The Truth about Judaism

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    My questions for true, knowledgeable Jews:

    1. Where did our spirits originate?
    2. What will the Messiah be like when he comes?
    3. When will the Levites begin practicing the Law of God again?
    4. What qualifies a man to be a prophet?
    5. Are there prophets today?
    6. If not, then why?
    7. What happens to those who die without accepting Judaism?
    8. What happens to innocents who die?
    9. Why do Muslims hate you?
    10. Why is Jerusalem coveted by the Muslims and why shouldn't they have it?
    11. What does the skull cap mean?
    12. What is the purpose of the Wailing wall?
    13. Why would Judaism only build one temple?
     
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    I have one more for your list-
    Why does it say in the Talmud that Jesus was an idolater and conceived while his mother was menstruating and that she was a whore? :eek:
     
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    That would be a good question. But I am still waiting for a Jewish person to answer any. I am not lying in wait here to attack, I just want to know.
     
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    I've never heard of it saying any such thing. In fact, Jesus wouldn't be mentioned in the Talmud, since the Talmud preceded him; the mishnah by 200 years; the gemarra by 500 years.

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    Hey Jillian, can you answer some of my Questions?
     
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    I believe he was talking about the Midrash which was compiled after the time of Jesus
     
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    I'd love to have a serious discussion about Judaiam--one that is respectful and informative.
     
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    I'll give it a go. Though I have to admit a serious lack of knowledge about certain of these things.

    Also, you ask these questions like all jews believe a single thing. Judaism is much more nebulous, IMO, and is always dependent upon what branch of judaism you follow; whether you believe in jewish mysticism; and who your rabbi is. Even among rabbis, if you ask one question, you will get a different answer from each. Remember, the socratic method is based in the way the talmud is studied. Unlike christianity, there are not always hard and fast answers. We study by asking questions.

    1. The spirit... I needed google for a clear response on this one, I'm afraid. But I do have a link that's a good start:

    Soul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    2. The Messiah is not a "spiritual" savior in the sense that Christians believe. In fact, Jews tend to use the word "moshiach" in order for the concept not to be confused with the Christian concept. Interestingly, there is no mention of the moshiach in the Torah and there are those who believe that as a concept, it came later, during the days of the prophets.

    Moshiach means "annointed one" as in having been annointed like a king would be. He is a messianic king of the line of David who will be a charismatic leader and great warrior and bring a millenium of peace at the end of our days on earth, during which time everyone will live togther in peace.

    3. The "levites" are not the priests. those are the kohans. The Levites (of which I am one), being a descendent of the tribe of Levi, are the only tribe of Israel with no tribal land. When the temple is rebuilt they receive tithes because their sole duty is to minister to the kohanim and keep watch over the Temple. Without a temple, no duty to the temple.

    4/5/6 I'm afraid I can't answer your questions about prophets because we don't believe there are any now as far as I know. We believe that age has passed and that Elijah was the last. (Now, I could be wrong about that... but that's my understanding. someone may correct me on it).

    7. Nothing happens to those who "die without accepting judaism". If a child is circumcized in accordance with jewish law, he is jewish. If you are born to a jewish mother, you are jewish. If you are a righteous person, whether jew or gentile, you're blessed. (which isn't to say that if you're jewish, you don't have to live by the laws... ).

    8. Innocents who die are always blessed and go to G-d.

    9. Muslims? Think of it as the worst case of sibling rivalry ever in the history of mankind.

    10. A yarmulke (what you call a skull cap) is worn to show devotion to G-d.

    11. It's the "western wall". We don't really call it the wailing wall. But the wall was the western wall of The Temple in Jerusalem and is what remains after the Romans destroyed the Temple in 70 CE. It's our holiest spot because the Temple was built over the holy of holies where Abraham took Issac to be sacrificed but was stopped and a ram given to him for sacrifice.

    12. Obviously, we have many temples in the sense that there are synagogues all over the world. But as I said, THE Temple is over the holy of holies; we aren't allowed to follow certain laws until it is rebuilt. Right now there's a mosque over that site and we can't go there. (Although I did go to Al Aqsa [the Dome of the Rock] years ago when we were still allowed to).
     
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    Jillian-

    I'm particularly fond of your answer to number seven--that righteous people are blessed.

    I remember attending a Billy Graham event in Shea Stadium as a teenager with my two closest friends, one a Jew, the other a Native American. We argued this point with those Christians on the stage who had invited us all to 'surrender ourselves to Jesus'.

    I have to say I find teachings on Judaism make more sense than some of the Christian teachings I've heard. Especially, the first part of your post, which describes how the Talmud is studied with the Socractic method. This makes Judaism, much more of a living lineage. I've met and read a number of learned and wise rabbis.
     
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    Midrash isn't talmud. It's just rabbinic interpretation of the bible. I've certainly never heard of any that said things like the above about Jesus.

    Though there are those who believe the gospels are just midrash given that both Jesus and Paul were rabbis.
     

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