Torture or Drones?

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Obama's drone strikes have killed over 2400 people and within that number is 200 innocent children. War is hell. Where is Diane Feinstein on that? And where is the media? If the time ever comes to where we take a bunch of the enemy and their families and place them in a skyscraper and fly a jet into it then maybe I would think we were going a bit far.
Water boarding? Sleep D?????????, F U Di Fi.
 


I have a problem with Diane Feinstein

she is opening all the CIA shit

no Diane...not good enough ...american soldiers will be killed because of you.....

why is she doing that?

World Order may be?

American people wake up!

These are actions undertaken by politicians who have nothing to lose. In a tantrum they endanger the lives of our men and women overseas. Democrats claiming to want peace will cause chaos instead. It makes me wonder why people continue to vote for them, or why some on this board continue to support them.
 
1. Kill them or torture them...who cares. They prey on the innocent and call it war. These aren't men, these aren't warriors. They are killer muslims slaughtering the innocent and pretending it is noble.

2. They started this war on 9/11. The blood of innocent casualties is on the killer muslims' hands and no one elses. Not OBama, not Bush, not Feinstein, not Powell. They are at fault. BOth sides need to quit pointing their stinky little fingers at each other...it only washes that blood off the hands of the guilty.
 
Obama's drone strikes have killed over 2400 people and within that number is 200 innocent children. War is hell. Where is Diane Feinstein on that? And where is the media? If the time ever comes to where we take a bunch of the enemy and their families and place them in a skyscraper and fly a jet into it then maybe I would think we were going a bit far.
Water boarding? Sleep D?????????, F U Di Fi.
Incorrect.

This fails as a false comparison fallacy, as the illegal torture occurred in Guantanamo, subject to US jurisdiction, the detainees in American custody were entitled to due process rights (Boumediene v. Bush (2008)). The territory undergoing drone strikes is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, where no due process rights exist, as Justice Scalia maintained in Boumediene:

“There is simply no support for the Court’s assertion that constitutional rights extend to aliens held outside U.S. sovereign territory, see Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U. S., at 271, and Eisentrager could not be clearer that the privilege of habeas corpus does not extend to aliens abroad.”

BOUMEDIENE v. BUSH

Consequently your attempt at partisan deflection fails, as the Bush administration was indeed culpable with regard to illegal torture, and the Obama administration's use of drone strikes are lawful attacks on enemy combatants where the “privilege of habeas corpus does not extend to aliens abroad.”
 
Obama's drone strikes have killed over 2400 people and within that number is 200 innocent children. War is hell. Where is Diane Feinstein on that? And where is the media? If the time ever comes to where we take a bunch of the enemy and their families and place them in a skyscraper and fly a jet into it then maybe I would think we were going a bit far.
Water boarding? Sleep D?????????, F U Di Fi.

How would you feel about comparing that to 400,000 (some estimate over 1,000,000) civilian deaths in Iraq under republicans? Not to mention all the Americans that were killed because of you assholes.

Or are we just conveniently ignoring that for this thread? Because then yeah sure Obama's a jerk.

:cool:
 
Obama's drone strikes have killed over 2400 people and within that number is 200 innocent children. War is hell. Where is Diane Feinstein on that? And where is the media? If the time ever comes to where we take a bunch of the enemy and their families and place them in a skyscraper and fly a jet into it then maybe I would think we were going a bit far.
Water boarding? Sleep D?????????, F U Di Fi.

How would you feel about comparing that to 400,000 (some estimate over 1,000,000) civilian deaths in Iraq under republicans? Not to mention all the Americans that were killed because of you assholes.

Or are we just conveniently ignoring that for this thread? Because then yeah sure Obama's a jerk.

:cool:

That's a poor comparison because you're trying to take a tally total and compare to just a portion of the deaths caused by the current administration.

After that, it makes you look like a partisan fucking moron for playing compare and contrast with lives. You sick fucker.
 
I thought you "liberals" were better than the conservatives you blame for nefarious techniques in "war"? You know, morally and ethically better equipped. Then you roll out a compare and contrast...what a bunch of losers you guys are. Worse than the Bush conservatives either. At least they didnt lie about who they really are. The same can not be said for you "liberals".
 
Obama's drone strikes have killed over 2400 people and within that number is 200 innocent children. War is hell. Where is Diane Feinstein on that? And where is the media? If the time ever comes to where we take a bunch of the enemy and their families and place them in a skyscraper and fly a jet into it then maybe I would think we were going a bit far.
Water boarding? Sleep D?????????, F U Di Fi.
Incorrect.

This fails as a false comparison fallacy, as the illegal torture occurred in Guantanamo, subject to US jurisdiction, the detainees in American custody were entitled to due process rights (Boumediene v. Bush (2008)). The territory undergoing drone strikes is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, where no due process rights exist, as Justice Scalia maintained in Boumediene:

“There is simply no support for the Court’s assertion that constitutional rights extend to aliens held outside U.S. sovereign territory, see Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U. S., at 271, and Eisentrager could not be clearer that the privilege of habeas corpus does not extend to aliens abroad.”

BOUMEDIENE v. BUSH

Consequently your attempt at partisan deflection fails, as the Bush administration was indeed culpable with regard to illegal torture, and the Obama administration's use of drone strikes are lawful attacks on enemy combatants where the “privilege of habeas corpus does not extend to aliens abroad.”

You have got to be kidding. The only partisan deflection is Diane Feinstein's attempt to burn down the barn on the way out.
A cheep political stage play in part to shield Gruber's testimony yesterday and to satisfy her sick childish vendetta after watching her party get their ass kick in the midterms. The Dems are freaking out and pulling out all of the stops. It's over progressives...it's all over you are done as far as the American people are concerned.
 


I have a problem with Diane Feinstein

she is opening all the CIA shit

no Diane...not good enough ...american soldiers will be killed because of you.....

why is she doing that?

World Order may be?

American people wake up!
Feinstein is bitter the dems wont be in control because the American people handed their asses to them on a silver platter in epic proportions. She is doing this out of spite at the behest of Obama, our non-natural born citizen president constitutionally ineligible to hold the office.
 
Drones are bad, war is worse, and torture is inexcusable.
200 innocent children killed from 15,000 ft as opposed to a little water boarding to get actual real time info to go in and take out bad guy's on the ground sparing innocent life. What a bunch of hypocrite's you lefties on this board are. Obama is a coward he hides his evil actions with the help of an ever increasing disgusting so called news media. No wonder you leftest know nothing. Turn off PBS and NBC! and learn something!
 
Drones are bad, war is worse, and torture is inexcusable.
200 innocent children killed from 15,000 ft as opposed to a little water boarding to get actual real time info to go in and take out bad guy's on the ground sparing innocent life. What a bunch of hypocrite's you lefties on this board are. Obama is a coward he hides his evil actions with the help of an ever increasing disgusting so called news media. No wonder you leftest know nothing. Turn off PBS and NBC! and learn something!
Learn that you are mixing apples and toasters, in an attempt to make a partisan argument, that you aren't winning even against yourself.
 
Drones are bad, war is worse, and torture is inexcusable.
Torture is needed to get information crucial to find the enemy ( like Bin Laden) and save American lives in a time of war.
No, it isn't. And what goes around comes around.
Then how do you extract crucial information from a captured enemy who refuses to talk?
You don't, not if you have morals that is.
 

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