This is how we end it! (solution)

[abi]

Q. How about giving Arab tribalism a chance?

How well has zionist tribalism worked?

 

[Shusha]

Just the other day Abbas stated that Jews make up history for political gain. I mean that all Arab Palestinians need to shift their thinking to: Israel has at least as much right to exist as Palestine does. The Jewish people have an inherent historical right to their land. That right is held collectively by all Jews (not just some).

Some Jews do do that and:
The zionists do NOT speak for the Jewish people and antizionism is NOT antisemitism.

UNESCO must list all Jewish historical sites as Jewish/Israeli historical sites (as well as Palestinian ones if applicable).

Why should UNESCO do that for things that are not agreed upon by historians?

Charters stating the territory as Arab or Palestine must be revised.

Good luck in your quest for revisionism.

Places where Jews live must no longer be thought of as illegal. Jews must not be considered combatants for the fact of being Jews.

The zionists, like everyone else must live by the standards set in international law. They are not thought of as combatant for being Jews, it is because they bomb civilians and stuff like that.

Change the narrative when the facts don't fit, not the facts.

Now go study!

Thank you, abi! You have very neatly proven my point. The starting place for a true solution is recognition of Israel and the rights and history of the Jewish people. In response to my first post you seemed to indicate that Israel and the Jewish people already have those things.

And YET....It took you only one more post to deny Jewish history and Jewish rights. THAT is why the solution must start with the recognition.

When you recognize Israel and the rights and history of the Jewish people -- then a solution is relatively simple.

 

[Shusha]

Let's start with an easy one. UNESCO should ensure that all documents list the Temple Mount and parts of the Old City of Jerusalem as a Jewish and Israeli historical sites, while also listing the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa and parts of the Old City of Jerusalem as Arab Palestinian historical sites.

Yes or no?

 

[rylah]

Q. How about giving Arab tribalism a chance?

How well has zionist tribalism worked?

It was crushed by Zion, and the Baalei Tshuva movement.
We are a nation, a Living nation. We're ONE tribe since 2000 years ago.

Arabs in the middle east on the other hand...Yemen, Syria...are not like UAE and Dubai.

Q. Isn't Gaza an Emirate?

 

[abi]

Let's start with an easy one. UNESCO should ensure that all documents list the Temple Mount and parts of the Old City of Jerusalem as a Jewish and Israeli historical sites, while also listing the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa and parts of the Old City of Jerusalem as Arab Palestinian historical sites.

Yes or no?

Palestinian structures are clear. They are there. You can see them. The Jewish claims remain remain in dispute, even by Israeli Jewish archeologists and historians.

 

[fanger]

But still not sure it provides a "solution".

When the hate ends, the people join together, the numbers begin to rise and before you know it, you have more people that want peace, than the war mongers can deal with.

The first step would be recognition of Israel, of Jewish rights and of Jewish history.

they also might try abiding by their agreement to removing the goal of the destruction of Israel from their charter. they haven't done that in what, two decades?

The Hamas charter, israel is not negotiating with Hamas

 

[Shusha]

Let's start with an easy one. UNESCO should ensure that all documents list the Temple Mount and parts of the Old City of Jerusalem as a Jewish and Israeli historical sites, while also listing the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa and parts of the Old City of Jerusalem as Arab Palestinian historical sites.

Yes or no?

Palestinian structures are clear. They are there. You can see them. The Jewish claims remain remain in dispute, even by Israeli Jewish archeologists and historians.

No. The history of the Jewish people in Jerusalem is not disputed by anyone. Jewish claims are clear and evidence is everywhere.

But you demonstrate why recognition is both needed and lacking.

 

[abi]

No. The history of the Jewish people in Jerusalem is not disputed by anyone. Jewish claims are clear and evidence is everywhere.

But you demonstrate why recognition is both needed and lacking.

I will start a thread or you can as this is way off topic.

This is about Jews and Muslims marching side by side for peace, justice and freedom. You should join them.

 

[fanger]

Let's start with an easy one. UNESCO should ensure that all documents list the Temple Mount and parts of the Old City of Jerusalem as a Jewish and Israeli historical sites, while also listing the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa and parts of the Old City of Jerusalem as Arab Palestinian historical sites.

Yes or no?

Palestinian structures are clear. They are there. You can see them. The Jewish claims remain remain in dispute, even by Israeli Jewish archeologists and historians.

No. The history of the Jewish people in Jerusalem is not disputed by anyone. Jewish claims are clear and evidence is everywhere.

But you demonstrate why recognition is both needed and lacking.

Say Uncle - Wikipedia

 

[Shusha]

peace, justice and freedom starts with mutual recognition.

 

[fanger]

Why do you demand recognition, is there still some doubt in your mind?

 

[abi]

It is odd that those demanding recognition deny the very existence of those who they ethnically cleansed and then deny their right of return based on just that.

 

[teddyearp]

"Ethnically cleansed". Haha!

 

[Coyote]

Let's start with an easy one. UNESCO should ensure that all documents list the Temple Mount and parts of the Old City of Jerusalem as a Jewish and Israeli historical sites, while also listing the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa and parts of the Old City of Jerusalem as Arab Palestinian historical sites.

Yes or no?

Palestinian structures are clear. They are there. You can see them. The Jewish claims remain remain in dispute, even by Israeli Jewish archeologists and historians.

No they realy arent in historical dispute by mainstream historians and by archaeologists.

 

[abi]

No they realy arent in historical dispute by mainstream historians and by archaeologists.

They are: Archaeology and the zionist narrative

I just started a thread for this.

 

[Coyote]

It is odd that those demanding recognition deny the very existence of those who they ethnically cleansed and then deny their right of return based on just that.

Recognition of the rights and existence of the other is necessary to any sort of peace. Do you recognize those rights?

 

[USAF 2023]

The first step would be recognition of Israel

Israel isn't recognized?

of Jewish rights and of Jewish history.

Jews have the same rights as everyone else and Jewish history is widely discussed.

Another Arab lie. The Palestinians have declared they want a NO ISRAELIS ALLOWED state

 

[Coyote]

The first step would be recognition of Israel

Israel isn't recognized?

of Jewish rights and of Jewish history.

Jews have the same rights as everyone else and Jewish history is widely discussed.

Another Arab lie. The Palestinians have declared they want a NO ISRAELIS ALLOWED state

That is not the same as no Jews.

 

[flacaltenn]

No. The history of the Jewish people in Jerusalem is not disputed by anyone. Jewish claims are clear and evidence is everywhere.

But you demonstrate why recognition is both needed and lacking.

I will start a thread or you can as this is way off topic.

This is about Jews and Muslims marching side by side for peace, justice and freedom. You should join them.

Which of the people in that march are the REPRESENTATIVES of the Palestine nation? Who speaks for ALL Palestinians? Where is the elected govt? Where are the appointed diplomats to ask to the peace table?

March all ya want. Every month. With Jews or without. It does not bring Palestine as a nation ANY CLOSER to reality until you answer the questions I posed above...

It'll likely never happen. Palestine has only had CLEAR ELECTED leadership for a couple years in the early 2000s.. And THAT ended in a Pali on Pali Civil war just a few years later when Israel GAVE THEM GAZA to fight over.

At this point, the ONLY way there will ever be a Palestine, is if it's done FOR THEM and put into Trust until they get their asses OFF the streets and organized to BE "a nation"... Quit shoving generation after generation of Pali kids out there to put themselves into danger. Either GROW up into a nation or the world will pass them by...

 

[flacaltenn]

I've asked those questions so many times and NEVER gotten an answer. It's NOT ALL about Israel. Or Zionists. The Palestinians have a real problem with anything resembling consensus or organization.. You gonna answer them abi ?? I hate talking to folks who aren't interested in "Ending it" .. THAT"S how you ACTUALLY "end it"..