Too Much Gov't

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    Below you will find a snippet from the latest "Outside the Box" email I get every week from John Mauldin. This actually a quote from a book inside an email inside a letter inside an email, I'm just going to highlight the original book and author. It offers an explanation for how sefdom began, or at least one possibility. Don't know that I'd say modern day Americans are heading down the same path, or would end up in the same situation, but it sure looks like the good times are about over. These days, progressives in both parties are ever increasing the size and scope of gov't. Look at where the country was 100 years ago compared to what it is today, we've ceded over to the gov't a lot of power over us. How much bigger and more powerful will the gov't be 100 years from today? And what will life be like then?


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    "I invite you to read the last few sentences of the below article from The Lessons of History, by Will and Ariel Durant. It is about how the destruction of the Roman Empire through the taxation channel made people 'slaves,' in other words how serfdom emerged.
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    "Rome had its socialist interlude under Diocletian. Faced with increasing poverty and restlessness among the masses, and with the imminent danger of barbarian invasion, he issued in A.D. 3 an edictum de pretiis, which denounced monopolists for keeping goods from the market to raise prices, and set maximum prices and wages for all important articles and services. Extensive public works were undertaken to put the unemployed to work, and food was distributed gratis, or at reduced prices, to the poor. The government – which already owned most mines, quarries, and salt deposits – brought nearly all major industries and guilds under detailed control. 'In every large town,' we are told, 'the state became a powerful employer, standing head and shoulders above the private industrialists, who were in any case crushed by taxation.' When businessmen predicted ruin, Diocletian explained that the barbarians were at the gate, and that individual liberty had to be shelved until collective liberty could be made secure. The socialism of Diocletian was a war economy, made possible by fear of foreign attack. Other factors equal, internal liberty varies inversely with external danger.

    "The task of controlling men in economic detail proved too much for Diocletian's expanding, expensive, and corrupt bureaucracy. To support this officialdom – the army, the courts, public works, and the dole – taxation rose to such heights that people lost the incentive to work or earn, and an erosive contest began between lawyers finding devices to evade taxes and lawyers formulating laws to prevent evasion. Thousands of Romans, to escape the tax gatherer, fled over the frontiers to seek refuge among the barbarians. Seeking to check this elusive mobility and to facilitate regulation and taxation, the government issued decrees binding the peasant to his field and the worker to his shop until all their debts and taxes had been paid. In this and other ways medieval serfdom began."
     
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    Meanwhile, in the world of today, the megarich are taxed so little their wealth has increased 283% while the non rich and the country are being ruined...thanks Pubbies!
     
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    Remind me again why the Ried/Pelosi/Obama trifecta didn't raise taxes when they had the chance ?

    Thanks Harry/Nancy/Dipstick.
     
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    I realize there are significant differences between now and then; for one, they didn't have the massive debt that we do, relative to the overall economy's productivity (GDP). The real issue is too much gov't, which has always been to inefficient, too corrupt, too susceptible to political favors. As about all of the modern European countries are finding out, a gov't that is too large saps economic growth, there's just no 2 ways about it.
     

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