The rise of fascism, nationalism and populism today

[ZZ PUPPS]

This is 2016 America. Grow the fuck up

This is Zone 2 Politics - discuss the topic.

What is there to discuss? You are comparing 2016 America to some other country and its leader decades ago. Its completely fallacious.
Maybe you can try expanding on how you think this is in ANY WAY comparable to present situations, I would love to discuss.
If I started an OP that was comparing twinkle twinkle little star to a rap song called "I fucked your mother cause I gave her a crack rock" would you expect me to get any decent arguments?

If it's completely fallacious, then explain how. What comparisons are wrong?

You are comparing 2016-2017 America to 1920s Italy. How is it NOT fallacious?
Ignorant people start screaming a totalitarian name for no reason other than they don't like what people are saying.
Trump cant do the things M did. He just fucking cant. He passed a law that made him head of government. THINK
"that guy is against globalism and wants his fellow countrymen safe. He is a NAZI!!!"
Do you have any idea how that sounds?

I'm pointing out similarities. I agree - Trump can't do what Mussolini did. Not sure about European far right movements in their respective countries though. There ARE however similarities in rhetoric and platform (the promises he made). We have more protections, but those protections did not stop us from registering, confiscating the property of and interning American citizens of certain ancestry did it? Could it happen again? What do you think?

Should an Islamic nuclear device be detonated in the US, you can take it to the bank it will happen again.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

As a Republican and a Conservative, I am afraid of blacks and muslims. I am afraid of just about everything because I am a pussy conservative. So I voted for Trump because I think he will keep me safe. Because I am a pussy.

I wish I was brave like the liberals are. They are not afraid of terrorists and Mexicans. They do not hide in fear behind guns, or trade their liberty for the promise of safety. Why are us conservatives such pussies. Answer me that?

I'm not sure where to go with this....

Trash heap. Just a leftist being a typical asshole.

 

[Coyote]

While that will fit on a bumper sticker, and look real pretty, I'm afraid most historians don't agree with your revisionism. Someday, you guys will have to put on your big girl panties and own your extremists. Hell, we got the socialists and commies covered. You've got the fascists and nazi's. And now we are seeing the rise of fascism. Communism is largely a failed ideology.

Maybe it's too complex but an extremist here wants little to no government. That doesn't describe 1940s Italy. Most on the right just doesn't want government standing on our necks. Populism? What is obama? It's OK for the left but not for the right?

To hold your views one must genuflect into a pretzel shape.

Populism is most common in democratic nations. Political scientist Cas Mudde wrote that, "Many observers have noted that populism is inherent to representative democracy; after all, do populists not juxtapose 'the pure people' against 'the corrupt elite'?

Does that not sound exactly like Donald Trump?

Far Right Ideologies:

Far-right politics are right-wing politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right.


Far-right politics often involve a focus on tradition, real or imagined, as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. Many far-right ideologies have a disregard or disdain for egalitarianism, if not overt support for social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism.


The term is commonly used to describe right-wing populist ideologies known for extreme nationalism and opposition to immigration,[1] as well as Nazism,[2] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, or reactionary views,[3] which can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[4] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions.[5]
​

It's actually probably more accurate to look at ideologies beyond a simple right/left spectrum...

 

[Coyote]

This is Zone 2 Politics - discuss the topic.

What is there to discuss? You are comparing 2016 America to some other country and its leader decades ago. Its completely fallacious.
Maybe you can try expanding on how you think this is in ANY WAY comparable to present situations, I would love to discuss.
If I started an OP that was comparing twinkle twinkle little star to a rap song called "I fucked your mother cause I gave her a crack rock" would you expect me to get any decent arguments?

If it's completely fallacious, then explain how. What comparisons are wrong?

You are comparing 2016-2017 America to 1920s Italy. How is it NOT fallacious?
Ignorant people start screaming a totalitarian name for no reason other than they don't like what people are saying.
Trump cant do the things M did. He just fucking cant. He passed a law that made him head of government. THINK
"that guy is against globalism and wants his fellow countrymen safe. He is a NAZI!!!"
Do you have any idea how that sounds?

I'm pointing out similarities. I agree - Trump can't do what Mussolini did. Not sure about European far right movements in their respective countries though. There ARE however similarities in rhetoric and platform (the promises he made). We have more protections, but those protections did not stop us from registering, confiscating the property of and interning American citizens of certain ancestry did it? Could it happen again? What do you think?

Should an Islamic nuclear device be detonated in the US, you can take it to the bank it will happen again.

What if it's a rightwing extremist nuclear device?

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Part of the rise in conservative thought in the US is a direct result of government. America has had enough of the leftward tilt. The rats brought this upon themselves. They awoke the sleeping giant of middle America and galvanized it...against them.

I don't think it's the "leftward tilt"...because when you come right down to it, Trump isn't completely rightwing. He's populist. He supports big tax cuts (rightwing) but yet he is interventionist on trade and business' - distinctly not rightwing.

Trump appealed to middle America with illegal immigration and Islamic unvetted immigration, common sense (trannies can chose their restroom, etc. and children be damned) plus the standard taxes and jobs proposals. By definition, middle America is populist and he crafted a message to them...they responded. He presented a contrast to Obama / Clinton's leftist agenda and did so from the middle.

 

[Iceweasel]

This is 2016 America. Grow the fuck up

This is Zone 2 Politics - discuss the topic.

What is there to discuss? You are comparing 2016 America to some other country and its leader decades ago. Its completely fallacious.
Maybe you can try expanding on how you think this is in ANY WAY comparable to present situations, I would love to discuss.
If I started an OP that was comparing twinkle twinkle little star to a rap song called "I fucked your mother cause I gave her a crack rock" would you expect me to get any decent arguments?

If it's completely fallacious, then explain how. What comparisons are wrong?

You are comparing 2016-2017 America to 1920s Italy. How is it NOT fallacious?
Ignorant people start screaming a totalitarian name for no reason other than they don't like what people are saying.
Trump cant do the things M did. He just fucking cant. He passed a law that made him head of government. THINK
"that guy is against globalism and wants his fellow countrymen safe. He is a NAZI!!!"
Do you have any idea how that sounds?

I'm pointing out similarities. I agree - Trump can't do what Mussolini did. Not sure about European far right movements in their respective countries though. There ARE however similarities in rhetoric and platform (the promises he made). We have more protections, but those protections did not stop us from registering, confiscating the property of and interning American citizens of certain ancestry did it? Could it happen again? What do you think?

Making smart trade deals isn't protectionism and we are not at war with Japan or even a particular country. We did stop German immigration during the war though, can you imagine why?

 

[Iceweasel]

What is there to discuss? You are comparing 2016 America to some other country and its leader decades ago. Its completely fallacious.
Maybe you can try expanding on how you think this is in ANY WAY comparable to present situations, I would love to discuss.
If I started an OP that was comparing twinkle twinkle little star to a rap song called "I fucked your mother cause I gave her a crack rock" would you expect me to get any decent arguments?

If it's completely fallacious, then explain how. What comparisons are wrong?

You are comparing 2016-2017 America to 1920s Italy. How is it NOT fallacious?
Ignorant people start screaming a totalitarian name for no reason other than they don't like what people are saying.
Trump cant do the things M did. He just fucking cant. He passed a law that made him head of government. THINK
"that guy is against globalism and wants his fellow countrymen safe. He is a NAZI!!!"
Do you have any idea how that sounds?

I'm pointing out similarities. I agree - Trump can't do what Mussolini did. Not sure about European far right movements in their respective countries though. There ARE however similarities in rhetoric and platform (the promises he made). We have more protections, but those protections did not stop us from registering, confiscating the property of and interning American citizens of certain ancestry did it? Could it happen again? What do you think?

Should an Islamic nuclear device be detonated in the US, you can take it to the bank it will happen again.

What if it's a rightwing extremist nuclear device?

Well then we have to round up everyone that didn't vote for Hillary and shoot them.

Jesus Christ!

 

[Coyote]

This is Zone 2 Politics - discuss the topic.

What is there to discuss? You are comparing 2016 America to some other country and its leader decades ago. Its completely fallacious.
Maybe you can try expanding on how you think this is in ANY WAY comparable to present situations, I would love to discuss.
If I started an OP that was comparing twinkle twinkle little star to a rap song called "I fucked your mother cause I gave her a crack rock" would you expect me to get any decent arguments?

If it's completely fallacious, then explain how. What comparisons are wrong?

You are comparing 2016-2017 America to 1920s Italy. How is it NOT fallacious?
Ignorant people start screaming a totalitarian name for no reason other than they don't like what people are saying.
Trump cant do the things M did. He just fucking cant. He passed a law that made him head of government. THINK
"that guy is against globalism and wants his fellow countrymen safe. He is a NAZI!!!"
Do you have any idea how that sounds?

I'm pointing out similarities. I agree - Trump can't do what Mussolini did. Not sure about European far right movements in their respective countries though. There ARE however similarities in rhetoric and platform (the promises he made). We have more protections, but those protections did not stop us from registering, confiscating the property of and interning American citizens of certain ancestry did it? Could it happen again? What do you think?

Yes.....democrats interned Japanese, German and Italian Americans.......keeping democrats out of power will keep that from happening again...

Political party is irrelevant - look at the rhetoric coming from the right right now and compare that with the rhetoric coming from the left.

 

[Coyote]

This is Zone 2 Politics - discuss the topic.

What is there to discuss? You are comparing 2016 America to some other country and its leader decades ago. Its completely fallacious.
Maybe you can try expanding on how you think this is in ANY WAY comparable to present situations, I would love to discuss.
If I started an OP that was comparing twinkle twinkle little star to a rap song called "I fucked your mother cause I gave her a crack rock" would you expect me to get any decent arguments?

If it's completely fallacious, then explain how. What comparisons are wrong?

You are comparing 2016-2017 America to 1920s Italy. How is it NOT fallacious?
Ignorant people start screaming a totalitarian name for no reason other than they don't like what people are saying.
Trump cant do the things M did. He just fucking cant. He passed a law that made him head of government. THINK
"that guy is against globalism and wants his fellow countrymen safe. He is a NAZI!!!"
Do you have any idea how that sounds?

I'm pointing out similarities. I agree - Trump can't do what Mussolini did. Not sure about European far right movements in their respective countries though. There ARE however similarities in rhetoric and platform (the promises he made). We have more protections, but those protections did not stop us from registering, confiscating the property of and interning American citizens of certain ancestry did it? Could it happen again? What do you think?

Making smart trade deals isn't protectionism and we are not at war with Japan or even a particular country. We did stop German immigration during the war though, can you imagine why?

Tariffs and personally interfering with business decisions of companies IS protectionism.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

What is there to discuss? You are comparing 2016 America to some other country and its leader decades ago. Its completely fallacious.
Maybe you can try expanding on how you think this is in ANY WAY comparable to present situations, I would love to discuss.
If I started an OP that was comparing twinkle twinkle little star to a rap song called "I fucked your mother cause I gave her a crack rock" would you expect me to get any decent arguments?

If it's completely fallacious, then explain how. What comparisons are wrong?

You are comparing 2016-2017 America to 1920s Italy. How is it NOT fallacious?
Ignorant people start screaming a totalitarian name for no reason other than they don't like what people are saying.
Trump cant do the things M did. He just fucking cant. He passed a law that made him head of government. THINK
"that guy is against globalism and wants his fellow countrymen safe. He is a NAZI!!!"
Do you have any idea how that sounds?

I'm pointing out similarities. I agree - Trump can't do what Mussolini did. Not sure about European far right movements in their respective countries though. There ARE however similarities in rhetoric and platform (the promises he made). We have more protections, but those protections did not stop us from registering, confiscating the property of and interning American citizens of certain ancestry did it? Could it happen again? What do you think?

Should an Islamic nuclear device be detonated in the US, you can take it to the bank it will happen again.

What if it's a rightwing extremist nuclear device?

Then, by definition, they deserve the same treatment. A threat to national security is a threat be it foreign or domestic.

 

[Coyote]

Part of the rise in conservative thought in the US is a direct result of government. America has had enough of the leftward tilt. The rats brought this upon themselves. They awoke the sleeping giant of middle America and galvanized it...against them.

I don't think it's the "leftward tilt"...because when you come right down to it, Trump isn't completely rightwing. He's populist. He supports big tax cuts (rightwing) but yet he is interventionist on trade and business' - distinctly not rightwing.

Trump appealed to middle America with illegal immigration and Islamic unvetted immigration, common sense (trannies can chose their restroom, etc. and children be damned) plus the standard taxes and jobs proposals. By definition, middle America is populist and he crafted a message to them...they responded. He presented a contrast to Obama / Clinton's leftist agenda and did so from the middle.

Are you saying Trump is not a populist?

 

[Iceweasel]

While that will fit on a bumper sticker, and look real pretty, I'm afraid most historians don't agree with your revisionism. Someday, you guys will have to put on your big girl panties and own your extremists. Hell, we got the socialists and commies covered. You've got the fascists and nazi's. And now we are seeing the rise of fascism. Communism is largely a failed ideology.

Maybe it's too complex but an extremist here wants little to no government. That doesn't describe 1940s Italy. Most on the right just doesn't want government standing on our necks. Populism? What is obama? It's OK for the left but not for the right?

To hold your views one must genuflect into a pretzel shape.

Populism is most common in democratic nations. Political scientist Cas Mudde wrote that, "Many observers have noted that populism is inherent to representative democracy; after all, do populists not juxtapose 'the pure people' against 'the corrupt elite'?

Does that not sound exactly like Donald Trump?

Far Right Ideologies:

Far-right politics are right-wing politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right.


Far-right politics often involve a focus on tradition, real or imagined, as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. Many far-right ideologies have a disregard or disdain for egalitarianism, if not overt support for social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism.


The term is commonly used to describe right-wing populist ideologies known for extreme nationalism and opposition to immigration,[1] as well as Nazism,[2] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, or reactionary views,[3] which can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[4] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions.[5]
​

Wrong. This isn't Europe. The right here wants more freedom and less government. This IS too complex for you! Populism has nothing to do with democracies, Cuba isn't a democracy and they are probably still in mourning.

 

[Coyote]

If it's completely fallacious, then explain how. What comparisons are wrong?

You are comparing 2016-2017 America to 1920s Italy. How is it NOT fallacious?
Ignorant people start screaming a totalitarian name for no reason other than they don't like what people are saying.
Trump cant do the things M did. He just fucking cant. He passed a law that made him head of government. THINK
"that guy is against globalism and wants his fellow countrymen safe. He is a NAZI!!!"
Do you have any idea how that sounds?

I'm pointing out similarities. I agree - Trump can't do what Mussolini did. Not sure about European far right movements in their respective countries though. There ARE however similarities in rhetoric and platform (the promises he made). We have more protections, but those protections did not stop us from registering, confiscating the property of and interning American citizens of certain ancestry did it? Could it happen again? What do you think?

Should an Islamic nuclear device be detonated in the US, you can take it to the bank it will happen again.

What if it's a rightwing extremist nuclear device?

Then, by definition, they deserve the same treatment. A threat to national security is a threat be it foreign or domestic.

That assumes then that all American citizens - by virtue of their race/ethnic background/religion are pre-judged guilty.

 

[Iceweasel]

Part of the rise in conservative thought in the US is a direct result of government. America has had enough of the leftward tilt. The rats brought this upon themselves. They awoke the sleeping giant of middle America and galvanized it...against them.

I don't think it's the "leftward tilt"...because when you come right down to it, Trump isn't completely rightwing. He's populist. He supports big tax cuts (rightwing) but yet he is interventionist on trade and business' - distinctly not rightwing.

Trump appealed to middle America with illegal immigration and Islamic unvetted immigration, common sense (trannies can chose their restroom, etc. and children be damned) plus the standard taxes and jobs proposals. By definition, middle America is populist and he crafted a message to them...they responded. He presented a contrast to Obama / Clinton's leftist agenda and did so from the middle.

Are you saying Trump is not a populist?

He sold jobs and security, obama sold hope and change. You figure it out.

 

[owebo]

While that will fit on a bumper sticker, and look real pretty, I'm afraid most historians don't agree with your revisionism. Someday, you guys will have to put on your big girl panties and own your extremists. Hell, we got the socialists and commies covered. You've got the fascists and nazi's. And now we are seeing the rise of fascism. Communism is largely a failed ideology.

Maybe it's too complex but an extremist here wants little to no government. That doesn't describe 1940s Italy. Most on the right just doesn't want government standing on our necks. Populism? What is obama? It's OK for the left but not for the right?

To hold your views one must genuflect into a pretzel shape.

Populism is most common in democratic nations. Political scientist Cas Mudde wrote that, "Many observers have noted that populism is inherent to representative democracy; after all, do populists not juxtapose 'the pure people' against 'the corrupt elite'?

Does that not sound exactly like Donald Trump?

Far Right Ideologies:

Far-right politics are right-wing politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right.


Far-right politics often involve a focus on tradition, real or imagined, as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. Many far-right ideologies have a disregard or disdain for egalitarianism, if not overt support for social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism.


The term is commonly used to describe right-wing populist ideologies known for extreme nationalism and opposition to immigration,[1] as well as Nazism,[2] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, or reactionary views,[3] which can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[4] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions.[5]
​

It's actually probably more accurate to look at ideologies beyond a simple right/left spectrum...

Drop the propaganda, you look like a fool....

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Part of the rise in conservative thought in the US is a direct result of government. America has had enough of the leftward tilt. The rats brought this upon themselves. They awoke the sleeping giant of middle America and galvanized it...against them.

I don't think it's the "leftward tilt"...because when you come right down to it, Trump isn't completely rightwing. He's populist. He supports big tax cuts (rightwing) but yet he is interventionist on trade and business' - distinctly not rightwing.

Trump appealed to middle America with illegal immigration and Islamic unvetted immigration, common sense (trannies can chose their restroom, etc. and children be damned) plus the standard taxes and jobs proposals. By definition, middle America is populist and he crafted a message to them...they responded. He presented a contrast to Obama / Clinton's leftist agenda and did so from the middle.

Are you saying Trump is not a populist?

No, I'm saying just the opposite.

 

[Coyote]

While that will fit on a bumper sticker, and look real pretty, I'm afraid most historians don't agree with your revisionism. Someday, you guys will have to put on your big girl panties and own your extremists. Hell, we got the socialists and commies covered. You've got the fascists and nazi's. And now we are seeing the rise of fascism. Communism is largely a failed ideology.

Maybe it's too complex but an extremist here wants little to no government. That doesn't describe 1940s Italy. Most on the right just doesn't want government standing on our necks. Populism? What is obama? It's OK for the left but not for the right?

To hold your views one must genuflect into a pretzel shape.

Populism is most common in democratic nations. Political scientist Cas Mudde wrote that, "Many observers have noted that populism is inherent to representative democracy; after all, do populists not juxtapose 'the pure people' against 'the corrupt elite'?

Does that not sound exactly like Donald Trump?

Far Right Ideologies:

Far-right politics are right-wing politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right.


Far-right politics often involve a focus on tradition, real or imagined, as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. Many far-right ideologies have a disregard or disdain for egalitarianism, if not overt support for social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism.


The term is commonly used to describe right-wing populist ideologies known for extreme nationalism and opposition to immigration,[1] as well as Nazism,[2] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, or reactionary views,[3] which can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[4] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions.[5]
​

Wrong. This isn't Europe. The right here wants more freedom and less government. This IS too complex for you! Populism has nothing to do with democracies, Cuba isn't a democracy and they are probably still in mourning.

Then why did the right vote for Trump with his government interference in private business'? Government creating registries for certain American citizens? Increased government surveilance and weakening of privacy rights? How about government interference in people's decisions to marry?

 

[Coyote]

While that will fit on a bumper sticker, and look real pretty, I'm afraid most historians don't agree with your revisionism. Someday, you guys will have to put on your big girl panties and own your extremists. Hell, we got the socialists and commies covered. You've got the fascists and nazi's. And now we are seeing the rise of fascism. Communism is largely a failed ideology.

Maybe it's too complex but an extremist here wants little to no government. That doesn't describe 1940s Italy. Most on the right just doesn't want government standing on our necks. Populism? What is obama? It's OK for the left but not for the right?

To hold your views one must genuflect into a pretzel shape.

Populism is most common in democratic nations. Political scientist Cas Mudde wrote that, "Many observers have noted that populism is inherent to representative democracy; after all, do populists not juxtapose 'the pure people' against 'the corrupt elite'?

Does that not sound exactly like Donald Trump?

Far Right Ideologies:

Far-right politics are right-wing politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right.


Far-right politics often involve a focus on tradition, real or imagined, as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. Many far-right ideologies have a disregard or disdain for egalitarianism, if not overt support for social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism.


The term is commonly used to describe right-wing populist ideologies known for extreme nationalism and opposition to immigration,[1] as well as Nazism,[2] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, or reactionary views,[3] which can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[4] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions.[5]
​

It's actually probably more accurate to look at ideologies beyond a simple right/left spectrum...

Drop the propaganda, you look like a fool....

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Nice bit of propoganda you got there

 

[Coyote]

Part of the rise in conservative thought in the US is a direct result of government. America has had enough of the leftward tilt. The rats brought this upon themselves. They awoke the sleeping giant of middle America and galvanized it...against them.

I don't think it's the "leftward tilt"...because when you come right down to it, Trump isn't completely rightwing. He's populist. He supports big tax cuts (rightwing) but yet he is interventionist on trade and business' - distinctly not rightwing.

Trump appealed to middle America with illegal immigration and Islamic unvetted immigration, common sense (trannies can chose their restroom, etc. and children be damned) plus the standard taxes and jobs proposals. By definition, middle America is populist and he crafted a message to them...they responded. He presented a contrast to Obama / Clinton's leftist agenda and did so from the middle.

Are you saying Trump is not a populist?

He sold jobs and security, obama sold hope and change. You figure it out.

Actually, he was much like Obama - he sold hope and change - anti-establishment/promises of change.,

 

[OldLady]

Fascism is loosely defined as a form of extreme “authoritarian nationalism” identified with Italy’s Mussolini. It’s principle attributes were an aggressive nationalism, a militarized society, a populist charismatic leader and prolific promises to cure every political and economic ill. It was particularly appealing to an economically depressed post-war society that had seen its way of life and culture turned upside down. Fascism promised action, not diplomacy, not nuance, even if it could not in reality deliver on those promises.

Mussolini was the “anti-establishment outsider” who became the voice of all those disillusioned with the government, the democratic process, and the economy. His rhetoric attracted the unemployed, the economically disenfranchised, veterans, and nationalists. In 1922, when Italy’s king called on Mussolini to form a government he had no idea what that entailed other than fulfilling a personal ambition for power.

In 1938, fascism took on distinctly racist/anti-semitic overtones when it began to collaborate with the Nazi’s. Italy passed it’s “Italian Racial Laws”. These laws codified what had previously been a campaign conducted in the media with the publication of the “Manifesto of Race” Manifesto of Race - Wikipedia This manifesto declared Italians to be of a superior race, and targeted other races as “inferior” - notably Jews and immigrants from Italy’s colonies. They were banned from marrying Italians, and from positions in banking, education, government and their property was confiscated.

Fascism, extreme nationalism and ideas of racial, ethnic, cultural or religious superiority are closely entertwined. Almost every country that has seen a rise in populist movements, such as fascism, has also seen a rise in anti-immigrant sentiment, legislation targeting specific racial, ethnic or religious groups and a rise in “justified” violence or special restrictions aimed at those groups.

World War 2 saw increased nationalistic fervor after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. American citizens of Japanese were first required to register. Then, their assets were frozen. Then they were ordered to “assembly points” and interned. Their property was confiscated. American citizens of Italian and German descent joined them. Is it so impossible for people to conceive of the fact that American citizens regardless of their ancestry are Americans first? Apparently it is.

We want to say “that was then, this is now”. That today is somehow different. But is it?

Look at the rise of populist rightwing movements across Europe and with the recent election of Donald Trump.

Geert Wilders, recently in the news again and with a very real chance of winning a government now with a coalition. What is the platform for his Party for Freedom?

They include the predictable anti-immigrant/Islam rhetoric, including completely banning an entire religion, closing all mosques and banning the Koran, the withdrawal of all residence permits granted to asylum seekers, and some rather obscurely defined planks such as:

Ban of overall Muslim expressions that are against the public order (defined how?)
Preventive incarceration of radical Muslims (determined how?).​

They also include populist promisies that likely can't be delivered upon:

The Netherlands will reclaim its independence. Therefore, we leave the EU.
Direct democracy: binding referendums, citizens have the power.
Deductible/excess in healthcare insurance is eliminated
Rents to be lowered
No more money for foreign aid, windmills, art, innovation, public broadcasters, etc.
Plenty extra funds for defense and police
Lower income taxes
50% reduction for vehicle ownership taxes​

Donald Trump campaigned on deporting immigrants and halting immigration, registries for Muslims, border security, tax cuts, bringing jobs back and increased defense. Supporters don’t rule out internment camps and banning entire religions. Mussolini attacked the leftwing media and attempted to close them down, a few managed to continue to operate under difficult conditions. We've heard Trump rail about the media and we've heard him propose legislation against them and creating his own media service.

I think these are truly dangerous times for civil liberties and freedoms throughout the western world.

It's really quite simple....you best start running to the right...

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While that will fit on a bumper sticker, and look real pretty, I'm afraid most historians don't agree with your revisionism. Someday, you guys will have to put on your big girl panties and own your extremists. Hell, we got the socialists and commies covered. You've got the fascists and nazi's. And now we are seeing the rise of fascism. Communism is largely a failed ideology.

Because the majority of historians in academia are left wing hacks...who want to hide the fact that the nazis and italian fascists were socialists......because if they don't, then all of the worst mass murders since 1917 were committed by socialists.....

Fascism, nazism and communism are just different styles of socialism.....but keep trying to deny it...we have the internet now so you can't just lie and get away with it...

Explain to me how the economic policies of capitalism will automatically, without further ado, defeat any movement of nationalistic, populist and anti-immigrant policies? How will capitalism, alone, stop any of this or stop individual rights being crushed?