The Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts

[PoliticalChic]

Waldo Frank’s analysis in 1934:
"The NRA is the beginning of American Fascism. But unlike Italy and Germany, democratic parliamentarianism has for generations been strong in the Anglo-Saxon world; it is a tribal institution. Therefore, a Fascism that disposes of it, rather than
sharpens and exploits it, is not to be expected in North America or Britain. Fascism may be so gradual in the United Statesthat most voters will not be aware of its existence. The trueFascist leaders will not be present imitators of German Fuhrerand Italian condottieri, prancing in silver shirts. They will bejudicious, black-frocked gentlemen; graduates of the best universities; disciples of Nicholas Murray Butler and WalterLippmann."
http://www.nationalreview.com/liberal-facism/page/7/0


1934....who was the dictator...er, President in 1934???

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

 

[regent]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

So what's the implication of the Ickes quote?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

So what's the implication of the Ickes quote?

The members of the quartet are Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


If you are happy with the fact, I'm happy to reveal it.

 

[Camp]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

Looks like you are debating yourself. Nations affected by the Great Depression after the American market crash of 1929 and its impact into the 1930's looked at all the efforts made by different nations to reform and reinforce their economies that were totally dependent on free market capitalism and suffered for being so dependent on that free market capitalism. That led to the adoption of socialist-like policies and programs at various levels of governance and at various degrees of blending into the wished for better controlled and regulated free market capitalism. Germany and Italy turned into totalitarian nightmares and got trampled into the dungheap of losers in history while the USA under FDR turned into the strongest economy with the most powerful military in history. FDR knew which programs to keep and which ones to throw away while he kept the populace secure as possible and preserved democracy. America under the guidance of FDR won both against the depression and WWll. Italy and Germany, not so much. Stalin stayed in the game, but at the expense of tens of millions of USSR citizens. These facts are the ones that are real, not that dopey conspiracy theory crap you push while you to try and revise history.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

Looks like you are debating yourself. Nations affected by the Great Depression after the American market crash of 1929 and its impact into the 1930's looked at all the efforts made by different nations to reform and reinforce their economies that were totally dependent on free market capitalism and suffered for being so dependent on that free market capitalism. That led to the adoption of socialist-like policies and programs at various levels of governance and at various degrees of blending into the wished for better controlled and regulated free market capitalism. Germany and Italy turned into totalitarian nightmares and got trampled into the dungheap of losers in history while the USA under FDR turned into the strongest economy with the most powerful military in history. FDR knew which programs to keep and which ones to throw away while he kept the populace secure as possible and preserved democracy. America under the guidance of FDR won both against the depression and WWll. Italy and Germany, not so much. Stalin stayed in the game, but at the expense of tens of millions of USSR citizens. These facts are the ones that are real, not that dopey conspiracy theory crap you push to try and revise history.

question: Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?

answer: Franklin Roosevelt.

 

[regent]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

So what's the implication of the Ickes quote?

The members of the quartet are Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


If you are happy with the fact, I'm happy to reveal it.

So is that what Ickes meant or is that your interpretation of what Ickes meant?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

So what's the implication of the Ickes quote?

The members of the quartet are Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


If you are happy with the fact, I'm happy to reveal it.

So is that what Ickes meant or is that your interpretation of what Ickes meant?

Let's see if I can help you navigate through your personal fog, to reality.

Here's the statement:
Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


Here's the hermeneutic key:
"Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual") concretizes the collectivist belief that individuals have no rights and that "the greater good" is the only standard of value. Under such a system, man is not an end to himself, only a tool to be sacrificed for the Führer, autocrat or ruling mob.

Only capitalism regards man as a sovereign individual with an inalienable right to his own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Government recognition and protection of individual rights is the hallmark of a moral, peaceful, productive society.
Sipsey Street Irregulars: The lie before the crime. "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual")


D'you figure it out yet?

 

[Camp]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

Looks like you are debating yourself. Nations affected by the Great Depression after the American market crash of 1929 and its impact into the 1930's looked at all the efforts made by different nations to reform and reinforce their economies that were totally dependent on free market capitalism and suffered for being so dependent on that free market capitalism. That led to the adoption of socialist-like policies and programs at various levels of governance and at various degrees of blending into the wished for better controlled and regulated free market capitalism. Germany and Italy turned into totalitarian nightmares and got trampled into the dungheap of losers in history while the USA under FDR turned into the strongest economy with the most powerful military in history. FDR knew which programs to keep and which ones to throw away while he kept the populace secure as possible and preserved democracy. America under the guidance of FDR won both against the depression and WWll. Italy and Germany, not so much. Stalin stayed in the game, but at the expense of tens of millions of USSR citizens. These facts are the ones that are real, not that dopey conspiracy theory cr bvcap you push to try and revise history.

question: Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?

answer: Franklin Roosevelt.

It was the American stock market crash that caused the global depression. The other countries were only affected in as much as they were tied to the Amerian economy. Additionally, those countries did not have to deal with devastating Dust Bowl Storms repeatedly during the 1930's.
No doubt you have numerous post of cut and paste nonsense ready to post which will put the blame squarely on the Devils disciple FDR, but sometimes the correct answer is the logical and easy to understand one.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

Looks like you are debating yourself. Nations affected by the Great Depression after the American market crash of 1929 and its impact into the 1930's looked at all the efforts made by different nations to reform and reinforce their economies that were totally dependent on free market capitalism and suffered for being so dependent on that free market capitalism. That led to the adoption of socialist-like policies and programs at various levels of governance and at various degrees of blending into the wished for better controlled and regulated free market capitalism. Germany and Italy turned into totalitarian nightmares and got trampled into the dungheap of losers in history while the USA under FDR turned into the strongest economy with the most powerful military in history. FDR knew which programs to keep and which ones to throw away while he kept the populace secure as possible and preserved democracy. America under the guidance of FDR won both against the depression and WWll. Italy and Germany, not so much. Stalin stayed in the game, but at the expense of tens of millions of USSR citizens. These facts are the ones that are real, not that dopey conspiracy theory cr bvcap you push to try and revise history.

question: Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?

answer: Franklin Roosevelt.

It was the American stock market crash that caused the global depression. The other countries were only affected in as much as they were tied to the Amerian economy. Additionally, those countries did not have to deal with devastating Dust Bowl Storms repeatedly during the 1930's.
No doubt you have numerous post of cut and paste nonsense ready to post which will put the blame squarely on the Devils disciple FDR, but sometimes the correct answer is the logical and easy to understand one.

This was the query...
Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?


Why are you avoiding it, Cramp?

 

[Camp]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

Looks like you are debating yourself. Nations affected by the Great Depression after the American market crash of 1929 and its impact into the 1930's looked at all the efforts made by different nations to reform and reinforce their economies that were totally dependent on free market capitalism and suffered for being so dependent on that free market capitalism. That led to the adoption of socialist-like policies and programs at various levels of governance and at various degrees of blending into the wished for better controlled and regulated free market capitalism. Germany and Italy turned into totalitarian nightmares and got trampled into the dungheap of losers in history while the USA under FDR turned into the strongest economy with the most powerful military in history. FDR knew which programs to keep and which ones to throw away while he kept the populace secure as possible and preserved democracy. America under the guidance of FDR won both against the depression and WWll. Italy and Germany, not so much. Stalin stayed in the game, but at the expense of tens of millions of USSR citizens. These facts are the ones that are real, not that dopey conspiracy theory cr bvcap you push to try and revise history.

question: Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?

answer: Franklin Roosevelt.

It was the American stock market crash that caused the global depression. The other countries were only affected in as much as they were tied to the Amerian economy. Additionally, those countries did not have to deal with devastating Dust Bowl Storms repeatedly during the 1930's.
No doubt you have numerous post of cut and paste nonsense ready to post which will put the blame squarely on the Devils disciple FDR, but sometimes the correct answer is the logical and easy to understand one.

This was the query...
Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?


Why are you avoiding it, Cramp?

I responded 8 minutes after you posted your question. You re-posted it in your post this morning. It is re-quoted in this post. Now start posting your dopey cut and paste nonsense to demonize FDR as you attempt to annihilate my simple to understand responding post. Be sure to include some name calling and lame meaningless insults to cover the distraction from the irrelevance of your post.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

Looks like you are debating yourself. Nations affected by the Great Depression after the American market crash of 1929 and its impact into the 1930's looked at all the efforts made by different nations to reform and reinforce their economies that were totally dependent on free market capitalism and suffered for being so dependent on that free market capitalism. That led to the adoption of socialist-like policies and programs at various levels of governance and at various degrees of blending into the wished for better controlled and regulated free market capitalism. Germany and Italy turned into totalitarian nightmares and got trampled into the dungheap of losers in history while the USA under FDR turned into the strongest economy with the most powerful military in history. FDR knew which programs to keep and which ones to throw away while he kept the populace secure as possible and preserved democracy. America under the guidance of FDR won both against the depression and WWll. Italy and Germany, not so much. Stalin stayed in the game, but at the expense of tens of millions of USSR citizens. These facts are the ones that are real, not that dopey conspiracy theory crap you push while you to try and revise history.

Germany has already begun to adopt New Deal type programs such as Old Age insurance....in 1889.

Lot of good that did them. They knew which programs to keep....?????

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

Looks like you are debating yourself. Nations affected by the Great Depression after the American market crash of 1929 and its impact into the 1930's looked at all the efforts made by different nations to reform and reinforce their economies that were totally dependent on free market capitalism and suffered for being so dependent on that free market capitalism. That led to the adoption of socialist-like policies and programs at various levels of governance and at various degrees of blending into the wished for better controlled and regulated free market capitalism. Germany and Italy turned into totalitarian nightmares and got trampled into the dungheap of losers in history while the USA under FDR turned into the strongest economy with the most powerful military in history. FDR knew which programs to keep and which ones to throw away while he kept the populace secure as possible and preserved democracy. America under the guidance of FDR won both against the depression and WWll. Italy and Germany, not so much. Stalin stayed in the game, but at the expense of tens of millions of USSR citizens. These facts are the ones that are real, not that dopey conspiracy theory cr bvcap you push to try and revise history.

question: Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?

answer: Franklin Roosevelt.

It was the American stock market crash that caused the global depression. The other countries were only affected in as much as they were tied to the Amerian economy. Additionally, those countries did not have to deal with devastating Dust Bowl Storms repeatedly during the 1930's.
No doubt you have numerous post of cut and paste nonsense ready to post which will put the blame squarely on the Devils disciple FDR, but sometimes the correct answer is the logical and easy to understand one.

This was the query...
Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?


Why are you avoiding it, Cramp?

I responded 8 minutes after you posted your question. You re-posted it in your post this morning. It is re-quoted in this post. Now start posting your dopey cut and paste nonsense to demonize FDR as you attempt to annihilate my simple to understand responding post. Be sure to include some name calling and lame meaningless insults to cover the distraction from the irrelevance of your post.

1. Remember how I destroyed your attempt to claim I 'distorted' Schivelbusch?
And you couldn't even spell his name correctly?
Gads, that was fun.

2. Now...I asked "Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?"

And you're trying to tap-dance your way out.


Why is that?



Don't you want to unburden yourself, and admit that Roosevelt was an unmitigated failure in domestic policy....just as Obama is???

The truth will set you free.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

Looks like you are debating yourself. Nations affected by the Great Depression after the American market crash of 1929 and its impact into the 1930's looked at all the efforts made by different nations to reform and reinforce their economies that were totally dependent on free market capitalism and suffered for being so dependent on that free market capitalism. That led to the adoption of socialist-like policies and programs at various levels of governance and at various degrees of blending into the wished for better controlled and regulated free market capitalism. Germany and Italy turned into totalitarian nightmares and got trampled into the dungheap of losers in history while the USA under FDR turned into the strongest economy with the most powerful military in history. FDR knew which programs to keep and which ones to throw away while he kept the populace secure as possible and preserved democracy. America under the guidance of FDR won both against the depression and WWll. Italy and Germany, not so much. Stalin stayed in the game, but at the expense of tens of millions of USSR citizens. These facts are the ones that are real, not that dopey conspiracy theory crap you push while you to try and revise history.

Germany has already begun to adopt New Deal type programs such as Old Age insurance....in 1889.

Lot of good that did them. They knew which programs to keep....?????

Yep.

The intellectual descendants of those who worshipped Bismarck’s Prussia or Mussolini’s Ministry of Corporations, namely the New Dealers…latched on to the lodestar of 'enlightened economic policy'….in a quest for the holy grail of government-business ‘collaboration.’

It's corporatism, crony capitalism, and collectivism.

Turns out that 'spreading the wealth' is the recipe for failure.

 

[Camp]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

Looks like you are debating yourself. Nations affected by the Great Depression after the American market crash of 1929 and its impact into the 1930's looked at all the efforts made by different nations to reform and reinforce their economies that were totally dependent on free market capitalism and suffered for being so dependent on that free market capitalism. That led to the adoption of socialist-like policies and programs at various levels of governance and at various degrees of blending into the wished for better controlled and regulated free market capitalism. Germany and Italy turned into totalitarian nightmares and got trampled into the dungheap of losers in history while the USA under FDR turned into the strongest economy with the most powerful military in history. FDR knew which programs to keep and which ones to throw away while he kept the populace secure as possible and preserved democracy. America under the guidance of FDR won both against the depression and WWll. Italy and Germany, not so much. Stalin stayed in the game, but at the expense of tens of millions of USSR citizens. These facts are the ones that are real, not that dopey conspiracy theory crap you push while you to try and revise history.

Germany has already begun to adopt New Deal type programs such as Old Age insurance....in 1889.

Lot of good that did them. They knew which programs to keep....?????

Yep.

The intellectual descendants of those who worshipped Bismarck’s Prussia or Mussolini’s Ministry of Corporations, namely the New Dealers…latched on to the lodestar of 'enlightened economic policy'….in a quest for the holy grail of government-business ‘collaboration.’

It's corporatism, crony capitalism, and collectivism.

Turns out that 'spreading the wealth' is the recipe for failure.

It was not worshipping. It was intellectual experimentation and a search for pragmatic solutions. It is easy to look back and bloviate about how if some other policies or programs were used things would have turned out better. The trouble is that that is nothing more than self-aggrandizing speculative opinionating with no attempt to outline what policies and programs, efforts and plans would have done better or resolved the problems of the day.
FDR came into office with the worst economy in American history. So bad it saw stock brokers diving out of high rise Wall Street building and masses of citizens completely dependent on soup kitchens. While this was happening the Axis nations were building huge technologically advanced militaries that threatened the very survival of America.
In 12 years FDR managed to end the depression and beat America's enemies, in large part by his insightful support of developing advanced weapons that including advanced aircraft carriers and aircraft. From the atom bomb to the Garand infantry rifle, FDR guided the development of the weapons that shortened the war, reduced American casualties and brought victory against both Germany and Japan, resulting in America becoming the richest and most powerful nation in world history. But of course, there are those today that claim they could have done a better job, they just can explain how.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

Looks like you are debating yourself. Nations affected by the Great Depression after the American market crash of 1929 and its impact into the 1930's looked at all the efforts made by different nations to reform and reinforce their economies that were totally dependent on free market capitalism and suffered for being so dependent on that free market capitalism. That led to the adoption of socialist-like policies and programs at various levels of governance and at various degrees of blending into the wished for better controlled and regulated free market capitalism. Germany and Italy turned into totalitarian nightmares and got trampled into the dungheap of losers in history while the USA under FDR turned into the strongest economy with the most powerful military in history. FDR knew which programs to keep and which ones to throw away while he kept the populace secure as possible and preserved democracy. America under the guidance of FDR won both against the depression and WWll. Italy and Germany, not so much. Stalin stayed in the game, but at the expense of tens of millions of USSR citizens. These facts are the ones that are real, not that dopey conspiracy theory crap you push while you to try and revise history.

Germany has already begun to adopt New Deal type programs such as Old Age insurance....in 1889.

Lot of good that did them. They knew which programs to keep....?????

Yep.

The intellectual descendants of those who worshipped Bismarck’s Prussia or Mussolini’s Ministry of Corporations, namely the New Dealers…latched on to the lodestar of 'enlightened economic policy'….in a quest for the holy grail of government-business ‘collaboration.’

It's corporatism, crony capitalism, and collectivism.

Turns out that 'spreading the wealth' is the recipe for failure.

It was not worshipping. It was intellectual experimentation and a search for pragmatic solutions. It is easy to look back and bloviate about how if some other policies or programs were used things would have turned out better. The trouble is that that is nothing more than self-aggrandizing speculative opinionating with no attempt to outline what policies and programs, efforts and plans would have done better or resolved the problems of the day.
FDR came into office with the worst economy in American history. So bad it saw stock brokers diving out of high rise Wall Street building and masses of citizens completely dependent on soup kitchens. While this was happening the Axis nations were building huge technologically advanced militaries that threatened the very survival of America.
In 12 years FDR managed to end the depression and beat America's enemies, in large part by his insightful support of developing advanced weapons that including advanced aircraft carriers and aircraft. From the atom bomb to the Garand infantry rifle, FDR guided the development of the weapons that shortened the war, reduced American casualties and brought victory against both Germany and Japan, resulting in America becoming the richest and most powerful nation in world history. But of course, there are those today that claim they could have done a better job, they just can explain how.

"FDR came into office with the worst economy in American history."

Really?

Or....did he make it the worst?


1. "America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding. An Ohio senator when he was elected president in 1920, he followed Woodrow Wilson who got America into World War I, ...Harding inherited the mess, in particular the post-World War I depression – almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged.

2. Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted that the magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

3. Compared to FDR, Harding had a much better understanding of how an economy works. Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decried high taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy. In February 1920, shortly after announcing his candidacy, he advocated a cut in government expenditures and stated that government ought to ‘strike the shackles from industry.’ ‘We need vastly more freedom than we do regulation,’ he said. Surprisingly, big business took very little notice of him at the time."

4. With Harding’s tax cuts, spending cuts and relatively non-interventionist economic policy, the gross national product rebounded to $74.1 billion in 1922. The number of unemployed fell to 2.8 million – a reported 6.7% of the labor force – in 1922. So, just a year and a half after Harding became president, the Roaring 20s were underway! The unemployment rate continued to decline, reaching a low of 1.8% in 1926 – an extraordinary feat. Since then, the unemployment rate has been lower only once in wartime (1944), and never in peacetime."
America’s Greatest Depression*Fighter by Jim Powell

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell



So...I must ask again....and demand an answer:
Are you a fool or a liar????


Speak up!

 

[Camp]

Looks like you are debating yourself. Nations affected by the Great Depression after the American market crash of 1929 and its impact into the 1930's looked at all the efforts made by different nations to reform and reinforce their economies that were totally dependent on free market capitalism and suffered for being so dependent on that free market capitalism. That led to the adoption of socialist-like policies and programs at various levels of governance and at various degrees of blending into the wished for better controlled and regulated free market capitalism. Germany and Italy turned into totalitarian nightmares and got trampled into the dungheap of losers in history while the USA under FDR turned into the strongest economy with the most powerful military in history. FDR knew which programs to keep and which ones to throw away while he kept the populace secure as possible and preserved democracy. America under the guidance of FDR won both against the depression and WWll. Italy and Germany, not so much. Stalin stayed in the game, but at the expense of tens of millions of USSR citizens. These facts are the ones that are real, not that dopey conspiracy theory cr bvcap you push to try and revise history.

question: Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?

answer: Franklin Roosevelt.

It was the American stock market crash that caused the global depression. The other countries were only affected in as much as they were tied to the Amerian economy. Additionally, those countries did not have to deal with devastating Dust Bowl Storms repeatedly during the 1930's.
No doubt you have numerous post of cut and paste nonsense ready to post which will put the blame squarely on the Devils disciple FDR, but sometimes the correct answer is the logical and easy to understand one.

This was the query...
Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?


Why are you avoiding it, Cramp?

I responded 8 minutes after you posted your question. You re-posted it in your post this morning. It is re-quoted in this post. Now start posting your dopey cut and paste nonsense to demonize FDR as you attempt to annihilate my simple to understand responding post. Be sure to include some name calling and lame meaningless insults to cover the distraction from the irrelevance of your post.

1. Remember how I destroyed your attempt to claim I 'distorted' Schivelbusch?
And you couldn't even spell his name correctly?
Gads, that was fun.

2. Now...I asked "Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?"

And you're trying to tap-dance your way out.


Why is that?



Don't you want to unburden yourself, and admit that Roosevelt was an unmitigated failure in domestic policy....just as Obama is???

The truth will set you free.

I answered your question. You are just doing your usual routine of deflecting away from an answer and reverting to changing the subject by posting a new list of cut and paste distortions. The proper response from you should be to challenge my response in an academic fashion.
I made two points about why some countries recovered from the depression quicker than America. The first was to point out that America was ground zero because the depression began with the market crash of 1929 in America and hence would have varying degrees of impact on other nations. The second point was the impact of the Dust Bowl storms that crippled vast regions of America beginning in 1934 and lasting until 1940, causing massive agriculture losses and unemployment each time one hit.
You have evaded addressing the answers I provided to your questions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

question: Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?

answer: Franklin Roosevelt.

It was the American stock market crash that caused the global depression. The other countries were only affected in as much as they were tied to the Amerian economy. Additionally, those countries did not have to deal with devastating Dust Bowl Storms repeatedly during the 1930's.
No doubt you have numerous post of cut and paste nonsense ready to post which will put the blame squarely on the Devils disciple FDR, but sometimes the correct answer is the logical and easy to understand one.

This was the query...
Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?


Why are you avoiding it, Cramp?

I responded 8 minutes after you posted your question. You re-posted it in your post this morning. It is re-quoted in this post. Now start posting your dopey cut and paste nonsense to demonize FDR as you attempt to annihilate my simple to understand responding post. Be sure to include some name calling and lame meaningless insults to cover the distraction from the irrelevance of your post.

1. Remember how I destroyed your attempt to claim I 'distorted' Schivelbusch?
And you couldn't even spell his name correctly?
Gads, that was fun.

2. Now...I asked "Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?"

And you're trying to tap-dance your way out.


Why is that?



Don't you want to unburden yourself, and admit that Roosevelt was an unmitigated failure in domestic policy....just as Obama is???

The truth will set you free.

I answered your question. You are just doing your usual routine of deflecting away from an answer and reverting to changing the subject by posting a new list of cut and paste distortions. The proper response from you should be to challenge my response in an academic fashion.
I made two points about why some countries recovered from the depression quicker than America. The first was to point out that America was ground zero because the depression began with the market crash of 1929 in America and hence would have varying degrees of impact on other nations. The second point was the impact of the Dust Bowl storms that crippled vast regions of America beginning in 1934 and lasting until 1940, causing massive agriculture losses and unemployment each time one hit.
You have evaded addressing the answers I provided to your questions.

1. You couldn't deny that other nations recovered more swiftly than the United States.
2. You tried to blame everything but the obvious.....the megalomaniac President, Franklin Roosevelt.

You're a fraud.....and I do enjoy exposing you as such.

 

[Camp]

Hey....Cramp.....where did you go???

Here's another quote that figured prominently in a post of mine...


"d.Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration itslf:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, Harold Ickes, proclaimed:“What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died"


How come you left this one out, too????


So far we have the 'four tops'.....Roosevelt, Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini!!!!


I'm beltin' 'em out of the park!!!!!

Looks like you are debating yourself. Nations affected by the Great Depression after the American market crash of 1929 and its impact into the 1930's looked at all the efforts made by different nations to reform and reinforce their economies that were totally dependent on free market capitalism and suffered for being so dependent on that free market capitalism. That led to the adoption of socialist-like policies and programs at various levels of governance and at various degrees of blending into the wished for better controlled and regulated free market capitalism. Germany and Italy turned into totalitarian nightmares and got trampled into the dungheap of losers in history while the USA under FDR turned into the strongest economy with the most powerful military in history. FDR knew which programs to keep and which ones to throw away while he kept the populace secure as possible and preserved democracy. America under the guidance of FDR won both against the depression and WWll. Italy and Germany, not so much. Stalin stayed in the game, but at the expense of tens of millions of USSR citizens. These facts are the ones that are real, not that dopey conspiracy theory crap you push while you to try and revise history.

Germany has already begun to adopt New Deal type programs such as Old Age insurance....in 1889.

Lot of good that did them. They knew which programs to keep....?????

Yep.

The intellectual descendants of those who worshipped Bismarck’s Prussia or Mussolini’s Ministry of Corporations, namely the New Dealers…latched on to the lodestar of 'enlightened economic policy'….in a quest for the holy grail of government-business ‘collaboration.’

It's corporatism, crony capitalism, and collectivism.

Turns out that 'spreading the wealth' is the recipe for failure.

It was not worshipping. It was intellectual experimentation and a search for pragmatic solutions. It is easy to look back and bloviate about how if some other policies or programs were used things would have turned out better. The trouble is that that is nothing more than self-aggrandizing speculative opinionating with no attempt to outline what policies and programs, efforts and plans would have done better or resolved the problems of the day.
FDR came into office with the worst economy in American history. So bad it saw stock brokers diving out of high rise Wall Street building and masses of citizens completely dependent on soup kitchens. While this was happening the Axis nations were building huge technologically advanced militaries that threatened the very survival of America.
In 12 years FDR managed to end the depression and beat America's enemies, in large part by his insightful support of developing advanced weapons that including advanced aircraft carriers and aircraft. From the atom bomb to the Garand infantry rifle, FDR guided the development of the weapons that shortened the war, reduced American casualties and brought victory against both Germany and Japan, resulting in America becoming the richest and most powerful nation in world history. But of course, there are those today that claim they could have done a better job, they just can explain how.

"FDR came into office with the worst economy in American history."

Really?

Or....did he make it the worst?


1. "America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding. An Ohio senator when he was elected president in 1920, he followed Woodrow Wilson who got America into World War I, ...Harding inherited the mess, in particular the post-World War I depression – almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged.

2. Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted that the magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

3. Compared to FDR, Harding had a much better understanding of how an economy works. Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decried high taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy. In February 1920, shortly after announcing his candidacy, he advocated a cut in government expenditures and stated that government ought to ‘strike the shackles from industry.’ ‘We need vastly more freedom than we do regulation,’ he said. Surprisingly, big business took very little notice of him at the time."

4. With Harding’s tax cuts, spending cuts and relatively non-interventionist economic policy, the gross national product rebounded to $74.1 billion in 1922. The number of unemployed fell to 2.8 million – a reported 6.7% of the labor force – in 1922. So, just a year and a half after Harding became president, the Roaring 20s were underway! The unemployment rate continued to decline, reaching a low of 1.8% in 1926 – an extraordinary feat. Since then, the unemployment rate has been lower only once in wartime (1944), and never in peacetime."
America’s Greatest Depression*Fighter by Jim Powell

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell



So...I must ask again....and demand an answer:
Are you a fool or a liar????


Speak up!

Good example of how you distort. The question was whether FDR inherited the greatest depression and economy in American history. You actually admit the comment is true in #1 of your post. The way you distort is to change the subject by making the discussion about who was the best at handling a depression. You are able to prove with facts that Harding successfully handled the depression after WWl, which of course has nothing to do with FDR inheriting the Great Depression.

 

[Camp]

It was the American stock market crash that caused the global depression. The other countries were only affected in as much as they were tied to the Amerian economy. Additionally, those countries did not have to deal with devastating Dust Bowl Storms repeatedly during the 1930's.
No doubt you have numerous post of cut and paste nonsense ready to post which will put the blame squarely on the Devils disciple FDR, but sometimes the correct answer is the logical and easy to understand one.

This was the query...
Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?


Why are you avoiding it, Cramp?

I responded 8 minutes after you posted your question. You re-posted it in your post this morning. It is re-quoted in this post. Now start posting your dopey cut and paste nonsense to demonize FDR as you attempt to annihilate my simple to understand responding post. Be sure to include some name calling and lame meaningless insults to cover the distraction from the irrelevance of your post.

1. Remember how I destroyed your attempt to claim I 'distorted' Schivelbusch?
And you couldn't even spell his name correctly?
Gads, that was fun.

2. Now...I asked "Why did other nations recover from the depression quicker than the United States?"

And you're trying to tap-dance your way out.


Why is that?



Don't you want to unburden yourself, and admit that Roosevelt was an unmitigated failure in domestic policy....just as Obama is???

The truth will set you free.

I answered your question. You are just doing your usual routine of deflecting away from an answer and reverting to changing the subject by posting a new list of cut and paste distortions. The proper response from you should be to challenge my response in an academic fashion.
I made two points about why some countries recovered from the depression quicker than America. The first was to point out that America was ground zero because the depression began with the market crash of 1929 in America and hence would have varying degrees of impact on other nations. The second point was the impact of the Dust Bowl storms that crippled vast regions of America beginning in 1934 and lasting until 1940, causing massive agriculture losses and unemployment each time one hit.
You have evaded addressing the answers I provided to your questions.

1. You couldn't deny that other nations recovered more swiftly than the United States.
2. You tried to blame everything but the obvious.....the megalomaniac President, Franklin Roosevelt.

You're a fraud.....and I do enjoy exposing you as such.

Of course, the European nations seemed to recover quicker. The also became weak and ignored preparing for WWII or building their infrastructure the way FDR did in America. Europe chose a quick but weak recovery even though the depression had a lesser impact in many ways. America chose a slower recovery, but one that created strength and durability.
You still are not responding with anything other than opinions and have yet to address the Dust Bowl influence which Europe did not have to contend with. Would Europe have recovered the way it did if it had had devasting storms that destroyed vast regions of the continent for six years? Would the destruction of agriculture regions the sizes of entire countries have slowed down their recovery?

Imagine this happening in Europe while in the middle of recovering from the Great Depression. Right wingers hate to hear about the Dust Bowl Storms. They make believe they never existed.
www.history.com/topics/dust-bowl