diplomat and see how it works out for you

Go try to arrest an illegal alien and see how it works out for you.

The United States arrests illegal aliens regularly.

We even execute them.

They are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Those who have Diplomatic immunity- accredited diplomats- and their children are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and cannot be arrested- or imprisoned- or executed.

 

[Syriusly]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

Diplomats are representatives of a foreign government, and reside on foreign sovereign soil (embassies). Their children are without controversy full citizens of the country which employs their parents.

Aliens (legal or otherwise) reside on U.S. soil. Their children do not have any obvious ties to a foreign power, and may not even be considered citizens in their mothers' homeland. The matter of paternity (especially those whose mothers have been the victim of trafficking) may be even more complicated. The simplest and most just action is to document the child (who bears no fault for his or her circumstances of birth), and assimilate him or her as best possible into American society.

LaRaza says other wise.
They are legal Mexicans and they advocate for wanting to get back all the lands that Mexico sold the USA.
Their allegiance is to Mexico not America.
And no they will not have that advertised at their webstie.

What does La Raza have to do with this topic?

 

[Agit8r]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

Diplomats are representatives of a foreign government, and reside on foreign sovereign soil (embassies). Their children are without controversy full citizens of the country which employs their parents.

Aliens (legal or otherwise) reside on U.S. soil. Their children do not have any obvious ties to a foreign power, and may not even be considered citizens in their mothers' homeland. The matter of paternity (especially those whose mothers have been the victim of trafficking) may be even more complicated. The simplest and most just action is to document the child (who bears no fault for his or her circumstances of birth), and assimilate him or her as best possible into American society.

LaRaza says other wise.
They are legal Mexicans and they advocate for wanting to get back all the lands that Mexico sold the USA.
Their allegiance is to Mexico not America.
And no they will not have that advertised at their webstie.

By that rationale, all the people who wave confederate flags are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction.

 

[peach174]

A. Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. (14th Amendment)

Q. What does this mean?

A. They are citizens of another country who have not been granted permanent resident status.

Q. Why aren't children of illegal aliens excluded from birthright citizenship for the same reason?

A. You tell me. (And don't cite asinine court decisions.)

Diplomats are representatives of a foreign government, and reside on foreign sovereign soil (embassies). Their children are without controversy full citizens of the country which employs their parents.

Aliens (legal or otherwise) reside on U.S. soil. Their children do not have any obvious ties to a foreign power, and may not even be considered citizens in their mothers' homeland. The matter of paternity (especially those whose mothers have been the victim of trafficking) may be even more complicated. The simplest and most just action is to document the child (who bears no fault for his or her circumstances of birth), and assimilate him or her as best possible into American society.

LaRaza says other wise.
They are legal Mexicans and they advocate for wanting to get back all the lands that Mexico sold the USA.
Their allegiance is to Mexico not America.
And no they will not have that advertised at their webstie.

By that rationale, all the people who wave confederate flags are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction.

That does not even make any sense.