Thought police...

[NYcarbineer]

Easy, while there is free will there is no such thing as spiritual free well…

Answer the question, is God not at work in all things? Things like hospitals, filled with science?

And if God Himself allows one to believe in Him or not, I would call that spiritual free will.

I answered it, it's a Christian thing you may not understand.
He uses good things and sin alike for his purposes, which is stated over and over again in the Bible - we are not able to understand all of his ways... Hence his ways are not our ways...
By the way the lake of fire in hell is going to be full of souls...

So, rushing a sick child to the hospital is okay but trying to protect God's creation, the earth which men are stewards of, is not?

God is at work in one but not the other? I'd be interested in knowing how you know such a thing?

For modern American conservatives, God trumps everything except Greed. Greed trumps God.

God doesn't need money, it's all his to begin with everything here is… lol

So you misspoke when you complained about taxes taking your money. You meant to say God's money?

 

[NYcarbineer]

If you stand in the middle of a railroad track, and instead of the train stopping in time it hits and kills you even though you prayed for God to save you, is that God's will?

A Christian would not even bother to put out a hypothetical like that… Nice try LOL

And they would not because they would be testing God?

You do that daily it seems, not wearing the seat belt God provided, maybe even helped to create.

It's not my place to say one way or the other, there is only one judge of behavior on this earth…

Your entire OP is a judgment. You judge me as going to Hell?

Could God not want you to wear your seat belt, for your own protection? And could God not work through me just as easily as working through you?

If, just for the hell of it, the next time you drove your truck you got into an accident but because of this chat you actually did wear your seat belt this one time and it saved your life, could you then say, for certain, that such a thing was not the will of God, God using me to send you a rowboat?

Not wearing your seat belt while driving big powerful machines at high speed? That, my friend, is testing God nearly at the same level as standing before the on-coming train waiting to be saved.

To the contrary, it's progressive control freaks like yourself that want to push and agenda on everyone else that they don't agree with. To force people to take on Obamacare - or use a seatbelt - or fill out a background check has nothing to do with anything but control....
Like I said there is free will but there is no such thing as spiritual free well… One could say predestination

Ironically,

there's less evidence for the existence of God than there is for global warming, and yet,

you DEMAND that the science of global warming be comprehensive and flawless before you'd consider believing it.

 

[Rustic]

So to say "doing it for your own good" is nothing but a control move, a power grab...
Contrary to progressive views this is not a village we are not in this altogether the government is not our Savior…

 

[Rustic]

Answer the question, is God not at work in all things? Things like hospitals, filled with science?

And if God Himself allows one to believe in Him or not, I would call that spiritual free will.

I answered it, it's a Christian thing you may not understand.
He uses good things and sin alike for his purposes, which is stated over and over again in the Bible - we are not able to understand all of his ways... Hence his ways are not our ways...
By the way the lake of fire in hell is going to be full of souls...

So, rushing a sick child to the hospital is okay but trying to protect God's creation, the earth which men are stewards of, is not?

God is at work in one but not the other? I'd be interested in knowing how you know such a thing?

For modern American conservatives, God trumps everything except Greed. Greed trumps God.

God doesn't need money, it's all his to begin with everything here is… lol

So you misspoke when you complained about taxes taking your money. You meant to say God's money?

You're missing the forest through the trees, Its about control... Taxes that is. Lol

 

[Rustic]

A Christian would not even bother to put out a hypothetical like that… Nice try LOL

And they would not because they would be testing God?

You do that daily it seems, not wearing the seat belt God provided, maybe even helped to create.

It's not my place to say one way or the other, there is only one judge of behavior on this earth…

Your entire OP is a judgment. You judge me as going to Hell?

Could God not want you to wear your seat belt, for your own protection? And could God not work through me just as easily as working through you?

If, just for the hell of it, the next time you drove your truck you got into an accident but because of this chat you actually did wear your seat belt this one time and it saved your life, could you then say, for certain, that such a thing was not the will of God, God using me to send you a rowboat?

Not wearing your seat belt while driving big powerful machines at high speed? That, my friend, is testing God nearly at the same level as standing before the on-coming train waiting to be saved.

To the contrary, it's progressive control freaks like yourself that want to push and agenda on everyone else that they don't agree with. To force people to take on Obamacare - or use a seatbelt - or fill out a background check has nothing to do with anything but control....
Like I said there is free will but there is no such thing as spiritual free well… One could say predestination

Ironically,

there's less evidence for the existence of God than there is for global warming, and yet,

you DEMAND that the science of global warming be comprehensive and flawless before you'd consider believing it.

Funny you should mention that, we have no control over the bearing of this planet one way or the other. It's arrogance of the control freaks that think so one-dimensional he…

 

[Jack4jill]

So to say "doing it for your own good" is nothing but a control move, a power grab...
Contrary to progressive views this is not a village we are not in this altogether the government is not our Savior…

We are not in this altogether? Tell us, how many planets did God create for mankind?

 

[Jack4jill]

And they would not because they would be testing God?

You do that daily it seems, not wearing the seat belt God provided, maybe even helped to create.

It's not my place to say one way or the other, there is only one judge of behavior on this earth…

Your entire OP is a judgment. You judge me as going to Hell?

Could God not want you to wear your seat belt, for your own protection? And could God not work through me just as easily as working through you?

If, just for the hell of it, the next time you drove your truck you got into an accident but because of this chat you actually did wear your seat belt this one time and it saved your life, could you then say, for certain, that such a thing was not the will of God, God using me to send you a rowboat?

Not wearing your seat belt while driving big powerful machines at high speed? That, my friend, is testing God nearly at the same level as standing before the on-coming train waiting to be saved.

To the contrary, it's progressive control freaks like yourself that want to push and agenda on everyone else that they don't agree with. To force people to take on Obamacare - or use a seatbelt - or fill out a background check has nothing to do with anything but control....
Like I said there is free will but there is no such thing as spiritual free well… One could say predestination

Ironically,

there's less evidence for the existence of God than there is for global warming, and yet,

you DEMAND that the science of global warming be comprehensive and flawless before you'd consider believing it.

Funny you should mention that, we have no control over the bearing of this planet one way or the other. It's arrogance of the control freaks that think so one-dimensional he…

No control? We can't nuke the thing and make it so irradiated that we can't survive?

The earth might be a rock, but we can only survive here if it is a rock under conditions we can handle. We have to power to make it unlivable.

 

[Rustic]

Study: Air pollution causes 200,000 early deaths each year in the U.S.

All smoke and mirrors by a socialist federal government… You're mislead - A trait common to lemmings

lol, there are people dumber than the climate change deniers...

...the air pollution deniers.

Too Many trees causes pollution... Dumbass

So you would recommend to parents of a newborn to go ahead and smoke all they want in the house. Brilliant.

God will filter the smoke away apparently.

You go ahead and wish or want for an overbearing government to live your life for you, fine I don't care. I just soon live my own life instead of some control freak to tell me how to a good little village idiot...

 

[Rustic]

So to say "doing it for your own good" is nothing but a control move, a power grab...
Contrary to progressive views this is not a village we are not in this altogether the government is not our Savior…

We are not in this altogether? Tell us, how many planets did God create for mankind?

We don't have to live life as drones…

 

[Jack4jill]

One could say predestination

One could say that, but that would mean that you believe in God, it was ordained, and I don't, it was ordained.

If predestination exists, there is no Free Will as nothing you do changes anything at all, your fate was always preordained.

Can you personally change your fate say, your life after this life by the choices you make here? Yes or no?

 

[Rustic]

It's not my place to say one way or the other, there is only one judge of behavior on this earth…

Your entire OP is a judgment. You judge me as going to Hell?

Could God not want you to wear your seat belt, for your own protection? And could God not work through me just as easily as working through you?

If, just for the hell of it, the next time you drove your truck you got into an accident but because of this chat you actually did wear your seat belt this one time and it saved your life, could you then say, for certain, that such a thing was not the will of God, God using me to send you a rowboat?

Not wearing your seat belt while driving big powerful machines at high speed? That, my friend, is testing God nearly at the same level as standing before the on-coming train waiting to be saved.

To the contrary, it's progressive control freaks like yourself that want to push and agenda on everyone else that they don't agree with. To force people to take on Obamacare - or use a seatbelt - or fill out a background check has nothing to do with anything but control....
Like I said there is free will but there is no such thing as spiritual free well… One could say predestination

Ironically,

there's less evidence for the existence of God than there is for global warming, and yet,

you DEMAND that the science of global warming be comprehensive and flawless before you'd consider believing it.

Funny you should mention that, we have no control over the bearing of this planet one way or the other. It's arrogance of the control freaks that think so one-dimensional he…

No control? We can't nuke the thing and make it so irradiated that we can't survive?

The earth might be a rock, but we can only survive here if it is a rock under conditions we can handle. We have to power to make it unlivable.

Only as a village though, thank God we don't live in a fucking control freaks Village...it's a good thing there such a thing as an individual in a socialist "it takes a village" there's no such thing as an individual. Lol

 

[Jack4jill]

All smoke and mirrors by a socialist federal government… You're mislead - A trait common to lemmings

lol, there are people dumber than the climate change deniers...

...the air pollution deniers.

Too Many trees causes pollution... Dumbass

So you would recommend to parents of a newborn to go ahead and smoke all they want in the house. Brilliant.

God will filter the smoke away apparently.

You go ahead and wish or want for an overbearing government to live your life for you, fine I don't care. I just soon live my own life instead of some control freak to tell me how to a good little village idiot...

You say that the government rules me? And that makes me a good little village idiot for being under the thumb of another? You want to live free from all of that, from rules and rulers?

Okay, does God not rule over you?

 

[Rustic]

One could say predestination

One could say that, but that would mean that you believe in God, it was ordained, and I don't, it was ordained.

If predestination exists, there is no Free Will as nothing you do changes anything at all, your fate was always preordained.

Can you personally change your fate say, your life after this life by the choices you make here? Yes or no?

I'm not a Buddhist or Hindu...
In fact there is no such thing as spiritual free will.
It goes back to the thing - God's ways are not our ways so we would not understand… That's what faith is for.

 

[Jack4jill]

Your entire OP is a judgment. You judge me as going to Hell?

Could God not want you to wear your seat belt, for your own protection? And could God not work through me just as easily as working through you?

If, just for the hell of it, the next time you drove your truck you got into an accident but because of this chat you actually did wear your seat belt this one time and it saved your life, could you then say, for certain, that such a thing was not the will of God, God using me to send you a rowboat?

Not wearing your seat belt while driving big powerful machines at high speed? That, my friend, is testing God nearly at the same level as standing before the on-coming train waiting to be saved.

To the contrary, it's progressive control freaks like yourself that want to push and agenda on everyone else that they don't agree with. To force people to take on Obamacare - or use a seatbelt - or fill out a background check has nothing to do with anything but control....
Like I said there is free will but there is no such thing as spiritual free well… One could say predestination

Ironically,

there's less evidence for the existence of God than there is for global warming, and yet,

you DEMAND that the science of global warming be comprehensive and flawless before you'd consider believing it.

Funny you should mention that, we have no control over the bearing of this planet one way or the other. It's arrogance of the control freaks that think so one-dimensional he…

No control? We can't nuke the thing and make it so irradiated that we can't survive?

The earth might be a rock, but we can only survive here if it is a rock under conditions we can handle. We have to power to make it unlivable.

Only as a village though, thank God we don't live in a fucking control freaks Village...it's a good thing there such a thing as an individual in a socialist "it takes a village" there's no such thing as an individual. Lol

A village is made up of individuals. To understand life, you must meet many of them. They help you to understand the complexity that is life.

A child raised by many knows much more than a child raised by a few.

Ask yourself this, would you like a child that was exposed only to people who thought the same very way? Raised in some kind of cult of thought or experience? That hardly sounds like respect for the individual.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And they would not because they would be testing God?

You do that daily it seems, not wearing the seat belt God provided, maybe even helped to create.

It's not my place to say one way or the other, there is only one judge of behavior on this earth…

Your entire OP is a judgment. You judge me as going to Hell?

Could God not want you to wear your seat belt, for your own protection? And could God not work through me just as easily as working through you?

If, just for the hell of it, the next time you drove your truck you got into an accident but because of this chat you actually did wear your seat belt this one time and it saved your life, could you then say, for certain, that such a thing was not the will of God, God using me to send you a rowboat?

Not wearing your seat belt while driving big powerful machines at high speed? That, my friend, is testing God nearly at the same level as standing before the on-coming train waiting to be saved.

To the contrary, it's progressive control freaks like yourself that want to push and agenda on everyone else that they don't agree with. To force people to take on Obamacare - or use a seatbelt - or fill out a background check has nothing to do with anything but control....
Like I said there is free will but there is no such thing as spiritual free well… One could say predestination

Ironically,

there's less evidence for the existence of God than there is for global warming, and yet,

you DEMAND that the science of global warming be comprehensive and flawless before you'd consider believing it.

Funny you should mention that, we have no control over the bearing of this planet one way or the other. It's arrogance of the control freaks that think so one-dimensional he…

You live your life based on outright mythology. As such you have abdicated your authority to stand in judgment over the reasoning powers of others.

 

[Jack4jill]

One could say predestination

One could say that, but that would mean that you believe in God, it was ordained, and I don't, it was ordained.

If predestination exists, there is no Free Will as nothing you do changes anything at all, your fate was always preordained.

Can you personally change your fate say, your life after this life by the choices you make here? Yes or no?

I'm not a Buddhist or Hindu...
In fact there is no such thing as spiritual free will.
It goes back to the thing - God's ways are not our ways so we would not understand… That's what faith is for.

If there is no spiritual free will, why does God allow you to believe and me not to?

Can you personally change your fate say, your life after this life by the choices you make here? Yes or no?

 

[Rustic]

lol, there are people dumber than the climate change deniers...

...the air pollution deniers.

Too Many trees causes pollution... Dumbass

So you would recommend to parents of a newborn to go ahead and smoke all they want in the house. Brilliant.

God will filter the smoke away apparently.

You go ahead and wish or want for an overbearing government to live your life for you, fine I don't care. I just soon live my own life instead of some control freak to tell me how to a good little village idiot...

You say that the government rules me? And that makes me a good little village idiot for being under the thumb of another? You want to live free from all of that, from rules and rulers?

Okay, does God not rule over you?

Of course, and I try and make my behavior reflect that. I am a law-abiding citizen, but at the same time that does not mean all laws of this federal government are infallible. The federal government is made up of its career politicians who happened to be all control freaks.

 

[Rustic]

It's not my place to say one way or the other, there is only one judge of behavior on this earth…

Your entire OP is a judgment. You judge me as going to Hell?

Could God not want you to wear your seat belt, for your own protection? And could God not work through me just as easily as working through you?

If, just for the hell of it, the next time you drove your truck you got into an accident but because of this chat you actually did wear your seat belt this one time and it saved your life, could you then say, for certain, that such a thing was not the will of God, God using me to send you a rowboat?

Not wearing your seat belt while driving big powerful machines at high speed? That, my friend, is testing God nearly at the same level as standing before the on-coming train waiting to be saved.

To the contrary, it's progressive control freaks like yourself that want to push and agenda on everyone else that they don't agree with. To force people to take on Obamacare - or use a seatbelt - or fill out a background check has nothing to do with anything but control....
Like I said there is free will but there is no such thing as spiritual free well… One could say predestination

Ironically,

there's less evidence for the existence of God than there is for global warming, and yet,

you DEMAND that the science of global warming be comprehensive and flawless before you'd consider believing it.

Funny you should mention that, we have no control over the bearing of this planet one way or the other. It's arrogance of the control freaks that think so one-dimensional he…

You live your life based on outright mythology. As such you have abdicated your authority to stand in judgment over the reasoning powers of others.

No not really, you do your thing the rest of us will do ours. It's Village idiots like yourself that want to control everyone else's lives.

 

[Jack4jill]

So to say "doing it for your own good" is nothing but a control move, a power grab...
Contrary to progressive views this is not a village we are not in this altogether the government is not our Savior…

We are not in this altogether? Tell us, how many planets did God create for mankind?

We don't have to live life as drones…

I didn't know that obeying rules made one a drone? In my house it meant you sat down comfortably more often and those rules were for my protection, as well as the sanity of my parents.

They didn't raise a drone, never wanted one. They wanted a decent, smart, kind, thoughtful, moral human being, and they got one.

While rules can be oppressive, just by themselves they are not. If they were you'd be in a lot of trouble. Your faith, created by others not you, is filled with them.

 

[Rustic]

One could say predestination

One could say that, but that would mean that you believe in God, it was ordained, and I don't, it was ordained.

If predestination exists, there is no Free Will as nothing you do changes anything at all, your fate was always preordained.

Can you personally change your fate say, your life after this life by the choices you make here? Yes or no?

I'm not a Buddhist or Hindu...
In fact there is no such thing as spiritual free will.
It goes back to the thing - God's ways are not our ways so we would not understand… That's what faith is for.

If there is no spiritual free will, why does God allow you to believe and me not to?

Can you personally change your fate say, your life after this life by the choices you make here? Yes or no?

It's not up to me, come on you can do better than that…