The United States IS a Christian Nation

[Lonestar_logic]

SmarterThanHick

Where do our "inalienable rights" come from?

How come all fifty states' preambles mention God?

Article. VII, US Constitution:

"Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven"

Our National Anthem includes these words:

Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner forever shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]
James Madison

First off Dim Bulb/No Logic, you may wish to actually research things before you post them.........no, Glenn Blech isn't right, you should verify facts before posting.

"Year of Our Lord" refers to ANY YEAR IN ANY COUNTRY THAT USES THE GREGORIAN CALENDAR!

As far as the "In God We Trust"? Might wanna check this out........

In God We Trust is the official motto of the United States and the U.S. state of Florida. The motto first appeared on a United States coin in 1864 during strong Christian sentiment emerging during the Civil War, but In God We Trust did not become the official U.S. national motto until after the passage of an Act of Congress in 1956.[1][2] It is codified as federal law in the United States Code at 36 U.S.C. § 302, which provides: "In God we trust" is the national motto".

In God We Trust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So no.......our money did not have that motto until some rabid ultra devout Christians got their fingers in the pie around the latter part of the 1800's.

Try again. You fail.

Both and dumberthanarock are wrong.

Anno Domini (sometimes found in the irregular form Anno Domine), abbreviated as AD or A.D., and Before Christ, abbreviated as BC or B.C., are designations used to number years in the Julian and Gregorian calendars. The calendar era to which they refer is based on the traditionally reckoned year of the conception or birth of Jesus, with AD denoting years after the start of this epoch, and BC denoting years before the start of this epoch. There is no year zero in this scheme, so the year AD 1 immediately follows the year 1 BC.

The Gregorian calendar, and the year numbering system associated with it, is the calendar system with the most widespread usage in the world today. For decades, it has been the unofficial global standard, recognized by international institutions such as the United Nations and the Universal Postal Union. It is also a basis of scholarly dating, though some people adopt the Common/Christian Era labels, retaining the same numeric values but using the label "CE" (Common/Christian Era) instead of "AD", and "BCE" (Before the Common/Christian Era) instead of "BC".

 

[ABikerSailor]

What the fuck does some dumb redneck cow breeder know about things anyway?

You were wrong about the "year of our Lord" stuff, you're wrong about the "In God We Trust" slogan as well.

Tuck your tail betwixt your legs, and go home and lick your wounds. You've been pwned.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

oh come on, I just showed that the "quote" you based the largest part of your argument on was a result of religiousn nutjobs making things up and you gullible believing that garbage, and the only thing you can say in response is that I fail?

Actually that quote wasn't the largest part of my argument, but nice try.

The fact that the Declaration of Independence, the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution as well as every states preamble mentions God is enough for any fair minded individual to see that our forefathers for the most part were indeed religious men. And it would be safe to assume that their faith helped shape the constitution.

 

[HUGGY]

SmarterThanHick

Where do our "inalienable rights" come from?

How come all fifty states' preambles mention God?

Article. VII, US Constitution:

"Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven"

Our National Anthem includes these words:

Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner forever shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]
James Madison

Woah...cowgirl! Stow the we and use the me. There are a hell of as lot of people that would like to toss your dumb christian asses on a boat and send ya packing back to wherever your stupid christianity came from. Lets clear some more land in the mid east and let you whahoouus set up shop right next to where Jesus walked. I am soooo tired of you christian assholes thinking you can run MY country.

 

[ABikerSailor]

the year of our Lord

1. (archaic or religious) Of the Common Era; anno Domini; numbered from the once estimated first year for the birth of Jesus.

[edit] Synonyms

* (of the Common Era): a.d., AD, A.D., anno Domini, annō Domini, Anno Domini, CE, Common Era

[edit] Antonyms

* (of the Common Era): b.c., BC, B.C., BCE

year of our Lord - Wiktionary

Hey cow fucker.......you're WRONG!!!!

 

[JakeStarkey]

oh come on, I just showed that the "quote" you based the largest part of your argument on was a result of religiousn nutjobs making things up and you gullible believing that garbage, and the only thing you can say in response is that I fail?

Actually that quote wasn't the largest part of my argument, but nice try.

The fact that the Declaration of Independence, the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution as well as every states preamble mentions God is enough for any fair minded individual to see that our forefathers for the most part were indeed religious men. And it would be safe to assume that their faith helped shape the constitution.

I agree with you that the Founders' religious faith shaped their beliefs, but you have not proved that they wanted organized religion to do anything with government and how it was run.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Well, considering that not all of the Founding Fathers were Christian, as well as the fact that Ben Franklin (among others) belonged to a group called "the Hellfire Club", well.......I'd kinda wonder about this country being founded on Christian principles.

Hellfire Club
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Hellfire Club was the popular name for a number of supposed exclusive clubs for high society rakes established all over Britain and Ireland in the 18th century. These clubs were rumoured to be the meeting places of "persons of quality"[1] who wished to take part in immoral acts, and the members were often very involved in politics. Neither the activities nor membership of the club are easy to ascertain. [2][3]

The very first Hellfire Club was founded in London in 1719, by Philip, Duke of Wharton and a handful of other high society friends.[4] The most infamous club associated with the name was established in England by Sir Francis Dashwood, and met irregularly from around 1749 to around 1760, and possibly up until 1766.[5] Other clubs using the name "Hellfire Club" were set up throughout the 18th century. Most of these clubs were set up in Ireland after Wharton's was dispelled.[6]

The club motto was Fais ce que tu voudras (Do what thou wilt), a philosophy of life associated with François Rabelais' fictional abbey at Thélème[7][8] and later used by Aleister Crowley.

[edit] Founders and members

The two most infamous Hellfire Clubs were founded by Philip, Duke of Wharton and Sir Francis Dashwood. Lord Wharton, made a Duke by George I,[9] was a prominent politician with two separate lives; the first, "a...man of letters" and the second, "...a drunkard, a rioter, an infidel and a rake".[10] The members of Wharton's club are largely unknown. Blackett-Ord[11] assumes that members included Wharton's immediate friends; Earl of Hillsborough, cousin - the Earl of Lichfield and Sir Ed. O'Brien as well as Benjamin Franklin. Aside from these names, other members are not revealed.
Philip, Duke of Wharton

Sir Francis was much more of a trickster than his predecessor Wharton. He was well known for his pranks: for example, while in the Royal Court in St Petersburg, he dressed up as the King of Sweden - a great enemy of Russia. The membership of Sir Francis' club was initially limited to twelve but soon increased. Of the original twelve, some are regularly identified: Dashwood, Robert Vansittart, Thomas Potter, Francis Duffield, Edward Thompson, Paul Whitehead and John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich.[12] The list of supposed members is immense; among the more probable candidates are George Bubb Dodington, a fabulously corpulent man in his 60s;[13] William Hogarth, although hardly a gentleman, has been associated with the club after painting Dashwood as a Franciscan Friar[14] and John Wilkes, though much later, under the pseudonym John of Aylesbury.[15] Benjamin Franklin is also said to have occasionally attended the club's meetings during 1758 as a non-member during his time in England. However, some authors and historians would argue Benjamin Franklin was in fact a spy.[16] As there are no records left (if there were any at all), many of these members are just assumed or linked by letters sent to each other[17]

Hellfire Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, if it's good enough for our Founding Fathers, why isn't it good enough for the Christian Right?

 

[SmarterThanHick]

Both and dumberthanarock are wrong.

Anno Domini (sometimes found in the irregular form Anno Domine), abbreviated as AD or A.D., and Before Christ, abbreviated as BC or B.C., are designations used to number years in the Julian and Gregorian calendars. The calendar era to which they refer is based on the traditionally reckoned year of the conception or birth of Jesus, with AD denoting years after the start of this epoch, and BC denoting years before the start of this epoch. There is no year zero in this scheme, so the year AD 1 immediately follows the year 1 BC.

Again, your copy and paste skills are second to none, but what do you suppose "Anno Domini" means, translated to English? You're almost there.

The fact that ... the U.S. Constitution ... mentions God is enough for any fair minded individual to see that our forefathers for the most part were indeed religious men.

The US Constitution does not mention God.

Wow, do you work at being that wrong and misguided or is it just natural?

 

[ABikerSailor]

He makes a concerted effort to be that wrong DAILY STH.

Usually, he sets the bar higher at least once a week for stupidity.

 

[Intense]

In Locke Fashion, Madison and others took part in Keeping the Church out of Government and the Government out of the Church by design. The Church is not God. Religion is not God. Madison saw to it that Religion had Protections and Insulation so that it could be practiced Freely, in It's Own Interests, provided It did not Violate Criminal Law. Government interest in Protecting Life, Liberty, Property, the Pursuit of Happiness, is Material , Physical in Nature. These Trusts were to by Protected Impartially by contract. These interests are matters of State, not Church. We as Citizens, have every right to communicate freely and contribute according to Our, Ethics, Morals, Opinions, Beliefs, which are a piece of who we are. One Person, One Voice. Nobody has Jurisdiction over Another's Conscience.

 

[Intense]

Both and dumberthanarock are wrong.

Anno Domini (sometimes found in the irregular form Anno Domine), abbreviated as AD or A.D., and Before Christ, abbreviated as BC or B.C., are designations used to number years in the Julian and Gregorian calendars. The calendar era to which they refer is based on the traditionally reckoned year of the conception or birth of Jesus, with AD denoting years after the start of this epoch, and BC denoting years before the start of this epoch. There is no year zero in this scheme, so the year AD 1 immediately follows the year 1 BC.

Again, your copy and paste skills are second to none, but what do you suppose "Anno Domini" means, translated to English? You're almost there.

The fact that ... the U.S. Constitution ... mentions God is enough for any fair minded individual to see that our forefathers for the most part were indeed religious men.

The US Constitution does not mention God. Can you communicate without the bullshit head games. Not fucking yet.

Wow, do you work at being that wrong and misguided or is it just natural?

What the fuck are you a parrot, Copy and paste it up your ass.

 

[Intense]

SmarterThanHick

Where do our "inalienable rights" come from?

How come all fifty states' preambles mention God?

Article. VII, US Constitution:

"Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven"

Our National Anthem includes these words:

Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner forever shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]
James Madison

Woah...cowgirl! Stow the we and use the me. There are a hell of as lot of people that would like to toss your dumb christian asses on a boat and send ya packing back to wherever your stupid christianity came from. Lets clear some more land in the mid east and let you whahoouus set up shop right next to where Jesus walked. I am soooo tired of you christian assholes thinking you can run MY country.

Huggy, shouldn't you be taking a nap right now? Aren't you missing the Wiggles?

 

[ABikerSailor]

In Locke Fashion, Madison and others took part in Keeping the Church out of Government and the Government out of the Church by design. The Church is not God. Religion is not God. Madison saw to it that Religion had Protections and Insulation so that it could be practiced Freely, in It's Own Interests, provided It did not Violate Criminal Law. Government interest in Protecting Life, Liberty, Property, the Pursuit of Happiness, is Material , Physical in Nature. These Trusts were to by Protected Impartially by contract. These interests are matters of State, not Church. We as Citizens, have every right to communicate freely and contribute according to Our, Ethics, Morals, Opinions, Beliefs, which are a piece of who we are. One Person, One Voice. Nobody has Jurisdiction over Another's Conscience.

Nobody has jurisdiction over another person's conscience? Hmm.......tell that to the Christian Coalition and the ways that they CONTINUALLY try to legislate morality.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

What the fuck are you a parrot, Copy and paste it up your ass.

It's funny cuz it doesn't make sense!

You can answer his question is you'd like: what does "Anno domini" translate to in English?

 

[Intense]

Definition: 1. Abbreviation for Anno Domini - Latin for The Year Of Our Lord - used in the Gregorian Calendar to refer to the current era. A date such as 1945 A.D. literally means 'the 1945th year of our lord', the lord in question being Jesus Christ, providing a religious context and clearly distinguishing the time from an earlier era, where B.C is used instead. The use of A.D. was popularised by Bede.

AD - Anno Domini

 

[SmarterThanHick]

Anno Domini - Latin for The Year Of Our Lord

excellent! so the literal translation of "1787 AD" is "in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven" - the EXACT phrase used to date the constitution. It has nothing to do with religion, just dating terms.

 

[Intense]

Anno Domini - Latin for The Year Of Our Lord

excellent! so the literal translation of "1787 AD" is "in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven" - the EXACT phrase used to date the constitution. It has nothing to do with religion, just dating terms.

You are really afraid of religion, huh? Religion has influenced every one of us in our lives, even you. Everything you believe one way or the other follows you like a shadow STH. Every determination, based on what you think you know. Religion has effected the USA in one way or another. Our Government is nonsecular, so that no sect will dominate over another in administration of Impartial Just Law. The message of Christianity is to convince, to persuade, not to mandate. By Willingness, not Law. That is why Our Christian Forefathers chose to Insulate the Constitution the way They did. Madison said it as plain as day. You are just not able to see it. There is a poison in you that rejects, what we know to be true. You make no sense STH.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Christianity's message is to convince and persuade rather than mandate?

Yeah.......right..........tell that to the Christian Coalition and their mad dog rush to legislate morality.

Abortions anyone?

 

[Intense]

Christianity's message is to convince and persuade rather than mandate?

Yeah.......right..........tell that to the Christian Coalition and their mad dog rush to legislate morality.

Abortions anyone?

As Individual Citizens They have every Right to Voice, Civilly, majority rules. Be You Christian, Atheist, Straight, Pro Life, Pro Choice, speak your mind. Get it out there.

In Relation to Locke and Madison, they were both Pro Example, anti mandate. Madison kept the lines of distinction clear. He would not Mandate Religious Preference into Law. They were rare men.

Morality and Ethics are Rooted in Our Laws, they are nonsecular and beneficial to society rationally.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

What the fuck does some dumb redneck cow breeder know about things anyway?

You were wrong about the "year of our Lord" stuff, you're wrong about the "In God We Trust" slogan as well.

Tuck your tail betwixt your legs, and go home and lick your wounds. You've been pwned.

The term Anno Domini is Medieval Latin, translated as In the year of (the/Our) Lord. It is sometimes specified more fully as Anno Domini Nostri Iesu (Jesu) Christi ("In the Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ").

Look it up asswipe!!

The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861. It was written to Secretary Chase by Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania, and read:

Dear Sir: You are about to submit your annual report to the Congress respecting the affairs of the national finances.
One fact touching our currency has hitherto been seriously overlooked. I mean the recognition of the Almighty God in some form on our coins.
You are probably a Christian. What if our Republic were not shattered beyond reconstruction? Would not the antiquaries of succeeding centuries rightly reason from our past that we were a heathen nation? What I propose is that instead of the goddess of liberty we shall have next inside the 13 stars a ring inscribed with the words PERPETUAL UNION; within the ring the allseeing eye, crowned with a halo; beneath this eye the American flag, bearing in its field stars equal to the number of the States united; in the folds of the bars the words GOD, LIBERTY, LAW.
This would make a beautiful coin, to which no possible citizen could object. This would relieve us from the ignominy of heathenism. This would place us openly under the Divine protection we have personally claimed. From my hearth I have felt our national shame in disowning God as not the least of our present national disasters.
To you first I address a subject that must be agitated.

As a result, Secretary Chase instructed James Pollock, Director of the Mint at Philadelphia, to prepare a motto, in a letter dated November 20, 1861:

Dear Sir: No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins.
You will cause a device to be prepared without unnecessary delay with a motto expressing in the fewest and tersest words possible this national recognition.
It was found that the Act of Congress dated January 18, 1837, prescribed the mottoes and devices that should be placed upon the coins of the United States. This meant that the mint could make no changes without the enactment of additional legislation by the Congress. In December 1863, the Director of the Mint submitted designs for new one-cent coin, two-cent coin, and three-cent coin to Secretary Chase for approval. He proposed that upon the designs either OUR COUNTRY; OUR GOD or GOD, OUR TRUST should appear as a motto on the coins. In a letter to the Mint Director on December 9, 1863, Secretary Chase stated:
I approve your mottoes, only suggesting that on that with the Washington obverse the motto should begin with the word OUR, so as to read OUR GOD AND OUR COUNTRY. And on that with the shield, it should be changed so as to read: IN GOD WE TRUST.

The Congress passed the Act of April 22, 1864. This legislation changed the composition of the one-cent coin and authorized the minting of the two-cent coin. The Mint Director was directed to develop the designs for these coins for final approval of the Secretary. IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin.