The rise of fascism, nationalism and populism today

[owebo]

Then, by definition, they deserve the same treatment. A threat to national security is a threat be it foreign or domestic.

That assumes then that all American citizens - by virtue of their race/ethnic background/religion are pre-judged guilty.

No, not at all.

By default it does. The government registers them. Freezes their assets and confiscates their property. Interns them.

You mean like gun owners are registered?

Guns are tools. Not people. We register cars after all. And we register property.

Cars are not in the constitution and property is not portable requiring a means of legally title be recorded.....

Guns are in the constitution,mans the instructions for them are crystal clear....

 

[owebo]

Totalitarianism is Strictly Left.
Freedom is to the right.

Not according to most historians.

An honest historian doesn't see left and right out of context. Right wing in North Korea is not the same as the right wing here.

Which is why an honest historian doesn't see political ideologies in a simple left-right paradigm.

Right, because they would be out of business.....

 

[owebo]

Totalitarianism is Strictly Left.
Freedom is to the right.

Not according to most historians.

What historians is the better question.....fascism is a far left thing, and I can't blame you for being horrified upon realizing what you are after being indoctrinated you're not.....

You guys are too cowardly to own your own extremists. Can't blame you.

Yep....I am an extremist leftist.....I am just to the left of the Articles of Confederation.....

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Totalitarianism is Strictly Left.
Freedom is to the right.

Not according to most historians.

What historians is the better question.....fascism is a far left thing, and I can't blame you for being horrified upon realizing what you are after being indoctrinated you're not.....

You guys are too cowardly to own your own extremists. Can't blame you.

Pupps personally owns no extremists. Must Pupps become a slave owner?

 

[The Original Tree]

Totalitarianism is Strictly Left.
Freedom is to the right.

Not according to most historians.

You need to take a history class. You also need to review the political spectrum graph. Don't let some slimy leftist professor try to tell you he is a champion of freedom, and that Libertarians, and Conservatives are trying to take it. Wake up dummy.
Below is the correct categorizations of the various political classifications.

 

[Coyote]

Totalitarianism is Strictly Left.
Freedom is to the right.

Not according to most historians.

You need to take a history class. You also need to review the political spectrum graph. Don't let some slimy leftist professor try to tell you he is a champion of freedom, and that Libertarians, and Conservatives are trying to take it. Wake up dummy.
Below is the correct categorizations of the various political classifications.

I have. Have you?

 

[owebo]

Totalitarianism is Strictly Left.
Freedom is to the right.

Not according to most historians.

You need to take a history class. You also need to review the political spectrum graph. Don't let some slimy leftist professor try to tell you he is a champion of freedom, and that Libertarians, and Conservatives are trying to take it. Wake up dummy.
Below is the correct categorizations of the various political classifications.

I have. Have you?

No,,you haven't.....

Open your indoctrinated mind.....

 

[Iceweasel]

Tariffs and personally interfering with business decisions of companies IS protectionism.

By interfering you mean offering tax relief like every state and city does? Tariffs are appropriate if they put tariffs on us, tit for tat. Businesses can't do it, government has to.

 

[hunarcy]

Fascism is dead forever I guess.
In my opinion Donald Trump and the European right wing movements have nothing to do with Fascism.
People that vote for them are just sick and tired of the social and economic situation in their countries

People that vote for them are the same people that call for banning an entire religion, stripping civil rights and freedoms from citizens and creating registries and interning citizens. They're the people that want to deport illegal immigrants who were brought here as children, grew up here, and have done nothing wrong.

If there's nothing wrong with their being in the United States, why do you call them illegal? It's because they are not here legally and that's wrong.

 

[Coyote]

Tariffs and personally interfering with business decisions of companies IS protectionism.

By interfering you mean offering tax relief like every state and city does? Tariffs are appropriate if they put tariffs on us, tit for tat. That's how the big boys play.

But we aren't talking about tit for tat.

Rightwing has traditionally been largely government hands off free trade.

 

[Coyote]

Fascism is dead forever I guess.
In my opinion Donald Trump and the European right wing movements have nothing to do with Fascism.
People that vote for them are just sick and tired of the social and economic situation in their countries

People that vote for them are the same people that call for banning an entire religion, stripping civil rights and freedoms from citizens and creating registries and interning citizens. They're the people that want to deport illegal immigrants who were brought here as children, grew up here, and have done nothing wrong.

If there's nothing wrong with their being in the United States, why do you call them illegal? It's because they are not here legally and that's wrong.

Yes, they're here illegally through no fault of their own.

 

[Iceweasel]

Then, by definition, they deserve the same treatment. A threat to national security is a threat be it foreign or domestic.

That assumes then that all American citizens - by virtue of their race/ethnic background/religion are pre-judged guilty.

No, not at all.

By default it does. The government registers them. Freezes their assets and confiscates their property. Interns them.

You mean like gun owners are registered?

Guns are tools. Not people. We register cars after all. And we register property.

There's no right to drive a car, that's a privilege of the state.

 

[owebo]

Tariffs and personally interfering with business decisions of companies IS protectionism.

By interfering you mean offering tax relief like every state and city does? Tariffs are appropriate if they put tariffs on us, tit for tat. That's how the big boys play.

But we aren't talking about tit for tat.

Rightwing has traditionally been largely government hands off free trade.

Which is where we are heading......

 

[Coyote]

Tariffs and personally interfering with business decisions of companies IS protectionism.

By interfering you mean offering tax relief like every state and city does? Tariffs are appropriate if they put tariffs on us, tit for tat. That's how the big boys play.

But we aren't talking about tit for tat.

Rightwing has traditionally been largely government hands off free trade.

Which is where we are heading......

Not according to Trump.

 

[kaz]

Fascism is loosely defined as a form of extreme “authoritarian nationalism” identified with Italy’s Mussolini. It’s principle attributes were an aggressive nationalism, a militarized society, a populist charismatic leader and prolific promises to cure every political and economic ill. It was particularly appealing to an economically depressed post-war society that had seen its way of life and culture turned upside down. Fascism promised action, not diplomacy, not nuance, even if it could not in reality deliver on those promises.

Mussolini was the “anti-establishment outsider” who became the voice of all those disillusioned with the government, the democratic process, and the economy. His rhetoric attracted the unemployed, the economically disenfranchised, veterans, and nationalists. In 1922, when Italy’s king called on Mussolini to form a government he had no idea what that entailed other than fulfilling a personal ambition for power.

In 1938, fascism took on distinctly racist/anti-semitic overtones when it began to collaborate with the Nazi’s. Italy passed it’s “Italian Racial Laws”. These laws codified what had previously been a campaign conducted in the media with the publication of the “Manifesto of Race” Manifesto of Race - Wikipedia This manifesto declared Italians to be of a superior race, and targeted other races as “inferior” - notably Jews and immigrants from Italy’s colonies. They were banned from marrying Italians, and from positions in banking, education, government and their property was confiscated.

Fascism, extreme nationalism and ideas of racial, ethnic, cultural or religious superiority are closely entertwined. Almost every country that has seen a rise in populist movements, such as fascism, has also seen a rise in anti-immigrant sentiment, legislation targeting specific racial, ethnic or religious groups and a rise in “justified” violence or special restrictions aimed at those groups.

World War 2 saw increased nationalistic fervor after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. American citizens of Japanese were first required to register. Then, their assets were frozen. Then they were ordered to “assembly points” and interned. Their property was confiscated. American citizens of Italian and German descent joined them. Is it so impossible for people to conceive of the fact that American citizens regardless of their ancestry are Americans first? Apparently it is.

We want to say “that was then, this is now”. That today is somehow different. But is it?

Look at the rise of populist rightwing movements across Europe and with the recent election of Donald Trump.

Geert Wilders, recently in the news again and with a very real chance of winning a government now with a coalition. What is the platform for his Party for Freedom?

They include the predictable anti-immigrant/Islam rhetoric, including completely banning an entire religion, closing all mosques and banning the Koran, the withdrawal of all residence permits granted to asylum seekers, and some rather obscurely defined planks such as:

Ban of overall Muslim expressions that are against the public order (defined how?)
Preventive incarceration of radical Muslims (determined how?).​

They also include populist promisies that likely can't be delivered upon:

The Netherlands will reclaim its independence. Therefore, we leave the EU.
Direct democracy: binding referendums, citizens have the power.
Deductible/excess in healthcare insurance is eliminated
Rents to be lowered
No more money for foreign aid, windmills, art, innovation, public broadcasters, etc.
Plenty extra funds for defense and police
Lower income taxes
50% reduction for vehicle ownership taxes​

Donald Trump campaigned on deporting immigrants and halting immigration, registries for Muslims, border security, tax cuts, bringing jobs back and increased defense. Supporters don’t rule out internment camps and banning entire religions. Mussolini attacked the leftwing media and attempted to close them down, a few managed to continue to operate under difficult conditions. We've heard Trump rail about the media and we've heard him propose legislation against them and creating his own media service.

I think these are truly dangerous times for civil liberties and freedoms throughout the western world.

What a load. More liberal mental masturbation

 

[owebo]

Tariffs and personally interfering with business decisions of companies IS protectionism.

By interfering you mean offering tax relief like every state and city does? Tariffs are appropriate if they put tariffs on us, tit for tat. That's how the big boys play.

But we aren't talking about tit for tat.

Rightwing has traditionally been largely government hands off free trade.

Which is where we are heading......

Not according to Trump.

Sure is, according to Trump.....

 

[kaz]

What is going on politically that makes one think Fascism is on the rise?

Democrats are losing, charge up the hysteria!

 

[ptbw forever]

Part of the rise in conservative thought in the US is a direct result of government. America has had enough of the leftward tilt. The rats brought this upon themselves. They awoke the sleeping giant of middle America and galvanized it...against them.

I don't think it's the "leftward tilt"...because when you come right down to it, Trump isn't completely rightwing. He's populist. He supports big tax cuts (rightwing) but yet he is interventionist on trade and business' - distinctly not rightwing.

He has one of the most right wing cabinets in history.

No he doesn't. I can prove my point. Can you?

He does, and that is a good thing.

 

[ptbw forever]

Totalitarianism is Strictly Left.
Freedom is to the right.

Not according to most historians.

An honest historian doesn't see left and right out of context. Right wing in North Korea is not the same as the right wing here.

Which is why an honest historian doesn't see political ideologies in a simple left-right paradigm.

Says the moron who insists that fascists are right wing.

 

[The Original Tree]

Totalitarianism is Strictly Left.
Freedom is to the right.

Not according to most historians.

You need to take a history class. You also need to review the political spectrum graph. Don't let some slimy leftist professor try to tell you he is a champion of freedom, and that Libertarians, and Conservatives are trying to take it. Wake up dummy.
Below is the correct categorizations of the various political classifications.

I have. Have you?

Your charts are wrong btw, and I happen to hold a couple degrees. Fascism, Nazism, and Communism are within the same spectral neighborhood.
Totalitarianism-Collectivism-Socialism-Communism-Fascism-Nazism all are categorized as having the most social control, and governmental control over a populous. They are Government Centric and Leftist.

Representative Republics, Democracy, Libertarianism, Natural Law, Conservatism and even Anarchy seek to grant individuals the most freedom and Individuals control of those that govern them. They are "We The People" Centric and They are Right.

So to recap for dummies.

Left means:
The Government Control The People

Right means:
The People Control The Government


It's really that simple.

So simple a caveman can understand it, but apparently too complicated for a liberal.