Thought police...

[Rustic]

All of those things should be a personal choice, just like mandatory insurance it's just legalized extortion. By the way, I never wear my seatbelt because I just don't want to simple as that. LOL

And if the seat belt you didn't use could have saved your life, would that also be God's plan?


"I Sent You a Rowboat

A very religious man was once caught in rising floodwaters. He climbed onto the roof of his house and trusted God to rescue him. A neighbor came by in a canoe and said, “The waters will soon be above your house. Hop in and we’ll paddle to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

A short time later the police came by in a boat. “The waters will soon be above your house. Hop in and we’ll take you to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

A little time later a rescue services helicopter hovered overhead, let down a rope ladder and said. “The waters will soon be above your house. Climb the ladder and we’ll fly you to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

All this time the floodwaters continued to rise, until soon they reached above the roof and the religious man drowned. When he arrived at heaven he demanded an audience with God. Ushered into God’s throne room he said, “Lord, why am I here in heaven? I prayed for you to save me, I trusted you to save me from that flood.”

“Yes you did my child” replied the Lord. “And I sent you a canoe, a boat, and a helicopter. But you never got in.”

You put your trust in your fellow man and government, I'll put my trust elsewhere... Lol

God is not at work in all things?

Your trust is the same as the man in the story. You reject the help God is offering because you want something Godlike? That would be testing God, I wouldn't go there.

It's called Faith... Control freaks would not understand

The man in the story had faith, loads of it. How'd that work out for him?

Your child gets hit by a car. Do you pray to God to heal them and watch them die or do you rush them to the hospital first and then pray?

For a being who works in mysterious ways, you seem to know how He works better than He does?

Silly boy, his ways are not our ways. It's the Christian thing you apparently do not understand…

 

[Jack4jill]

And if the seat belt you didn't use could have saved your life, would that also be God's plan?


"I Sent You a Rowboat

A very religious man was once caught in rising floodwaters. He climbed onto the roof of his house and trusted God to rescue him. A neighbor came by in a canoe and said, “The waters will soon be above your house. Hop in and we’ll paddle to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

A short time later the police came by in a boat. “The waters will soon be above your house. Hop in and we’ll take you to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

A little time later a rescue services helicopter hovered overhead, let down a rope ladder and said. “The waters will soon be above your house. Climb the ladder and we’ll fly you to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

All this time the floodwaters continued to rise, until soon they reached above the roof and the religious man drowned. When he arrived at heaven he demanded an audience with God. Ushered into God’s throne room he said, “Lord, why am I here in heaven? I prayed for you to save me, I trusted you to save me from that flood.”

“Yes you did my child” replied the Lord. “And I sent you a canoe, a boat, and a helicopter. But you never got in.”

You put your trust in your fellow man and government, I'll put my trust elsewhere... Lol

God is not at work in all things?

Your trust is the same as the man in the story. You reject the help God is offering because you want something Godlike? That would be testing God, I wouldn't go there.

It's called Faith... Control freaks would not understand

The man in the story had faith, loads of it. How'd that work out for him?

Your child gets hit by a car. Do you pray to God to heal them and watch them die or do you rush them to the hospital first and then pray?

For a being who works in mysterious ways, you seem to know how He works better than He does?

Silly boy, his ways are not our ways. It's the Christian thing you apparently do not understand…

His ways aren't our ways, but how do you know He is not driving the actions of those attempting to save the world?

What would God have against attempting to protect and defend His creation?

And you didn't answer the question, is God not at work in all things, like the hospital you'd rush an injured child to?

 

[Rustic]

You put your trust in your fellow man and government, I'll put my trust elsewhere... Lol

God is not at work in all things?

Your trust is the same as the man in the story. You reject the help God is offering because you want something Godlike? That would be testing God, I wouldn't go there.

It's called Faith... Control freaks would not understand

The man in the story had faith, loads of it. How'd that work out for him?

Your child gets hit by a car. Do you pray to God to heal them and watch them die or do you rush them to the hospital first and then pray?

For a being who works in mysterious ways, you seem to know how He works better than He does?

Silly boy, his ways are not our ways. It's the Christian thing you apparently do not understand…

His ways aren't our ways, but how do you know He is not driving the actions of those attempting to save the world?

What would God have against attempting to protect and defend His creation?

And you didn't answer the question, is God not at work in all things, like the hospital you'd rush an injured child to?

Easy, while there is free will there is no such thing as spiritual free well…

 

[Jack4jill]

God is not at work in all things?

Your trust is the same as the man in the story. You reject the help God is offering because you want something Godlike? That would be testing God, I wouldn't go there.

It's called Faith... Control freaks would not understand

The man in the story had faith, loads of it. How'd that work out for him?

Your child gets hit by a car. Do you pray to God to heal them and watch them die or do you rush them to the hospital first and then pray?

For a being who works in mysterious ways, you seem to know how He works better than He does?

Silly boy, his ways are not our ways. It's the Christian thing you apparently do not understand…

His ways aren't our ways, but how do you know He is not driving the actions of those attempting to save the world?

What would God have against attempting to protect and defend His creation?

And you didn't answer the question, is God not at work in all things, like the hospital you'd rush an injured child to?

Easy, while there is free will there is no such thing as spiritual free well…

Answer the question, is God not at work in all things? Things like hospitals, filled with science?

And if God Himself allows one to believe in Him or not, I would call that spiritual free will.

 

[Jack4jill]

If you stand in the middle of a railroad track, and instead of the train stopping in time it hits and kills you even though you prayed for God to save you, is that God's will?

 

[Rustic]

It's called Faith... Control freaks would not understand

The man in the story had faith, loads of it. How'd that work out for him?

Your child gets hit by a car. Do you pray to God to heal them and watch them die or do you rush them to the hospital first and then pray?

For a being who works in mysterious ways, you seem to know how He works better than He does?

Silly boy, his ways are not our ways. It's the Christian thing you apparently do not understand…

His ways aren't our ways, but how do you know He is not driving the actions of those attempting to save the world?

What would God have against attempting to protect and defend His creation?

And you didn't answer the question, is God not at work in all things, like the hospital you'd rush an injured child to?

Easy, while there is free will there is no such thing as spiritual free well…

Answer the question, is God not at work in all things? Things like hospitals, filled with science?

And if God Himself allows one to believe in Him or not, I would call that spiritual free will.

I answered it, it's a Christian thing you may not understand.
He uses good things and sin alike for his purposes, which is stated over and over again in the Bible - we are not able to understand all of his ways... Hence his ways are not our ways...
By the way the lake of fire in hell is going to be full of souls...

 

[Rustic]

If you stand in the middle of a railroad track, and instead of the train stopping in time it hits and kills you even though you prayed for God to save you, is that God's will?

A Christian would not even bother to put out a hypothetical like that… Nice try LOL

 

[Jack4jill]

If you stand in the middle of a railroad track, and instead of the train stopping in time it hits and kills you even though you prayed for God to save you, is that God's will?

A Christian would not even bother to put out a hypothetical like that… Nice try LOL

And they would not because they would be testing God, correct?

But you do that daily it seems, not wearing the seat belt God provided, maybe even helped to create.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Study: Air pollution causes 200,000 early deaths each year in the U.S.

All smoke and mirrors by a socialist federal government… You're mislead - A trait common to lemmings

lol, there are people dumber than the climate change deniers...

...the air pollution deniers.

Too Many trees causes pollution... Dumbass

So you would recommend to parents of a newborn to go ahead and smoke all they want in the house. Brilliant.

 

[Jack4jill]

The man in the story had faith, loads of it. How'd that work out for him?

Your child gets hit by a car. Do you pray to God to heal them and watch them die or do you rush them to the hospital first and then pray?

For a being who works in mysterious ways, you seem to know how He works better than He does?

Silly boy, his ways are not our ways. It's the Christian thing you apparently do not understand…

His ways aren't our ways, but how do you know He is not driving the actions of those attempting to save the world?

What would God have against attempting to protect and defend His creation?

And you didn't answer the question, is God not at work in all things, like the hospital you'd rush an injured child to?

Easy, while there is free will there is no such thing as spiritual free well…

Answer the question, is God not at work in all things? Things like hospitals, filled with science?

And if God Himself allows one to believe in Him or not, I would call that spiritual free will.

I answered it, it's a Christian thing you may not understand.
He uses good things and sin alike for his purposes, which is stated over and over again in the Bible - we are not able to understand all of his ways... Hence his ways are not our ways...
By the way the lake of fire in hell is going to be full of souls...

So, rushing a sick child to the hospital is okay but trying to protect God's creation, the earth which men are stewards of, is not?

God is at work in one but not the other? I'd be interested in knowing how you know such a thing?

 

[Jack4jill]

Study: Air pollution causes 200,000 early deaths each year in the U.S.

All smoke and mirrors by a socialist federal government… You're mislead - A trait common to lemmings

lol, there are people dumber than the climate change deniers...

...the air pollution deniers.

Too Many trees causes pollution... Dumbass

So you would recommend to parents of a newborn to go ahead and smoke all they want in the house. Brilliant.

God will filter the smoke away apparently.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If you stand in the middle of a railroad track, and instead of the train stopping in time it hits and kills you even though you prayed for God to save you, is that God's will?

A Christian would not even bother to put out a hypothetical like that… Nice try LOL

Don't Christians pray for the safe return of their loved ones sent off to war?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Silly boy, his ways are not our ways. It's the Christian thing you apparently do not understand…

His ways aren't our ways, but how do you know He is not driving the actions of those attempting to save the world?

What would God have against attempting to protect and defend His creation?

And you didn't answer the question, is God not at work in all things, like the hospital you'd rush an injured child to?

Easy, while there is free will there is no such thing as spiritual free well…

Answer the question, is God not at work in all things? Things like hospitals, filled with science?

And if God Himself allows one to believe in Him or not, I would call that spiritual free will.

I answered it, it's a Christian thing you may not understand.
He uses good things and sin alike for his purposes, which is stated over and over again in the Bible - we are not able to understand all of his ways... Hence his ways are not our ways...
By the way the lake of fire in hell is going to be full of souls...

So, rushing a sick child to the hospital is okay but trying to protect God's creation, the earth which men are stewards of, is not?

God is at work in one but not the other? I'd be interested in knowing how you know such a thing?

For modern American conservatives, God trumps everything except Greed. Greed trumps God.

 

[Rustic]

If you stand in the middle of a railroad track, and instead of the train stopping in time it hits and kills you even though you prayed for God to save you, is that God's will?

A Christian would not even bother to put out a hypothetical like that… Nice try LOL

And they would not because they would be testing God?

You do that daily it seems, not wearing the seat belt God provided, maybe even helped to create.

It's not my place to say one way or the other, there is only one judge of behavior on this earth…

 

[Rustic]

Study: Air pollution causes 200,000 early deaths each year in the U.S.

All smoke and mirrors by a socialist federal government… You're mislead - A trait common to lemmings

lol, there are people dumber than the climate change deniers...

...the air pollution deniers.

Too Many trees causes pollution... Dumbass

So you would recommend to parents of a newborn to go ahead and smoke all they want in the house. Brilliant.

It's not my place to say or anyone's place to say but the people involved… Certainly not the federal governments place.

 

[Rustic]

If you stand in the middle of a railroad track, and instead of the train stopping in time it hits and kills you even though you prayed for God to save you, is that God's will?

A Christian would not even bother to put out a hypothetical like that… Nice try LOL

Don't Christians pray for the safe return of their loved ones sent off to war?

Of course, but in the end it's not their decision/will who lives and dies. In fact it's no ones decision... Here anyway

 

[NYcarbineer]

Study: Air pollution causes 200,000 early deaths each year in the U.S.

All smoke and mirrors by a socialist federal government… You're mislead - A trait common to lemmings

lol, there are people dumber than the climate change deniers...

...the air pollution deniers.

Too Many trees causes pollution... Dumbass

So you would recommend to parents of a newborn to go ahead and smoke all they want in the house. Brilliant.

It's not my place to say or anyone's place to say but the people involved… Certainly not the federal governments place.

The health of the American people is a vital national interest, therefore the federal government rightfully has the constitutional power and jurisdiction to act on matters of health.

 

[Jack4jill]

If you stand in the middle of a railroad track, and instead of the train stopping in time it hits and kills you even though you prayed for God to save you, is that God's will?

A Christian would not even bother to put out a hypothetical like that… Nice try LOL

And they would not because they would be testing God?

You do that daily it seems, not wearing the seat belt God provided, maybe even helped to create.

It's not my place to say one way or the other, there is only one judge of behavior on this earth…

Your entire OP is a judgment. You judge me as going to Hell?

Could God not want you to wear your seat belt, for your own protection? And could God not work through me just as easily as working through you?

If, just for the hell of it, the next time you drove your truck you got into an accident but because of this chat you actually did wear your seat belt this one time and it saved your life, could you then say, for certain, that such a thing was not the will of God, God using me to send you a rowboat?

Not wearing your seat belt while driving big powerful machines at high speed? That, my friend, is testing God nearly at the same level as standing before the oncoming train waiting to be saved.

 

[Rustic]

His ways aren't our ways, but how do you know He is not driving the actions of those attempting to save the world?

What would God have against attempting to protect and defend His creation?

And you didn't answer the question, is God not at work in all things, like the hospital you'd rush an injured child to?

Easy, while there is free will there is no such thing as spiritual free well…

Answer the question, is God not at work in all things? Things like hospitals, filled with science?

And if God Himself allows one to believe in Him or not, I would call that spiritual free will.

I answered it, it's a Christian thing you may not understand.
He uses good things and sin alike for his purposes, which is stated over and over again in the Bible - we are not able to understand all of his ways... Hence his ways are not our ways...
By the way the lake of fire in hell is going to be full of souls...

So, rushing a sick child to the hospital is okay but trying to protect God's creation, the earth which men are stewards of, is not?

God is at work in one but not the other? I'd be interested in knowing how you know such a thing?

For modern American conservatives, God trumps everything except Greed. Greed trumps God.

God doesn't need money, it's all his to begin with everything here is… lol

 

[Rustic]

If you stand in the middle of a railroad track, and instead of the train stopping in time it hits and kills you even though you prayed for God to save you, is that God's will?

A Christian would not even bother to put out a hypothetical like that… Nice try LOL

And they would not because they would be testing God?

You do that daily it seems, not wearing the seat belt God provided, maybe even helped to create.

It's not my place to say one way or the other, there is only one judge of behavior on this earth…

Your entire OP is a judgment. You judge me as going to Hell?

Could God not want you to wear your seat belt, for your own protection? And could God not work through me just as easily as working through you?

If, just for the hell of it, the next time you drove your truck you got into an accident but because of this chat you actually did wear your seat belt this one time and it saved your life, could you then say, for certain, that such a thing was not the will of God, God using me to send you a rowboat?

Not wearing your seat belt while driving big powerful machines at high speed? That, my friend, is testing God nearly at the same level as standing before the on-coming train waiting to be saved.

To the contrary, it's progressive control freaks like yourself that want to push and agenda on everyone else that they don't agree with. To force people to take on Obamacare - or use a seatbelt - or fill out a background check has nothing to do with anything but control....
Like I said there is free will but there is no such thing as spiritual free well… One could say predestination