This British criminal actually wanted his victim dead..so he shot him in the head...

[cnm]

The odds are thankfully that I will never have to pull my firearm for defense as I AVOID situations that would put me in that circumstance.

One wonders then why you carry it. Compensation?

 

[cnm]

you would need to show that your gun control is lowering the gun crime rate, and it isn't...it is going up...every year.......

No, one need only show the firearm homicide rate is lower than a country with less gun control. It is.

 

[2aguy]

Criminals are breaking the law to obtain and use firearms. They are usually career FELONS whom are prohibited from even touching a firearm forever. So you are just wrong, but are too stubborn to admit it.

Amazingly the criminals are not purchasing hand grenades. Know why? They are regulated and not readily available. If what you think is true, they would have them in the same numbers as they do hand guns.

The supply is the cause of deaths. The behavior is secondary...but extremely important as well.

Or do you think that Americans are just more homicidal than other nationalities?

You are, of course, wrong...

This is Sweden...of all places.....

Massive Sweden Bound Haul Of Grenades And Automatic Weapons Seized - Breitbart

A Turkish citizen, a Swede and a man from Serbia have been arrested after a massive shipment of grenades and automatic weapons destined for Sweden was uncovered.


Grenade attacks linked to migrant gang warfare have become a familiar occurrence in parts of Nordic nation. There were 30 grenade explosion in Malmö in the first half of 2015, and 25 explosions in the city in 2014.



A car containing 59 hand grenades and five machine guns, along with ammunition and magazines, was intercepted at a customs check Slovenia this week.

 

[2aguy]

you would need to show that your gun control is lowering the gun crime rate, and it isn't...it is going up...every year.......

No, one need only show the firearm homicide rate is lower than a country with less gun control. It is.

Wrong....you just don't know what you are talking about.....murder is a separate act from other gun crime....that gun crime is going up in Britain with their gun control laws is a fact....murder in Britain had been low, even before they banned guns, and it didn't go down after they banned guns...which means gun control is not effecting their gun crime rate...

 

[2aguy]

Prople shot in Liverpool, 1. People shot in December in America over the last 2 weeks over 400, (I got bored counting when I reached 400). Thank god we have gun control here, I wish all our American friends as happy a Christmas as they possibly can in a country where 17.25 million of them have guns and it makes no difference when someone with a gun decides to kill them.

Number of Deaths in 2018 | Gun Violence Archive

You keep talking about gun control as if it is working.....then you cite the Gun Violence Archive, a site caught lying over and over again.

Gun crime in Britain is going up, not down, showing that gun control is not working.....you have to hide that failure by using the murder rate...a rate that has always been low in Britain, because British criminals don't commit murder that often.....however, that is changing as the murder rate is at a 10 year high in Britain.....

Gun control takes guns away from law abiding people, not criminals...which is shown in the increasing violent crime rates in Britain..rapes, robberies.....they just aren't being murdered after the rape and robberies.....

That victims of gun crimes in the UK makes international news is a testament to how well gun laws in the UK work. You would not see English commentators mentioning gun crime in the US.

When gun crime is going up...that means that criminals are getting more guns, not fewer guns...that means that gun control is not working...... gun crime in Britain was up 42% in London, up another 16% last year.....so you are just wrong.

Someone needs to clean up London. How do you do it with less guns not more?

Same way the gun crime rate went down in America and UK in the early 2000's, investment in the local communites most affected, increased cooperation between citizens and police forces; more resources devoted to policing, not an extra gun in sight.

Gun crime didn't go down in the U.K....in fact, it went up.....what are you talking about...?

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

 

[candycorn]

That victims of gun crimes in the UK makes international news is a testament to how well gun laws in the UK work. You would not see English commentators mentioning gun crime in the US.

When gun crime is going up...that means that criminals are getting more guns, not fewer guns...that means that gun control is not working...... gun crime in Britain was up 42% in London, up another 16% last year.....so you are just wrong.

No

Gun control is supposed to lower gun crime...not increase it....so ...... Yes.

When they have 30,000 gun deaths a year perhaps you’ll have a point

They have always had a lower murder rate than we have.......but their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down, showing that gun control in Britain isn't working.....

And you added gun suicides to the total of gun deaths....in order to get the number higher, that is you lying about the issue....

Again, when they get to 30,000 deaths due to fire arms, let me know.

 

[candycorn]

Criminals are breaking the law to obtain and use firearms. They are usually career FELONS whom are prohibited from even touching a firearm forever. So you are just wrong, but are too stubborn to admit it.

Amazingly the criminals are not purchasing hand grenades. Know why? They are regulated and not readily available. If what you think is true, they would have them in the same numbers as they do hand guns.

The supply is the cause of deaths. The behavior is secondary...but extremely important as well.

Or do you think that Americans are just more homicidal than other nationalities?

You are wrong...again.....grenades are used in France, and Sweden and in Sweden they are the weapon of choice....and even in Japan, in 2006 they were used...in Japan.....you don't know what you are talking about.

No but you go with that.

The reason there are so many gun deaths here in the US is because there are so many guns. No other reason.

The reason there are virtually no grenade deaths here and around the globe is because governments (even ours) regulate them. No other reason.

If we treated firearms the way we treat grenades, you’d see the number of gun deaths go down. But that would hurt gun sales and lessen the already non-existent and overblown need for the NRA…so we can’t have that.

 

[candycorn]

Criminals are breaking the law to obtain and use firearms. They are usually career FELONS whom are prohibited from even touching a firearm forever. So you are just wrong, but are too stubborn to admit it.

Amazingly the criminals are not purchasing hand grenades. Know why? They are regulated and not readily available. If what you think is true, they would have them in the same numbers as they do hand guns.

The supply is the cause of deaths. The behavior is secondary...but extremely important as well.

Or do you think that Americans are just more homicidal than other nationalities?

You are, of course, wrong...

This is Sweden...of all places.....

Massive Sweden Bound Haul Of Grenades And Automatic Weapons Seized - Breitbart

A Turkish citizen, a Swede and a man from Serbia have been arrested after a massive shipment of grenades and automatic weapons destined for Sweden was uncovered.


Grenade attacks linked to migrant gang warfare have become a familiar occurrence in parts of Nordic nation. There were 30 grenade explosion in Malmö in the first half of 2015, and 25 explosions in the city in 2014.



A car containing 59 hand grenades and five machine guns, along with ammunition and magazines, was intercepted at a customs check Slovenia this week.

Wow, you mean someone used a grenade in Sweeden? LOL.

 

[2aguy]

When gun crime is going up...that means that criminals are getting more guns, not fewer guns...that means that gun control is not working...... gun crime in Britain was up 42% in London, up another 16% last year.....so you are just wrong.

No

Gun control is supposed to lower gun crime...not increase it....so ...... Yes.

When they have 30,000 gun deaths a year perhaps you’ll have a point

They have always had a lower murder rate than we have.......but their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down, showing that gun control in Britain isn't working.....

And you added gun suicides to the total of gun deaths....in order to get the number higher, that is you lying about the issue....

Again, when they get to 30,000 deaths due to fire arms, let me know.

Again, you are using suicides to increase your numbers.....actually gun murder in democrat party controlled cities = 11,004 in 2016.

Number of times, on average Americans use their legal guns to stop crime and save lives each year.....? 1.1 million...when criminals murdering criminals reaches 1.1 million, get back to us.

 

[candycorn]

No

Gun control is supposed to lower gun crime...not increase it....so ...... Yes.

When they have 30,000 gun deaths a year perhaps you’ll have a point

They have always had a lower murder rate than we have.......but their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down, showing that gun control in Britain isn't working.....

And you added gun suicides to the total of gun deaths....in order to get the number higher, that is you lying about the issue....

Again, when they get to 30,000 deaths due to fire arms, let me know.

Again, you are using suicides to increase your numbers.....actually gun murder in democrat party controlled cities = 11,004 in 2016.

Number of times, on average Americans use their legal guns to stop crime and save lives each year.....? 1.1 million...when criminals murdering criminals reaches 1.1 million, get back to us.

Gun deaths are gun deaths. Regardless of who pulls the trigger.
When another developed nation has 30,000 I’ll care about your cherry picked fuzzy math.

 

[2aguy]

Criminals are breaking the law to obtain and use firearms. They are usually career FELONS whom are prohibited from even touching a firearm forever. So you are just wrong, but are too stubborn to admit it.

Amazingly the criminals are not purchasing hand grenades. Know why? They are regulated and not readily available. If what you think is true, they would have them in the same numbers as they do hand guns.

The supply is the cause of deaths. The behavior is secondary...but extremely important as well.

Or do you think that Americans are just more homicidal than other nationalities?

You are wrong...again.....grenades are used in France, and Sweden and in Sweden they are the weapon of choice....and even in Japan, in 2006 they were used...in Japan.....you don't know what you are talking about.

No but you go with that.

The reason there are so many gun deaths here in the US is because there are so many guns. No other reason.

The reason there are virtually no grenade deaths here and around the globe is because governments (even ours) regulate them. No other reason.

If we treated firearms the way we treat grenades, you’d see the number of gun deaths go down. But that would hurt gun sales and lessen the already non-existent and overblown need for the NRA…so we can’t have that.

Wrong....we have so many murders because people like you support the democrat party...a party that allows violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail, over and over again...they are the ones shooting people, not the law abiding gun owners who own and carry guns for self defense.

Last I heard Grenades were illegal in Sweden, and France...yet they are used by criminals in both countries...

 

[2aguy]

Gun control is supposed to lower gun crime...not increase it....so ...... Yes.

When they have 30,000 gun deaths a year perhaps you’ll have a point

They have always had a lower murder rate than we have.......but their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down, showing that gun control in Britain isn't working.....

And you added gun suicides to the total of gun deaths....in order to get the number higher, that is you lying about the issue....

Again, when they get to 30,000 deaths due to fire arms, let me know.

Again, you are using suicides to increase your numbers.....actually gun murder in democrat party controlled cities = 11,004 in 2016.

Number of times, on average Americans use their legal guns to stop crime and save lives each year.....? 1.1 million...when criminals murdering criminals reaches 1.1 million, get back to us.

Gun deaths are gun deaths. Regardless of who pulls the trigger.
When another developed nation has 30,000 I’ll care about your cherry picked fuzzy math.

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times to save lives......every single year...... get back to us when you guys decide to stop letting violent killers out of jail over and over again.

 

[2aguy]

Gun control is supposed to lower gun crime...not increase it....so ...... Yes.

When they have 30,000 gun deaths a year perhaps you’ll have a point

They have always had a lower murder rate than we have.......but their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down, showing that gun control in Britain isn't working.....

And you added gun suicides to the total of gun deaths....in order to get the number higher, that is you lying about the issue....

Again, when they get to 30,000 deaths due to fire arms, let me know.

Again, you are using suicides to increase your numbers.....actually gun murder in democrat party controlled cities = 11,004 in 2016.

Number of times, on average Americans use their legal guns to stop crime and save lives each year.....? 1.1 million...when criminals murdering criminals reaches 1.1 million, get back to us.

Gun deaths are gun deaths. Regardless of who pulls the trigger.
When another developed nation has 30,000 I’ll care about your cherry picked fuzzy math.

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016
Gun suicide

22,938


========================

Gun Accidental death.....
2016:
495
==================

Gun murder ( 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are actual criminals, not law abiding people)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


2016--

11,004
=======================

Suicide
...even though Japan, Korea, China, all have absolute gun control for law abiding citizens...only criminals and cops can have guns.......and they have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non-gun suicide rate has been higher than our gun suicide rate for 2 years in a row.....

Suicide rates Europe v. United States

Main tables - Eurostat

May, 2014

France....14.13

Finland...14.55

Poland....15.51

Belgium....17.28

Austria....15.26


U.S.....13.00

 

[2aguy]

When gun crime is going up...that means that criminals are getting more guns, not fewer guns...that means that gun control is not working...... gun crime in Britain was up 42% in London, up another 16% last year.....so you are just wrong.

No

Gun control is supposed to lower gun crime...not increase it....so ...... Yes.

When they have 30,000 gun deaths a year perhaps you’ll have a point

They have always had a lower murder rate than we have.......but their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down, showing that gun control in Britain isn't working.....

And you added gun suicides to the total of gun deaths....in order to get the number higher, that is you lying about the issue....

Again, when they get to 30,000 deaths due to fire arms, let me know.

You can't explain why our gun murder rate went down as more Americans own and carry guns.......you can't explain why gun crime is going up in Britain after they banned and confiscated guns...

Gun murder
Of the 11,004 gun murders in this country, 70-80% of the victims are criminals, engaged in criminal activity or part of the criminal life style....and of the remaining victims....many of them are friends and family of the criminal...caught up in the criminal's lifestyle.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

Gun control is supposed to lower gun crime...not increase it....so ...... Yes.

When they have 30,000 gun deaths a year perhaps you’ll have a point

They have always had a lower murder rate than we have.......but their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down, showing that gun control in Britain isn't working.....

And you added gun suicides to the total of gun deaths....in order to get the number higher, that is you lying about the issue....

Again, when they get to 30,000 deaths due to fire arms, let me know.

Again, you are using suicides to increase your numbers.....actually gun murder in democrat party controlled cities = 11,004 in 2016.

Number of times, on average Americans use their legal guns to stop crime and save lives each year.....? 1.1 million...when criminals murdering criminals reaches 1.1 million, get back to us.

Gun deaths are gun deaths. Regardless of who pulls the trigger.
When another developed nation has 30,000 I’ll care about your cherry picked fuzzy math.

Wrong....a criminal murdering another criminal with a gun is not the same as woman shooting a democrat trying to rape her.......

 

[candycorn]

Criminals are breaking the law to obtain and use firearms. They are usually career FELONS whom are prohibited from even touching a firearm forever. So you are just wrong, but are too stubborn to admit it.

Amazingly the criminals are not purchasing hand grenades. Know why? They are regulated and not readily available. If what you think is true, they would have them in the same numbers as they do hand guns.

The supply is the cause of deaths. The behavior is secondary...but extremely important as well.

Or do you think that Americans are just more homicidal than other nationalities?

You are wrong...again.....grenades are used in France, and Sweden and in Sweden they are the weapon of choice....and even in Japan, in 2006 they were used...in Japan.....you don't know what you are talking about.

No but you go with that.

The reason there are so many gun deaths here in the US is because there are so many guns. No other reason.

The reason there are virtually no grenade deaths here and around the globe is because governments (even ours) regulate them. No other reason.

If we treated firearms the way we treat grenades, you’d see the number of gun deaths go down. But that would hurt gun sales and lessen the already non-existent and overblown need for the NRA…so we can’t have that.

Wrong....we have so many murders because people like you support the democrat party...a party that allows violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail, over and over again...they are the ones shooting people, not the law abiding gun owners who own and carry guns for self defense.

Last I heard Grenades were illegal in Sweden, and France...yet they are used by criminals in both countries...

The reason there are so many gun deaths here in the US is because there are so many guns. No other reason.

The reason there are virtually no grenade deaths here and around the globe is because governments (even ours) regulate them. No other reason.

If we treated firearms the way we treat grenades, you’d see the number of gun deaths go down. But that would hurt gun sales and lessen the already non-existent and overblown need for the NRA…so we can’t have that.

 

[candycorn]

When they have 30,000 gun deaths a year perhaps you’ll have a point

They have always had a lower murder rate than we have.......but their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down, showing that gun control in Britain isn't working.....

And you added gun suicides to the total of gun deaths....in order to get the number higher, that is you lying about the issue....

Again, when they get to 30,000 deaths due to fire arms, let me know.

Again, you are using suicides to increase your numbers.....actually gun murder in democrat party controlled cities = 11,004 in 2016.

Number of times, on average Americans use their legal guns to stop crime and save lives each year.....? 1.1 million...when criminals murdering criminals reaches 1.1 million, get back to us.

Gun deaths are gun deaths. Regardless of who pulls the trigger.
When another developed nation has 30,000 I’ll care about your cherry picked fuzzy math.

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times to save lives......every single year...... get back to us when you guys decide to stop letting violent killers out of jail over and over again.

thoroughly debunked statistic

 

[cnm]

murder in Britain had been low, even before they banned guns, and it didn't go down after they banned guns...which means gun control is not effecting their gun crime rate...

It is keeping the firearm homicide rate lower than a country without gun control.

 

[HenryBHough]

Alas.

More with the fake news.

Britain long ago outlawed guns.

Nobody could possibly have been even injured by one.

 

[2aguy]

Criminals are breaking the law to obtain and use firearms. They are usually career FELONS whom are prohibited from even touching a firearm forever. So you are just wrong, but are too stubborn to admit it.

Amazingly the criminals are not purchasing hand grenades. Know why? They are regulated and not readily available. If what you think is true, they would have them in the same numbers as they do hand guns.

The supply is the cause of deaths. The behavior is secondary...but extremely important as well.

Or do you think that Americans are just more homicidal than other nationalities?

You are wrong...again.....grenades are used in France, and Sweden and in Sweden they are the weapon of choice....and even in Japan, in 2006 they were used...in Japan.....you don't know what you are talking about.

No but you go with that.

The reason there are so many gun deaths here in the US is because there are so many guns. No other reason.

The reason there are virtually no grenade deaths here and around the globe is because governments (even ours) regulate them. No other reason.

If we treated firearms the way we treat grenades, you’d see the number of gun deaths go down. But that would hurt gun sales and lessen the already non-existent and overblown need for the NRA…so we can’t have that.

Wrong....we have so many murders because people like you support the democrat party...a party that allows violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail, over and over again...they are the ones shooting people, not the law abiding gun owners who own and carry guns for self defense.

Last I heard Grenades were illegal in Sweden, and France...yet they are used by criminals in both countries...

The reason there are so many gun deaths here in the US is because there are so many guns. No other reason.

The reason there are virtually no grenade deaths here and around the globe is because governments (even ours) regulate them. No other reason.

If we treated firearms the way we treat grenades, you’d see the number of gun deaths go down. But that would hurt gun sales and lessen the already non-existent and overblown need for the NRA…so we can’t have that.

You didn't read the story of the gangs in Sweden throwing Grenades at each other? Or the terrorists in France, on government terrorist watch lists using grenades in their attacks on the Rock concert?

Most criminals don't use grenades because they have illegal guns....grenades are simply over kill..... if gangs in Sweden can throw them at each other like they are confetti, you have no point.....

Massive Sweden Bound Haul Of Grenades And Automatic Weapons Seized - Breitbart

A Turkish citizen, a Swede and a man from Serbia have been arrested after a massive shipment of grenades and automatic weapons destined for Sweden was uncovered.


Grenade attacks linked to migrant gang warfare have become a familiar occurrence in parts of Nordic nation. There were 30 grenade explosion in Malmö in the first half of 2015, and 25 explosions in the city in 2014.



A car containing 59 hand grenades and five machine guns, along with ammunition and magazines, was intercepted at a customs check Slovenia this week.

In gun controlled Japan....grenades...

The Great Japanese Gang Wars

In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for “hand grenade”—one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members). It’s a gang war in which there have been over 45 violent incidents, including bombings, shots exchanged during high-speed car chases, and 14 deaths.
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It started with shootings and bombs being thrown, and before it ended, the two gangs were lobbing grenades and Molotov cocktails, shooting machine guns, and sometimes attacking their own men. Things really escalated in in August 2007, when a shooter from the Seido-kai assassinated the head of the Dojin-kai.
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The numbers of grenades used and seized in the war became so problematic that by April 2012, the Fukuoka Prefecture Police became the first in Japan to offer cash rewards to anyone who reported finding a hand grenade.