The Warmergate Scandal

[Big Fitz]

This thread is highly entertaining.

We got the liars on the far left telling us the world is going to end
We got the liars on the far right saying there is no problem its all a scam

Then we got the sane people who say "if the scientists are telling us CO2 leads to a warmer climate, yet CO2 levels have risen steadily over the last 10 years while temps remained flat, is that science still solid?"

Flame away you lying moonbats on both sides, the normal and smart people see you for who you are.

Fact: The climate changes. We have evidence of this for the entire history of the planet.
Fact: Man is too insignificant to do a damn thing about it. A single volcanic eruption out does us in days.
Fact: We have only 2 choices to this issue -- adapt or die. Just like the dinosaurs. We cannot affect climate in the short or long term except locally.
Fact: The purveyors of man-made climate change have been shown to be liars looking to line their own pocket and push a political agenda.

The only moonbats I see are the ones who believe that global fascism (let's just call it what it is) is the only solution to this. They are so delusional as to believe mankind can actually do more than poison themselves and other species, and most rational people used to be able to ignore them. Unfortunately they have snuck into the halls of power like rats in the walls, and now we have to get an exterminator to help deal with this vermin problem.

 

[Zander]

This thread is highly entertaining.

We got the liars on the far left telling us the world is going to end
We got the liars on the far right saying there is no problem its all a scam

Then we got the sane people who say "if the scientists are telling us CO2 leads to a warmer climate, yet CO2 levels have risen steadily over the last 10 years while temps remained flat, is that science still solid?"

Flame away you lying moonbats on both sides, the normal and smart people see you for who you are.

Fact: The climate changes. We have evidence of this for the entire history of the planet.
Fact: Man is too insignificant to do a damn thing about it. A single volcanic eruption out does us in days.
Fact: We have only 2 choices to this issue -- adapt or die. Just like the dinosaurs. We cannot affect climate in the short or long term except locally.
Fact: The purveyors of man-made climate change have been shown to be liars looking to line their own pocket and push a political agenda.

The only moonbats I see are the ones who believe that global fascism (let's just call it what it is) is the only solution to this. They are so delusional as to believe mankind can actually do more than poison themselves and other species, and most rational people used to be able to ignore them. Unfortunately they have snuck into the halls of power like rats in the walls, and now we have to get an exterminator to help deal with this vermin problem.

Sums up the situation very well!

 

[Ame®icano]

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

This thread is highly entertaining.

We got the liars on the far left telling us the world is going to end
We got the liars on the far right saying there is no problem its all a scam

Then we got the sane people who say "if the scientists are telling us CO2 leads to a warmer climate, yet CO2 levels have risen steadily over the last 10 years while temps remained flat, is that science still solid?"

Flame away you lying moonbats on both sides, the normal and smart people see you for who you are.

Fact: The climate changes. We have evidence of this for the entire history of the planet.
Fact: Man is too insignificant to do a damn thing about it. A single volcanic eruption out does us in days.
Fact: We have only 2 choices to this issue -- adapt or die. Just like the dinosaurs. We cannot affect climate in the short or long term except locally.
Fact: The purveyors of man-made climate change have been shown to be liars looking to line their own pocket and push a political agenda.

The only moonbats I see are the ones who believe that global fascism (let's just call it what it is) is the only solution to this. They are so delusional as to believe mankind can actually do more than poison themselves and other species, and most rational people used to be able to ignore them. Unfortunately they have snuck into the halls of power like rats in the walls, and now we have to get an exterminator to help deal with this vermin problem.

I can't find anything I disagree with in your post.

 

[Big Fitz]

This thread is highly entertaining.

We got the liars on the far left telling us the world is going to end
We got the liars on the far right saying there is no problem its all a scam

Then we got the sane people who say "if the scientists are telling us CO2 leads to a warmer climate, yet CO2 levels have risen steadily over the last 10 years while temps remained flat, is that science still solid?"

Flame away you lying moonbats on both sides, the normal and smart people see you for who you are.

Fact: The climate changes. We have evidence of this for the entire history of the planet.
Fact: Man is too insignificant to do a damn thing about it. A single volcanic eruption out does us in days.
Fact: We have only 2 choices to this issue -- adapt or die. Just like the dinosaurs. We cannot affect climate in the short or long term except locally.
Fact: The purveyors of man-made climate change have been shown to be liars looking to line their own pocket and push a political agenda.

The only moonbats I see are the ones who believe that global fascism (let's just call it what it is) is the only solution to this. They are so delusional as to believe mankind can actually do more than poison themselves and other species, and most rational people used to be able to ignore them. Unfortunately they have snuck into the halls of power like rats in the walls, and now we have to get an exterminator to help deal with this vermin problem.

I can't find anything I disagree with in your post.

WOOT!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

[SIZE=+1]The storm of stupidity[/SIZE]
Climate change deniers fight against science
by Gene Lyons
Link
Excerpt:
So what's next? A series of essays by Sarah Palin about the Large Hadron Collider and the mysteries of dark matter? An MIT lecture series by Rush Limbaugh regarding the thermodynamics of black holes? A Festschrift of Sean Hannity's scholarly articles on plate tectonics and volcano formation? Glenn Beck performing live heart-lung transplants on Fox News? Everybody understands that these things couldn't happen. That when it comes to serious scientific endeavor, years of study and professional apprenticeship are required. In a word, expertise. Ex-beauty contestants, drive-time DJs, TV sports announcers, hairstylists, newspaper columnists -- basically anybody whose math skills topped out in the 10th grade -- rarely have anything substantive to add to the sum of technical and scientific knowledge. That's what they most resent about it. It's not impossible that such persons could educate themselves sufficiently to have an informed opinion, but it's rare.

"How would you like your data cooked?" Motto of East Angelia College, as a true University it's little more than a pimple on the worlds ass, but the Epicenter for the Greatest Scientific Hoax in Human History.

 

[Liability]

[SIZE=+1]The storm of stupidity[/SIZE]
Climate change deniers fight against science
by Gene Lyons
Link
Excerpt:
So what's next? A series of essays by Sarah Palin about the Large Hadron Collider and the mysteries of dark matter? An MIT lecture series by Rush Limbaugh regarding the thermodynamics of black holes? A Festschrift of Sean Hannity's scholarly articles on plate tectonics and volcano formation? Glenn Beck performing live heart-lung transplants on Fox News? Everybody understands that these things couldn't happen. That when it comes to serious scientific endeavor, years of study and professional apprenticeship are required. In a word, expertise. Ex-beauty contestants, drive-time DJs, TV sports announcers, hairstylists, newspaper columnists -- basically anybody whose math skills topped out in the 10th grade -- rarely have anything substantive to add to the sum of technical and scientific knowledge. That's what they most resent about it. It's not impossible that such persons could educate themselves sufficiently to have an informed opinion, but it's rare.

"How would you like your data cooked?" Motto of East Angelia College, as a true University it's little more than a pimple on the worlds ass, but the Epicenter for the Greatest Scientific Hoax in Human History.

WELL DONE!

No, I mean, that's how data should be cooked!



I prefer that it be uncooked, personally. But the intelligentsia of the academic world of AGW in East Anglia and elsewhere seemingly diagree.

 

[concept]

877 Records set or tied in the US in the last week...

877 new snowfall records set or tied in the USA in the last week « Watts Up With That?

Yeah one of the coldest Decembers on record.

 

[Annie]

And the scientists who care about methods, well they keep working on this:

Announcing The Timeline, “ClimateGate: 30 years in the making” « JoNova

Here’s a Spectacular Poster of ClimateGate Covering 3 Decades
You have to see this to believe it. Look up close and admire the detail while you despair at how long science has been going off the rails. To better appreciate the past and what was exposed by the CRU emails, the Timeline chart consolidates and chronologically organizes the information uncovered and published about the CRU emails by many researchers along with some related contextual events. That the chart exists at all is yet another example of how skilled experts are flocking in to the skeptics’ position and dedicating hours of time pro bono because they are passionately motivated to fight against those who try to deceive us.

Click on the image to see it enlarged, but download the full PDF to see the detail.
Download The PDF (788k)

Mohib Ebrahim has created this amazing document. I’ve produced a permanent Home page for this beautiful poster that will host the latest updates as a PDF. There are also printable versions in A4, A3, A2, US Letter and US Tabloid for those of you (like me) who need printed versions on which scribble, and scrawl exclamation marks....

 

[JimH52]

You people won't let anything go, will you? The e-mails have been analyzed, examined, digested, and re-read and even the AP says there is nothing there. But keep dragging it on, along with the GOP hopeful, Flalin Palin.

 

[Annie]

You people won't let anything go, will you? The e-mails have been analyzed, examined, digested, and re-read and even the AP says there is nothing there. But keep dragging it on, along with the GOP hopeful, Flalin Palin.

and you spell denial, how?

 

[Liability]

You people won't let anything go, will you? The e-mails have been analyzed, examined, digested, and re-read and even the AP says there is nothing there. But keep dragging it on, along with the GOP hopeful, Flalin Palin.

and you spell denial, how?

"AP"



"even the AP says"

 

[Old Rocks]

After all the yap-yap, the warming continues. And it is not made up. The Melting of the Permafrost, the melting of the North Polar Ice. The extreme drought on several continents.

The temperatures are high at a time we should have seen a marked decrease in the temperatures. If you look at a graph of the past temperatures, you see periods of rising, and periods of falling temperatures over the last 150 years. Each time, the temperatures have risen higher than the previous peak. So, with the most marked solar minimum that we have seen in this weather record, and a strong and persistant La Nina in 2008, and 2009, we should have seen years that at least were in the middle of the 150 year record. What we see, is 2008 as 9th or 10th warmest year on record, and 2009 as the 5th warmest year on record.

So how does that square with all of your statements? First, you say the sun is the driver, then when the sun is at a solar minimum, and we are still in the warmest decade on record, so what is the why of that? Couldn't be because the amount of anthropogenic GHGs in the atmosphere is simply too great for a very minor decrease in TSI to make any differance, could it?

Remember, one of the predictions concerning the climate change that we are experiancing is that the weather swings will be wider and wilder, with an overall all warming trend.

 

[concept]

You people won't let anything go, will you? The e-mails have been analyzed, examined, digested, and re-read and even the AP says there is nothing there. But keep dragging it on, along with the GOP hopeful, Flalin Palin.

The AP?

Have they looked at the data that was also released? That's where the real damage is done.

 

[concept]

After all the yap-yap, the warming continues. And it is not made up. The Melting of the Permafrost, the melting of the North Polar Ice. The extreme drought on several continents.

The temperatures are high at a time we should have seen a marked decrease in the temperatures. If you look at a graph of the past temperatures, you see periods of rising, and periods of falling temperatures over the last 150 years. Each time, the temperatures have risen higher than the previous peak. So, with the most marked solar minimum that we have seen in this weather record, and a strong and persistant La Nina in 2008, and 2009, we should have seen years that at least were in the middle of the 150 year record. What we see, is 2008 as 9th or 10th warmest year on record, and 2009 as the 5th warmest year on record.

So how does that square with all of your statements? First, you say the sun is the driver, then when the sun is at a solar minimum, and we are still in the warmest decade on record, so what is the why of that? Couldn't be because the amount of anthropogenic GHGs in the atmosphere is simply too great for a very minor decrease in TSI to make any differance, could it?

Remember, one of the predictions concerning the climate change that we are experiancing is that the weather swings will be wider and wilder, with an overall all warming trend.

Record cold temperatures.


But the warming continues...

 

[saveliberty]

You people won't let anything go, will you? The e-mails have been analyzed, examined, digested, and re-read and even the AP says there is nothing there. But keep dragging it on, along with the GOP hopeful, Flalin Palin.

Gee there were a bunch of dimwits here just a week or so ago, claiming only real scientists could make such determinations. Now some AP reporters are just fine and dandy to do a complete analysis.

The Southern ice caps have 90% of the world's ice in them and they are growing. Too bad you didn't show up earlier however, you might have been able to save the polar bears there. If you hurry maybe you can preserve the penguins at the North Pole huh?

 

[Annie]

Interesting how none of our MSM is covering this, but others world wide keep at it:

The questions Dr Pachauri still has to answer - Telegraph

The questions Dr Pachauri still has to answer
At the least, Dr Rajendra Pachauri's IPCC position as the world's "top climate official" has been earning a substantial income for Teri, the institute he runs.

By Christopher Booker
Published: 6:01PM GMT 26 Dec 2009

...

In last week's Sunday Telegraph Richard North and I wrote an article revealing the worldwide business interests of Dr Rajendra Pachauri who, as chairman since 2002 of the UN's Inter governmental Panel on Climate Change, is the world's "top climate official". Our report was picked up by newspapers and blogs across the world, and was even the basis for a question put to Ban Ki-moon, the UN's Secretary General, at a New York press conference. But nowhere did it provoke a greater storm than in India, where Dr Pachauri is director-general of The Energy and Resources Institute (Teri), based in New Delhi, the country's most influential private body involved in climate-change issues and renewable energy. In addition, as we reported, Dr Pachauri also holds more than a score of positions with banks, universities and other institutions that benefit from the vast worldwide industry now based on measures to halt climate change....

There's lots more, all of it damning.

 

[saveliberty]

Interesting how none of our MSM is covering this, but others world wide keep at it:

The questions Dr Pachauri still has to answer - Telegraph

The questions Dr Pachauri still has to answer
At the least, Dr Rajendra Pachauri's IPCC position as the world's "top climate official" has been earning a substantial income for Teri, the institute he runs.

By Christopher Booker
Published: 6:01PM GMT 26 Dec 2009

...

In last week's Sunday Telegraph Richard North and I wrote an article revealing the worldwide business interests of Dr Rajendra Pachauri who, as chairman since 2002 of the UN's Inter governmental Panel on Climate Change, is the world's "top climate official". Our report was picked up by newspapers and blogs across the world, and was even the basis for a question put to Ban Ki-moon, the UN's Secretary General, at a New York press conference. But nowhere did it provoke a greater storm than in India, where Dr Pachauri is director-general of The Energy and Resources Institute (Teri), based in New Delhi, the country's most influential private body involved in climate-change issues and renewable energy. In addition, as we reported, Dr Pachauri also holds more than a score of positions with banks, universities and other institutions that benefit from the vast worldwide industry now based on measures to halt climate change....

There's lots more, all of it damning.

The whole thing reminds me of a college football scandal. First its an arrest of a player, then alumni cash to players, the coach illegally recruits and even the academic records of the players come back cooked. One giant cancer.

 

[channoff]

After all the yap-yap, the warming continues. And it is not made up. The Melting of the Permafrost, the melting of the North Polar Ice. The extreme drought on several continents.

The temperatures are high at a time we should have seen a marked decrease in the temperatures. If you look at a graph of the past temperatures, you see periods of rising, and periods of falling temperatures over the last 150 years. Each time, the temperatures have risen higher than the previous peak. So, with the most marked solar minimum that we have seen in this weather record, and a strong and persistant La Nina in 2008, and 2009, we should have seen years that at least were in the middle of the 150 year record. What we see, is 2008 as 9th or 10th warmest year on record, and 2009 as the 5th warmest year on record.

So how does that square with all of your statements? First, you say the sun is the driver, then when the sun is at a solar minimum, and we are still in the warmest decade on record, so what is the why of that? Couldn't be because the amount of anthropogenic GHGs in the atmosphere is simply too great for a very minor decrease in TSI to make any differance, could it?

Remember, one of the predictions concerning the climate change that we are experiancing is that the weather swings will be wider and wilder, with an overall all warming trend.

You realize that there is a 7 to 9 year lag in temperature behind solar minima and maxima, right???? It should be 2014 before we see any effect from this minimum. but I'm sure you already knew that.

 

[Oddball]

Old Rocksinthehead only knows what a bunch of people that he claims are smarter than any of us say.....If they don't say it, then it cannot be true.