Maybe because there is evidence?For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?
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Maybe because there is evidence?For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?
that's my kryptonite, death.what is your kryptonite?what is it you are proposing exactly? Did ice melt on its own in the past? If so, why do you think we cause ice to melt?My $0.02:....but it isn't the climate.
1.When dealing with individuals for whom reality is merely a suggestion, there is always the question of….dare I say…..mental illness.
If such is determined to be the case, well…..sometimes mandatory confinement is appropriate.
Hence….the application of the term ‘Greeniac.’
2. No matter how often data and experience disproves the fraudulent science of environmentalism, we find a sizable portion of the electorate clings to view that global warming is real, and that efforts such as no longer eating hamburger will alleviate the impending crisis. Reminding these….victims….that real science is base on experimentation is to no avail.
3. The individuals in question have developed the ability to ignore facts that obviate their …delusions. “Environmentalists and their political allies attribute the recent increase in deadly forest fires to global warming. However, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service, forest fires reached their peak in the 1930s and have declined by 80% since then. Environmentalists hide the earlier data and make their case for the effects of global warming by showing the public and policymakers data from 1980 that shows an increase in forest fires.”
Scientists: Dishonest or Afraid?
4. “Climate scientists claim that rising sea levels are caused by man-made global warming. Historical data from the tide gauge in Lower Manhattan shows that sea levels have been rising from about the time when Abraham Lincoln was president to now. … sea levels have been rising for about 20,000 years. …. anthropologists believe that when the sea level was very low people were able to walk from Siberia to North America.” Ibid.
5. “Hot weather is often claimed to be a result of man-made climate change. Heller presents data showing the number of days in Waverly, Ohio, above 90 degrees. In 1895, there were 73 days above 90 degrees. In 1936, there were 82 days above 90 degrees. Since the 1930s, there has been a downward trend in the number of days above 90 degrees. If climatologists hide data from earlier years and started at 1955, they show an increase in the number of above 90-degree days from eight or nine to 30 or 40. Thus, to deceive us into thinking the climate is getting hotter, environmentalists have selected a starting date that fits their agenda.” Ibid.
6. This aberrant behavior that we see in committed greeniacs is not unknown.
“Perseveration is the contextually inappropriate and unintentional repetition of a response or behavioral unit. In schizophrenia, perseveration may take a variety of forms. These can be conceptualized as varying manifestations of an underlying neurocognitive deficit.
Perseveration in Schizophrenia - Oxford Journals
https://academic.oup.com › schizophreniabulletin › article-pdf
An immediate intervention is required!!!
- Climate changes. It always has and always will. In the past, NYC was under 100s of feet of ice. That has changed.
- Glaciers around the world are generally retreating, pointing to a global temperature rise.
- The rising temperatures may be natural or man-made but it doesn't matter, the effects will be the same.
- Anything we do to mitigate rising temperatures will have the same success, regardless of the cause.
- If we make reasonable efforts to make the world energy use more efficient and rising temperatures are real, we may mitigate its' worst effects, if rising temperatures are not real, we have made the world a richer place.
And if you believe we cause ice to melt, how?
I can melt ice with my eyes....it's one of my superpowers….it takes a few minutes.
I could tell you....but then I'd have to kill you.
how would the sea levels change? all of the ice in the arctic is sea ice except greenland. and Antarctica isn't melting in your lifetime. so again, what is your concern about ice? and why is it important to worry about?I care that sea levels may change. Mankind will certainly survive whatever flooding comes but men may die in the millions. Aside from the humanitarian issue, I don't want Floridians to migrate to my state before we can build a wall. On the other hand I may get some beachfront property. Winners and losers.you care that it's melting? why? it's been melting since the world was covered in it. we exist now, and you're concerned it's melting? you want us dead under ice? you're certainly very confused. Not sure why ice is so important in your life. BTW, it isn't melting in the arctic or antarctic.
there's evidence? where?Maybe because there is evidence?For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?
Maybe because there is evidence?For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?
Maybe because there is evidence?For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?
It is all "theoretical", models all the way down.
Yes it is warming, but CO2 is obviously NOT the driver of it. Heck using Trenberth's own energy budget math, CO2 CAN'T cause global warming anyway. The amount of energy leaving the planet always exceeds the theoretical warm forcing of CO2, ALWAYS!
The real problem are ignorant people pushing a modeling construct, that doesn't exist in Nature at all. Some warmists here have always ignored the hard evidence because they are ignorant and stupid.
The real problem was the king of england killing people who did not refer to him as god....but it isn't the climate.
1.When dealing with individuals for whom reality is merely a suggestion, there is always the question of….dare I say…..mental illness.
If such is determined to be the case, well…..sometimes mandatory confinement is appropriate.
Hence….the application of the term ‘Greeniac.’
2. No matter how often data and experience disproves the fraudulent science of environmentalism, we find a sizable portion of the electorate clings to view that global warming is real, and that efforts such as no longer eating hamburger will alleviate the impending crisis. Reminding these….victims….that real science is base on experimentation is to no avail.
3. The individuals in question have developed the ability to ignore facts that obviate their …delusions. “Environmentalists and their political allies attribute the recent increase in deadly forest fires to global warming. However, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service, forest fires reached their peak in the 1930s and have declined by 80% since then. Environmentalists hide the earlier data and make their case for the effects of global warming by showing the public and policymakers data from 1980 that shows an increase in forest fires.”
Scientists: Dishonest or Afraid?
4. “Climate scientists claim that rising sea levels are caused by man-made global warming. Historical data from the tide gauge in Lower Manhattan shows that sea levels have been rising from about the time when Abraham Lincoln was president to now. … sea levels have been rising for about 20,000 years. …. anthropologists believe that when the sea level was very low people were able to walk from Siberia to North America.” Ibid.
5. “Hot weather is often claimed to be a result of man-made climate change. Heller presents data showing the number of days in Waverly, Ohio, above 90 degrees. In 1895, there were 73 days above 90 degrees. In 1936, there were 82 days above 90 degrees. Since the 1930s, there has been a downward trend in the number of days above 90 degrees. If climatologists hide data from earlier years and started at 1955, they show an increase in the number of above 90-degree days from eight or nine to 30 or 40. Thus, to deceive us into thinking the climate is getting hotter, environmentalists have selected a starting date that fits their agenda.” Ibid.
6. This aberrant behavior that we see in committed greeniacs is not unknown.
“Perseveration is the contextually inappropriate and unintentional repetition of a response or behavioral unit. In schizophrenia, perseveration may take a variety of forms. These can be conceptualized as varying manifestations of an underlying neurocognitive deficit.
Perseveration in Schizophrenia - Oxford Journals
https://academic.oup.com › schizophreniabulletin › article-pdf
An immediate intervention is required!!!
The real problem was the king of england killing people who did not refer to him as god....but it isn't the climate.
1.When dealing with individuals for whom reality is merely a suggestion, there is always the question of….dare I say…..mental illness.
If such is determined to be the case, well…..sometimes mandatory confinement is appropriate.
Hence….the application of the term ‘Greeniac.’
2. No matter how often data and experience disproves the fraudulent science of environmentalism, we find a sizable portion of the electorate clings to view that global warming is real, and that efforts such as no longer eating hamburger will alleviate the impending crisis. Reminding these….victims….that real science is base on experimentation is to no avail.
3. The individuals in question have developed the ability to ignore facts that obviate their …delusions. “Environmentalists and their political allies attribute the recent increase in deadly forest fires to global warming. However, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service, forest fires reached their peak in the 1930s and have declined by 80% since then. Environmentalists hide the earlier data and make their case for the effects of global warming by showing the public and policymakers data from 1980 that shows an increase in forest fires.”
Scientists: Dishonest or Afraid?
4. “Climate scientists claim that rising sea levels are caused by man-made global warming. Historical data from the tide gauge in Lower Manhattan shows that sea levels have been rising from about the time when Abraham Lincoln was president to now. … sea levels have been rising for about 20,000 years. …. anthropologists believe that when the sea level was very low people were able to walk from Siberia to North America.” Ibid.
5. “Hot weather is often claimed to be a result of man-made climate change. Heller presents data showing the number of days in Waverly, Ohio, above 90 degrees. In 1895, there were 73 days above 90 degrees. In 1936, there were 82 days above 90 degrees. Since the 1930s, there has been a downward trend in the number of days above 90 degrees. If climatologists hide data from earlier years and started at 1955, they show an increase in the number of above 90-degree days from eight or nine to 30 or 40. Thus, to deceive us into thinking the climate is getting hotter, environmentalists have selected a starting date that fits their agenda.” Ibid.
6. This aberrant behavior that we see in committed greeniacs is not unknown.
“Perseveration is the contextually inappropriate and unintentional repetition of a response or behavioral unit. In schizophrenia, perseveration may take a variety of forms. These can be conceptualized as varying manifestations of an underlying neurocognitive deficit.
Perseveration in Schizophrenia - Oxford Journals
https://academic.oup.com › schizophreniabulletin › article-pdf
An immediate intervention is required!!!
The climate has been changing for 5 billion years
No I am not your dadThe real problem was the king of england killing people who did not refer to him as god....but it isn't the climate.
1.When dealing with individuals for whom reality is merely a suggestion, there is always the question of….dare I say…..mental illness.
If such is determined to be the case, well…..sometimes mandatory confinement is appropriate.
Hence….the application of the term ‘Greeniac.’
2. No matter how often data and experience disproves the fraudulent science of environmentalism, we find a sizable portion of the electorate clings to view that global warming is real, and that efforts such as no longer eating hamburger will alleviate the impending crisis. Reminding these….victims….that real science is base on experimentation is to no avail.
3. The individuals in question have developed the ability to ignore facts that obviate their …delusions. “Environmentalists and their political allies attribute the recent increase in deadly forest fires to global warming. However, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service, forest fires reached their peak in the 1930s and have declined by 80% since then. Environmentalists hide the earlier data and make their case for the effects of global warming by showing the public and policymakers data from 1980 that shows an increase in forest fires.”
Scientists: Dishonest or Afraid?
4. “Climate scientists claim that rising sea levels are caused by man-made global warming. Historical data from the tide gauge in Lower Manhattan shows that sea levels have been rising from about the time when Abraham Lincoln was president to now. … sea levels have been rising for about 20,000 years. …. anthropologists believe that when the sea level was very low people were able to walk from Siberia to North America.” Ibid.
5. “Hot weather is often claimed to be a result of man-made climate change. Heller presents data showing the number of days in Waverly, Ohio, above 90 degrees. In 1895, there were 73 days above 90 degrees. In 1936, there were 82 days above 90 degrees. Since the 1930s, there has been a downward trend in the number of days above 90 degrees. If climatologists hide data from earlier years and started at 1955, they show an increase in the number of above 90-degree days from eight or nine to 30 or 40. Thus, to deceive us into thinking the climate is getting hotter, environmentalists have selected a starting date that fits their agenda.” Ibid.
6. This aberrant behavior that we see in committed greeniacs is not unknown.
“Perseveration is the contextually inappropriate and unintentional repetition of a response or behavioral unit. In schizophrenia, perseveration may take a variety of forms. These can be conceptualized as varying manifestations of an underlying neurocognitive deficit.
Perseveration in Schizophrenia - Oxford Journals
https://academic.oup.com › schizophreniabulletin › article-pdf
An immediate intervention is required!!!
The climate has been changing for 5 billion years
Are you the same guy from Wheel of Fortune who said “is there an ‘f’ as in pharaoh?”
These fools don't realize that climate change = weather. That's ALL you need to know.....but it isn't the climate.
1.When dealing with individuals for whom reality is merely a suggestion, there is always the question of….dare I say…..mental illness.
If such is determined to be the case, well…..sometimes mandatory confinement is appropriate.
Hence….the application of the term ‘Greeniac.’
2. No matter how often data and experience disproves the fraudulent science of environmentalism, we find a sizable portion of the electorate clings to view that global warming is real, and that efforts such as no longer eating hamburger will alleviate the impending crisis. Reminding these….victims….that real science is base on experimentation is to no avail.
3. The individuals in question have developed the ability to ignore facts that obviate their …delusions. “Environmentalists and their political allies attribute the recent increase in deadly forest fires to global warming. However, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service, forest fires reached their peak in the 1930s and have declined by 80% since then. Environmentalists hide the earlier data and make their case for the effects of global warming by showing the public and policymakers data from 1980 that shows an increase in forest fires.”
Scientists: Dishonest or Afraid?
4. “Climate scientists claim that rising sea levels are caused by man-made global warming. Historical data from the tide gauge in Lower Manhattan shows that sea levels have been rising from about the time when Abraham Lincoln was president to now. … sea levels have been rising for about 20,000 years. …. anthropologists believe that when the sea level was very low people were able to walk from Siberia to North America.” Ibid.
5. “Hot weather is often claimed to be a result of man-made climate change. Heller presents data showing the number of days in Waverly, Ohio, above 90 degrees. In 1895, there were 73 days above 90 degrees. In 1936, there were 82 days above 90 degrees. Since the 1930s, there has been a downward trend in the number of days above 90 degrees. If climatologists hide data from earlier years and started at 1955, they show an increase in the number of above 90-degree days from eight or nine to 30 or 40. Thus, to deceive us into thinking the climate is getting hotter, environmentalists have selected a starting date that fits their agenda.” Ibid.
6. This aberrant behavior that we see in committed greeniacs is not unknown.
“Perseveration is the contextually inappropriate and unintentional repetition of a response or behavioral unit. In schizophrenia, perseveration may take a variety of forms. These can be conceptualized as varying manifestations of an underlying neurocognitive deficit.
Perseveration in Schizophrenia - Oxford Journals
https://academic.oup.com › schizophreniabulletin › article-pdf
An immediate intervention is required!!!
Why do you want to fight natural warming?Alang1216 writes from post 6
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- Climate changes. It always has and always will. In the past, NYC was under 100s of feet of ice. That has changed.
- Glaciers around the world are generally retreating, pointing to a global temperature rise.
- The rising temperatures may be natural or man-made but it doesn't matter, the effects will be the same.
- Anything we do to mitigate rising temperatures will have the same success, regardless of the cause.
- If we make reasonable efforts to make the world energy use more efficient and rising temperatures are real, we may mitigate its' worst effects, if rising temperatures are not real, we have made the world a richer place.
My line by line reply:
1) Everyone knows Climate changes, so why do warmists keep saying skeptics are climate change deniers, they do it because it is about politics, trying to force a stupid socialism program onto the people in the pretended effort to combat a non existent problem. You saw what Political Chick posted about what various people say, Eden Offenhoffer was very specific about what they really want to do.
Quote from post 3:
“Ottmar Edenhofer, lead author of the IPCC's fourth summary report released in 2007, speaking in 2010 advised: "One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.
Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world's wealth."
Quote from Post 5:
"Christine Stewart, Canada's former Minister of the Environment said: "No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits. ... Climate change (provides) the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world."
You going to continue to ignore them Alang?
2) Generally they are in retreat, but doesn't matter since CO2 isn't causing it. However warmists routinely ignore hard evidence that glaciers over all are growing since the beginning of the Negative insolation around 3,000 B.C.
Mt. Logan (#2 tallest Mt. in North America) most of the glaciers there is only 300 years old and growing, there are some fragments of 8,000 year old ice there that survived the interglacial period.
A Glacier in Northern Greenland didn't exist 6,000 years ago, the Hans Tausen Ice cap in Peary land.
Mt. Churchill in east Alaska, was free of ice before 500 A.D, it is now about 1,500 foot thick by 40 miles long.
Fremont Glacier in Wyoming is not even 300 year old, it is at 43 degrees north, a disturbing sign that the interglacial phase is decaying into a new Glaciation phase.
3) The warming phase is short and dominantly natural, that is what EMPIRICAL data tells us. It is good for the life of the planet too with the of increase CO2 in the atmosphere, life is responding by increasing productivity with more land becoming green.
4) Why do you want to fight natural warming? which will end soon when the forces of Nature changes to a cooling phase. This is what bothers me is the idea that a warmer Earth is bad for us when it is actually GOOD for us, heck we lived through the predicted year 2100 modeling temperature guesses easily just 8,000 years ago when the world in general was around 2-3C warmer than now. It was even warmer in the previous interglacial period Eemian when it was a LOT warmer than now. Polar Bears and Humans survived it well.
5) America is already the world most efficient user of energy, the rest of the world is laboring under daft climate action laws and resolutions have difficulty keeping up. Rising temperatures is temporary since the underlying trend since the Minoan times is COOLING.
If the western world would stop trying to prevent Africa and Asia from using proven stable energy sources, they will become richer and healthier, buy quiche eating ecoloony scumbags are trying hard to deny it. You one of them?
You should stop being easily lied too and learn to think logically and factually.
Propaganda should be avoided, why don't you try?
I care that sea levels may change. Mankind will certainly survive whatever flooding comes but men may die in the millions. Aside from the humanitarian issue, I don't want Floridians to migrate to my state before we can build a wall. On the other hand I may get some beachfront property. Winners and losers.you care that it's melting? why? it's been melting since the world was covered in it. we exist now, and you're concerned it's melting? you want us dead under ice? you're certainly very confused. Not sure why ice is so important in your life. BTW, it isn't melting in the arctic or antarctic.
What evidence? I dare say that neither you nor all of climate science can provide a single piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability. You people who believe in AGW are always going on about the "evidence", but don't seem to be able to actually produce any of it. Why do you suppose that is?Maybe because there is evidence?For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?
There is a nightmare scenario concerning Antarctica. As the sea ice declines the forces holding the ice on land may allow a rapid release of that ice into the sea. An enormous amount of land ice would become sea ice rapidly enough we'd be hard pressed to compensate. Is it inevitable, probable, or merely possible? I'd rather not find out.how would the sea levels change? all of the ice in the arctic is sea ice except greenland. and Antarctica isn't melting in your lifetime. so again, what is your concern about ice? and why is it important to worry about?I care that sea levels may change. Mankind will certainly survive whatever flooding comes but men may die in the millions. Aside from the humanitarian issue, I don't want Floridians to migrate to my state before we can build a wall. On the other hand I may get some beachfront property. Winners and losers.you care that it's melting? why? it's been melting since the world was covered in it. we exist now, and you're concerned it's melting? you want us dead under ice? you're certainly very confused. Not sure why ice is so important in your life. BTW, it isn't melting in the arctic or antarctic.
Are you looking for evidence or proof? Evidence is just a Google away. Proof is not available now, maybe when it is too late you'll have your proof.there's evidence? where?Maybe because there is evidence?For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?
they know not what the word 'evidence' means.What evidence? I dare say that neither you nor all of climate science can provide a single piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability. You people who believe in AGW are always going on about the "evidence", but don't seem to be able to actually produce any of it. Why do you suppose that is?Maybe because there is evidence?For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?
let's say that if that happened, it wouldn't be in your lifetime. so you need to find something else to hang your hat on.There is a nightmare scenario concerning Antarctica. As the sea ice declines the forces holding the ice on land may allow a rapid release of that ice into the sea. An enormous amount of land ice would become sea ice rapidly enough we'd be hard pressed to compensate. Is it inevitable, probable, or merely possible? I'd rather not find out.how would the sea levels change? all of the ice in the arctic is sea ice except greenland. and Antarctica isn't melting in your lifetime. so again, what is your concern about ice? and why is it important to worry about?I care that sea levels may change. Mankind will certainly survive whatever flooding comes but men may die in the millions. Aside from the humanitarian issue, I don't want Floridians to migrate to my state before we can build a wall. On the other hand I may get some beachfront property. Winners and losers.you care that it's melting? why? it's been melting since the world was covered in it. we exist now, and you're concerned it's melting? you want us dead under ice? you're certainly very confused. Not sure why ice is so important in your life. BTW, it isn't melting in the arctic or antarctic.
Are you looking for evidence or proof? Evidence is just a Google away. Proof is not available now, maybe when it is too late you'll have your proof.there's evidence? where?Maybe because there is evidence?For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?