The Warmergate Scandal

[CrusaderFrank]

You people won't let anything go, will you? The e-mails have been analyzed, examined, digested, and re-read and even the AP says there is nothing there. But keep dragging it on, along with the GOP hopeful, Flalin Palin.

Why are facts so mean to Libruls?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Once again, this is not Venus, this is Earth, atmospheric CO2 is 380 parts per million; it's a rounding error. That's .038%. Yet Warmers act as if it's some deadly Amazonian poison where even a deminimus increase would bring instant death to the planet.

 

[Ame®icano]

I thought science is about proving or disproving certain claims rather than settling on most possible result. When science settle, that’s a sign they don't know what real result is. Otherwise, they would prove or disprove the theory. It's interesting when you have two groups of scientists claiming they are both right.

Some 50 years ago, scientists did similar thing with gamma ray signals from space and all of them but one scientist agreed on most possible answer among several others. All but one... Bohdan Paczynski (Princeton) and that one was trashed, called denier, lost his job, until there was a proof that he was right all along. Anyone remembers that one?

That's what's happening when science settle. Seems familiar?

 

[saveliberty]

You people won't let anything go, will you? The e-mails have been analyzed, examined, digested, and re-read and even the AP says there is nothing there. But keep dragging it on, along with the GOP hopeful, Flalin Palin.

By reporters JimH52. Read the AP article.

 

[Liability]

You people won't let anything go, will you? The e-mails have been analyzed, examined, digested, and re-read and even the AP says there is nothing there. But keep dragging it on, along with the GOP hopeful, Flalin Palin.

By reporters JimH52. Read the AP article.

The fox who was assigned the job of guarding the hen-house was later accused by the hens of being responsible for killing and devouring several of their number. These allegations were thoroughly investigated by other foxes. The foxes concluded that the hens' allegations were "unfounded."

There you have it. The fox just got a bum rap. The foxes investigated and they SAID so!

 

[concept]

Libs never seem to mention the DATA that was also released from Hadley.

And its that data that shows the lie. Even more than the incriminating emails.

And lets not forget New Zealand where they they foun d the same thing.



Poor dishonest libs. You sure got the crap kicked out of you on this.

 

[Toronado3800]

So anyway, what do greenhouse gasses do to the amount of heat retained in an atmosphere?

Also I'm wondering if them shipping companies are lying about that northern route opening up. Perhaps they're in on the scam....

 

[concept]

So anyway, what do greenhouse gasses do to the amount of heat retained in an atmosphere?

Also I'm wondering if them shipping companies are lying about that northern route opening up. Perhaps they're in on the scam....

It's been OPEN since 1934.

Climate claim falls foul of advertising regulator - Short Sharp Science - New Scientist

The Northeast Passage - a trade route linking North European and Siberian ports to Asia in summer months - has been open since 1934, according to The Register, and was made available as a route for international traffic after the fall of the Soviet Union.

 

[Toronado3800]

But the current thaw is already real enough for the four million people who live in the Arctic, including about 150,000 Inuit. "As long as it's ice," said Sheila Watt-Cloutier, leader of a transnational Inuit group, "nobody cares except us, because we hunt and fish and travel on that ice. However, the minute it starts to thaw and becomes water, then the whole world is interested."

NY Times sprawling article

I have my doubts. Think your article is confusing issues with seasonal differences.

 

[Old Rocks]

So anyway, what do greenhouse gasses do to the amount of heat retained in an atmosphere?

Also I'm wondering if them shipping companies are lying about that northern route opening up. Perhaps they're in on the scam....

It's been OPEN since 1934.

Climate claim falls foul of advertising regulator - Short Sharp Science - New Scientist

The Northeast Passage - a trade route linking North European and Siberian ports to Asia in summer months - has been open since 1934, according to The Register, and was made available as a route for international traffic after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Open provided you had a large Ice Breaker ahead of you.

A triumph for man, a disaster for mankind - Climate Change, Environment - The Independent

We are all very proud and delighted to be the first Western shipping company to have successfully transited the legendary North-east Passage and delivered a sensitive cargo safely through this extraordinarily demanding sea area," he said. He also estimated that the path had saved $92,000 (£55,000) worth of fuel for each ship.

Despite global warming, the Northeast Passage is still seriously hampered by hundred-mile long swathes of shifting pack ice that extend southwards from the North Pole even in summer. The islands off the north coast of Siberia also contain glaciers which cast icebergs into the warming waters of the passage with increasing frequency.

In 1983 a Russian ship was crushed by pack ice it encountered in the passage in the middle of summer. However, the Russian Transport Ministry which operates a fleet of six nuclear powered-ice-breakers to assist Russian and other coastal commercial ships, says that in recent summers the route has rarely been completely impassable. "The ice conditions were far more severe 20 years ago," a spokesman said.

The voyage of the two Beluga vessels was certainly no picnic. Although not thoroughbred ice-breakers themselves, both ships were designed to cope with ice-strewn waters and were accompanied by at least one Russian nuclear ice-breaker during the whole of the trip. The two ships encountered snow, fog, ice floes, and treacherous icebergs which showed only about one meter of their huge underwater volume on the sea's surface.

 

[concept]

So anyway, what do greenhouse gasses do to the amount of heat retained in an atmosphere?

Also I'm wondering if them shipping companies are lying about that northern route opening up. Perhaps they're in on the scam....

It's been OPEN since 1934.

Climate claim falls foul of advertising regulator - Short Sharp Science - New Scientist

The Northeast Passage - a trade route linking North European and Siberian ports to Asia in summer months - has been open since 1934, according to The Register, and was made available as a route for international traffic after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Open provided you had a large Ice Breaker ahead of you.

A triumph for man, a disaster for mankind - Climate Change, Environment - The Independent

We are all very proud and delighted to be the first Western shipping company to have successfully transited the legendary North-east Passage and delivered a sensitive cargo safely through this extraordinarily demanding sea area," he said. He also estimated that the path had saved $92,000 (£55,000) worth of fuel for each ship.

Despite global warming, the Northeast Passage is still seriously hampered by hundred-mile long swathes of shifting pack ice that extend southwards from the North Pole even in summer. The islands off the north coast of Siberia also contain glaciers which cast icebergs into the warming waters of the passage with increasing frequency.

In 1983 a Russian ship was crushed by pack ice it encountered in the passage in the middle of summer. However, the Russian Transport Ministry which operates a fleet of six nuclear powered-ice-breakers to assist Russian and other coastal commercial ships, says that in recent summers the route has rarely been completely impassable. "The ice conditions were far more severe 20 years ago," a spokesman said.

The voyage of the two Beluga vessels was certainly no picnic. Although not thoroughbred ice-breakers themselves, both ships were designed to cope with ice-strewn waters and were accompanied by at least one Russian nuclear ice-breaker during the whole of the trip. The two ships encountered snow, fog, ice floes, and treacherous icebergs which showed only about one meter of their huge underwater volume on the sea's surface.

Open since 1934.


Get a grip.

 

[Big Fitz]

You people won't let anything go, will you? The e-mails have been analyzed, examined, digested, and re-read and even the AP says there is nothing there. But keep dragging it on, along with the GOP hopeful, Flalin Palin.

Why are facts so mean to Libruls?

Because truth never obeys them. It exposes them.

 

[Big Fitz]

So anyway, what do greenhouse gasses do to the amount of heat retained in an atmosphere?

Also I'm wondering if them shipping companies are lying about that northern route opening up. Perhaps they're in on the scam....

It's been OPEN since 1934.

Climate claim falls foul of advertising regulator - Short Sharp Science - New Scientist

The Northeast Passage - a trade route linking North European and Siberian ports to Asia in summer months - has been open since 1934, according to The Register, and was made available as a route for international traffic after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Open provided you had a large Ice Breaker ahead of you.

A triumph for man, a disaster for mankind - Climate Change, Environment - The Independent

We are all very proud and delighted to be the first Western shipping company to have successfully transited the legendary North-east Passage and delivered a sensitive cargo safely through this extraordinarily demanding sea area," he said. He also estimated that the path had saved $92,000 (£55,000) worth of fuel for each ship.

Despite global warming, the Northeast Passage is still seriously hampered by hundred-mile long swathes of shifting pack ice that extend southwards from the North Pole even in summer. The islands off the north coast of Siberia also contain glaciers which cast icebergs into the warming waters of the passage with increasing frequency.

In 1983 a Russian ship was crushed by pack ice it encountered in the passage in the middle of summer. However, the Russian Transport Ministry which operates a fleet of six nuclear powered-ice-breakers to assist Russian and other coastal commercial ships, says that in recent summers the route has rarely been completely impassable. "The ice conditions were far more severe 20 years ago," a spokesman said.

The voyage of the two Beluga vessels was certainly no picnic. Although not thoroughbred ice-breakers themselves, both ships were designed to cope with ice-strewn waters and were accompanied by at least one Russian nuclear ice-breaker during the whole of the trip. The two ships encountered snow, fog, ice floes, and treacherous icebergs which showed only about one meter of their huge underwater volume on the sea's surface.

And? So? 120 years ago, the Thames froze over in the winter. Still not man's fault.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Libs never seem to mention the DATA that was also released from Hadley.

And its that data that shows the lie. Even more than the incriminating emails.

And lets not forget New Zealand where they they foun d the same thing.



Poor dishonest libs. You sure got the crap kicked out of you on this.

Why are facts so cruel to Warmers?

 

[Toronado3800]

And? So? 120 years ago, the Thames froze over in the winter. Still not man's fault.

Who knows if the new opening is man's fault or not. Conservative old me is going to sit here and worry about if it is and despite the time I spend on the computer I'm not lazy so I'm going to do something about it.

Is hiding from greenhouse gas regulations like a man sitting here drinking beers knowing how many calories they have and looking at his stomach wondering why he isn't thinner?

I mean, we don't KNOW its the calories from the beer making him fat (greenhouse gasses melting ice). We know what calories do(yup, we know greenhouse gasses hold in heat). Perhaps its more his sedentary life style(heck, the solar cycle could be changing TOMORROW!). Still though how many beers should he be dumping in his system.

 

[Big Fitz]

Is hiding from greenhouse gas regulations like a man sitting here drinking beers knowing how many calories they have and looking at his stomach wondering why he isn't thinner?

Ummm. No. Not equivalent. Not even remotely.

 

[concept]

Libs never seem to mention the DATA that was also released from Hadley.

And its that data that shows the lie. Even more than the incriminating emails.

And lets not forget New Zealand where they they foun d the same thing.



Poor dishonest libs. You sure got the crap kicked out of you on this.

Why are facts so cruel to Warmers?

They are in denial.

 

[Oddball]

And the hits on CRU just keep on a-coming.

The Institute of Physics, a society of more than 36,000, submits a scathing report to the British Parliamentary Inquiry into the scandal...

What are the implications of the disclosures for the integrity of scientific research?



1. The Institute is concerned that, unless the disclosed e-mails are proved to be forgeries or adaptations, worrying implications arise for the integrity of scientific research in this field and for the credibility of the scientific method as practised in this context.



2. The CRU e-mails as published on the internet provide prima facie evidence of determined and co-ordinated refusals to comply with honourable scientific traditions and freedom of information law. The principle that scientists should be willing to expose their ideas and results to independent testing and replication by others, which requires the open exchange of data, procedures and materials, is vital. The lack of compliance has been confirmed by the findings of the Information Commissioner. This extends well beyond the CRU itself - most of the e-mails were exchanged with researchers in a number of other international institutions who are also involved in the formulation of the IPCC's conclusions on climate change.

The entire report HERE.

 

[Si modo]

A bit dated (December), but I couldn't agree more with this:

An Insult to All Science – Are We Beyond Reproach?

By Guest Author on December 23rd, 2009

By Nancy Neale

How do we know our medication is effective; that our vehicle is safe; that the bungee cord in our jump will not break? Most of the population has taken it on faith – faith in the integrity of the scientists – that these questions have been sufficiently studied and answered. And they have been, through effective communication of science in the scientific community. Knowledge is consistently exchanged using our currency, peer-review, until the point where the public benefits from the application of science in our everyday lives. We’ve had faith in the value of that currency, until now.

A few weeks ago, emails reportedly from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in England were published on the internet. With any illegally obtained information, the credibility of the contents should be questioned. However, if these published emails are genuine, the contents indicate a scandal in the climate science community that is an insult to the integrity of the entire scientific community. It’s an insult to truth.

Many scientists have had suspicions about the state of the climate science and the overstated solidity of its predictive ability for some time. I am not a ‘denier’, whatever a denier denies; but I, along with several others have been asking questions about the peer-reviewed science. We cannot conflate climate scientists with environmentalists and activists, though. The latter two have compiled predictive models by the former and asserted that we are headed for doom and destruction if extreme environmental policies are not enacted immediately. Many scientists and critical thinkers have dared ask fundamental questions, though. We have questioned whether the state of the science can allow any definitive conclusion about the significance of anthropogenic carbon dioxide on global warming, let alone its ability to predict future effects.

Climate scientists peddling predictive models, and the environmentalists who have compiled them, present these models where almost any combination of datasets are consistent with the predictive model indicating near disaster. The Third Assessment Report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has the most celebrity in that predictive science. Climatologist Roger Pielke, for example, has demonstrated that there has yet to be a dataset that is not consistent with these models. The prediction scientists rarely articulate a hypothetical dataset that would be inconsistent with a predictive model. A hypothesis or theory is falsifiable, thus scientific, if it can be both verified and falsified through physical experiments and/or observations. If there exists no dataset for which the IPCC predictive models are inconsistent, the model was never scientific. Where is the demarcation of predictive climate science and pseudo-science if there is no falsifiability?

Other indications and warnings that the science is less than solid have been there as well. A rhetorical analysis of many of the reports indicates that the focus on the science and logic have taken a back seat to a focus on the source and emotions, combining near sophistry and propaganda with bandwagon (consensus) and post hoc ergo propter hoc (correlation as causation) fallacies in logic, for example. When presenting science, if the primary tools of rhetoric are not the science and logic, we should immediately probe further into the actual science.

With the allegedly hacked emails, there is apparent evidence of manipulation, fabrication, and suppression of data; collusion to marginalize colleagues who ask and publications who publish valid scientific questions; and manipulation of our currency of knowledge exchange, the peer-review process.

We all should value scientific integrity, but all scientists must value it above all else if there is to be continued growth of scientific knowledge. Unfortunately, this discipline of science has been so soiled by politics that the lines between science and politics are gone. This scandal is an insult to the integrity of all scientists and a devaluation of our currency of peer-review. (more) ....

Nancy Neale, former professor of Chemistry, is a guest Liberty Features Syndicate writer for Americans for Limited Government.

An Insult to All Science ? Are We Beyond Reproach? by Nancy Neale | Climate Realists

 

[California Girl]

A bit dated (December), but I couldn't agree more with this:

An Insult to All Science – Are We Beyond Reproach?

By Guest Author on December 23rd, 2009

By Nancy Neale

How do we know our medication is effective; that our vehicle is safe; that the bungee cord in our jump will not break? Most of the population has taken it on faith – faith in the integrity of the scientists – that these questions have been sufficiently studied and answered. And they have been, through effective communication of science in the scientific community. Knowledge is consistently exchanged using our currency, peer-review, until the point where the public benefits from the application of science in our everyday lives. We’ve had faith in the value of that currency, until now.

A few weeks ago, emails reportedly from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in England were published on the internet. With any illegally obtained information, the credibility of the contents should be questioned. However, if these published emails are genuine, the contents indicate a scandal in the climate science community that is an insult to the integrity of the entire scientific community. It’s an insult to truth.

Many scientists have had suspicions about the state of the climate science and the overstated solidity of its predictive ability for some time. I am not a ‘denier’, whatever a denier denies; but I, along with several others have been asking questions about the peer-reviewed science. We cannot conflate climate scientists with environmentalists and activists, though. The latter two have compiled predictive models by the former and asserted that we are headed for doom and destruction if extreme environmental policies are not enacted immediately. Many scientists and critical thinkers have dared ask fundamental questions, though. We have questioned whether the state of the science can allow any definitive conclusion about the significance of anthropogenic carbon dioxide on global warming, let alone its ability to predict future effects.

Climate scientists peddling predictive models, and the environmentalists who have compiled them, present these models where almost any combination of datasets are consistent with the predictive model indicating near disaster. The Third Assessment Report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has the most celebrity in that predictive science. Climatologist Roger Pielke, for example, has demonstrated that there has yet to be a dataset that is not consistent with these models. The prediction scientists rarely articulate a hypothetical dataset that would be inconsistent with a predictive model. A hypothesis or theory is falsifiable, thus scientific, if it can be both verified and falsified through physical experiments and/or observations. If there exists no dataset for which the IPCC predictive models are inconsistent, the model was never scientific. Where is the demarcation of predictive climate science and pseudo-science if there is no falsifiability?

Other indications and warnings that the science is less than solid have been there as well. A rhetorical analysis of many of the reports indicates that the focus on the science and logic have taken a back seat to a focus on the source and emotions, combining near sophistry and propaganda with bandwagon (consensus) and post hoc ergo propter hoc (correlation as causation) fallacies in logic, for example. When presenting science, if the primary tools of rhetoric are not the science and logic, we should immediately probe further into the actual science.

With the allegedly hacked emails, there is apparent evidence of manipulation, fabrication, and suppression of data; collusion to marginalize colleagues who ask and publications who publish valid scientific questions; and manipulation of our currency of knowledge exchange, the peer-review process.

We all should value scientific integrity, but all scientists must value it above all else if there is to be continued growth of scientific knowledge. Unfortunately, this discipline of science has been so soiled by politics that the lines between science and politics are gone. This scandal is an insult to the integrity of all scientists and a devaluation of our currency of peer-review. (more) ....

Nancy Neale, former professor of Chemistry, is a guest Liberty Features Syndicate writer for Americans for Limited Government.

An Insult to All Science ? Are We Beyond Reproach? by Nancy Neale | Climate Realists

What a well written piece. Some scientists are just not capable of writing in a language that the layperson can understand. (Yay for that cuz I get work from those dudes!!! ). The author makes some very important points about the separation of science and state.