The world leaping ahead of us, the U.S. still has no fast trains.



The happy countries lists are propaganda. Take a look at those happy countries and see how many people are trying to move to those places, rather than here.
Probably so.
The happiest are the rich who live in more than one country, like Canada in the summer, Jamaica in the winter ...a spare home in Aspen for whenever.
There are no happy people in Canada
 


The happy countries lists are propaganda. Take a look at those happy countries and see how many people are trying to move to those places, rather than here.
Probably so.
The happiest are the rich who live in more than one country, like Canada in the summer, Jamaica in the winter ...a spare home in Aspen for whenever.
There are no happy people in Canada




Not true, the fascists running the place are quite happy.
 


The happy countries lists are propaganda. Take a look at those happy countries and see how many people are trying to move to those places, rather than here.
Probably so.
The happiest are the rich who live in more than one country, like Canada in the summer, Jamaica in the winter ...a spare home in Aspen for whenever.
There are no happy people in Canada




Not true, the fascists running the place are quite happy.
They may think that they are happy waiting a year to see a doctor when they are sick, but they actually have no clue what life should be
 


The happy countries lists are propaganda. Take a look at those happy countries and see how many people are trying to move to those places, rather than here.
Probably so.
The happiest are the rich who live in more than one country, like Canada in the summer, Jamaica in the winter ...a spare home in Aspen for whenever.
There are no happy people in Canada




Not true, the fascists running the place are quite happy.
They may think that they are happy waiting a year to see a doctor when they are sick, but they actually have no clue what life should be
They just legalized cannabis for one thing. It means the people get to decide the laws, not the corporations. ( at least not as bad as here)
 


The happy countries lists are propaganda. Take a look at those happy countries and see how many people are trying to move to those places, rather than here.
Probably so.
The happiest are the rich who live in more than one country, like Canada in the summer, Jamaica in the winter ...a spare home in Aspen for whenever.
There are no happy people in Canada




Not true, the fascists running the place are quite happy.
They may think that they are happy waiting a year to see a doctor when they are sick, but they actually have no clue what life should be
They just legalized cannabis for one thing. It means the people get to decide the laws, not the corporations. ( at least not as bad as here)
It takes a year to see a doctor in Canada, meaning that people die waiting.

Really

And this is what retards like you want here
 
Wow. We beat Czech Republic.
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And this is what retards like you want here
Haven't changed your snotty attitude have you Frannie ?
Too bad.
It takes a year to see a doctor in Canada, meaning that people die waiting.

Really

And this is what retards like you want here


 


The happy countries lists are propaganda. Take a look at those happy countries and see how many people are trying to move to those places, rather than here.
Probably so.
The happiest are the rich who live in more than one country, like Canada in the summer, Jamaica in the winter ...a spare home in Aspen for whenever.
There are no happy people in Canada




Not true, the fascists running the place are quite happy.
They may think that they are happy waiting a year to see a doctor when they are sick, but they actually have no clue what life should be



The fascist elite don't wait. They come here to the USA for their medical treatment.
 
ll of those combined don't close to that which has been wasted on just the failed California high-speed rail to date much less completing the boondoggle.
It's coming to Abu Dhabi/Dubai and China first. California later.

Saudi Arabia's bullet trains have been completed for several years. now.
Train. Singular. And it is not even designed for locals to use.

The Haramain high-speed railway connects the King Abdulaziz International Airport to King Abdullah Economic City, then onwards to Medina and Mecca.

It was not made for use by the citizens, but by the tend of millions that arrive each year on pilgrimages. In essence, think of it as a more impressive theme park ride, like the Disneyland Monorail. It does not even connect to the Mecca Metro system, it is entirely built for tourists.


Right... phase one.

Haramain high-speed railway - Wikipedia

The Haramain high-speed railway (Haramain referring to Mecca and Medina Islamic holy cities), also known as the Western railway or Mecca–Medina high-speed railway, is a 453-kilometre-long (281 mi) high-speed rail line in Saudi Arabia. It links the Muslim holy cities of Medina and Mecca via King Abdullah Economic City, using 449.2 kilometres (279.1 mi) of main line and a 3.75-kilometre (2.33 mi) br…




You claimed they were already built.

Stop lying.
Lol surada. He's basically an opinionated lying POS.
 



You still haven't explained why we should build something that isn't needed.
We build a lot of things that aren't needed.
The airlines are all in debt...who's subsidizing them ?




Soooo, you want to cause all sorts of environmental destruction, waste trillions of dollars, all because the airlines got fucked over by the government?
It wouldn't cost TRILLIONS, first of all, but since you guys like pulling that number out of your asses, why do you never bitch when it's the Pentagon budget ? Or subsidies for nuclear plants that NEVER turn a profit, or when BP or Exxon walk from environmental accountabilty. ?

Yes, it will.

Now to put it into perspective, the California Bullet Train now under construction has already cost over $100 billion, and is expected to if ever completed cost in the area of $500 billion to just go from LA to San Francisco.

That is half a trillion dollars, for a train to go 400 miles. And not even a "hyperloop", just a bullet train like they have been making for decades.

This is where Elron Musk and his fantasy breaks down. Hell, they just finished for over $50 million a slow moving taxi. Heck, remember when it was first announced? The Internet does not forget.

The Vegas Loop – Quick Facts​

  • Includes the Las Vegas Convention Center Loop (LVCC Loop)
  • Total Current Cost: $52-million
  • Travel Speed: 155 mph
  • Estimated Capacity: 4,000 passengers per hour
  • Completion Date: Unknown, but the LVCC Loop is expected to debut January 2021
  • Projected Stops: McCarran International Airport, Allegiant Stadium, Las Vegas Convention Center, Fremont Street Experience, Slotzilla and Garage Mahal at Circa.

155 miles per hour! 4,000 passengers per hour! The greatest thing ever, that will revolutionize the world! Completely autonomous vehicles!

Uhhh, no. It is taxi drivers going at slow speed in a tunnel, 3 passengers at a time.

This is the problem, you are believing all of the hype without applying logic and reasoning, and at least a healthy dose of skepticism. It will cost a great many trillion dollars, because even after all of the money poured into it, it still does not exist.

It exists as much as the flying wing passenger jets that were promised 60 years ago.
 



You still haven't explained why we should build something that isn't needed.
We build a lot of things that aren't needed.
The airlines are all in debt...who's subsidizing them ?




Soooo, you want to cause all sorts of environmental destruction, waste trillions of dollars, all because the airlines got fucked over by the government?
It wouldn't cost TRILLIONS, first of all, but since you guys like pulling that number out of your asses, why do you never bitch when it's the Pentagon budget ? Or subsidies for nuclear plants that NEVER turn a profit, or when BP or Exxon walk from environmental accountabilty. ?

Yes, it will.

Now to put it into perspective, the California Bullet Train now under construction has already cost over $100 billion, and is expected to if ever completed cost in the area of $500 billion to just go from LA to San Francisco.

That is half a trillion dollars, for a train to go 400 miles. And not even a "hyperloop", just a bullet train like they have been making for decades.

This is where Elron Musk and his fantasy breaks down. Hell, they just finished for over $50 million a slow moving taxi. Heck, remember when it was first announced? The Internet does not forget.

The Vegas Loop – Quick Facts​

  • Includes the Las Vegas Convention Center Loop (LVCC Loop)
  • Total Current Cost: $52-million
  • Travel Speed: 155 mph
  • Estimated Capacity: 4,000 passengers per hour
  • Completion Date: Unknown, but the LVCC Loop is expected to debut January 2021
  • Projected Stops: McCarran International Airport, Allegiant Stadium, Las Vegas Convention Center, Fremont Street Experience, Slotzilla and Garage Mahal at Circa.

155 miles per hour! 4,000 passengers per hour! The greatest thing ever, that will revolutionize the world! Completely autonomous vehicles!

Uhhh, no. It is taxi drivers going at slow speed in a tunnel, 3 passengers at a time.

This is the problem, you are believing all of the hype without applying logic and reasoning, and at least a healthy dose of skepticism. It will cost a great many trillion dollars, because even after all of the money poured into it, it still does not exist.

It exists as much as the flying wing passenger jets that were promised 60 years ago.
No one will be able to travel that 400 mile stretch daily and the project will be one of the biggest waste of money ever
 



You still haven't explained why we should build something that isn't needed.
We build a lot of things that aren't needed.
The airlines are all in debt...who's subsidizing them ?




Soooo, you want to cause all sorts of environmental destruction, waste trillions of dollars, all because the airlines got fucked over by the government?
It wouldn't cost TRILLIONS, first of all, but since you guys like pulling that number out of your asses, why do you never bitch when it's the Pentagon budget ? Or subsidies for nuclear plants that NEVER turn a profit, or when BP or Exxon walk from environmental accountabilty. ?

Yes, it will.

Now to put it into perspective, the California Bullet Train now under construction has already cost over $100 billion, and is expected to if ever completed cost in the area of $500 billion to just go from LA to San Francisco.

That is half a trillion dollars, for a train to go 400 miles. And not even a "hyperloop", just a bullet train like they have been making for decades.

This is where Elron Musk and his fantasy breaks down. Hell, they just finished for over $50 million a slow moving taxi. Heck, remember when it was first announced? The Internet does not forget.

The Vegas Loop – Quick Facts​

  • Includes the Las Vegas Convention Center Loop (LVCC Loop)
  • Total Current Cost: $52-million
  • Travel Speed: 155 mph
  • Estimated Capacity: 4,000 passengers per hour
  • Completion Date: Unknown, but the LVCC Loop is expected to debut January 2021
  • Projected Stops: McCarran International Airport, Allegiant Stadium, Las Vegas Convention Center, Fremont Street Experience, Slotzilla and Garage Mahal at Circa.

155 miles per hour! 4,000 passengers per hour! The greatest thing ever, that will revolutionize the world! Completely autonomous vehicles!

Uhhh, no. It is taxi drivers going at slow speed in a tunnel, 3 passengers at a time.

This is the problem, you are believing all of the hype without applying logic and reasoning, and at least a healthy dose of skepticism. It will cost a great many trillion dollars, because even after all of the money poured into it, it still does not exist.

It exists as much as the flying wing passenger jets that were promised 60 years ago.
California was the worst place to attempt it.
The first high speed line should run between Dallas and San Antonio. Logistically it can be done more easily and affordably in open terrain than say DC to Boston or SF to San Diego.

Atlanta to Miami would be packed every day.

Gasoline is $6 (US) a gallon in Europe and before long it will be that much here and probably $10 there.
 
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You still haven't explained why we should build something that isn't needed.
We build a lot of things that aren't needed.
The airlines are all in debt...who's subsidizing them ?




Soooo, you want to cause all sorts of environmental destruction, waste trillions of dollars, all because the airlines got fucked over by the government?
It wouldn't cost TRILLIONS, first of all, but since you guys like pulling that number out of your asses, why do you never bitch when it's the Pentagon budget ? Or subsidies for nuclear plants that NEVER turn a profit, or when BP or Exxon walk from environmental accountabilty. ?

Yes, it will.

Now to put it into perspective, the California Bullet Train now under construction has already cost over $100 billion, and is expected to if ever completed cost in the area of $500 billion to just go from LA to San Francisco.

That is half a trillion dollars, for a train to go 400 miles. And not even a "hyperloop", just a bullet train like they have been making for decades.

This is where Elron Musk and his fantasy breaks down. Hell, they just finished for over $50 million a slow moving taxi. Heck, remember when it was first announced? The Internet does not forget.

The Vegas Loop – Quick Facts​

  • Includes the Las Vegas Convention Center Loop (LVCC Loop)
  • Total Current Cost: $52-million
  • Travel Speed: 155 mph
  • Estimated Capacity: 4,000 passengers per hour
  • Completion Date: Unknown, but the LVCC Loop is expected to debut January 2021
  • Projected Stops: McCarran International Airport, Allegiant Stadium, Las Vegas Convention Center, Fremont Street Experience, Slotzilla and Garage Mahal at Circa.

155 miles per hour! 4,000 passengers per hour! The greatest thing ever, that will revolutionize the world! Completely autonomous vehicles!

Uhhh, no. It is taxi drivers going at slow speed in a tunnel, 3 passengers at a time.

This is the problem, you are believing all of the hype without applying logic and reasoning, and at least a healthy dose of skepticism. It will cost a great many trillion dollars, because even after all of the money poured into it, it still does not exist.

It exists as much as the flying wing passenger jets that were promised 60 years ago.





buuuut the train doesn't even go from LA to San Fran, it goes from Lancaster/Palmdale, to Tracy CA. So, 65 miles away from LA. And almost 80 miles from SF. Like I said, from nowhere, TO nowhere.
 



You still haven't explained why we should build something that isn't needed.
We build a lot of things that aren't needed.
The airlines are all in debt...who's subsidizing them ?




Soooo, you want to cause all sorts of environmental destruction, waste trillions of dollars, all because the airlines got fucked over by the government?
It wouldn't cost TRILLIONS, first of all, but since you guys like pulling that number out of your asses, why do you never bitch when it's the Pentagon budget ? Or subsidies for nuclear plants that NEVER turn a profit, or when BP or Exxon walk from environmental accountabilty. ?

Yes, it will.

Now to put it into perspective, the California Bullet Train now under construction has already cost over $100 billion, and is expected to if ever completed cost in the area of $500 billion to just go from LA to San Francisco.

That is half a trillion dollars, for a train to go 400 miles. And not even a "hyperloop", just a bullet train like they have been making for decades.

This is where Elron Musk and his fantasy breaks down. Hell, they just finished for over $50 million a slow moving taxi. Heck, remember when it was first announced? The Internet does not forget.

The Vegas Loop – Quick Facts​

  • Includes the Las Vegas Convention Center Loop (LVCC Loop)
  • Total Current Cost: $52-million
  • Travel Speed: 155 mph
  • Estimated Capacity: 4,000 passengers per hour
  • Completion Date: Unknown, but the LVCC Loop is expected to debut January 2021
  • Projected Stops: McCarran International Airport, Allegiant Stadium, Las Vegas Convention Center, Fremont Street Experience, Slotzilla and Garage Mahal at Circa.

155 miles per hour! 4,000 passengers per hour! The greatest thing ever, that will revolutionize the world! Completely autonomous vehicles!

Uhhh, no. It is taxi drivers going at slow speed in a tunnel, 3 passengers at a time.

This is the problem, you are believing all of the hype without applying logic and reasoning, and at least a healthy dose of skepticism. It will cost a great many trillion dollars, because even after all of the money poured into it, it still does not exist.

It exists as much as the flying wing passenger jets that were promised 60 years ago.
California was the worst place to attempt it.
The first high speed line should run between Dallas and San Antonio. Logistically it can be done more easily and affordably in open terrain than say DC to Boston or SF to San Diego.

Gasoline is $6 (US) a gallon in Europe and before long it will be that much here and probably $10 there.





Why? There isn't enough traffic to support that. The only place where a bullet train has a chance is along the NY to DC line. No other place in the USA can support it. And right now, thanks to the covid bullshit, and the exodus from NY, even that line is no longer supportable. Just because you can build something, doesn't mean you SHOULD build something.
 
Angelo Actually, California is one of the best in many ways.

Still lots of open land between the cities. And a major corridor to build it along. But there are also topological features to take into consideration, and they actually started building it without considering how they will overcome them. Kind of like trying to build the Brooklyn Bridge, and only as they were half way through realizing there is a large difference in elevation between the two sides. Or half way through building the Golden Gate Bridge suddenly going "Gee, there is a huge fort on the South side, how are we going to get past that?"

True, California is doing it all wrong, but the challenges of even a 400 mile bullet train are nothing compared to that of the mythical Hyperloop. Might as well try and say the transit solution of the future is going to be flying unicorns, that once at the station can poop flavored ice cream.
 



You still haven't explained why we should build something that isn't needed.
We build a lot of things that aren't needed.
The airlines are all in debt...who's subsidizing them ?




Soooo, you want to cause all sorts of environmental destruction, waste trillions of dollars, all because the airlines got fucked over by the government?
It wouldn't cost TRILLIONS, first of all, but since you guys like pulling that number out of your asses, why do you never bitch when it's the Pentagon budget ? Or subsidies for nuclear plants that NEVER turn a profit, or when BP or Exxon walk from environmental accountabilty. ?

Yes, it will.

Now to put it into perspective, the California Bullet Train now under construction has already cost over $100 billion, and is expected to if ever completed cost in the area of $500 billion to just go from LA to San Francisco.

That is half a trillion dollars, for a train to go 400 miles. And not even a "hyperloop", just a bullet train like they have been making for decades.

This is where Elron Musk and his fantasy breaks down. Hell, they just finished for over $50 million a slow moving taxi. Heck, remember when it was first announced? The Internet does not forget.

The Vegas Loop – Quick Facts​

  • Includes the Las Vegas Convention Center Loop (LVCC Loop)
  • Total Current Cost: $52-million
  • Travel Speed: 155 mph
  • Estimated Capacity: 4,000 passengers per hour
  • Completion Date: Unknown, but the LVCC Loop is expected to debut January 2021
  • Projected Stops: McCarran International Airport, Allegiant Stadium, Las Vegas Convention Center, Fremont Street Experience, Slotzilla and Garage Mahal at Circa.

155 miles per hour! 4,000 passengers per hour! The greatest thing ever, that will revolutionize the world! Completely autonomous vehicles!

Uhhh, no. It is taxi drivers going at slow speed in a tunnel, 3 passengers at a time.

This is the problem, you are believing all of the hype without applying logic and reasoning, and at least a healthy dose of skepticism. It will cost a great many trillion dollars, because even after all of the money poured into it, it still does not exist.

It exists as much as the flying wing passenger jets that were promised 60 years ago.
California was the worst place to attempt it.
The first high speed line should run between Dallas and San Antonio. Logistically it can be done more easily and affordably in open terrain than say DC to Boston or SF to San Diego.

Gasoline is $6 (US) a gallon in Europe and before long it will be that much here and probably $10 there.





Why? There isn't enough traffic to support that. The only place where a bullet train has a chance is along the NY to DC line. No other place in the USA can support it. And right now, thanks to the covid bullshit, and the exodus from NY, even that line is no longer supportable. Just because you can build something, doesn't mean you SHOULD build something.
True. Chicago to NYC too.
Keeping in mind, these ideas should have been implemented decades ago, when it was more feasible--many routes could have been constructed alongside new Interstates, etc....Japan's had them since the 90's.
 



You still haven't explained why we should build something that isn't needed.
We build a lot of things that aren't needed.
The airlines are all in debt...who's subsidizing them ?




Soooo, you want to cause all sorts of environmental destruction, waste trillions of dollars, all because the airlines got fucked over by the government?
It wouldn't cost TRILLIONS, first of all, but since you guys like pulling that number out of your asses, why do you never bitch when it's the Pentagon budget ? Or subsidies for nuclear plants that NEVER turn a profit, or when BP or Exxon walk from environmental accountabilty. ?

Yes, it will.

Now to put it into perspective, the California Bullet Train now under construction has already cost over $100 billion, and is expected to if ever completed cost in the area of $500 billion to just go from LA to San Francisco.

That is half a trillion dollars, for a train to go 400 miles. And not even a "hyperloop", just a bullet train like they have been making for decades.

This is where Elron Musk and his fantasy breaks down. Hell, they just finished for over $50 million a slow moving taxi. Heck, remember when it was first announced? The Internet does not forget.

The Vegas Loop – Quick Facts​

  • Includes the Las Vegas Convention Center Loop (LVCC Loop)
  • Total Current Cost: $52-million
  • Travel Speed: 155 mph
  • Estimated Capacity: 4,000 passengers per hour
  • Completion Date: Unknown, but the LVCC Loop is expected to debut January 2021
  • Projected Stops: McCarran International Airport, Allegiant Stadium, Las Vegas Convention Center, Fremont Street Experience, Slotzilla and Garage Mahal at Circa.

155 miles per hour! 4,000 passengers per hour! The greatest thing ever, that will revolutionize the world! Completely autonomous vehicles!

Uhhh, no. It is taxi drivers going at slow speed in a tunnel, 3 passengers at a time.

This is the problem, you are believing all of the hype without applying logic and reasoning, and at least a healthy dose of skepticism. It will cost a great many trillion dollars, because even after all of the money poured into it, it still does not exist.

It exists as much as the flying wing passenger jets that were promised 60 years ago.
California was the worst place to attempt it.
The first high speed line should run between Dallas and San Antonio. Logistically it can be done more easily and affordably in open terrain than say DC to Boston or SF to San Diego.

Gasoline is $6 (US) a gallon in Europe and before long it will be that much here and probably $10 there.





Why? There isn't enough traffic to support that. The only place where a bullet train has a chance is along the NY to DC line. No other place in the USA can support it. And right now, thanks to the covid bullshit, and the exodus from NY, even that line is no longer supportable. Just because you can build something, doesn't mean you SHOULD build something.
True. Chicago to NYC too.
Keeping in mind, these ideas should have been implemented decades ago, when it was more feasible--many routes could have been constructed alongside new Interstates, etc....Japan's had them since the 90's.






Nope, there isn't enough traffic to warrant a Chicago NYC route either. It is extremely expensive to run high speed trains. There are TWO, worldwide, that can pay for themselves. TWO. If you can't pay for yourself, then you shouldn't be built.
 



You still haven't explained why we should build something that isn't needed.
We build a lot of things that aren't needed.
The airlines are all in debt...who's subsidizing them ?




Soooo, you want to cause all sorts of environmental destruction, waste trillions of dollars, all because the airlines got fucked over by the government?
It wouldn't cost TRILLIONS, first of all, but since you guys like pulling that number out of your asses, why do you never bitch when it's the Pentagon budget ? Or subsidies for nuclear plants that NEVER turn a profit, or when BP or Exxon walk from environmental accountabilty. ?

Yes, it will.

Now to put it into perspective, the California Bullet Train now under construction has already cost over $100 billion, and is expected to if ever completed cost in the area of $500 billion to just go from LA to San Francisco.

That is half a trillion dollars, for a train to go 400 miles. And not even a "hyperloop", just a bullet train like they have been making for decades.

This is where Elron Musk and his fantasy breaks down. Hell, they just finished for over $50 million a slow moving taxi. Heck, remember when it was first announced? The Internet does not forget.

The Vegas Loop – Quick Facts​

  • Includes the Las Vegas Convention Center Loop (LVCC Loop)
  • Total Current Cost: $52-million
  • Travel Speed: 155 mph
  • Estimated Capacity: 4,000 passengers per hour
  • Completion Date: Unknown, but the LVCC Loop is expected to debut January 2021
  • Projected Stops: McCarran International Airport, Allegiant Stadium, Las Vegas Convention Center, Fremont Street Experience, Slotzilla and Garage Mahal at Circa.

155 miles per hour! 4,000 passengers per hour! The greatest thing ever, that will revolutionize the world! Completely autonomous vehicles!

Uhhh, no. It is taxi drivers going at slow speed in a tunnel, 3 passengers at a time.

This is the problem, you are believing all of the hype without applying logic and reasoning, and at least a healthy dose of skepticism. It will cost a great many trillion dollars, because even after all of the money poured into it, it still does not exist.

It exists as much as the flying wing passenger jets that were promised 60 years ago.
California was the worst place to attempt it.
The first high speed line should run between Dallas and San Antonio. Logistically it can be done more easily and affordably in open terrain than say DC to Boston or SF to San Diego.

Atlanta to Miami would be packed every day.

Gasoline is $6 (US) a gallon in Europe and before long it will be that much here and probably $10 there.
No express train from DC to Boston would be possible because people would want to get off along the way and these people would not travel making the line dumb
 

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