The Swiss have had Obama care for 20 years

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    The centerpiece of the case against Obamacare is the requirement that everyone buy some kind of health insurance or face stiff penalties--the so-called individual mandate. It is a way of moving toward universal coverage without a government-run or single-payer system. It might surprise Americans to learn that another advanced industrial country, one with a totally private health care system, made precisely the same choice nearly 20 years ago: Switzerland. The lessons from Switzerland and other countries can't resolve the constitutional issues, but they suggest the inevitability of some version of Obamacare.

    Switzerland is not your typical European welfare-state society. It is extremely business-friendly and has always gone its own way, shunning the euro and charting its own course on health care. The country ranks higher than the U.S. on the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom.

    Twenty years ago, Switzerland had a system very similar to America's--private insurers, private providers--with very similar problems. People didn't buy insurance but ended up in emergency rooms, insurers screened out people with pre-existing conditions, and costs were rising fast. The country came to the conclusion that to make health care work, everyone had to buy insurance. So the Swiss passed an individual mandate and reformed their system along lines very similar to Obamacare. The reform law passed by referendum, narrowly. The result two decades later: quality of care remains very high, everyone has access, and costs have moderated. Switzerland spends 11% of its GDP on health care, compared with 17% in the U.S. Its 8 million people have health care that is not tied to their employers, they can choose among many plans, and they can switch plans every year. Overall satisfaction with the system is high.

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    Isn't Switzerland the Conservative Utopia of Europe?
     
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    It seems to be working very well in Switzerland.
     
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    Basically every civilised country in the world has had Obama care for the past 50 years.

    It just amazes me how Americans have been conned into thinking countries can not provide universal healthcare, when it's not an issue at all in most countries. And at lower cost per capita than the US spends currently.

    Finland has mixed public/private as well, and although it isn't perfect, it does mean anyone can see a doctor anytime, and without worrying too much about whether they can afford it.
     
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    Did the Swiss government give themselves real time access to the people's bank accounts? Did the Swiss government use their health care bill to transfer power from the people to themselves? Do Swiss have to give a large percent to the government when they sell their homes? Does a panel of bureaucrats decide that elderly people are not worth the cost of treatment and offer pain pills instead? Do they offer free coverage to Muslims and illegal aliens? Muslims consider insurance gambling and will likely be able to opt out of the individual mandate, but will still be covered.

    We are a bigger country and have an inordinate amount of people on the doles. It won't be an equal sharing of costs, but an equal sharing of misery caused by waiting lists and lower quality of care. As with all taxes, the middle class will bear the brunt.
     
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    Whoa, that's some real crazy talk.
     
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    No. Neither does "Obamacare",
    No. Neither does "Obamacare".
    Huh?
    No, and neither does "Obamacare".
    What clause in "Obamacare" gives free healthcare to "illegals"? Or "Muslims"?

    What about "Obamacare" involves "sharing costs"?
     
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    Just the same old Con talking points to protect their friends/donors in the private insurance business.
     
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    "Obamacare" was the best thing that ever happened to the private insurance business.

    It should be. They wrote the damn bill.
     
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    The Swiss also legalized drugs.

    The Swiss are very smart.
     

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