This British criminal actually wanted his victim dead..so he shot him in the head...

[Vagabond63]

Prople shot in Liverpool, 1. People shot in December in America over the last 2 weeks over 400, (I got bored counting when I reached 400). Thank god we have gun control here, I wish all our American friends as happy a Christmas as they possibly can in a country where 17.25 million of them have guns and it makes no difference when someone with a gun decides to kill them.

Number of Deaths in 2018 | Gun Violence Archive

You keep talking about gun control as if it is working.....then you cite the Gun Violence Archive, a site caught lying over and over again.

Gun crime in Britain is going up, not down, showing that gun control is not working.....you have to hide that failure by using the murder rate...a rate that has always been low in Britain, because British criminals don't commit murder that often.....however, that is changing as the murder rate is at a 10 year high in Britain.....

Gun control takes guns away from law abiding people, not criminals...which is shown in the increasing violent crime rates in Britain..rapes, robberies.....they just aren't being murdered after the rape and robberies.....

That victims of gun crimes in the UK makes international news is a testament to how well gun laws in the UK work. You would not see English commentators mentioning gun crime in the US.

And it also shows that UK citizens are totally powerless against their predatorial government.

So in the USA, you have a 9mm pistol or a 5.56mm rifle...the government has an M1 Abrams or an F35...who do you think would win if your government turned "predatorial"?

At least we have a piece of paper that says 2nd amendment. You can't even argue that in your socialist cesspool of a country.

OK, wave your piece of paper at the Hellfire missile that's coming for you...

 

[anotherlife]

You keep talking about gun control as if it is working.....then you cite the Gun Violence Archive, a site caught lying over and over again.

Gun crime in Britain is going up, not down, showing that gun control is not working.....you have to hide that failure by using the murder rate...a rate that has always been low in Britain, because British criminals don't commit murder that often.....however, that is changing as the murder rate is at a 10 year high in Britain.....

Gun control takes guns away from law abiding people, not criminals...which is shown in the increasing violent crime rates in Britain..rapes, robberies.....they just aren't being murdered after the rape and robberies.....

That victims of gun crimes in the UK makes international news is a testament to how well gun laws in the UK work. You would not see English commentators mentioning gun crime in the US.

And it also shows that UK citizens are totally powerless against their predatorial government.

So in the USA, you have a 9mm pistol or a 5.56mm rifle...the government has an M1 Abrams or an F35...who do you think would win if your government turned "predatorial"?

At least we have a piece of paper that says 2nd amendment. You can't even argue that in your socialist cesspool of a country.

OK, wave your piece of paper at the Hellfire missile that's coming for you...

Do you know that that piece of paper gives me the right to buy a hellfire missile for myself too? The 2nd amendment says that there can be no restrictions on american citizens buying any firearms for themselves.

 

[Vagabond63]

Prople shot in Liverpool, 1. People shot in December in America over the last 2 weeks over 400, (I got bored counting when I reached 400). Thank god we have gun control here, I wish all our American friends as happy a Christmas as they possibly can in a country where 17.25 million of them have guns and it makes no difference when someone with a gun decides to kill them.

Number of Deaths in 2018 | Gun Violence Archive

You keep talking about gun control as if it is working.....then you cite the Gun Violence Archive, a site caught lying over and over again.

Gun crime in Britain is going up, not down, showing that gun control is not working.....you have to hide that failure by using the murder rate...a rate that has always been low in Britain, because British criminals don't commit murder that often.....however, that is changing as the murder rate is at a 10 year high in Britain.....

Gun control takes guns away from law abiding people, not criminals...which is shown in the increasing violent crime rates in Britain..rapes, robberies.....they just aren't being murdered after the rape and robberies.....

That victims of gun crimes in the UK makes international news is a testament to how well gun laws in the UK work. You would not see English commentators mentioning gun crime in the US.

When gun crime is going up...that means that criminals are getting more guns, not fewer guns...that means that gun control is not working...... gun crime in Britain was up 42% in London, up another 16% last year.....so you are just wrong.

Someone needs to clean up London. How do you do it with less guns not more?

Same way the gun crime rate went down in America and UK in the early 2000's, investment in the local communites most affected, increased cooperation between citizens and police forces; more resources devoted to policing, not an extra gun in sight.

 

[Vagabond63]

That victims of gun crimes in the UK makes international news is a testament to how well gun laws in the UK work. You would not see English commentators mentioning gun crime in the US.

And it also shows that UK citizens are totally powerless against their predatorial government.

So in the USA, you have a 9mm pistol or a 5.56mm rifle...the government has an M1 Abrams or an F35...who do you think would win if your government turned "predatorial"?

At least we have a piece of paper that says 2nd amendment. You can't even argue that in your socialist cesspool of a country.

OK, wave your piece of paper at the Hellfire missile that's coming for you...

Do you know that that piece of paper gives me the right to buy a hellfire missile for myself too? The 2nd amendment says that there can be no restrictions on american citizens buying any firearms for themselves.

Good luck with that.

 

[Pilot1]

Japan has a very high suicide rate, yet very, very little gun ownership. What do you blame there? The drug used, the noose, tall building, bridges...…..

 

[candycorn]

And it also shows that UK citizens are totally powerless against their predatorial government.

So in the USA, you have a 9mm pistol or a 5.56mm rifle...the government has an M1 Abrams or an F35...who do you think would win if your government turned "predatorial"?

At least we have a piece of paper that says 2nd amendment. You can't even argue that in your socialist cesspool of a country.

OK, wave your piece of paper at the Hellfire missile that's coming for you...

Do you know that that piece of paper gives me the right to buy a hellfire missile for myself too? The 2nd amendment says that there can be no restrictions on american citizens buying any firearms for themselves.

Good luck with that.

I know, right? In one voice he says “criminals don’t obey the law” then is proud to tell us how the law allows people to buy Hellfire missiles (which isn’t trure). Amazingly the cops didn’t seize a bunch of hellfires in the last drug bust.

 

[anotherlife]

Prople shot in Liverpool, 1. People shot in December in America over the last 2 weeks over 400, (I got bored counting when I reached 400). Thank god we have gun control here, I wish all our American friends as happy a Christmas as they possibly can in a country where 17.25 million of them have guns and it makes no difference when someone with a gun decides to kill them.

Number of Deaths in 2018 | Gun Violence Archive

You keep talking about gun control as if it is working.....then you cite the Gun Violence Archive, a site caught lying over and over again.

Gun crime in Britain is going up, not down, showing that gun control is not working.....you have to hide that failure by using the murder rate...a rate that has always been low in Britain, because British criminals don't commit murder that often.....however, that is changing as the murder rate is at a 10 year high in Britain.....

Gun control takes guns away from law abiding people, not criminals...which is shown in the increasing violent crime rates in Britain..rapes, robberies.....they just aren't being murdered after the rape and robberies.....

That victims of gun crimes in the UK makes international news is a testament to how well gun laws in the UK work. You would not see English commentators mentioning gun crime in the US.

When gun crime is going up...that means that criminals are getting more guns, not fewer guns...that means that gun control is not working...... gun crime in Britain was up 42% in London, up another 16% last year.....so you are just wrong.

Someone needs to clean up London. How do you do it with less guns not more?

Same way the gun crime rate went down in America and UK in the early 2000's, investment in the local communites most affected, increased cooperation between citizens and police forces; more resources devoted to policing, not an extra gun in sight.

Good luck getting any investment with a 60 % tax rate, and a gang controlled market. Seems academic.

 

[anotherlife]

And it also shows that UK citizens are totally powerless against their predatorial government.

So in the USA, you have a 9mm pistol or a 5.56mm rifle...the government has an M1 Abrams or an F35...who do you think would win if your government turned "predatorial"?

At least we have a piece of paper that says 2nd amendment. You can't even argue that in your socialist cesspool of a country.

OK, wave your piece of paper at the Hellfire missile that's coming for you...

Do you know that that piece of paper gives me the right to buy a hellfire missile for myself too? The 2nd amendment says that there can be no restrictions on american citizens buying any firearms for themselves.

Good luck with that.

Better than nothing.

 

[anotherlife]

So in the USA, you have a 9mm pistol or a 5.56mm rifle...the government has an M1 Abrams or an F35...who do you think would win if your government turned "predatorial"?

At least we have a piece of paper that says 2nd amendment. You can't even argue that in your socialist cesspool of a country.

OK, wave your piece of paper at the Hellfire missile that's coming for you...

Do you know that that piece of paper gives me the right to buy a hellfire missile for myself too? The 2nd amendment says that there can be no restrictions on american citizens buying any firearms for themselves.

Good luck with that.

I know, right? In one voice he says “criminals don’t obey the law” then is proud to tell us how the law allows people to buy Hellfire missiles (which isn’t trure). Amazingly the cops didn’t seize a bunch of hellfires in the last drug bust.

The laws that don't allow you to buy any kind of missle are all unconstitutional. Only the NRA doesn't have unlimited cash to fight all of them.

Too many liberal assholes too few bullets.

 

[candycorn]

At least we have a piece of paper that says 2nd amendment. You can't even argue that in your socialist cesspool of a country.

OK, wave your piece of paper at the Hellfire missile that's coming for you...

Do you know that that piece of paper gives me the right to buy a hellfire missile for myself too? The 2nd amendment says that there can be no restrictions on american citizens buying any firearms for themselves.

Good luck with that.

I know, right? In one voice he says “criminals don’t obey the law” then is proud to tell us how the law allows people to buy Hellfire missiles (which isn’t trure). Amazingly the cops didn’t seize a bunch of hellfires in the last drug bust.

The laws that don't allow you to buy any kind of missle are all unconstitutional. Only the NRA doesn't have unlimited cash to fight all of them.

Incorrect.

Too many liberal assholes too few bullets.

Too many Americans you mean.

 

[anotherlife]

OK, wave your piece of paper at the Hellfire missile that's coming for you...

Do you know that that piece of paper gives me the right to buy a hellfire missile for myself too? The 2nd amendment says that there can be no restrictions on american citizens buying any firearms for themselves.

Good luck with that.

I know, right? In one voice he says “criminals don’t obey the law” then is proud to tell us how the law allows people to buy Hellfire missiles (which isn’t trure). Amazingly the cops didn’t seize a bunch of hellfires in the last drug bust.

The laws that don't allow you to buy any kind of missle are all unconstitutional. Only the NRA doesn't have unlimited cash to fight all of them.

Incorrect.

Too many liberal assholes too few bullets.

Too many Americans you mean.

What makes you think that this would be incorrect? And if the liberal progressives doodle America like they doodled Europe, then your horror statement will indeed become reality.

 

[2aguy]

You keep talking about gun control as if it is working.....then you cite the Gun Violence Archive, a site caught lying over and over again.

Gun crime in Britain is going up, not down, showing that gun control is not working.....you have to hide that failure by using the murder rate...a rate that has always been low in Britain, because British criminals don't commit murder that often.....however, that is changing as the murder rate is at a 10 year high in Britain.....

Gun control takes guns away from law abiding people, not criminals...which is shown in the increasing violent crime rates in Britain..rapes, robberies.....they just aren't being murdered after the rape and robberies.....

That victims of gun crimes in the UK makes international news is a testament to how well gun laws in the UK work. You would not see English commentators mentioning gun crime in the US.

When gun crime is going up...that means that criminals are getting more guns, not fewer guns...that means that gun control is not working...... gun crime in Britain was up 42% in London, up another 16% last year.....so you are just wrong.

No

Gun control is supposed to lower gun crime...not increase it....so ...... Yes.

When they have 30,000 gun deaths a year perhaps you’ll have a point

They have always had a lower murder rate than we have.......but their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down, showing that gun control in Britain isn't working.....

And you added gun suicides to the total of gun deaths....in order to get the number higher, that is you lying about the issue....

 

[2aguy]

Prople shot in Liverpool, 1. People shot in December in America over the last 2 weeks over 400, (I got bored counting when I reached 400). Thank god we have gun control here, I wish all our American friends as happy a Christmas as they possibly can in a country where 17.25 million of them have guns and it makes no difference when someone with a gun decides to kill them.

Number of Deaths in 2018 | Gun Violence Archive

You keep talking about gun control as if it is working.....then you cite the Gun Violence Archive, a site caught lying over and over again.

Gun crime in Britain is going up, not down, showing that gun control is not working.....you have to hide that failure by using the murder rate...a rate that has always been low in Britain, because British criminals don't commit murder that often.....however, that is changing as the murder rate is at a 10 year high in Britain.....

Gun control takes guns away from law abiding people, not criminals...which is shown in the increasing violent crime rates in Britain..rapes, robberies.....they just aren't being murdered after the rape and robberies.....

This again. As I've said before, time after time, after time, after time, our right wing government's ideological "austerity" policies have increased poverty and cut police resources to the bone, and you wonder why the crime rate goes up. Nothing at all to do with private citizens not owning guns. There is approximately 1 shotgun for every 64 people in this country, we're not exactly "defenceless". As far as rifles go, people in the UK can own anything from .22 to .50cal firearms.

Hangun offences have shown a marked decline since the 1990's until 2017; ironically shotgun offences have risen slightly over the same period. Gun control works. Firearm Crime Statistics: England & Wales - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament

As for criminals and guns, this programme, (if you can get this over in USA) gives you the facts about UK gun crime. BBC Two - Gun No 6

Gun No. 6: The untold story of Britain's deadliest illegal firearm - BBC News

Your social welfare state is consuming all of your money.....you don't have enough money to take from the productive people in your country to pay for all the free government handouts...

As more Americans own and carry guns over the last 25 years, our gun crime rate went down 75%....you can't explain that...meanwhile, you banned guns, and your gun crime rate in London went up 42% the year before and last year it went up 23%......

 

[2aguy]

Prople shot in Liverpool, 1. People shot in December in America over the last 2 weeks over 400, (I got bored counting when I reached 400). Thank god we have gun control here, I wish all our American friends as happy a Christmas as they possibly can in a country where 17.25 million of them have guns and it makes no difference when someone with a gun decides to kill them.

Number of Deaths in 2018 | Gun Violence Archive

You keep talking about gun control as if it is working.....then you cite the Gun Violence Archive, a site caught lying over and over again.

Gun crime in Britain is going up, not down, showing that gun control is not working.....you have to hide that failure by using the murder rate...a rate that has always been low in Britain, because British criminals don't commit murder that often.....however, that is changing as the murder rate is at a 10 year high in Britain.....

Gun control takes guns away from law abiding people, not criminals...which is shown in the increasing violent crime rates in Britain..rapes, robberies.....they just aren't being murdered after the rape and robberies.....

That victims of gun crimes in the UK makes international news is a testament to how well gun laws in the UK work. You would not see English commentators mentioning gun crime in the US.

And it also shows that UK citizens are totally powerless against their predatorial government.

So in the USA, you have a 9mm pistol or a 5.56mm rifle...the government has an M1 Abrams or an F35...who do you think would win if your government turned "predatorial"?

Ask the Afghanis.....where we are now leaving with all of our tanks, planes and drones....or Iraq, dittos.....you guys don't understand war, you don't understand self defense, so you really should leave it to people who know about these things....

 

[2aguy]

...I AVOID situations that would put me in that circumstance.

We're generally quite good at that over here as pulling a gun is not an option. See, you can live quite happily without having a "crutch", sorry I mean "gun" to rely on.

Yes.....as shown by your increasing violent crime...where the victims are tortured and beaten without the chance of stopping it.....and it is getting a lot worse...

 

[2aguy]

You keep talking about gun control as if it is working.....then you cite the Gun Violence Archive, a site caught lying over and over again.

Gun crime in Britain is going up, not down, showing that gun control is not working.....you have to hide that failure by using the murder rate...a rate that has always been low in Britain, because British criminals don't commit murder that often.....however, that is changing as the murder rate is at a 10 year high in Britain.....

Gun control takes guns away from law abiding people, not criminals...which is shown in the increasing violent crime rates in Britain..rapes, robberies.....they just aren't being murdered after the rape and robberies.....

That victims of gun crimes in the UK makes international news is a testament to how well gun laws in the UK work. You would not see English commentators mentioning gun crime in the US.

When gun crime is going up...that means that criminals are getting more guns, not fewer guns...that means that gun control is not working...... gun crime in Britain was up 42% in London, up another 16% last year.....so you are just wrong.

No

Gun control is supposed to lower gun crime...not increase it....so ...... Yes.

No, Gun control is supposed to control the availability of guns in civilised societies

And it doesn't.....not in any one of them.....if gun control is supposed to control the availability of guns in your society, why is your gun crime rate going up...while here, where more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate is down 49%, our gun crime rate is down 75%, and our violent crime rate is down, 72%......you can't explain that with what you believe about guns and gun crime ......

Gun control is meant to keep law abiding people unarmed....so they don't pose a threat to the government...that's it....

 

[2aguy]

Prople shot in Liverpool, 1. People shot in December in America over the last 2 weeks over 400, (I got bored counting when I reached 400). Thank god we have gun control here, I wish all our American friends as happy a Christmas as they possibly can in a country where 17.25 million of them have guns and it makes no difference when someone with a gun decides to kill them.

Number of Deaths in 2018 | Gun Violence Archive

You keep talking about gun control as if it is working.....then you cite the Gun Violence Archive, a site caught lying over and over again.

Gun crime in Britain is going up, not down, showing that gun control is not working.....you have to hide that failure by using the murder rate...a rate that has always been low in Britain, because British criminals don't commit murder that often.....however, that is changing as the murder rate is at a 10 year high in Britain.....

Gun control takes guns away from law abiding people, not criminals...which is shown in the increasing violent crime rates in Britain..rapes, robberies.....they just aren't being murdered after the rape and robberies.....

That victims of gun crimes in the UK makes international news is a testament to how well gun laws in the UK work. You would not see English commentators mentioning gun crime in the US.

When gun crime is going up...that means that criminals are getting more guns, not fewer guns...that means that gun control is not working...... gun crime in Britain was up 42% in London, up another 16% last year.....so you are just wrong.

As far s the UK is concerned, that's not necessarily the case, as the Gun No 6 documentary demonstrates, the same gun gets moved around between gangs and individuals. Gun No. 6: The untold story of Britain's deadliest illegal firearm - BBC News

The same dynamic works here in the states....gangs use the same guns over and over again. And again, gun crime in London is up 42%...how do you explain that...while gun crime in the U.S. is down 75%, as more Americans own and carry guns....17.25 million Americans carry guns for self defense...and our gun murder rate went down 49%......explain that......please try....

 

[2aguy]

Hey, MAN BUN. Ask people in Afghanistan, Vietnam, and every South American hell hole how people turn back large armies with small arms.

Guerrilla wars are almost always won with outside support; read Robert Taber's "War of the flea"

They need outside support because they start out without guns.....that isn't a problem here in the U.S.....we have the guns...we can shoot the pilots, the tank drivers and the officers already...

 

[2aguy]

Criminals are breaking the law to obtain and use firearms. They are usually career FELONS whom are prohibited from even touching a firearm forever. So you are just wrong, but are too stubborn to admit it.

Amazingly the criminals are not purchasing hand grenades. Know why? They are regulated and not readily available. If what you think is true, they would have them in the same numbers as they do hand guns.

The supply is the cause of deaths. The behavior is secondary...but extremely important as well.

Or do you think that Americans are just more homicidal than other nationalities?

You are wrong...again.....grenades are used in France, and Sweden and in Sweden they are the weapon of choice....and even in Japan, in 2006 they were used...in Japan.....you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[2aguy]

If that's the case, there's no need for "normal white law abiding citizens" to own guns is there?

I know many people who never have an interaction with crime, including myself. We live quiet, relatively safe lives and avoid bad areas. However, I also no people that have been robbed, mugged, car jacked, etc. even in their nice suburban neighborhoods.

My house has never burnt down, and I highly doubt it ever will, but I still carry Home Owner's insurance. Do you carry any form of insurance? Do you expect to have to use it? Do you want to have to use it?

Our "insurance" is gun control legislation. Shooting killings in the US for December 2018, 560. Total people killed in all England and Wales for 2018 all causes, 736. Looks like our "insurance" works quite well.

You are lying.....you know that all murder in Britain is lower than our knife murder rate......that doesn't show that your gun control laws are working since your criminals don't commit murder to begin with....you would need to show that your gun control is lowering the gun crime rate, and it isn't...it is going up...every year.......