CDZ This is why I am now against the bump stock ban, we must fight the bump stock ban....

[Witchit]

AGREE and as i always say --- my Curse is upon these lefties and their kids as time progresses and they reap the rewards of their works . -------------------- USA was the best country in the world and lefties , dems want to change it for some Pie in the Sky !!

we were the best country in the world.

Then you knobs elected Reagan, and big corporations have been running roughshod over us ever since.

------------------------------------------- I'm 68 and have always had it made , not rich or poor but always i and Family have had at least ENOUGH all our lives . USA made that possible for my 68 years plus my parents lifetime starting in the 20s and for my Grandparents lifetimes starting in the late 1800s and early 1900s JoeB !!

Millennials would love it if things were the same for them as for you.

 

[Skull Pilot]

AGREE and as i always say --- my Curse is upon these lefties and their kids as time progresses and they reap the rewards of their works . -------------------- USA was the best country in the world and lefties , dems want to change it for some Pie in the Sky !!

we were the best country in the world.

Then you knobs elected Reagan, and big corporations have been running roughshod over us ever since.

------------------------------------------- I'm 68 and have always had it made , not rich or poor but always i and Family have had at least ENOUGH all our lives . USA made that possible for my 68 years plus my parents lifetime starting in the 20s and for my Grandparents lifetimes starting in the late 1800s and early 1900s JoeB !!

Millennials would love it if things were the same for them as for you.

No they wouldn't

There were no cell phones or social media mind sucks back then

 

[Witchit]

Then move out. You'll be much happier elsewhere

No, I'll be happy when we fix this one, preferably over the lamentations of the right wing that drove us into the ditch to start with.

You'll be dead a long time before you get your wish of armed government agents storming into houses to confiscate weapons

That’s not what much of anybody is looking for, which means it’s a straw man.

 

[Witchit]

AGREE and as i always say --- my Curse is upon these lefties and their kids as time progresses and they reap the rewards of their works . -------------------- USA was the best country in the world and lefties , dems want to change it for some Pie in the Sky !!

we were the best country in the world.

Then you knobs elected Reagan, and big corporations have been running roughshod over us ever since.

------------------------------------------- I'm 68 and have always had it made , not rich or poor but always i and Family have had at least ENOUGH all our lives . USA made that possible for my 68 years plus my parents lifetime starting in the 20s and for my Grandparents lifetimes starting in the late 1800s and early 1900s JoeB !!

Millennials would love it if things were the same for them as for you.

No they wouldn't

There were no cell phones or social media mind sucks back then

And another straw man.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Then move out. You'll be much happier elsewhere

No, I'll be happy when we fix this one, preferably over the lamentations of the right wing that drove us into the ditch to start with.

You'll be dead a long time before you get your wish of armed government agents storming into houses to confiscate weapons

That’s not what much of anybody is looking for, which means it’s a straw man.

Keep telling yourself that.

And you might want to read some of Joe Blowhard's posts on how he wants all guns to be banned

 

[Skull Pilot]

AGREE and as i always say --- my Curse is upon these lefties and their kids as time progresses and they reap the rewards of their works . -------------------- USA was the best country in the world and lefties , dems want to change it for some Pie in the Sky !!

we were the best country in the world.

Then you knobs elected Reagan, and big corporations have been running roughshod over us ever since.

------------------------------------------- I'm 68 and have always had it made , not rich or poor but always i and Family have had at least ENOUGH all our lives . USA made that possible for my 68 years plus my parents lifetime starting in the 20s and for my Grandparents lifetimes starting in the late 1800s and early 1900s JoeB !!

Millennials would love it if things were the same for them as for you.

No they wouldn't

There were no cell phones or social media mind sucks back then

And another straw man.

No that is the truth

 

[pismoe]

quit importing competition . Imported workers and diversity is your enemy Witchit !!

 

[JoeB131]

You'll be dead a long time before you get your wish of armed government agents storming into houses to confiscate weapons

We'll see that within 10 years. After the GOP is sent to the political hinterlands in 2020, and big corporations finally getting fed up with $270 Billion in economic losses due to your fetish, you guys are sooo done.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You'll be dead a long time before you get your wish of armed government agents storming into houses to confiscate weapons

We'll see that within 10 years. After the GOP is sent to the political hinterlands in 2020, and big corporations finally getting fed up with $270 Billion in economic losses due to your fetish, you guys are sooo done.

Not gonna happen.

 

[Faun]

The second and third words of the Amendment are "well regulated". So installing and enforcing full regulations on guns were clearly a high priority of the Founding Fathers.

Therefore they were allowing for regulation to be a reflection of the country as the country developed, and a regulation is not an "attack", but simply a reflection of where the country is at a given time.

The Amendment does not provide for absolute freedom on gun ownership for all Americans.
.

And as Scalia defined those limits....it was essentially banning guns from felons and the dangerously mentally ill.....that's it.........

You don't know what you are talking about.....

One Justice?

Where does it say that in the Constitution?

What exactly am I missing here? "Well regulated" seems pretty clear to me.
.

If you really want to know what you are missing, then refer to the federalist papers. The founders are quite clear that they felt the government should be "regulated" by the people and not the other way around.

And people are speaking up against the government in favor of increased gun control, tighter regulations and banning some weapons.

That's why we have the Constitution.

not matter how pissy you get, we all get to keep our rights.

States are allowed to ban certain types of guns.

In Florida, for example:

Title XLVI - 790.221

(1) It is unlawful for any person to own or to have in his or her care, custody, possession, or control any short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, or machine gun which is, or may readily be made, operable; but this section shall not apply to antique firearms.
(2) A person who violates this section commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(3) Firearms in violation hereof which are lawfully owned and possessed under provisions of federal law are excepted.​

 

[pismoe]

and while i don't know Federal Law , i would GUESS that all the weapons you point out are available IF Florida is a Class 3 State Faun .

 

[pismoe]

here is some info for you Faun !! --- How to Purchase Class III NFA Weapons in the State of Florida ---

 

[pismoe]

was my info helpful to you FAUN ??

 

[jon_berzerk]

I am not interested in bump stocks.....as many say, they are a toy for gun enthusiasts.....

But....

This article explains why we have to fight the ban on bumpstocks...now true, anti gunners will not understand the argument, but we have to make a stand and this is where we must draw the line.......

As the anti gun acivist said at the march last Saturday, they will take the bump stock inch, and take a mile.....

Parkland Survivor: 'When They Give Us That Inch, That Bump Stock Ban, We Will Take a Mile'

Tarr spoke to the crowd and Think Progress quoted her saying, “When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile.”


From the points made in this article, this needs to go to the Supreme Court....just on the unlawful taking aspect of the ban...

Should We Surrender on Bump Stocks?

Neither is a bump stock required for rapid firing of a semi-automatic firearm. Any semi-automatic gun can be bump fired. Think about what that means. If the Executive Branch of the federal government can arbitrarily declare that a certain type of stock turns a semi-automatic firearm into a machine gun because it facilitates bump firing, the Executive can also reclassify all semi-automatic guns as machine guns, because all semi-autos are capable of bump firing. It's the realization of Dianne Feinstein's dream of "turn 'em all in." If this is allowed to stand, the precedent will have been established for confiscating all semi-automatic firearms without a single law being enacted or even deliberated.

The proposed bump stock ban is also an unconstitutional "taking." The Justice Department wants to compel everyone in possession of a bump stock to turn it in or destroy it without compensation. This is an explicit violation of the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, which prohibits the taking of private property without just compensation.

The last reason to oppose a bump stock ban is the most compelling of all. Please bear with me. There is a lesson to be learned from events that unfolded in seventeenth-century England. In 1685, James II ascended to the throne and decided he was going to restore the British Isles to Catholicism. Among the Protestant institutions that James II intended to subdue was the University of Cambridge. In 1687, Cambridge was ordered by James II to appoint a Catholic monk to the faculty, an illegal act. Under intense pressure, the faculty at Cambridge agreed to a compromise. The Catholic monk would be admitted with the understanding that this was to be a single exception from which no precedent could be drawn. The controversy was apparently settled, when a man stood up and voiced his objection to the arrangement. He said, "This is giving up the question." Singlehandedly, one person convinced the entire body of the faculty to resist on the basis of law and principle. Cambridge fought the king and won.

Who was this moral absolutist who refused to compromise principle? Who was this intransigent iconoclast? You will recognize his name: Isaac Newton, the greatest genius the human race has ever produced.

If we agree to ban bump stocks because they facilitate rapid firing, we have given up the question. We have agreed in principle that any dangerous gun can be banned and confiscated by an arbitrary executive order. All guns are capable of rapid fire, and all guns are inherently dangerous. Pump-action shotguns can be rapidly fired and reloaded. Jerry Miculek can fire five shots from a double-action revolver in 0.57 seconds. High-capacity magazines most certainly facilitate rapid fire, so they also will have to go. A writer who wants to ban all "private individual ownership of firearms" recently argued that "even bolt-action rifles can still fire surprisingly fast in skilled hands." He's right. All magazine-fed guns will be outlawed.

There is no compromise involved or proposed here. In return for a ban on bump stocks, we get exactly nothing – the same situation we have been through now for eighty-four years. Despite the fact that the Constitution forbids any "infringement" of our right to keep and bear arms, we have endured repeated trespasses. In less than a hundred years, we have been subjected to the National Firearms Act of 1934, the Gun Control Act of 1968, the Brady Act of 1993, and countless state restrictions on our rights. If we would be honest with ourselves, we would admit that half the Second Amendment is already gone.

every attack on the 2nd should be fought tooth and nail, and then re-attacked.

exactly

 

[pismoe]

no interest here but i'll just fight their banning .

 

[Two Thumbs]

That's why we have the Constitution.

not matter how pissy you get, we all get to keep our rights.

You totally have a right to have a militia in your state, but most states like having a National Guard instead.

the National Guard has nothing to do with militias.