"The World Stands Disgraced by Israel"

[georgephillip]

The Guardian bleh.
The world stand disgraced by Hamas-Supporters

You are so cavalier with the deaths of Gazan children, I have to say, "Yes, you are inhuman!"

Think he's Jewish?

 

[Billo_Really]

Think he's Jewish?

Doubt it.

 

[Kondor3]

A note for newcomers to the subject...

A quick primer on the use of Human Shields by Hamas, and the trap that the Opposition can set for you, if you're not aware that they're lying in wait for you on this score...

The first step in avoiding a trap is to realize that it exists...

With that in mind...

In times past, a couple of different Human Rights organizations have investigated Hamas' use of human shields, and failed to come up with enough evidence to indict, in the ICC or some other jurisdictionally competent war crimes tribunal venue.

That is because there is a narrow-width Legal Definition of Human Shields, that differs from the Real-World definition.

For example, in the case of Hamas rocket launchers, Hamas must be demonstrated to have forced its civilians to remain nearby to a rocket launcher, in order for it to be classified as a war-crime in the narrow legal (and prosecutable) sense of the phrase.

This would be the use of Human Shields de jure (according to international law).

However, if Hamas positions rocket launchers nearby to its civilians, but does not (or cannot be proven to) force its civilians to remain nearby, then, it is not a use of Human Shields in the strict international legal sense of the phrase, but it IS a vilie and despicable use of Human Shields in the Real World.

This would be the use of Human Shields de facto (in fact, regardless of what the law says).

It is the latter of these two - the use of Human Shields de facto - which those same Human Rights organizations have found to be operative in times past.

It is the latter of these two - the use of Human Shields de facto - which Hamas has perpetrated on a routine basis during the course of the 2014 Gaza War.

The use of Human Shields de facto.

Something that many Western governments - including the US Government and various high-level members of the Administration - past and present - and the leadership of the United Nations - have already gone on public record, to point out, repeatedly, during the course of the 2014 Gaza War.

The use of Human Shields de facto.

We are talking about a loophole in International Law which has allowed Hamas to evade such a charge in the international criminal courts, time and again.

After all, when a Human Rights organization calls upon a Gazan family to ask it whether it was forced to remain nearby, once launchers had been positioned close to them, and with representatives of Hamas looking on, or able to glean the feedback given to the investigators one way or another, and with Hamas shooting those that dissent or are critical of their terrorist masters...

We're all certain that those investigators are getting the most accurate and honest and pressure-free feedback from that family, about whether or not they were forced to remain in-place nearby to those rocket launchers, right?

Yeah... and, if ya'll believe that, I've got this bridge in Brooklyn ya'll need to have a look at.

And, for a DEAD Gazan family, who were killed as unintended collateral civilian casualties, because they were too nearby to a rocket launcher that was intentionally positioned so close to them by Hamas, well...

I seriously doubt that The Dead care very much whether Hamas perpetrated a Human Shields war crime de jure (prosecutable under international law) or de facto (in the Real World)...

Dead is dead... and that family can thank Hamas for putting them into danger.

So...

Do not bother yourselves overly much, chasing down evidence of legally-prosecutable war-crimes by Hamas, related to Human Shields, in times past, because you'll encounter very slim pickings.

But the ghosts of those scores of dead families and hundreds of family members, from times past, and the ghosts of hundreds of dead families or family members, from the 2014 Gaza War, might not much care whether what killed them was the use of Human Shields de jure, or Human Shields de facto.

And neither should any of us (care, whether it's de jure or de facto).

Human Shields are Human Shields, and dead is dead, in connection with either legal status of the Human Shield usage.

Now, as to proving Hamas has engaged in the use of Human Shields DE FACTO (in fact, in the Real World)...

All one has to do, is to serve-up video of Hamas launching rockets from within heavily populated areas, in order to prove the use of Human Shields DE FACTO.

And YouTube is choked to overflowing with examples of just that.

India's NDTV (the Indians, a neutral source) has some fine video footage of Hamas firing rockets from within heavily populated civilian areas of Gaza, during the 2014 Gaza War.

And, say-hey, and let's not forget, the recent publicly-aired statement of Finnish (another neutral source) TV reporter Aishi Zidan, reporting that Hamas fired rockets from the parking lot of the Shifa hospital around 2:00 am during the July 31-August 1 timeframe.

There are plenty of examples (many documented, some even captured on reliable video) of Hamas using Human Shields DE FACTO... in connection with rocket-launchers, command posts, weapons caches, munitions caches, leadership and militia quarters and ops centers, etc.

One does not have to range far on the Internet to find such things.

So long as you are aware of the 'de jure' versus 'de facto' technical trap.

The strict letter of the law, in connection with what is prosecutable and what is not, is one thing.

The egregious, widespread, callous, cynical and barbaric use of Human Shields DE FACTO is quite another.

As I mentioned earlier...

Dead is dead... doesn't matter whether or not the perpetrators can escape actual war-crimes prosecution on a technicality.

For newcomers to that aspect of the discussion... just so ya'll are aware...

Now that you know the DE JURE versus DE FACTO trap, you can research and respond accordingly.

 

[georgephillip]

A note for newcomers to the subject...

A quick primer on the use of Human Shields by Hamas, and the trap that the Opposition can set for you, if you're not aware that they're lying in wait for you on this score...

The first step is avoiding a trap is to realize that it exists...

With that in mind...

In times past, a couple of different Human Rights organizations have investigated Hamas' use of human shields, and failed to come up with enough evidence to indict.

That is because there is a narrow-width Legal Definition of Human Shields, that differs from the Real-World definition.

For example, in the case of Hamas rocket launchers, Hamas must be demonstrated to have forced its civilians to remain nearby to a rocket launcher, in order for it to be classified as a war-crime in the narrow legal (and prosecutable) sense of the phrase.

This would be the use of Human Shields de jure (according to international law).

However, if Hamas positions rocket launchers nearby to its civilians, but does not (or cannot be proven to) force its civilians to remain nearby, then, it is not a use of Human Shields in the strict international legal sense of the phrase, but it IS a vilie and despicable use of Human Shields in the Real World.

This would be the use of Human Shields de facto (in fact, regardless of what the law says).

It is the latter of these two - the use of Human Shields de facto - which those same Human Rights organizations have found to be operative in times past.

It is the latter of these two - the use of Human Shields de facto - which Hamas has perpetrated on a routine basis during the course of the 2014 Gaza War.

The use of Human Shields de facto.

Something that many Western governments - including the US Government and various high-level members of the Administration - past and present - and the leadership of the United Nations - have already gone on public record, to point out, repeatedly, during the course of the 2014 Gaza War.

The use of Human Shields de facto.

We are talking about a loophole in International Law which has allowed Hamas to evade such a charge in the international criminal courts, time and again.

After all, when a Human Rights organization calls upon a Gazan family to ask it whether it was forced to remain nearby, once launchers had been positioned close to them, and with representatives of Hamas looking on, or able to glean the feedback given to the investigators one way or another, and with Hamas shooting those that dissent or are critical of their terrorist masters...

We're all certain that those investigators are getting the most accurate and honest and pressure-free feedback from that family, about whether or not they were forced to remain in-place nearby to those rocket launchers, right?

Yeah... and, if ya'll believe that, I've got this bridge in Brooklyn ya'll need to have a look at.

And, for a DEAD Gazan family, who were killed as unintended collateral civilian casualties, because they were too nearby to a rocket launcher that was intentionally positioned so close to them by Hamas, well...

I seriously doubt that The Dead care very much whether Hamas perpetrated a Human Shields war crime de jure (prosecutable under international law) or de facto (in the Real World)...

Dead is dead... and that family can thank Hamas for putting them into danger.

So...

Do not bother yourselves overly much, chasing down evidence of legally-prosecutable war-crimes by Hamas, related to Human Shields, in times past, because you'll encounter very slim pickings.

But the ghosts of those scores of dead families and hundreds of family members, from times past, and the ghosts of hundreds of dead families or family members, from the 2014 Gaza War, might not much care whether what killed them was the use of Human Shields de jure, or Human Shields de facto.

And neither should any of us (care, whether it's de jure or de facto).

Human Shields are Human Shields, and dead is dead, in connection with either legal status of the Human Shield usage.

Now, as to proving Hamas has engaged in the use of Human Shields DE FACTO (in fact, in the Real World)...

All one has to do, is to serve-up video of Hamas launching rockets from within heavily populated areas, in order to prove the use of Human Shields DE FACTO.

And YouTube is choked to overflowing with examples of just that.

India's NDTV (the Indians, a neutral source) has some fine video footage of Hamas firing rockets from within heavily populated civilian areas of Gaza, during the 2014 Gaza War.

And, say-hey, and let's not forget, the recent publicly-aired statement of Finnish (another neutral source) TV reporter Aishi Zidan, reporting that Hamas fired rockets from the parking lot of the Shifa hospital around 2:00 am during the July 31-August 1 timeframe.

There are plenty of examples (many documented, some even captured on reliable video) of Hamas using Human Shields DE FACTO... in connection with rocket-launchers, command posts, weapons caches, munitions caches, leadership and militia quarters and ops centers, etc.

One does not have to range far on the Internet to find such things.

So long as you are aware of the 'de jure' versus 'de facto' technical trap.

As I mentioned earlier...

Dead is dead... doesn't matter whether or not the perpatrators escape prosecution on a tehnicality.

How many Jewish children have Hamas killed lately?
How many Jewish civilian homes has Hamas deliberately targeted recently?
Is this child likely a Jew or Arab?
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[Kondor3]

How many Jewish children have Hamas killed lately?...

Few, or none, because the IDF has decimated Hamas and gravely disrupted its ability to wage war.

That is how the Good Guys (the Israelis) win... by killing the Bad Guys (Hamas) before they can do bad things.

Unfortunately for those poor Gazan kids who died, their terrorist masters put them in mortal danger by waging war too close to them.

...How many Jewish civilian homes has Hamas deliberately targeted recently?...

Zero.

Why?

Because Hamas rockets don't have that kind of accuracy built into them.

If they did have such accuracy built into them, the count would be very high, indeed.

The point of the exercise, from the IDF perspective, is to ensure that Hamas never gets that capability.

That, too, is how the Good Guys (the Israelis) win.

...Is this child likely a Jew or Arab?...

My guess is Arab.

Arab children are the only children whose political masters consciously put them at risk of concentrated enemy fire on a regular basis.

 

[Sally]

How many Jewish children have Hamas killed lately?...

Few, or none, because the IDF has decimated Hamas and gravely disrupted its ability to wage war.

That is how the Good Guys (the Israelis) win... by killing the Bad Guys (Hamas) before they can do bad things.

Unfortunately for those poor Gazan kids who died, their terrorist masters put them in mortal danger by waging war too close to them.


Zero.

Why?

Because Hamas rockets don't have that kind of accuracy built into them.

If they did have such accuracy built into them, the count would be very high, indeed.

The point of the exercise, from the IDF perspective, is to ensure that Hamas never gets that capability.

That, too, is how the Good Guys (the Israelis) win.

...Is this child likely a Jew or Arab?...

My guess is Arab.

Arab children are the only children whose political masters consciously put them at risk of concentrated enemy fire on a regular basis.

Jews are the only Semites firing indiscriminately into areas populated by civilians.
If greedy Jews weren't trying to scare all the Arabs out of Palestine, they wouldn't have to kill so many innocent children, would they?
When Israel lifts its occupation of Palestine, Hamas goes back to building libraries and hospitals.
Some Jews would obviously rather kill more children and steal more Arab land.
Sad that.

Think they're Jews?

Here we have the "greedy Jews" bit again from Gaza George. What he is showing us with his constant "greedy Jews" is that he is envious of the Jews living in his city who have a good life while he sits in his little subsidized apartment paid for by some of the Jewish taxpayers. He could have been living a better life if he had only availed himself of the opportunities early on to make something of himself.

Gaza George actually thinks that the viewers believe he cares about children. Over 10,000 children have been killed in Syria alone, and Gaza George has never thought it important enough to mention them because the "greedy Jews" were not involved for him to blame.

Say, Gaza George, the major and others are for Israel. You are going to have to send a letter to City Hall telling them you are upset with this because it is the "greedy Jews" fault and not Hamas who wants to kill the Jews.

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