They were wrong

[peach174]

You got any idea at all what they teach at West Point? Where Trump went to by the way.
West Point - Home

Are you high? Trump didn't go to West Point. He went to the New York Military Academy, which was a private school of privileged white kids who played dress-up and has no affiliation with the US Military.

Just got the school wrong is all.
Mistakes happen. To all of us.
I do not follow this stuff closely.
Everyone should look at the good things happening right now to this nation rather than tearing it and him down.

 

[The Derp]

Just got the school wrong is all.

And it's affiliation. You're making it sound like the New York Military Academy is a part of the US Military. But it isn't. It's a private school with a fancy name to dupe morons into thinking it's something more than an over-glorified boarding school for spoiled brats whose parents can't stand them.

Mistakes happen. To all of us.
I do not follow this stuff closely.

No shit. You wouldn't be alone in that. Most Conservatives do the same thing. Stretch that truth to fit a pre-determined narrative. Or in other words, bullshitting.

Everyone should look at the good things happening right now to this nation rather than tearing it and him down.

What good things?

 

[2aguy]

Conservatives said 70 years ago that allowing blacks to serve alongside whites was a social experiment that we shouldn't do and would harm the military...they were wrong.

Conservatives said 25 years ago that allowing gays to openly serve alongside heterosexuals was a social experiment that we shouldn't do and would harm the military...they were wrong.

Conservatives said 5 years ago that allowing women to serve in combat roles alongside men was a social experiment that we shouldn't do and would harm the military...they were wrong.

So if they've been wrong about all that, why would they be right about transgenderism in the military today?

No...racist democrats said that...actual Conservatives, like Barry Goldwater, didn't believe that, in fact, he desegregated the Arizona National Guard before Truman desegregated the Army...

No...allowing women to serve in combat units would cause problems and we are finding that out.....

Transgenders have a mental illness issue.....they are more likely than the rest of the populaton to commit sucide and to have other underlying mental issues....

 

[peach174]

HE LIED to go. He was up for the draft and got his ROTC Col to put in a Deferment saying he was enrolling in the ROTC program dumb ass.

He didn't lie about being a Rhodes Scholar, which is what he was.

HE WAS BEING DRAFTED. He lied to the Col to get a deferment and then skipped the Country, he is nothing but a draft dodger.

Then maybe President Carter should not have done this.
President Carter pardons draft dodgers - Jan 21, 1977 - HISTORY.com

 

[The Derp]

No...racist democrats said that...actual Conservatives, like Barry Goldwater, didn't believe that, in fact, he desegregated the Arizona National Guard before Truman desegregated the Army...

And then ran on opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and Reagan and the Conservatives took that and turned it into the Southern Strategy. So all those democrats pre-CRA turned into Republicans by 1981.

No...allowing women to serve in combat units would cause problems and we are finding that out.....

No they're not. So you're lying about that. The SEALS just took two female recruits. Moron.

Transgenders have a mental illness issue.....they are more likely than the rest of the populaton to commit sucide and to have other underlying mental issues....

Ummm...wrong. The group most likely to commit suicide are veterans. 20 a day.

 

[2aguy]

On the last one we haven't been in a full scale conventional war with women in combat roles yet, so the jury is still out on that one.

We won't be fighting those kinds of wars anymore. And women have been serving in combat since 2013, in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We won't be fighting those kinds of wars anymore.

Said every General up to the moment they fought those wars the same way as before....ground troops will always be needed......and this is where the biggest issue comes in...

You guys are pushing a policy that you don't even understand.............


And do any of you understand that to be classified transgender in the military, you don't even have to have the surgery, and that female soldiers will have to shower and bed down with men with a penis.......since when does the women's lobby want that?

New Army Training Tells Female Soldiers To ‘Accept’ Naked Men

The policy allows transgender soldiers to switch their “gender marker” in the Army’s personnel database without undergoing sex reassignment surgery or any other physical changes.

For a soldier to officially change gender requires only some paperwork. A military doctor or civilian medical professional must certify that the transgender person has achieved “stability in the preferred gender” and the soldier must change the gender designation on the soldier’s passport or birth certificate. From that point on, the transgender soldier is “expected to adhere to all military standards associated with their gender,” and “use the billeting, bathroom and shower facilities” of their new gender.


For example, “Vignette Four” of the training module presents the following scenario: “following her transition from male to female (which did not include sex reassignment surgery) and gender marker change in DEERS [DEERS is the military’s personnel database], a transgender Soldier begins using female barracks, bathroom and shower facilities. Because she did not undergo a surgical change, the Soldier still has male genitalia.”

How should troops respond? “Soldiers must accept living and working conditions that are often austere, primitive, and characterized by little or no privacy.”

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Watch My Genitals While I Urinate
The changes also affect drug-testing procedures. DoD Instruction 1010.16 requires urine specimens to be “collected under the direct observation of a designated individual of the same sex as the Service member providing the specimen.” To be blunt, “observers” must watch the urine sample leave the tested soldier’s body and enter the collection cup.

Under the new rules, however, “absent an exception to policy, the observer will be the same gender as the Soldier being observed (as reflected by the gender marker in DEERS).” The change is justified by interpreting the term “sex” in existing drug testing regulations to mean the same thing as “gender.” Lest there be any confusion: the policy means that an 18-year-old female soldier may be forced to drop her pants and urinate in a cup in front of an anatomically male non-commissioned officer who has a female “gender marker,” and vice versa.

 

[2aguy]

No...racist democrats said that...actual Conservatives, like Barry Goldwater, didn't believe that, in fact, he desegregated the Arizona National Guard before Truman desegregated the Army...

And then ran on opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and Reagan and the Conservatives took that and turned it into the Southern Strategy. So all those democrats pre-CRA turned into Republicans by 1981.

No...allowing women to serve in combat units would cause problems and we are finding that out.....

No they're not. So you're lying about that. The SEALS just took two female recruits. Moron.

Transgenders have a mental illness issue.....they are more likely than the rest of the populaton to commit sucide and to have other underlying mental issues....

Ummm...wrong. The group most likely to commit suicide are veterans. 20 a day.

You don't know anything about the 1964 act and why Goldwater opposed it...or the history of the Civil Rights movement...

And the lie of the Southern Strategy was about Nixon, not Reagan....and it is a lie told by the left.....

Lyndon Johnson opposed every civil rights proposal considered in his first 20 years as lawmaker

"He had been a congressman, beginning in 1937, for eleven years, and for eleven years he had voted against every civil rights bill –

against not only legislation aimed at ending the poll tax and segregation in the armed services but even against legislation aimed at ending lynching: a one hundred percent record," Caro wrote.


"Running for the Senate in 1948, he had assailed President" Harry "Truman’s entire civil rights program (‘an effort to set up a police state’)…Until 1957, in the Senate, as in the House, his record – by that time a twenty-year record – against civil rights had been consistent," Caro wrote.

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The Party of Civil Rights

The Party of Civil Rights

The depth of Johnson’s prior opposition to civil-rights reform must be digested in some detail to be properly appreciated.

In the House, he did not represent a particularly segregationist constituency (it “made up for being less intensely segregationist than the rest of the South by being more intensely anti-Communist,” as the New York Times put it), but Johnson was practically antebellum in his views.

Never mind civil rights or voting rights: In Congress, Johnson had consistently and repeatedly voted against legislation to protect black Americans from lynching.


As a leader in the Senate, Johnson did his best to cripple the Civil Rights Act of 1957; not having votes sufficient to stop it, he managed to reduce it to an act of mere symbolism by excising the enforcement provisions before sending it to the desk of President Eisenhower.


Johnson’s Democratic colleague Strom Thurmond nonetheless went to the trouble of staging the longest filibuster in history up to that point, speaking for 24 hours in a futile attempt to block the bill. The reformers came back in 1960 with an act to remedy the deficiencies of the 1957 act, and Johnson’s Senate Democrats again staged a record-setting filibuster.

In both cases, the “master of the Senate” petitioned the northeastern Kennedy liberals to credit him for having seen to the law’s passage while at the same time boasting to southern Democrats that he had taken the teeth out of the legislation.



Johnson would later explain his thinking thus: “These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days, and that’s a problem for us, since they’ve got something now they never had before: the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this — we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”

Read more at: The Party of Civil Rights
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Goldwater.....

Barry M. Goldwater: The Most Consequential Loser in American Politics


Goldwater treated all people the same. As a private citizen, he flew mercy missions to Navaho reservations, never asking for recognition or accepting payment. He felt that “the red man seemed as much—if not more—a part of Arizona and America as any white or black person.”[20] Moreover, a few weeks after Goldwater was discharged from the Army in November 1945, Democratic Arizona Governor Sidney Preston Osborn asked him to organize the Arizona Air National Guard. One of Goldwater’s first recommendations, soon approved, was to desegregate the unit. Goldwater’s integration of the state’s Air National Guard took place more than two years before President Harry Truman integrated the U.S. armed forces.
Goldwater was an early member of the Arizona chapters of both the NAACP and the National Urban League, even making up the latter’s operating deficit when it was getting started. Later as a Senator, he desegregated the Senate cafeteria in 1953, demanding that his black legislative assistant, Kathrine Maxwell, be served along with every other Senate employee after learning she had been denied service.
In the mid-1970s, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, investigating improper operations of the intelligence community in the United States, proposed that transcripts of the FBI tapes about Martin Luther King Jr.’s alleged indiscretions be published. An outraged Goldwater declared he would not be a party to destroying King’s reputation and strode out of the committee room. A fellow Senator recalled that Goldwater’s protest “injected some common sense into the proceedings,” and the electronic surveillance transcripts were not released.[21]
That his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was based on constitutional grounds and not political considerations was underscored in the final week of the fall campaign.
Speaking in Columbia, South Carolina, Goldwater condemned segregation and declared that government must treat “all men as equal in the arena of law and civil order.”[22] He pledged if elected President to implement all provisions of the act. His forthright pro-civil rights speech was televised on 87 stations throughout the South.
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NPR Wrong on Goldwater '64, Civil Rights, Say 4 Who Were There
As for the Republican nominee's position on the Civil Rights Act, Goldwater had said he would vote for passage if Section II on public accommodations and Section VII on equal employment opportunity were removed. With his view reinforced by a detailed memorandum from Phoenix lawyer and future Chief Justice William Rehnquist, Goldwater felt these sections were unconstitutional, were unenforceable without a federal police force, and would lead to the creation of racial quotas and affirmative action.

"He was absolutely right about [the two sections of the Civil Rights Act] and they did lead to precisely what Goldwater and most conservatives were afraid of," said Tom Winter, then executive editor of Human Events, who would join Ryskind as its co-owner a year later. As for the "extremism in the defense of liberty" speech, Winter recalled watching it from a San Francisco restaurant "and cheering it because it was clearly about freedom and fighting communism. I certainly didn't think it had anything to do with race."
Urban Legend: Goldwater Against Civil Rights



More specifically, Goldwater had problems with title II and title VII of the 1964 bill. He felt that constitutionally the federal government had no legal right to interfere in who people hired, fired; or to whom they sold their products, goods and services. He felt that “power” laid in the various states, and with the people. He was a strong advocate of the tenth amendment. Goldwater’s constitutional stance did not mean he agreed with the segregation and racial discrimination practiced in the South. To the contrary, he fought against these kinds of racial divides in his own state of Arizona. He supported the integration of the Arizona National guard and Phoenix public schools.[4] Goldwater was, also, a member of the NAACP and the Urban League.[5]

His personal feelings about discrimination are enshrined in the congressional record where he states, “I am unalterably opposed to discrimination or segregation on the basis of race, color, or creed or on any other basis; not only my words, but more importantly my actions through years have repeatedly demonstrated the sincerity of my feeling in this regard…”[6]. And, he would continued to holdfast to his strongly felt convictions that constitutionally the federal government was limited in what it could do, believing that the amoral actions of those perpetuating discrimination and segregation would have to be judged by those in that community. Eventually, the states government and local communities would come to pressure people to change their minds. Goldwater’s view was that the civil disobedience by private citizens against those business establishments was more preferable than intervention by the feds. He, optimistically, believed that racial intolerance would soon buckle under the economic and societal pressure.

 

[2aguy]

No...racist democrats said that...actual Conservatives, like Barry Goldwater, didn't believe that, in fact, he desegregated the Arizona National Guard before Truman desegregated the Army...

And then ran on opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and Reagan and the Conservatives took that and turned it into the Southern Strategy. So all those democrats pre-CRA turned into Republicans by 1981.

No...allowing women to serve in combat units would cause problems and we are finding that out.....

No they're not. So you're lying about that. The SEALS just took two female recruits. Moron.

Transgenders have a mental illness issue.....they are more likely than the rest of the populaton to commit sucide and to have other underlying mental issues....

Ummm...wrong. The group most likely to commit suicide are veterans. 20 a day.

Yeah......we'll see how long those female SEALs last.......it isn't just getting past the initial training dipshit.......it is all about actual service, day in, day out.......

 

[peach174]

Just got the school wrong is all.

And it's affiliation. You're making it sound like the New York Military Academy is a part of the US Military. But it isn't. It's a private school with a fancy name to dupe morons into thinking it's something more than an over-glorified boarding school for spoiled brats whose parents can't stand them.

Mistakes happen. To all of us.
I do not follow this stuff closely.

No shit. You wouldn't be alone in that. Most Conservatives do the same thing. Stretch that truth to fit a pre-determined narrative. Or in other words, bullshitting.

Everyone should look at the good things happening right now to this nation rather than tearing it and him down.

What good things?

No it was a plain old mistake is all.
Stop looking for things that are not there.

What good thi

Just got the school wrong is all.

And it's affiliation. You're making it sound like the New York Military Academy is a part of the US Military. But it isn't. It's a private school with a fancy name to dupe morons into thinking it's something more than an over-glorified boarding school for spoiled brats whose parents can't stand them.

Mistakes happen. To all of us.
I do not follow this stuff closely.

No shit. You wouldn't be alone in that. Most Conservatives do the same thing. Stretch that truth to fit a pre-determined narrative. Or in other words, bullshitting.

Everyone should look at the good things happening right now to this nation rather than tearing it and him down.

What good things?

What good things?

Stock market is strong.
Lowered taxes on businesses and rolled back Federal regulations
800,000 new jobs since January.
Unleashed our energy
Bringing back business companies.
Did budget cuts.
Dismantling most of Obamas executive orders.

 

[The Derp]

No it was a plain old mistake is all.
Stop looking for things that are not there.

I am not going to assume stupidity for malicious intent. Like I said, I've been down this road before with Conservatives. With them, you always have to assume malicious intent because they're malicious people. After all, stupid people wouldn't want to take health care away from 15,000,000. But malicious people sure would.

Stock market is strong.

Is it? It's the same stock market as it was under Obama when Conservatives were saying it was all illusory and over-inflated because of QE. They also said the market isn't any indication of anything. Of course, they said that when a black Democrat was President. How things change as soon as a white Republican gets into office!

Lowered taxes on businesses and rolled back Federal regulations

What taxes did he lower? And the regulations he rolled back were harming you, how?

800,000 new jobs since January.

Yes, Obama set him up for success. However, his job totals in February and March were worse than they were during Obama. Also, wages have risen at a much slower rate than they did when Obama was President. Much slower. So great, Trump's adding jobs. Too bad they're all shitty jobs that pay little.

Unleashed our energy

Means nothing. This is an empty platitude. The price of oil is still below $50/barrel. That's not because of anything Trump did. That's all OPEC.

Bringing back business companies.

No, he's lost companies. Like the Carrier jobs he pretended to save. Turns out they're all going down to Mexico after all.

Did budget cuts.

Impossible because he hasn't produced a budget, and Conservatives in DC haven't voted for one yet.

Dismantling most of Obamas executive orders.

And doing his own.

 

[The Derp]

Yeah......we'll see how long those female SEALs last.......it isn't just getting past the initial training dipshit.......it is all about actual service, day in, day out.......

Just keep movin' those goalposts!

 

[miketx]

You lost, get over it

As of today, the Pentagon says the trans policy hasn't changed.

So why did Trump tweet that? Probably to distract from the mess that is Obamacare repeal.

No matter how many times you are told, you keep asking the same question, playing the same tired game.

Derp: "why"
ans: "This blah blah"
30 minutes later
Derp: "Why"
.......

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Just got the school wrong is all.

And it's affiliation. You're making it sound like the New York Military Academy is a part of the US Military. But it isn't. It's a private school with a fancy name to dupe morons into thinking it's something more than an over-glorified boarding school for spoiled brats whose parents can't stand them.

Mistakes happen. To all of us.
I do not follow this stuff closely.

No shit. You wouldn't be alone in that. Most Conservatives do the same thing. Stretch that truth to fit a pre-determined narrative. Or in other words, bullshitting.

Everyone should look at the good things happening right now to this nation rather than tearing it and him down.

What good things?

No it was a plain old mistake is all.
Stop looking for things that are not there.

What good thi

Just got the school wrong is all.

And it's affiliation. You're making it sound like the New York Military Academy is a part of the US Military. But it isn't. It's a private school with a fancy name to dupe morons into thinking it's something more than an over-glorified boarding school for spoiled brats whose parents can't stand them.

Mistakes happen. To all of us.
I do not follow this stuff closely.

No shit. You wouldn't be alone in that. Most Conservatives do the same thing. Stretch that truth to fit a pre-determined narrative. Or in other words, bullshitting.

Everyone should look at the good things happening right now to this nation rather than tearing it and him down.

What good things?

What good things?

Stock market is strong.
Lowered taxes on businesses and rolled back Federal regulations
800,000 new jobs since January.
Unleashed our energy
Bringing back business companies.
Did budget cuts.
Dismantling most of Obamas executive orders.

Bbbut RUSSIA and transgenders!!!

 

[Julielikespolitics]

Trump ain't in the foxhole with a grunt.

And never has been and never will be. He skipped out on military service. What was the reason? Diarrhea or something?

He is the Commander-in-Chief, though.

Donald Trump’s Draft Deferments: Four for College, One for Bad Feet
He had a medical condition, whether it was major or not it was enough for the military not to send him overseas to fight. The military does not want to send any more soldiers who are incapable of efficiently fighting due to a medical condition or due to displeasure of a war (Like the masses who served in Vietnam).
Also read down to the part where other presidents, not just the one that people hate right now, found ways not to serve.
Also, do liberals not push for education through college and or graduate school? So why are those same people attacking someone who did that same thing even if he did not end up serving because of it?

 

[The Derp]

Also read down to the part where other presidents, not just the one that people hate right now, found ways not to serve.

There is only one President, Trump. The others have no bearing on him.

Also, do liberals not push for education through college and or graduate school? So why are those same people attacking someone who did that same thing even if he did not end up serving because of it?

The problem is that Trump postures like he served, and his enablers on this board and others also posture like they served. The reason they do that is because they know they have no credibility.

You all were wrong about racial integration in the military.
You all were wrong about allowing openly gay soldiers to serve.
You all were wrong about women serving in combat roles.

So why would you be right now?

 

[The Derp]

No matter how many times you are told, you keep asking the same question, playing the same tired game.
Derp: "why"
ans: "This blah blah"
30 minutes later
Derp: "Why".......

No, you guys don't answer why. Instead, you spit nonsense and posture. But none of you actually answer the question.

 

[The Derp]

You don't know anything about the 1964 act and why Goldwater opposed it...or the history of the Civil Rights movement...

We know why he opposed it; he opposed Civil Rights. He thought that the government shouldn't involve itself in discrimination. And he rallied racists to his side.

And the lie of the Southern Strategy was about Nixon, not Reagan....and it is a lie told by the left.....

Nixon started it, sure. But Reagan's the one who put it to greatest effect. This was made clear when he launched his 1980 run in Philadelphia, MS, home to one of the worst Civil Rights-era crimes in history without bothering to address it. Then he took that racist garbage and spun it around into myths like the "welfare queen", when the real welfare queens were the wealthy people and corporations whose profits we subsidize through income-based programs their workers qualify for. Conservatives haven't looked back since.

Lyndon Johnson opposed every civil rights proposal considered in his first 20 years as lawmaker

So what? In the end, he is the one who muscled it through Congress. He came around on Civil Rights. We're still waiting for you guys to catch up with the rest of 1964.

That his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was based on constitutional grounds and not political considerations was underscored in the final week of the fall campaign.

LOL! Of course it was based on political considerations. Goldwater opposed Civil Rights as a matter of principle. This is bullshit and you know it.

 

[Julielikespolitics]

Also read down to the part where other presidents, not just the one that people hate right now, found ways not to serve.

There is only one President, Trump. The others have no bearing on him.

Also, do liberals not push for education through college and or graduate school? So why are those same people attacking someone who did that same thing even if he did not end up serving because of it?

The problem is that Trump postures like he served, and his enablers on this board and others also posture like they served. The reason they do that is because they know they have no credibility.

You all were wrong about racial integration in the military.
You all were wrong about allowing openly gay soldiers to serve.
You all were wrong about women serving in combat roles.

So why would you be right now?

But there were other presidents that did not serve and had to carry them selves in military situations. Obama did not serve and he had to make military decisions on things like pulling troops out of Iraq or tracking down BinLadin. Trump may not have the correct demeanor but we live in a tumultuous time and military action may need to be taken against North Korea.
Also, since you are bringing the transgender ban into this, the ban in put in place in a poor time but the people who helped maked that decision have credibility, all of them hold elected office or were put in place by an elected official so clearly they deserv eto be there in some capacity.

 

[The Derp]

But there were other presidents that did not serve and had to carry them selves in military situations.

Boarding school dress-up and late-night corn-holing isn't carrying yourself in a military situation. It's what spoiled rich kids do when they piss off their equally spoiled parents.

Obama did not serve and he had to make military decisions on things like pulling troops out of Iraq or tracking down BinLadin.

Saying you are kicking trans people out of the military they volunteered to serve isn't making a military decision. It's making a distraction from the failure of repealing Obamacare. That way, we all talk about this as Conservatives in the Senate vote to take health care away from tens of millions of people, and spike costs for everyone else.

Trump may not have the correct demeanor but we live in a tumultuous time and military action may need to be taken against North Korea.

Bullshit. And what does that have to do with trans people? Nothing.

Also, since you are bringing the transgender ban into this, the ban in put in place in a poor time but the people who helped maked that decision have credibility, all of them hold elected office or were put in place by an elected official so clearly they deserv eto be there in some capacity.

They don't have any credibility. Trump just made this pronouncement on Twitter. The Defense Department was caught completely off guard. Which makes me think it was done to distract from something else. Now, what could Trump want to distract from? Obamacare repeal failure and the Russia probe.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I notice you quit defending the draft dodger Clinton.