There Is A Real Problem...

[alang1216]

For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?

Maybe because there is evidence?

 

[jc456]

....but it isn't the climate.



1.When dealing with individuals for whom reality is merely a suggestion, there is always the question of….dare I say…..mental illness.
If such is determined to be the case, well…..sometimes mandatory confinement is appropriate.
Hence….the application of the term ‘Greeniac.’



2. No matter how often data and experience disproves the fraudulent science of environmentalism, we find a sizable portion of the electorate clings to view that global warming is real, and that efforts such as no longer eating hamburger will alleviate the impending crisis. Reminding these….victims….that real science is base on experimentation is to no avail.


3. The individuals in question have developed the ability to ignore facts that obviate their …delusions. “Environmentalists and their political allies attribute the recent increase in deadly forest fires to global warming. However, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service, forest fires reached their peak in the 1930s and have declined by 80% since then. Environmentalists hide the earlier data and make their case for the effects of global warming by showing the public and policymakers data from 1980 that shows an increase in forest fires.”
Scientists: Dishonest or Afraid?


4. “Climate scientists claim that rising sea levels are caused by man-made global warming. Historical data from the tide gauge in Lower Manhattan shows that sea levels have been rising from about the time when Abraham Lincoln was president to now. … sea levels have been rising for about 20,000 years. …. anthropologists believe that when the sea level was very low people were able to walk from Siberia to North America.” Ibid.


5. “Hot weather is often claimed to be a result of man-made climate change. Heller presents data showing the number of days in Waverly, Ohio, above 90 degrees. In 1895, there were 73 days above 90 degrees. In 1936, there were 82 days above 90 degrees. Since the 1930s, there has been a downward trend in the number of days above 90 degrees. If climatologists hide data from earlier years and started at 1955, they show an increase in the number of above 90-degree days from eight or nine to 30 or 40. Thus, to deceive us into thinking the climate is getting hotter, environmentalists have selected a starting date that fits their agenda.” Ibid.




6. This aberrant behavior that we see in committed greeniacs is not unknown.

“Perseveration is the contextually inappropriate and unintentional repetition of a response or behavioral unit. In schizophrenia, perseveration may take a variety of forms. These can be conceptualized as varying manifestations of an underlying neurocognitive deficit.
Perseveration in Schizophrenia - Oxford Journals
https://academic.oup.com › schizophreniabulletin › article-pdf



An immediate intervention is required!!!

My $0.02:

• Climate changes. It always has and always will. In the past, NYC was under 100s of feet of ice. That has changed.
• Glaciers around the world are generally retreating, pointing to a global temperature rise.
• The rising temperatures may be natural or man-made but it doesn't matter, the effects will be the same.
  
• Anything we do to mitigate rising temperatures will have the same success, regardless of the cause.
• If we make reasonable efforts to make the world energy use more efficient and rising temperatures are real, we may mitigate its' worst effects, if rising temperatures are not real, we have made the world a richer place.

what is it you are proposing exactly? Did ice melt on its own in the past? If so, why do you think we cause ice to melt?

And if you believe we cause ice to melt, how?

I can melt ice with my eyes....it's one of my superpowers….it takes a few minutes.

what is your kryptonite?

I could tell you....but then I'd have to kill you.

that's my kryptonite, death.

 

[jc456]

you care that it's melting? why? it's been melting since the world was covered in it. we exist now, and you're concerned it's melting? you want us dead under ice? you're certainly very confused. Not sure why ice is so important in your life. BTW, it isn't melting in the arctic or antarctic.

I care that sea levels may change. Mankind will certainly survive whatever flooding comes but men may die in the millions. Aside from the humanitarian issue, I don't want Floridians to migrate to my state before we can build a wall. On the other hand I may get some beachfront property. Winners and losers.

how would the sea levels change? all of the ice in the arctic is sea ice except greenland. and Antarctica isn't melting in your lifetime. so again, what is your concern about ice? and why is it important to worry about?

 

[jc456]

For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?

Maybe because there is evidence?

there's evidence? where?

 

[Sunsettommy]

For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?

Maybe because there is evidence?

It is all "theoretical", models all the way down.

Yes it is warming, but CO2 is obviously NOT the driver of it. Heck using Trenberth's own energy budget math, CO2 CAN'T cause global warming anyway. The amount of energy leaving the planet always exceeds the theoretical warm forcing of CO2, ALWAYS!

The real problem are ignorant people pushing a modeling construct, that doesn't exist in Nature at all. Some warmists here have always ignored the hard evidence because they are ignorant and stupid.

 

[PoliticalChic]

For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?

Maybe because there is evidence?

It is all "theoretical", models all the way down.

Yes it is warming, but CO2 is obviously NOT the driver of it. Heck using Trenberth's own energy budget math, CO2 CAN'T cause global warming anyway. The amount of energy leaving the planet always exceeds the theoretical warm forcing of CO2, ALWAYS!

The real problem are ignorant people pushing a modeling construct, that doesn't exist in Nature at all. Some warmists here have always ignored the hard evidence because they are ignorant and stupid.

For clarity, our pal-lying Al treats anything in the media as 'evidence.'

 

[Sunsettommy]

Alang1216 writes from post 6

• Climate changes. It always has and always will. In the past, NYC was under 100s of feet of ice. That has changed.
• Glaciers around the world are generally retreating, pointing to a global temperature rise.
• The rising temperatures may be natural or man-made but it doesn't matter, the effects will be the same.
  
• Anything we do to mitigate rising temperatures will have the same success, regardless of the cause.
• If we make reasonable efforts to make the world energy use more efficient and rising temperatures are real, we may mitigate its' worst effects, if rising temperatures are not real, we have made the world a richer place.

=================================

My line by line reply:

1) Everyone knows Climate changes, so why do warmists keep saying skeptics are climate change deniers, they do it because it is about politics, trying to force a stupid socialism program onto the people in the pretended effort to combat a non existent problem. You saw what Political Chick posted about what various people say, Eden Offenhoffer was very specific about what they really want to do.

Quote from post 3:

“Ottmar Edenhofer, lead author of the IPCC's fourth summary report released in 2007, speaking in 2010 advised: "One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.

Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world's wealth."

Quote from Post 5:

"Christine Stewart, Canada's former Minister of the Environment said: "No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits. ... Climate change (provides) the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world."

You going to continue to ignore them Alang?

2) Generally they are in retreat, but doesn't matter since CO2 isn't causing it. However warmists routinely ignore hard evidence that glaciers over all are growing since the beginning of the Negative insolation around 3,000 B.C.

Mt. Logan (#2 tallest Mt. in North America) most of the glaciers there is only 300 years old and growing, there are some fragments of 8,000 year old ice there that survived the interglacial period.

A Glacier in Northern Greenland didn't exist 6,000 years ago, the Hans Tausen Ice cap in Peary land.

Mt. Churchill in east Alaska, was free of ice before 500 A.D, it is now about 1,500 foot thick by 40 miles long.

Fremont Glacier in Wyoming is not even 300 year old, it is at 43 degrees north, a disturbing sign that the interglacial phase is decaying into a new Glaciation phase.

3) The warming phase is short and dominantly natural, that is what EMPIRICAL data tells us. It is good for the life of the planet too with the of increase CO2 in the atmosphere, life is responding by increasing productivity with more land becoming green.

4) Why do you want to fight natural warming? which will end soon when the forces of Nature changes to a cooling phase. This is what bothers me is the idea that a warmer Earth is bad for us when it is actually GOOD for us, heck we lived through the predicted year 2100 modeling temperature guesses easily just 8,000 years ago when the world in general was around 2-3C warmer than now. It was even warmer in the previous interglacial period Eemian when it was a LOT warmer than now. Polar Bears and Humans survived it well.

5) America is already the world most efficient user of energy, the rest of the world is laboring under daft climate action laws and resolutions have difficulty keeping up. Rising temperatures is temporary since the underlying trend since the Minoan times is COOLING.

If the western world would stop trying to prevent Africa and Asia from using proven stable energy sources, they will become richer and healthier, buy quiche eating ecoloony scumbags are trying hard to deny it. You one of them?

You should stop being easily lied too and learn to think logically and factually.

Propaganda should be avoided, why don't you try?

 

[Frannie]

....but it isn't the climate.



1.When dealing with individuals for whom reality is merely a suggestion, there is always the question of….dare I say…..mental illness.
If such is determined to be the case, well…..sometimes mandatory confinement is appropriate.
Hence….the application of the term ‘Greeniac.’



2. No matter how often data and experience disproves the fraudulent science of environmentalism, we find a sizable portion of the electorate clings to view that global warming is real, and that efforts such as no longer eating hamburger will alleviate the impending crisis. Reminding these….victims….that real science is base on experimentation is to no avail.


3. The individuals in question have developed the ability to ignore facts that obviate their …delusions. “Environmentalists and their political allies attribute the recent increase in deadly forest fires to global warming. However, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service, forest fires reached their peak in the 1930s and have declined by 80% since then. Environmentalists hide the earlier data and make their case for the effects of global warming by showing the public and policymakers data from 1980 that shows an increase in forest fires.”
Scientists: Dishonest or Afraid?


4. “Climate scientists claim that rising sea levels are caused by man-made global warming. Historical data from the tide gauge in Lower Manhattan shows that sea levels have been rising from about the time when Abraham Lincoln was president to now. … sea levels have been rising for about 20,000 years. …. anthropologists believe that when the sea level was very low people were able to walk from Siberia to North America.” Ibid.


5. “Hot weather is often claimed to be a result of man-made climate change. Heller presents data showing the number of days in Waverly, Ohio, above 90 degrees. In 1895, there were 73 days above 90 degrees. In 1936, there were 82 days above 90 degrees. Since the 1930s, there has been a downward trend in the number of days above 90 degrees. If climatologists hide data from earlier years and started at 1955, they show an increase in the number of above 90-degree days from eight or nine to 30 or 40. Thus, to deceive us into thinking the climate is getting hotter, environmentalists have selected a starting date that fits their agenda.” Ibid.




6. This aberrant behavior that we see in committed greeniacs is not unknown.

“Perseveration is the contextually inappropriate and unintentional repetition of a response or behavioral unit. In schizophrenia, perseveration may take a variety of forms. These can be conceptualized as varying manifestations of an underlying neurocognitive deficit.
Perseveration in Schizophrenia - Oxford Journals
https://academic.oup.com › schizophreniabulletin › article-pdf



An immediate intervention is required!!!

The real problem was the king of england killing people who did not refer to him as god


The climate has been changing for 5 billion years

 

[PoliticalChic]

....but it isn't the climate.



1.When dealing with individuals for whom reality is merely a suggestion, there is always the question of….dare I say…..mental illness.
If such is determined to be the case, well…..sometimes mandatory confinement is appropriate.
Hence….the application of the term ‘Greeniac.’



2. No matter how often data and experience disproves the fraudulent science of environmentalism, we find a sizable portion of the electorate clings to view that global warming is real, and that efforts such as no longer eating hamburger will alleviate the impending crisis. Reminding these….victims….that real science is base on experimentation is to no avail.


3. The individuals in question have developed the ability to ignore facts that obviate their …delusions. “Environmentalists and their political allies attribute the recent increase in deadly forest fires to global warming. However, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service, forest fires reached their peak in the 1930s and have declined by 80% since then. Environmentalists hide the earlier data and make their case for the effects of global warming by showing the public and policymakers data from 1980 that shows an increase in forest fires.”
Scientists: Dishonest or Afraid?


4. “Climate scientists claim that rising sea levels are caused by man-made global warming. Historical data from the tide gauge in Lower Manhattan shows that sea levels have been rising from about the time when Abraham Lincoln was president to now. … sea levels have been rising for about 20,000 years. …. anthropologists believe that when the sea level was very low people were able to walk from Siberia to North America.” Ibid.


5. “Hot weather is often claimed to be a result of man-made climate change. Heller presents data showing the number of days in Waverly, Ohio, above 90 degrees. In 1895, there were 73 days above 90 degrees. In 1936, there were 82 days above 90 degrees. Since the 1930s, there has been a downward trend in the number of days above 90 degrees. If climatologists hide data from earlier years and started at 1955, they show an increase in the number of above 90-degree days from eight or nine to 30 or 40. Thus, to deceive us into thinking the climate is getting hotter, environmentalists have selected a starting date that fits their agenda.” Ibid.




6. This aberrant behavior that we see in committed greeniacs is not unknown.

“Perseveration is the contextually inappropriate and unintentional repetition of a response or behavioral unit. In schizophrenia, perseveration may take a variety of forms. These can be conceptualized as varying manifestations of an underlying neurocognitive deficit.
Perseveration in Schizophrenia - Oxford Journals
https://academic.oup.com › schizophreniabulletin › article-pdf



An immediate intervention is required!!!

The real problem was the king of england killing people who did not refer to him as god


The climate has been changing for 5 billion years

Are you the same guy from Wheel of Fortune who said “is there an ‘f’ as in pharaoh?”

 

[Frannie]

....but it isn't the climate.



1.When dealing with individuals for whom reality is merely a suggestion, there is always the question of….dare I say…..mental illness.
If such is determined to be the case, well…..sometimes mandatory confinement is appropriate.
Hence….the application of the term ‘Greeniac.’



2. No matter how often data and experience disproves the fraudulent science of environmentalism, we find a sizable portion of the electorate clings to view that global warming is real, and that efforts such as no longer eating hamburger will alleviate the impending crisis. Reminding these….victims….that real science is base on experimentation is to no avail.


3. The individuals in question have developed the ability to ignore facts that obviate their …delusions. “Environmentalists and their political allies attribute the recent increase in deadly forest fires to global warming. However, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service, forest fires reached their peak in the 1930s and have declined by 80% since then. Environmentalists hide the earlier data and make their case for the effects of global warming by showing the public and policymakers data from 1980 that shows an increase in forest fires.”
Scientists: Dishonest or Afraid?


4. “Climate scientists claim that rising sea levels are caused by man-made global warming. Historical data from the tide gauge in Lower Manhattan shows that sea levels have been rising from about the time when Abraham Lincoln was president to now. … sea levels have been rising for about 20,000 years. …. anthropologists believe that when the sea level was very low people were able to walk from Siberia to North America.” Ibid.


5. “Hot weather is often claimed to be a result of man-made climate change. Heller presents data showing the number of days in Waverly, Ohio, above 90 degrees. In 1895, there were 73 days above 90 degrees. In 1936, there were 82 days above 90 degrees. Since the 1930s, there has been a downward trend in the number of days above 90 degrees. If climatologists hide data from earlier years and started at 1955, they show an increase in the number of above 90-degree days from eight or nine to 30 or 40. Thus, to deceive us into thinking the climate is getting hotter, environmentalists have selected a starting date that fits their agenda.” Ibid.




6. This aberrant behavior that we see in committed greeniacs is not unknown.

“Perseveration is the contextually inappropriate and unintentional repetition of a response or behavioral unit. In schizophrenia, perseveration may take a variety of forms. These can be conceptualized as varying manifestations of an underlying neurocognitive deficit.
Perseveration in Schizophrenia - Oxford Journals
https://academic.oup.com › schizophreniabulletin › article-pdf



An immediate intervention is required!!!

The real problem was the king of england killing people who did not refer to him as god


The climate has been changing for 5 billion years

Are you the same guy from Wheel of Fortune who said “is there an ‘f’ as in pharaoh?”

No I am not your dad

 

[bluzman61]

....but it isn't the climate.



1.When dealing with individuals for whom reality is merely a suggestion, there is always the question of….dare I say…..mental illness.
If such is determined to be the case, well…..sometimes mandatory confinement is appropriate.
Hence….the application of the term ‘Greeniac.’



2. No matter how often data and experience disproves the fraudulent science of environmentalism, we find a sizable portion of the electorate clings to view that global warming is real, and that efforts such as no longer eating hamburger will alleviate the impending crisis. Reminding these….victims….that real science is base on experimentation is to no avail.


3. The individuals in question have developed the ability to ignore facts that obviate their …delusions. “Environmentalists and their political allies attribute the recent increase in deadly forest fires to global warming. However, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service, forest fires reached their peak in the 1930s and have declined by 80% since then. Environmentalists hide the earlier data and make their case for the effects of global warming by showing the public and policymakers data from 1980 that shows an increase in forest fires.”
Scientists: Dishonest or Afraid?


4. “Climate scientists claim that rising sea levels are caused by man-made global warming. Historical data from the tide gauge in Lower Manhattan shows that sea levels have been rising from about the time when Abraham Lincoln was president to now. … sea levels have been rising for about 20,000 years. …. anthropologists believe that when the sea level was very low people were able to walk from Siberia to North America.” Ibid.


5. “Hot weather is often claimed to be a result of man-made climate change. Heller presents data showing the number of days in Waverly, Ohio, above 90 degrees. In 1895, there were 73 days above 90 degrees. In 1936, there were 82 days above 90 degrees. Since the 1930s, there has been a downward trend in the number of days above 90 degrees. If climatologists hide data from earlier years and started at 1955, they show an increase in the number of above 90-degree days from eight or nine to 30 or 40. Thus, to deceive us into thinking the climate is getting hotter, environmentalists have selected a starting date that fits their agenda.” Ibid.




6. This aberrant behavior that we see in committed greeniacs is not unknown.

“Perseveration is the contextually inappropriate and unintentional repetition of a response or behavioral unit. In schizophrenia, perseveration may take a variety of forms. These can be conceptualized as varying manifestations of an underlying neurocognitive deficit.
Perseveration in Schizophrenia - Oxford Journals
https://academic.oup.com › schizophreniabulletin › article-pdf



An immediate intervention is required!!!

These fools don't realize that climate change = weather. That's ALL you need to know.

 

[jc456]

Alang1216 writes from post 6

• Climate changes. It always has and always will. In the past, NYC was under 100s of feet of ice. That has changed.
• Glaciers around the world are generally retreating, pointing to a global temperature rise.
• The rising temperatures may be natural or man-made but it doesn't matter, the effects will be the same.
  
• Anything we do to mitigate rising temperatures will have the same success, regardless of the cause.
• If we make reasonable efforts to make the world energy use more efficient and rising temperatures are real, we may mitigate its' worst effects, if rising temperatures are not real, we have made the world a richer place.

=================================

My line by line reply:

1) Everyone knows Climate changes, so why do warmists keep saying skeptics are climate change deniers, they do it because it is about politics, trying to force a stupid socialism program onto the people in the pretended effort to combat a non existent problem. You saw what Political Chick posted about what various people say, Eden Offenhoffer was very specific about what they really want to do.

Quote from post 3:

“Ottmar Edenhofer, lead author of the IPCC's fourth summary report released in 2007, speaking in 2010 advised: "One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.

Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world's wealth."

Quote from Post 5:

"Christine Stewart, Canada's former Minister of the Environment said: "No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits. ... Climate change (provides) the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world."

You going to continue to ignore them Alang?

2) Generally they are in retreat, but doesn't matter since CO2 isn't causing it. However warmists routinely ignore hard evidence that glaciers over all are growing since the beginning of the Negative insolation around 3,000 B.C.

Mt. Logan (#2 tallest Mt. in North America) most of the glaciers there is only 300 years old and growing, there are some fragments of 8,000 year old ice there that survived the interglacial period.

A Glacier in Northern Greenland didn't exist 6,000 years ago, the Hans Tausen Ice cap in Peary land.

Mt. Churchill in east Alaska, was free of ice before 500 A.D, it is now about 1,500 foot thick by 40 miles long.

Fremont Glacier in Wyoming is not even 300 year old, it is at 43 degrees north, a disturbing sign that the interglacial phase is decaying into a new Glaciation phase.

3) The warming phase is short and dominantly natural, that is what EMPIRICAL data tells us. It is good for the life of the planet too with the of increase CO2 in the atmosphere, life is responding by increasing productivity with more land becoming green.

4) Why do you want to fight natural warming? which will end soon when the forces of Nature changes to a cooling phase. This is what bothers me is the idea that a warmer Earth is bad for us when it is actually GOOD for us, heck we lived through the predicted year 2100 modeling temperature guesses easily just 8,000 years ago when the world in general was around 2-3C warmer than now. It was even warmer in the previous interglacial period Eemian when it was a LOT warmer than now. Polar Bears and Humans survived it well.

5) America is already the world most efficient user of energy, the rest of the world is laboring under daft climate action laws and resolutions have difficulty keeping up. Rising temperatures is temporary since the underlying trend since the Minoan times is COOLING.

If the western world would stop trying to prevent Africa and Asia from using proven stable energy sources, they will become richer and healthier, buy quiche eating ecoloony scumbags are trying hard to deny it. You one of them?

You should stop being easily lied too and learn to think logically and factually.

Propaganda should be avoided, why don't you try?

Why do you want to fight natural warming?

Why do they want it cold?

 

[karpenter]

The Rising Levels Of CO2
Will Drive The Greening Of The Earth

 

[SSDD]

you care that it's melting? why? it's been melting since the world was covered in it. we exist now, and you're concerned it's melting? you want us dead under ice? you're certainly very confused. Not sure why ice is so important in your life. BTW, it isn't melting in the arctic or antarctic.

I care that sea levels may change. Mankind will certainly survive whatever flooding comes but men may die in the millions. Aside from the humanitarian issue, I don't want Floridians to migrate to my state before we can build a wall. On the other hand I may get some beachfront property. Winners and losers.

Do you really think that we could build anything that would effectively hold back the ocean for any period of time that would make it worth the expense of trying to build it? The oceans are rising at a rate of a couple of mm per year. The "retreat from the beach" will be a very slow..very long process and won't likely result in people fleeing the state. More people migrate in the US to escape taxes than they do to escape rising sea levels...

 

[SSDD]

For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?

Maybe because there is evidence?

What evidence? I dare say that neither you nor all of climate science can provide a single piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability. You people who believe in AGW are always going on about the "evidence", but don't seem to be able to actually produce any of it. Why do you suppose that is?

 

[alang1216]

you care that it's melting? why? it's been melting since the world was covered in it. we exist now, and you're concerned it's melting? you want us dead under ice? you're certainly very confused. Not sure why ice is so important in your life. BTW, it isn't melting in the arctic or antarctic.

I care that sea levels may change. Mankind will certainly survive whatever flooding comes but men may die in the millions. Aside from the humanitarian issue, I don't want Floridians to migrate to my state before we can build a wall. On the other hand I may get some beachfront property. Winners and losers.

how would the sea levels change? all of the ice in the arctic is sea ice except greenland. and Antarctica isn't melting in your lifetime. so again, what is your concern about ice? and why is it important to worry about?

There is a nightmare scenario concerning Antarctica. As the sea ice declines the forces holding the ice on land may allow a rapid release of that ice into the sea. An enormous amount of land ice would become sea ice rapidly enough we'd be hard pressed to compensate. Is it inevitable, probable, or merely possible? I'd rather not find out.

 

[alang1216]

For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?

Maybe because there is evidence?

there's evidence? where?

Are you looking for evidence or proof? Evidence is just a Google away. Proof is not available now, maybe when it is too late you'll have your proof.

 

[jc456]

For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?

Maybe because there is evidence?

What evidence? I dare say that neither you nor all of climate science can provide a single piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability. You people who believe in AGW are always going on about the "evidence", but don't seem to be able to actually produce any of it. Why do you suppose that is?

they know not what the word 'evidence' means.

 

[jc456]

you care that it's melting? why? it's been melting since the world was covered in it. we exist now, and you're concerned it's melting? you want us dead under ice? you're certainly very confused. Not sure why ice is so important in your life. BTW, it isn't melting in the arctic or antarctic.

I care that sea levels may change. Mankind will certainly survive whatever flooding comes but men may die in the millions. Aside from the humanitarian issue, I don't want Floridians to migrate to my state before we can build a wall. On the other hand I may get some beachfront property. Winners and losers.

how would the sea levels change? all of the ice in the arctic is sea ice except greenland. and Antarctica isn't melting in your lifetime. so again, what is your concern about ice? and why is it important to worry about?

There is a nightmare scenario concerning Antarctica. As the sea ice declines the forces holding the ice on land may allow a rapid release of that ice into the sea. An enormous amount of land ice would become sea ice rapidly enough we'd be hard pressed to compensate. Is it inevitable, probable, or merely possible? I'd rather not find out.

let's say that if that happened, it wouldn't be in your lifetime. so you need to find something else to hang your hat on.

 

[PoliticalChic]

For example, if ocean levels have been rising for some 20,000 years, why do scientists allow environmentalists to get away with the claim that it's a result of man-made global warming?

Maybe because there is evidence?

there's evidence? where?

Are you looking for evidence or proof? Evidence is just a Google away. Proof is not available now, maybe when it is too late you'll have your proof.

"Proof is not available now"




"Report: Decades of Failed Eco-Pocalypse Predictions

Study captures more than 50 years of false claims from environmentalists


The apocalyptic claims of environmentalists have failed repeatedly for decades, but that has not stopped top Democrats from panicking, according to a new study.

…a copy of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's 2018 report on the effects of global warming…. The IPCC report "paints a far more dire picture of the immediate consequences of climate change than previously thought," according to the New York Times. It has also served as the partial basis of dire predictions from leading liberal politicians. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) has predicted that the world will end in 12 years, and that Miami will no longer exist if her Green New Deal is not passed. Presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg has even suggested people who eat hamburgers and use plastic straws are "part of the problem."

Such dire predictions, the new CEI report said, are nothing new. There is a long history of prominent politicians and scientists predicting imminent crises that never quite come to pass.

…stretches back to infamous Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich's prediction that, as of 1967, it was "already too late for the world to avoid a long period of famine," which he expected to come by 1975. Ehrlich would gain notoriety for similarly dire predictions in his 1968 book The Population Bomb, and for subsequently losing a bet on global scarcity to economist Julian Simon.

Air pollution has been another popular topic of alarm. A number of scientists, including a NASA expert and a whole panel convened at Brown University, predicted that "air pollution may obliterate the sun and cause a new ice age in the first third of the next century," in the words of a 1970 Boston Globe report. Air pollution has declined steadily for decades.

In the 1980s, scientists projected both epic floods, with the Maldives under water by the 2010s, and epic droughts, with regions going parched starting in the 1990s. None of these predictions came to pass.

More recent scientists are not immune. The CEI report cites Dr. David Viner, a climate researcher at the University of East Anglia, who in 2000 predicted snowfall would soon become "a very rare and exciting event. … Children just aren't going to know what snow is." In 2008, one NASA scientist told Congress to expect all arctic ice to melt by 2018; that same year, Al Gore predicted it would vanish by 2013. As recently as 2014, the French foreign minister claimed the planet had just "500 days" before climate catastrophe."
Five Decades of Wrong Predictions About the Environmental Apocalypse




You must be from Switzerland, where the clocks aren’t the only things that’re coo-coo.