The Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts

[PoliticalChic]

Now, then....let's get back to the facts.

Many fail to recognize that Roosevelt's contemporaries recognized his consubstantial affinities with fascists, Nazis, and communists....and that he was a wanna-be dictator.


8. ".... Roosevelt always had his critics, and they would grow more numerous as the years groaned on. One of them was the inimitable “Sage of Baltimore,” H.L. Mencken, who rhetorically threw everything but the kitchen sink at the president.

Paul Johnson sums up Mencken this way: Mencken excelled himself in attacking the triumphant FDR, whose whiff of fraudulent collectivism filled him with genuine disgust. He was the “Fuhrer,” the “Quack,” surrounded by “an astonishing rabble of impudent nobodies,” “a gang of half-educated pedagogues, nonconstitutional lawyers, starry-eyed uplifters and other such sorry wizards.”

His New Deal was a “political racket,” a “series of stupendous bogus miracles,” with its “constant appeals to class envy and hatred,” treating government as “a milk cow with 125 million teats” and marked by “frequent repudiations of categorical pledges.”
Paul Johnson, A History of the American People (New York: HarperCollins Publishers, 1997), p. 762.


Pretty good characterization of the little 'Fuhrer' and his New Deal collectivists, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. The last half century has produced a chorus of academics proclaiming the wonders of Roosevlet,....ignoring the facts. But some are becoming brave enough to confront the Roosevelt acolytes......

a. In an insightful analysis, John A. Garraty compared Roosevelt’s New Deal with aspects of the Third Reich: a strong leader; an ideology stressing the nation, the people and the land; state control of economic and social affairs; and the quality and quantity of government propaganda.
Garraty, “The New Deal, National Socialism, and the Great Depression,” American Historical Review, vol. 78 (1973) p. 907ff.


Garraty reminds that to compare is not the same as to equate.

Yet, many still find Garraty’s analysis too hot to handle.

And probably, far too intuitive.

 

[bullwinkle]

Now, then....let's get back to the facts.

Many fail to recognize that Roosevelt's contemporaries recognized his consubstantial affinities with fascists, Nazis, and communists....and that he was a wanna-be dictator.


8. ".... Roosevelt always had his critics, and they would grow more numerous as the years groaned on. One of them was the inimitable “Sage of Baltimore,” H.L. Mencken, who rhetorically threw everything but the kitchen sink at the president.

Paul Johnson sums up Mencken this way: Mencken excelled himself in attacking the triumphant FDR, whose whiff of fraudulent collectivism filled him with genuine disgust. He was the “Fuhrer,” the “Quack,” surrounded by “an astonishing rabble of impudent nobodies,” “a gang of half-educated pedagogues, nonconstitutional lawyers, starry-eyed uplifters and other such sorry wizards.”

His New Deal was a “political racket,” a “series of stupendous bogus miracles,” with its “constant appeals to class envy and hatred,” treating government as “a milk cow with 125 million teats” and marked by “frequent repudiations of categorical pledges.”
Paul Johnson, A History of the American People (New York: HarperCollins Publishers, 1997), p. 762.


Pretty good characterization of the little 'Fuhrer' and his New Deal collectivists, huh?

Sounds more like somebody's opinion to me. FACTS are actual events that happened, not some critic's opinion. Mencken may have thrown the kitchen sink, but that doesn't make facts, that makes party politics. Got any Father Coughlin quotes?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The facts are plain: Franklin Roosevelt brought the totalitarian concept to the United States.

10. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


a. Herbert Hoover: “We must fight again for a government founded on individual liberty and opportunity that was the American vision. If we lose we will continue down this New Deal road to some sort of personal government based on collectivist theories. Under these ideas ours can become some sort of Fascist government.”


b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporatist state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.


c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’s The Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers to each other, not to him.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.” Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt
Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really?? To whom?




d. Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, proclaimed: “What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died



These opinions from all sides, citing Roosevelt as the totalitiarian wanna-be that he was, are based on their observations of Roosevelt's actions.

He did not honor the Constitution, nor did he advance liberty and freedom.

Hence: Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts.

 

[Camp]

The facts are plain: Franklin Roosevelt brought the totalitarian concept to the United States.

10. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


a. Herbert Hoover: “We must fight again for a government founded on individual liberty and opportunity that was the American vision. If we lose we will continue down this New Deal road to some sort of personal government based on collectivist theories. Under these ideas ours can become some sort of Fascist government.”


b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporatist state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.


c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’s The Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers to each other, not to him.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.” Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt
Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really?? To whom?




d. Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, proclaimed: “What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died



These opinions from all sides, citing Roosevelt as the totalitiarian wanna-be that he was, are based on their observations of Roosevelt's actions.

He did not honor the Constitution, nor did he advance liberty and freedom.

Hence: Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts.

Hence, another completely dishonest garbage thread where a liar endlessly distorts quotes to promote an anti-New Deal/FDR cut and paste disinformation campaign while refusing to respond to challenges about her imagined facts.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The facts are plain: Franklin Roosevelt brought the totalitarian concept to the United States.

10. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


a. Herbert Hoover: “We must fight again for a government founded on individual liberty and opportunity that was the American vision. If we lose we will continue down this New Deal road to some sort of personal government based on collectivist theories. Under these ideas ours can become some sort of Fascist government.”


b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporatist state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.


c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’s The Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers to each other, not to him.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.” Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt
Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really?? To whom?




d. Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, proclaimed: “What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died



These opinions from all sides, citing Roosevelt as the totalitiarian wanna-be that he was, are based on their observations of Roosevelt's actions.

He did not honor the Constitution, nor did he advance liberty and freedom.

Hence: Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts.

Hence, another completely dishonest garbage thread where a liar endlessly distorts quotes to promote an anti-New Deal/FDR cut and paste disinformation campaign while refusing to respond to challenges about her imagined facts.

Are you lying out of embarrassment...or because that's what you do?

 

[bullwinkle]

The facts are plain: Franklin Roosevelt brought the totalitarian concept to the United States.

10. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


a. Herbert Hoover: “We must fight again for a government founded on individual liberty and opportunity that was the American vision. If we lose we will continue down this New Deal road to some sort of personal government based on collectivist theories. Under these ideas ours can become some sort of Fascist government.”


b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporatist state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.


c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’s The Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers to each other, not to him.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.” Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt
Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really?? To whom?




d. Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, proclaimed: “What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died



These opinions from all sides, citing Roosevelt as the totalitiarian wanna-be that he was, are based on their observations of Roosevelt's actions.

He did not honor the Constitution, nor did he advance liberty and freedom.

Hence: Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts.

You have it backwards. You are quoting the myths published by FDR critics and posting them as facts. Schivelbusch? Norman Thomas? Herbert Hoover? That's like Fox & Friends posting "facts" about Obama, as when they sighted the "terrorist fist-bump" he & Michelle exchanged early in his first term.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The facts are plain: Franklin Roosevelt brought the totalitarian concept to the United States.

10. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


a. Herbert Hoover: “We must fight again for a government founded on individual liberty and opportunity that was the American vision. If we lose we will continue down this New Deal road to some sort of personal government based on collectivist theories. Under these ideas ours can become some sort of Fascist government.”


b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporatist state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.


c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’s The Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers to each other, not to him.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.” Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt
Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really?? To whom?




d. Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, proclaimed: “What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died



These opinions from all sides, citing Roosevelt as the totalitiarian wanna-be that he was, are based on their observations of Roosevelt's actions.

He did not honor the Constitution, nor did he advance liberty and freedom.

Hence: Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts.

You have it backwards. You are quoting the myths published by FDR critics and posting them as facts. Schivelbusch? Norman Thomas? Herbert Hoover? That's like Fox & Friends posting "facts" about Obama, as when they sighted the "terrorist fist-bump" he & Michelle exchanged early in his first term.

And....just to establish that, like so many Roosevelt groupies, you are talking through your hat.....have you read
"Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939,"
by Wolfgang Schivelbusch?


No?

Case closed.

 

[bullwinkle]

The facts are plain: Franklin Roosevelt brought the totalitarian concept to the United States.

10. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


a. Herbert Hoover: “We must fight again for a government founded on individual liberty and opportunity that was the American vision. If we lose we will continue down this New Deal road to some sort of personal government based on collectivist theories. Under these ideas ours can become some sort of Fascist government.”


b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporatist state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.


c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’s The Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers to each other, not to him.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.” Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt
Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really?? To whom?




d. Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, proclaimed: “What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died



These opinions from all sides, citing Roosevelt as the totalitiarian wanna-be that he was, are based on their observations of Roosevelt's actions.

He did not honor the Constitution, nor did he advance liberty and freedom.

Hence: Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts.

You have it backwards. You are quoting the myths published by FDR critics and posting them as facts. Schivelbusch? Norman Thomas? Herbert Hoover? That's like Fox & Friends posting "facts" about Obama, as when they sighted the "terrorist fist-bump" he & Michelle exchanged early in his first term.

And....just to establish that, like so many Roosevelt groupies, you are talking through your hat.....have you read
"Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939,"
by Wolfgang Schivelbusch?


No?

Case closed.

The case is NOT closed, just your mind.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The facts are plain: Franklin Roosevelt brought the totalitarian concept to the United States.

10. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


a. Herbert Hoover: “We must fight again for a government founded on individual liberty and opportunity that was the American vision. If we lose we will continue down this New Deal road to some sort of personal government based on collectivist theories. Under these ideas ours can become some sort of Fascist government.”


b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporatist state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.


c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’s The Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers to each other, not to him.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.” Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt
Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really?? To whom?




d. Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, proclaimed: “What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died



These opinions from all sides, citing Roosevelt as the totalitiarian wanna-be that he was, are based on their observations of Roosevelt's actions.

He did not honor the Constitution, nor did he advance liberty and freedom.

Hence: Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts.

You have it backwards. You are quoting the myths published by FDR critics and posting them as facts. Schivelbusch? Norman Thomas? Herbert Hoover? That's like Fox & Friends posting "facts" about Obama, as when they sighted the "terrorist fist-bump" he & Michelle exchanged early in his first term.

And....just to establish that, like so many Roosevelt groupies, you are talking through your hat.....have you read
"Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939,"
by Wolfgang Schivelbusch?


No?

Case closed.

The case is NOT closed, just your mind.

So....we find that after dismissing the scholar, Schivelbusch, out of hand,you never read "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939."

How usual...a Liberal with strong views based on zero knowledge.




It's not too late to change your avi to 'MoreHotAir.'

Although...there are probably lots of Liberals vying for the name.....

 

[bullwinkle]

The facts are plain: Franklin Roosevelt brought the totalitarian concept to the United States.

10. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


a. Herbert Hoover: “We must fight again for a government founded on individual liberty and opportunity that was the American vision. If we lose we will continue down this New Deal road to some sort of personal government based on collectivist theories. Under these ideas ours can become some sort of Fascist government.”


b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporatist state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.


c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’s The Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers to each other, not to him.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.” Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt
Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really?? To whom?




d. Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, proclaimed: “What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died



These opinions from all sides, citing Roosevelt as the totalitiarian wanna-be that he was, are based on their observations of Roosevelt's actions.

He did not honor the Constitution, nor did he advance liberty and freedom.

Hence: Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts.

You have it backwards. You are quoting the myths published by FDR critics and posting them as facts. Schivelbusch? Norman Thomas? Herbert Hoover? That's like Fox & Friends posting "facts" about Obama, as when they sighted the "terrorist fist-bump" he & Michelle exchanged early in his first term.

And....just to establish that, like so many Roosevelt groupies, you are talking through your hat.....have you read
"Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939,"
by Wolfgang Schivelbusch?


No?

Case closed.

The case is NOT closed, just your mind.

So....we find that after dismissing the scholar, Schivelbusch, out of hand,you never read "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939."

How usual...a Liberal with strong views based on zero knowledge.




It's not too late to change your avi to 'MoreHotAir.'

Although...there are probably lots of Liberals vying for the name.....

Yep! I have to admit that I never heard of Schivelbusch, nor have I ever felt the urge to muse on the 'reflections' you choose to call facts.

Lets end this, chic. Neither of us gives a rat's rump what the other thinks, and I am at a disadvantage. I can't match your vitriol against those who think differently.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The facts are plain: Franklin Roosevelt brought the totalitarian concept to the United States.

10. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


a. Herbert Hoover: “We must fight again for a government founded on individual liberty and opportunity that was the American vision. If we lose we will continue down this New Deal road to some sort of personal government based on collectivist theories. Under these ideas ours can become some sort of Fascist government.”


b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporatist state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.


c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’s The Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers to each other, not to him.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.” Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt
Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really?? To whom?




d. Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, proclaimed: “What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died



These opinions from all sides, citing Roosevelt as the totalitiarian wanna-be that he was, are based on their observations of Roosevelt's actions.

He did not honor the Constitution, nor did he advance liberty and freedom.

Hence: Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts.

You have it backwards. You are quoting the myths published by FDR critics and posting them as facts. Schivelbusch? Norman Thomas? Herbert Hoover? That's like Fox & Friends posting "facts" about Obama, as when they sighted the "terrorist fist-bump" he & Michelle exchanged early in his first term.

And....just to establish that, like so many Roosevelt groupies, you are talking through your hat.....have you read
"Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939,"
by Wolfgang Schivelbusch?


No?

Case closed.

The case is NOT closed, just your mind.

So....we find that after dismissing the scholar, Schivelbusch, out of hand,you never read "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939."

How usual...a Liberal with strong views based on zero knowledge.




It's not too late to change your avi to 'MoreHotAir.'

Although...there are probably lots of Liberals vying for the name.....

"Yep! I have to admit that I never heard of Schivelbusch, nor have I ever felt the urge to muse on the 'reflections' you choose to call facts."

Lets end this, chic. Neither of us gives a rat's rump what the other thinks, and I am at a disadvantage. I can't match your vitriol against those who think differently.

1. Your post: "Yep! I have to admit that I never heard of Schivelbusch, nor have I ever felt the urge to muse on the 'reflections' you choose to call facts."

Yet, this was your earlier post:
"You have it backwards. You are quoting the myths published by FDR critics and posting them as facts. Schivelbusch? Norman Thomas? Herbert Hoover? That's like Fox & Friends posting "facts" about Obama, as when they sighted the "terrorist fist-bump" he & Michelle exchanged early in his first term.



So....as I just proved....you are in danger of the same fate as befell the Hindenburg...and for the very same reasons.


2. The facts I post are linked to the words of experts, and scholars....and we have just seen what your opinions are.

3. "I can't match your vitriol against those who think differently."
Let's make that more accurate: I certainly hope to evince vitriol against those political views that aim to both deprive people of liberty, and have no problem with slaughtering innocents.
They include the shameful six:
Communism, socialism, Liberalism, Fascism, Progressivism, and Nazism.

You're dismissed.

 

[regent]

That's a fact.

Whenever PC says 'That's a fact'- I always check my pocket to see if my wallet is still there.

Well, then....find a fact that is in dispute.

Or....admit that I am never wrong.

I admit that you are always wrong.

And that pointing out facts to you is a waste of time.

So I will just point and laugh at your obsession with attacking FDR.

It doesn't take long to get on to Chic's facts. She blends a fact in with opinions and most can see what's coming; an entire debate trying to separate fact from opinion, resulting in a total waste of time.

 

[Syriusly]

The facts are plain: Franklin Roosevelt brought the totalitarian concept to the United States.

10. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


a. Herbert Hoover: “We must fight again for a government founded on individual liberty and opportunity that was the American vision. If we lose we will continue down this New Deal road to some sort of personal government based on collectivist theories. Under these ideas ours can become some sort of Fascist government.”


b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporatist state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.


c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’s The Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers to each other, not to him.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.” Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt
Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really?? To whom?




d. Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, proclaimed: “What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died



These opinions from all sides, citing Roosevelt as the totalitiarian wanna-be that he was, are based on their observations of Roosevelt's actions.

He did not honor the Constitution, nor did he advance liberty and freedom.

Hence: Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts.

You have it backwards. You are quoting the myths published by FDR critics and posting them as facts. Schivelbusch? Norman Thomas? Herbert Hoover? That's like Fox & Friends posting "facts" about Obama, as when they sighted the "terrorist fist-bump" he & Michelle exchanged early in his first term.

And....just to establish that, like so many Roosevelt groupies, you are talking through your hat.....have you read
"Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939,"
by Wolfgang Schivelbusch?


No?

Case closed.

The case is NOT closed, just your mind.

So....we find that after dismissing the scholar, Schivelbusch, out of hand,you never read "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939."

How usual...a Liberal with strong views based on zero knowledge.




It's not too late to change your avi to 'MoreHotAir.'

Although...there are probably lots of Liberals vying for the name.....

Yep! I have to admit that I never heard of Schivelbusch, nor have I ever felt the urge to muse on the 'reflections' you choose to call facts.

Lets end this, chic. Neither of us gives a rat's rump what the other thinks, and I am at a disadvantage. I can't match your vitriol against those who think differently.

No one can match PC's batshit craziness.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That's a fact.

Whenever PC says 'That's a fact'- I always check my pocket to see if my wallet is still there.

Well, then....find a fact that is in dispute.

Or....admit that I am never wrong.

I admit that you are always wrong.

And that pointing out facts to you is a waste of time.

So I will just point and laugh at your obsession with attacking FDR.

It doesn't take long to get on to Chic's facts. She blends a fact in with opinions and most can see what's coming; an entire debate trying to separate fact from opinion, resulting in a total waste of time.

Oh, my....another 'I hate you' post from an inconsequential dunce who can't find any specific to dispute.

Earthshaking.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You have it backwards. You are quoting the myths published by FDR critics and posting them as facts. Schivelbusch? Norman Thomas? Herbert Hoover? That's like Fox & Friends posting "facts" about Obama, as when they sighted the "terrorist fist-bump" he & Michelle exchanged early in his first term.

And....just to establish that, like so many Roosevelt groupies, you are talking through your hat.....have you read
"Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939,"
by Wolfgang Schivelbusch?


No?

Case closed.

The case is NOT closed, just your mind.

So....we find that after dismissing the scholar, Schivelbusch, out of hand,you never read "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939."

How usual...a Liberal with strong views based on zero knowledge.




It's not too late to change your avi to 'MoreHotAir.'

Although...there are probably lots of Liberals vying for the name.....

Yep! I have to admit that I never heard of Schivelbusch, nor have I ever felt the urge to muse on the 'reflections' you choose to call facts.

Lets end this, chic. Neither of us gives a rat's rump what the other thinks, and I am at a disadvantage. I can't match your vitriol against those who think differently.

No one can match PC's batshit craziness.

And yet....another 'I hate you' post from an inconsequential dunce who can't find any specific to dispute.
The profanity really makes it meaningful.

What a bore.

 

[Camp]

The facts are plain: Franklin Roosevelt brought the totalitarian concept to the United States.

10. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


a. Herbert Hoover: “We must fight again for a government founded on individual liberty and opportunity that was the American vision. If we lose we will continue down this New Deal road to some sort of personal government based on collectivist theories. Under these ideas ours can become some sort of Fascist government.”


b. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporatist state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.


c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’s The Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers to each other, not to him.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.” Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt
Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really?? To whom?




d. Here's the money-quote, from the Roosevelt administration:

Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, proclaimed: “What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed:Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression… When He Died



These opinions from all sides, citing Roosevelt as the totalitiarian wanna-be that he was, are based on their observations of Roosevelt's actions.

He did not honor the Constitution, nor did he advance liberty and freedom.

Hence: Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts.

You have it backwards. You are quoting the myths published by FDR critics and posting them as facts. Schivelbusch? Norman Thomas? Herbert Hoover? That's like Fox & Friends posting "facts" about Obama, as when they sighted the "terrorist fist-bump" he & Michelle exchanged early in his first term.

And....just to establish that, like so many Roosevelt groupies, you are talking through your hat.....have you read
"Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939,"
by Wolfgang Schivelbusch?


No?

Case closed.

The case is NOT closed, just your mind.

So....we find that after dismissing the scholar, Schivelbusch, out of hand,you never read "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939."

How usual...a Liberal with strong views based on zero knowledge.




It's not too late to change your avi to 'MoreHotAir.'

Although...there are probably lots of Liberals vying for the name.....

Yep! I have to admit that I never heard of Schivelbusch, nor have I ever felt the urge to muse on the 'reflections' you choose to call facts.

Lets end this, chic. Neither of us gives a rat's rump what the other thinks, and I am at a disadvantage. I can't match your vitriol against those who think differently.

PC is distorting Shivebush. He compared, but he did not equate the way the anti-FDR people like PC does. While he compares, he also points out the differences. PC's cherry picking only the comparisons is a good example of how she and those she tries to mimic distort.
The book is actually made available for online reading from The FDR Library.
Here is a two-page review;

articles.latimes.com/2006/oct/29/books/bk-wiener29

 

[PoliticalChic]

You have it backwards. You are quoting the myths published by FDR critics and posting them as facts. Schivelbusch? Norman Thomas? Herbert Hoover? That's like Fox & Friends posting "facts" about Obama, as when they sighted the "terrorist fist-bump" he & Michelle exchanged early in his first term.

And....just to establish that, like so many Roosevelt groupies, you are talking through your hat.....have you read
"Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939,"
by Wolfgang Schivelbusch?


No?

Case closed.

The case is NOT closed, just your mind.

So....we find that after dismissing the scholar, Schivelbusch, out of hand,you never read "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939."

How usual...a Liberal with strong views based on zero knowledge.




It's not too late to change your avi to 'MoreHotAir.'

Although...there are probably lots of Liberals vying for the name.....

Yep! I have to admit that I never heard of Schivelbusch, nor have I ever felt the urge to muse on the 'reflections' you choose to call facts.

Lets end this, chic. Neither of us gives a rat's rump what the other thinks, and I am at a disadvantage. I can't match your vitriol against those who think differently.

PC is distorting Shivebush. He compared, but he did not equate the way the anti-FDR people like PC does. While he compares, he also points out the differences. PC's cherry picking only the comparisons is a good example of how she and those she tries to mimic distort.
The book is actually made available for online reading from The FDR Library.
Here is a two-page review;

Nice try...at being relevant.

I read the book, you didn't.

Second....I am always 100% accurate.
That can be seen by anyone who notices that you were afraid to actually quote anything I said that you could claim "distorted Schivelbusch"

BTW...you spelled it "Shivebush."
I got a kick out of that.



Here is what I posted:

c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’sThe Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers toeach other, not tohim.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.”Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt

Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really??
To whom?"


I gave a quote, and the link to the Cato article, and their suggestion: ".... it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’sThe Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers toeach other, not tohim.)"

AND....noted my disagreement, that it was more 'clear' to me that Stalin and Mussolini were Roosevelt's ‘blood brothers.’


After all....Roosevelt copied, wholesale, Mussolini's fascist economic plans.....made clear in Schivelbusch's tome....

....and the numerous bows that Roosevelt made to Stalin, militarily, economically, politically, and even socially.


Revealing you to be a lying dunce has become sort of a parlor game for me....
...and an eminently simple one....like you, simple.....at that.

 

[Camp]

And....just to establish that, like so many Roosevelt groupies, you are talking through your hat.....have you read
"Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939,"
by Wolfgang Schivelbusch?


No?

Case closed.

The case is NOT closed, just your mind.

So....we find that after dismissing the scholar, Schivelbusch, out of hand,you never read "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939."

How usual...a Liberal with strong views based on zero knowledge.




It's not too late to change your avi to 'MoreHotAir.'

Although...there are probably lots of Liberals vying for the name.....

Yep! I have to admit that I never heard of Schivelbusch, nor have I ever felt the urge to muse on the 'reflections' you choose to call facts.

Lets end this, chic. Neither of us gives a rat's rump what the other thinks, and I am at a disadvantage. I can't match your vitriol against those who think differently.

PC is distorting Shivebush. He compared, but he did not equate the way the anti-FDR people like PC does. While he compares, he also points out the differences. PC's cherry picking only the comparisons is a good example of how she and those she tries to mimic distort.
The book is actually made available for online reading from The FDR Library.
Here is a two-page review;

Nice try...at being relevant.

I read the book, you didn't.

Second....I am always 100% accurate.
That can be seen by anyone who notices that you were afraid to actually quote anything I said that you could claim "distorted Schivelbusch"

BTW...you spelled it "Shivebush."
I got a kick out of that.



Here is what I posted:

c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’sThe Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers toeach other, not tohim.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.”Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt

Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really??
To whom?"


I gave a quote, and the link to the Cato article, and their suggestion: ".... it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’sThe Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers toeach other, not tohim.)"

AND....noted my disagreement, that it was more 'clear' to me that Stalin and Mussolini were Roosevelt's ‘blood brothers.’


After all....Roosevelt copied, wholesale, Mussolini's fascist economic plans.....made clear in Schivelbusch's tome....

....and the numerous bows that Roosevelt made to Stalin, militarily, economically, politically, and even socially.


Revealing you to be a lying dunce has become sort of a parlor game for me....
...and an eminently simple one....like you, simple.....at that.

I had no problem giving a suggestion on where to find and read the book online and a direct link to a review. Let readers determine for themselves if you have indeed distorted Shivelbush's work. Why are you so upset that interested persons can validate my critique of your distortions with data I provided. The two-page quick read review pretty much proves that you have distorted the author's original intent and thesis in my opinion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The case is NOT closed, just your mind.

So....we find that after dismissing the scholar, Schivelbusch, out of hand,you never read "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939."

How usual...a Liberal with strong views based on zero knowledge.




It's not too late to change your avi to 'MoreHotAir.'

Although...there are probably lots of Liberals vying for the name.....

Yep! I have to admit that I never heard of Schivelbusch, nor have I ever felt the urge to muse on the 'reflections' you choose to call facts.

Lets end this, chic. Neither of us gives a rat's rump what the other thinks, and I am at a disadvantage. I can't match your vitriol against those who think differently.

PC is distorting Shivebush. He compared, but he did not equate the way the anti-FDR people like PC does. While he compares, he also points out the differences. PC's cherry picking only the comparisons is a good example of how she and those she tries to mimic distort.
The book is actually made available for online reading from The FDR Library.
Here is a two-page review;

Nice try...at being relevant.

I read the book, you didn't.

Second....I am always 100% accurate.
That can be seen by anyone who notices that you were afraid to actually quote anything I said that you could claim "distorted Schivelbusch"

BTW...you spelled it "Shivebush."
I got a kick out of that.



Here is what I posted:

c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’sThe Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers toeach other, not tohim.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.”Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt

Note the quibble words 'it seems clear.'
Really??
To whom?"


I gave a quote, and the link to the Cato article, and their suggestion: ".... it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’sThe Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers toeach other, not tohim.)"

AND....noted my disagreement, that it was more 'clear' to me that Stalin and Mussolini were Roosevelt's ‘blood brothers.’


After all....Roosevelt copied, wholesale, Mussolini's fascist economic plans.....made clear in Schivelbusch's tome....

....and the numerous bows that Roosevelt made to Stalin, militarily, economically, politically, and even socially.


Revealing you to be a lying dunce has become sort of a parlor game for me....
...and an eminently simple one....like you, simple.....at that.

I had no problem giving a suggestion on where to find and read the book online and a direct link to a review. Let readers determine for themselves if you have indeed distorted Shivelbush's work. Why are you so upset that interested persons can validate my critique of your distortions with data I provided. The two-page quick read review pretty much proves that you have distorted the author's original intent and thesis in my opinion.

" Let readers determine for themselves if you have indeed distorted Shivelbush's work."

WHAT????

You want me to rub your face in it again????

No prob!

Let's prove, again, how right I am!!!

1. English and French commentators routinely depicted Roosevelt as akin to Mussolini. A more specific reason why, in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.
   "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939," chapter one,
   by Wolfgang Schivelbusch
   1. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
   2. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
2. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.

Franklin Roosevelt....bringing Fascism to America!
Question...
If you defend FDR.....are you a Fascist???
'Fess up!



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