The Right To Bear Arms

[The Derp]

nothing in your post is true.

How fucking wrong you are.

1. American gun ownership drops to lowest in nearly 40 years
2. The Weird Reason Why Gun Ownership in America Is at Its Lowest Point Since the 1970s
3. American gun ownership and hunting rates at record lows, survey says

So record low gun ownership rates = fewer gun customers
Fewer gun customers = market shrinking
Market shrinking = lower profits

 

[2aguy]

Yeah, but see, leftists are terrified of all semi-automatic weapons, because it has "automatic" in the name, and they therefore assume we're talking about machine guns.

Wrong answer, fruitcake. What is has the highest body count for a weapon in the mass shootings in the last 25 years? Yes, it's a semi auto but it's based on a full auto brother. It's designed to kill very quickly and efficiently of people. It's the weapon of choice because it does the best job. Can you tell us what weapon I am talking about without the NRA Boilerplate response?

It matters not what a semiauto looks like it only matters how it functions.

WRong answer once again. Part of it is a culture. The Weapon I am specifically referring to is very much part of a culture. Now, name that Weapon. Go ahead and be very specific.

It matters not what any gun looks like only how it performs an the Ar 15 that you are so afraid of performs no differently than any other semiautomatic in existence

Now, was that painful? I hope not. The AR style has become a cult weapon. You can say how others are just as deadly but the AR is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. I am not saying we need to outlaw that specific weapon but we can up it in the firearms where you can't just walk into a store and purchase it in less than 30 minutes or you can't mail order it or buy it at a gunshow with no background check. If you wanted to keep yours then you can keep it. Just pay the 200 bucks that would be required, register the weapon and yourself and become responsible for the weapon and it's uses. ALL AR types used in the mass shootings were purchased legally so let's stop with the "Oh Yah, what about the Criminal". Hand Grenades do a much better job at killing but the people that legally buy them pay the 200 bucks and just don't use them for mass killings no matter what the movies say. People that own Automatic Weapons pay the 200 bucks and are not the problem. But an 18 year old kid with a score to settle that buys it without paying the 200 bucks IS the problem. Actually, it isn't limited to age as the shootings can attest. You just have to be 18 years old or older. Not a problem if the 18 year old pays the 200 bucks for the license to possess one. There are many young people that have at least a class 4 or class D firearms license and you just don't hear about them doing these insane things.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I am not out to take your guns. I just suggest that we reclassify one specific weapon.

No....dipshit...it isn't a cult weapon......it is an easy to use rifle, that allows for customization....and it is very easy for women and small framed humans to use it for self defense, competition, hunting and collecting....

There are 8 million of them in private hands....

And how does anything you propose stop any criminal or mass shooter....dipshit? This shooter and all the others would pay your 200 dollars, register their guns and then go and shoot people....moron.

Nothing you or the other anti gunners propose would stop a criminal or a mass shooter...and that is the point.....you guys want to baby step the restrictions on guns and the fees, and the taxes.....and the paperwork so that normal, law abiding people are too afraid to own legal guns...for fear of failing some step of the process that will lead to a felony conviction for a paperwork mistake....

Meanwhile, criminals don't care....

By the way, genius......felons do not have to register their illegal guns...the Supreme Court, in Haynes v. United States ruled that forcing criminals to register their illegal guns violates their 5th Amendment Rights against self incrimination......so if it violates their Rights, it violates my Rights.....doofus.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

It matters not what any gun looks like only how it performs an the Ar 15 that you are so afraid of performs no differently than any other semiautomatic in existence

Now, was that painful? I hope not. The AR style has become a cult weapon. You can say how others are just as deadly but the AR is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. I am not saying we need to outlaw that specific weapon but we can up it in the firearms where you can't just walk into a store and purchase it in less than 30 minutes or you can't mail order it or buy it at a gunshow with no background check. If you wanted to keep yours then you can keep it. Just pay the 200 bucks that would be required, register the weapon and yourself and become responsible for the weapon and it's uses. ALL AR types used in the mass shootings were purchased legally so let's stop with the "Oh Yah, what about the Criminal". Hand Grenades do a much better job at killing but the people that legally buy them pay the 200 bucks and just don't use them for mass killings no matter what the movies say. People that own Automatic Weapons pay the 200 bucks and are not the problem. But an 18 year old kid with a score to settle that buys it without paying the 200 bucks IS the problem. Actually, it isn't limited to age as the shootings can attest. You just have to be 18 years old or older. Not a problem if the 18 year old pays the 200 bucks for the license to possess one. There are many young people that have at least a class 4 or class D firearms license and you just don't hear about them doing these insane things.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I am not out to take your guns. I just suggest that we reclassify one specific weapon.

And I am telling you that it is beyond stupid to reclassify one specific Semiautomatic rifle because of the way it looks and no other reason.

You can fight it but the genie is out of the bottle. While the School Children that have been terrorized and traumatized can't vote, their parents can and in a few short years the children turn 18. And they agree with what I have said all along. Even many of the large Republican Donors are starting to remove support for anyone that will not go along those lines. Yes, these folks give millions each year to various Republican Candidates but they will not contribute to those that still spew the NRA Boilerplate responses. It's happening more and more each day. The Last Mass Shooting was the straw that broke the camels back. Too bad it didn't get a sore back 25 years ago.

Also, gun ownership continues to fall to its lowest levels ever, which means more and more guns are being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. That's why the NRA wants to weaken restrictions so that crazy people, wife beaters, and terrorists can get guns...THEY NEED THE SALES TO STAY PROFITABLE.

nothing in your post is true.

I am talking only about the AR-15 by many names. In 2015, the sales of the AR peaked. It stayed there in 2016. In 2017, it has gone dramatically down. It's almost like the Bubble Burst. To deny otherwise is just kidding yourself.

 

[2aguy]

nothing in your post is true.

How fucking wrong you are.

1. American gun ownership drops to lowest in nearly 40 years
2. The Weird Reason Why Gun Ownership in America Is at Its Lowest Point Since the 1970s
3. American gun ownership and hunting rates at record lows, survey says

So record low gun ownership rates = fewer gun customers
Fewer gun customers = market shrinking
Market shrinking = lower profits

Wrong...that isn't true.....gun ownership levels are the same as before, and the biggest growth areas are minorities and women.....two groups that have been underrepresented in the legal gun market...

What you are seeing is fewer people willing to admit to anonymous pollsters that they own guns...especially after several newspapers decided to publish the names and addresses of gun owners .........

Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

The ABC News/Washington Post poll shows an even more stable pattern, with household gun ownership between 44 and 46 percent in 1999. In 2013, the ownership rate was 43 percent.

There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

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Gun industry, Bloomberg media square off over female gun owner data

Putting a pin in the balloon of rising female gun ownership, the Trace, a journalism start up funded by Michael Bloomberg’s Everytown for Gun Safety, consulted the General Social Survey. A project of the University of Chicago’s National Opinion Research Center, the GSS has conducted a sociological survey since 1972 to collect historical data on everything from government spending to race relations.

When it comes to gun ownership by women, the pollsters noted the number has averaged about 11 percent over the past three decades with slight dips, to as low as 9.1 percent in 1989, and slight increases, to as high as 13.7 percent in 1982.

“There’s been no meaningful directional change in the percent of women owning guns,” said Tom Smith, the director of the GSS.

However, the National Shooting Sports Foundation on Thursday posted a rebuttal to the article, citing the GSS itself was flawed when it came to gun data– much as they did last yearwhen the survey noted a decline in gun ownership numbers despite eight straight years of increasing firearms sales that set all-time records.

The NSSF contends GSS isn’t actually counting the number of firearms in each household. Rather it is enumerating the number of individuals willing to talk to a stranger at their front door about how many firearms they own. The two concepts, holds the trade group, are vastly different.

“It is a staple of gun control politics to work to diminish both the size and the ever increasing diversity of the firearm-owning American citizenry,” noted Larry Keane, NSSF senior vice president and general counsel. “The Trace provides just the latest example.”

Besides noting the trade group’s own studies in female gun ownership rates, the NSSF also bemoaned the outlet for discounting previous articles in the mainstream media.

“The Trace also asks its readers to discount CBS News, Fox News, Ad Age and dozens of local reporters nationwide (collectively, a ‘credulous press’) who have actually gone to firearms retailers and ranges to report that they see evidence of more and more women buying guns and taking up target shooting as a recreational activity,” wrote Keane.

 

[Issa]

People kill people firearms cannot... No one was made by An AR to kill anybody else.
Gun free zones are killing fields waiting to happen. And firearms have nothing to do with it

So you make it easy for any nutcase to purchase an AR and use it as it was intended for. So just accept the reasonability that you are contributing to those mass shooting of children. Now, that make you a real man doesn't it. And that is the real reason you slaver at the AR when you see it.

just because you wet your panties over people owning an AR 15-please don't project your proclivities upon the rest of us

I can't believe that people get their panties wet when they DISARM their fellow countrymen. Sad.

I want to disarm those that have the highest body counts in mass murders. Simple as that and it can be done. It can't be done until we educate the public about how to do it. I know how to do it but you seem to keep going with the standard NRA Boilerplate. The NRA should be listed as a terrorist organization.

You don't want to disarm those committing mass murders. You want to disarm EVERYONE, in the hopes that the mass murderers will cooperate, as well. It's painfully obvious that you're really just hoping you can somehow pass enough laws to erase the invention of guns entirely.

If you love guns so much why don't you go to Syria and have fun over there. Why you need guns in the city ?

 

[Cecilie1200]

You just can't stand it can you. I am sure you are loving it that there are school children giving their lives so that you can have your version of the 2nd amendment.

The US Army doesn't use a full auto version of the M-16. It has three settings on the selector, safe, single shot and 3 shot. Most of the M-16s are used in the single shot setting. When you are operating a M-16 single shot, it fires exactly the same speed and way that a semi auto AR-15 does. Both are designed to kill as many PEOPLE as possible as quickly as possible. Trying to call the AR-15 semi auto a sporting rifle is a huge stretch of the imagination. It's a lousy varmint rifle. I can think of a host of others that are much better even in the same caliber. I prefer a bolt action varmint rifle myself. Going after Varmints you really only get one shot so why use a semi auto with such a short barrel. If I were to pick a caliber for varmint it would probably be the 243 or the 6mm in a bolt action. You can't pass any version of the AR-15 off as a sporting rifle unless your sport is to slaughter lots of people fast.

What I have proposed is not in contradiction of the 2nd amendment. Much like the way the Thompson was taxed out of existance, the same can be done with the AR-15. But there are people with the Thompson right now. They didn't take away the ones that were already out there. They just charged 200 bucks for each one with a firearms license and it slowly left the streets. The Thompson was also a huge slaughter of children. The Gangsters would spray and pray with them with little regard of the innocents. The Thompson wholesale murdered more innocents than it did gangsters. I guess our Grand Parents realized that public safety should come first. The Supreme Court agreed with them.

From what I can see, the first person that needs to have his AR-15 type taken from his sick little hands is you.

Prove that an Ar shoots faster than any other rifle as you have claimed over and over.

An AR is NOT an M16 it just looks like one. An AR is absolutely no different than my .223 Ranch rifle when it comes to performance

And FYI I do not own an AR frame rifle. The only .223 semiauto I have is my Ruger Mini 14. I do not need an AR because it would be redundant and IMO a waste of my money.

But unlike you I can actually understand that the AR is not making people kill

Simple. The AR uses a completely different mechanism for it's bolt and action. It's faster, much faster. The Mini-14 is an older design from the M-14 and M-1. Now, that is the answer, you Terrorist Baby Killer.

You need to move on and stop this absurd support of the AR or they just might lump your Mini-14 in with it when (notice the word when) change the law to protect our children. Are you willing to have to pay 200 bucks and register not only you but your weapon on a national database? Can you even pass a national database search?

So keep pushing, there, Baby Killer.

It's not faster. Both rifles can only fire as fast as the trigger can be pulled. You have not substantiated these claims with any actual data .

You're too fucking stupid to see that the AR is just a plain old semiautomatic rifle with some extra plastic doodads

And no I will not register my firearms since it's none of anyone's business what I own.

Yeah, but see, leftists are terrified of all semi-automatic weapons, because it has "automatic" in the name, and they therefore assume we're talking about machine guns.

Wrong answer, fruitcake. What is has the highest body count for a weapon in the mass shootings in the last 25 years? Yes, it's a semi auto but it's based on a full auto brother. It's designed to kill very quickly and efficiently of people. It's the weapon of choice because it does the best job. Can you tell us what weapon I am talking about without the NRA Boilerplate response?

"Without the NRA boilerplate". I can only assume that means "without those pesky facts about guns replacing the panic and loathing".

 

[The Derp]

Wrong...that isn't true.....gun ownership levels are the same as before, and the biggest growth areas are minorities and women.....two groups that have been underrepresented in the legal gun market....

Same as before...from two years ago maybe.

The stats don't lie...gun ownership is at its lowest levels ever.

That means gunmakers have to really fight for market share.

Removing restrictions on crazy people, wife beaters, and terrorists helps widen the customer base.

That's why the NRA does what it does.

What you are seeing is fewer people willing to admit to anonymous pollsters that they own guns...especially after several newspapers decided to publish the names and addresses of gun owners .........

Load of horseshit, of course, because the surveys are anonymous too. So your rhetoric is flawed.

 

[The Derp]

What you are seeing is fewer people willing to admit to anonymous pollsters that they own guns...especially after several newspapers decided to publish the names and addresses of gun owners .........

So in typical Conservative fashion, one must ignore actual numbers and instead imagine a swath of people who didn't answer truthfully on an anonymous survey. And if they're not answering truthfully to that, how can we trust them to safely handle and store firearms? We can't.

 

[The Derp]

decline in gun ownership numbers despite eight straight years of increasing firearms sales that set all-time records.

Because of repeat customers. Instead of buying just one gun, most gun owners buy several. And they're prompted to buy several because of propaganda pushed out by the NRA, who are only concerned with profits of the gun companies.

At best, you're a useful idiot.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Socialism/political correctness/affirmative-action all have destroyed any sort of freedom and individuality in this country.
If you think we have real freedom in this country you obviously have no idea what real freedom is… LOL

So nothing of substance; just you being mad that you can't call black people the N-word anymore, you can't call women "sugar tits", or gay people the f-word.

Fuck you.

Na, I’m a libertarian I really don’t care about social issues in general. I’m a one issue voter…

Like I said, there is nothing that you can think of that you're prohibited from doing by the government. Not one single thing. So it's more about feelings with you. You feel that your freedoms are being curtailed but you can't articulate what those freedoms actually are.

So you posture and call yourself a "libertarian", which is hilarious because "libertarians" end up being the most government-dependent people there are.

The thing is, I am self-employed have been for 20+ years I’ve been debt free for about the same time. I have never purchased insurance, I homeschool my kids, I hunt and grow my own food, but I also realize I have no real freedom in this country, And my kids are going to live in an Orwellian state most likely.
That’s why I am a one issue voter, I can do nothing to change the direction of this country. It has been lost for over a century… The cancer of socialism has won.
The funny thing is progressive put all their chips into socialism, socialism is a 100% failure 100% of the time long term in the history of the planet. LOL

If I ever meet one, I will tell them what you said. But I happen to be a Progressive Conservative. We are a strange lot. We want to view new ideas but we also want our Government to stop the runaway spending it has done in the past. From the looks of things, it's going to accelerate dramatically thank to you Right Wing Nut Jobs that seem to believe that our Grand Children will fix the problem so you won't. Since you Right Wing Nutjobs can't figure a way out of it, maybe a few new ideas or Progressive Ideas are in order.

We CAN'T figure a way out of it? We keep giving you common-sense solutions, and you keep screaming like stuck pigs and refusing to even try them and demanding that what we need is even more of the "progressive" ideas that are clearly progressing toward nothing but making our children into clay pigeons in shooting-gallery schools.

So once again, you owe us a detailed explanation of 1) how we are not ALREADY implementing your ideas, 2) why they are failing miserably, and 3) why their failure means we need even more. Oh, and 4) how you can POSSIBLY think anyone is to blame for those dead kids aside from the shooter, and YOU.

 

[The Derp]

What you are seeing is fewer people willing to admit to anonymous pollsters that they own guns...especially after several newspapers decided to publish the names and addresses of gun owners .........

But...isn't knowing who has a gun and who doesn't a deterrent?

Don't gun owners want people to know they have guns?

How are they to deter criminals if the criminals don't know they're armed?

Or is it a personal wish fulfillment that your gun ownership is kept a secret so you have justification to shoot someone?

Seems to me that advertising you have a gun only makes it that much more likely someone will break into your house or car when you're not around and steal the gun, like they do with as many as 600,000 guns a year.

 

[The Derp]

So once again, you owe us a detailed explanation of 1) how we are not ALREADY implementing your ideas, 2) why they are failing miserably, and 3) why their failure means we need even more. Oh, and 4) how you can POSSIBLY think anyone is to blame for those dead kids aside from the shooter, and YOU.

Because guns are widely and readily and easily available, duh.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Wrong answer, fruitcake. What is has the highest body count for a weapon in the mass shootings in the last 25 years? Yes, it's a semi auto but it's based on a full auto brother. It's designed to kill very quickly and efficiently of people. It's the weapon of choice because it does the best job. Can you tell us what weapon I am talking about without the NRA Boilerplate response?

It matters not what a semiauto looks like it only matters how it functions.

WRong answer once again. Part of it is a culture. The Weapon I am specifically referring to is very much part of a culture. Now, name that Weapon. Go ahead and be very specific.

It matters not what any gun looks like only how it performs an the Ar 15 that you are so afraid of performs no differently than any other semiautomatic in existence

Now, was that painful? I hope not. The AR style has become a cult weapon. You can say how others are just as deadly but the AR is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. I am not saying we need to outlaw that specific weapon but we can up it in the firearms where you can't just walk into a store and purchase it in less than 30 minutes or you can't mail order it or buy it at a gunshow with no background check. If you wanted to keep yours then you can keep it. Just pay the 200 bucks that would be required, register the weapon and yourself and become responsible for the weapon and it's uses. ALL AR types used in the mass shootings were purchased legally so let's stop with the "Oh Yah, what about the Criminal". Hand Grenades do a much better job at killing but the people that legally buy them pay the 200 bucks and just don't use them for mass killings no matter what the movies say. People that own Automatic Weapons pay the 200 bucks and are not the problem. But an 18 year old kid with a score to settle that buys it without paying the 200 bucks IS the problem. Actually, it isn't limited to age as the shootings can attest. You just have to be 18 years old or older. Not a problem if the 18 year old pays the 200 bucks for the license to possess one. There are many young people that have at least a class 4 or class D firearms license and you just don't hear about them doing these insane things.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I am not out to take your guns. I just suggest that we reclassify one specific weapon.

No....dipshit...it isn't a cult weapon......it is an easy to use rifle, that allows for customization....and it is very easy for women and small framed humans to use it for self defense, competition, hunting and collecting....

There are 8 million of them in private hands....

And how does anything you propose stop any criminal or mass shooter....dipshit? This shooter and all the others would pay your 200 dollars, register their guns and then go and shoot people....moron.

Nothing you or the other anti gunners propose would stop a criminal or a mass shooter...and that is the point.....you guys want to baby step the restrictions on guns and the fees, and the taxes.....and the paperwork so that normal, law abiding people are too afraid to own legal guns...for fear of failing some step of the process that will lead to a felony conviction for a paperwork mistake....

Meanwhile, criminals don't care....

By the way, genius......felons do not have to register their illegal guns...the Supreme Court, in Haynes v. United States ruled that forcing criminals to register their illegal guns violates their 5th Amendment Rights against self incrimination......so if it violates their Rights, it violates my Rights.....doofus.

Actually, you brought up a couple of good point amongst the crap you spew. You left out a few things.

The AR is no longer under Copyright. Even you can get a license to manufacture, sell and distribute them. About 3 percent of the population have used the M-16 and feel comfortable using the AR. Yes, it's versitile but it's till made for one reason and one reason only. To kill people. If you bought one to put food on the table then you really should have bought a few sides of beef and installed a root cellar instead. Other rifles do a much better job at getting the groceries.

You can currently buy an AR for less than 400 bucks. Okay, it's pretty basic and you had best not fire the MIl Grad Ammo. But it works just fine with the stock 223 loads. It's not nearly as pretty. But for less than 400 bucks, exactly what do you expect?

For Varmints, the AR isn't in my picture. I prefer the Remington model 700 VSSF II chambered for the 223 with a 50 grain bullet. Okay, it costs twice as much but it can nail anything from a rabbit to coyote at up to about 400 yds. But I would prefer it in 243 or 6mm. It's as accurate out to 400 yds as the 223 but has a much higher hitting power at 90 grains. If you try and go past 50 grains in a 223, you start losing accuracy and range. But a Savage costing less than 400 bucks in 223 or 243 also does a great job, it just won't be a Purty.

So, the only major thing an AR can do is kill people better. It doesn't make the list of the top 5 varmint rifles on any list done by reputable testers. So why would you buy an AR to go varmint shooting when the Remington on the high end and the Savage on the low end does a better job?

BTW, I shoot a Mauser Shavetail 22 long rifle for Ground Hogs. Now, that's a sport. I stopped shooting it when I found out just how rare a bird it really is.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

What you are seeing is fewer people willing to admit to anonymous pollsters that they own guns...especially after several newspapers decided to publish the names and addresses of gun owners .........

But...isn't knowing who has a gun and who doesn't a deterrent?

Don't gun owners want people to know they have guns?

How are they to deter criminals if the criminals don't know they're armed?

Or is it a personal wish fulfillment that your gun ownership is kept a secret so you have justification to shoot someone?

Seems to me that advertising you have a gun only makes it that much more likely someone will break into your house or car when you're not around and steal the gun, like they do with as many as 600,000 guns a year.

I am a proponent for CCWs not Open Carry. The idea is to not let the bad guy know who is and who isn't armed. Makes em real nervous. Of course, the stupid ones won't care. But if I were a Bad Guy, the armed robbery where there is a good chance everyone lives turn a different direction if I see someone in there wearing a gun. The Proud Gun Owner will be the first to get it. And since I just went from an Robber to a Murderer, I go into a "No Witness left behind" way of thinking. If I get into a situation that requires me to pull a weapon I have already decided to shoot after reviewing all the legalities that one has to learn to get a CCW. I don't pull it and say, "Freeze Dirtbag". I pull it and kill the SOB. Then I take out the Mag, empty the shells out of it, leave the gun on the counter with the slide locked open and step away from it while waiting to be handcuffed and taken to jail. Even if I were saving many lives and it's can be proven. AS far as I can see, most that open carry shouldn't be trusted with a toaster much less a gun. (here comes the shrieking from the ones that disagree).

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Why do I need a gun? I don't absolutely need a gun. I want one and have one. One of the reasons I might need a gun is when people like you try and take away my rights like outlined in the 1st amendment. You seem to forget that amendment.

You don’t understand the second amendment obviously

Not as you interpret it, no. And you are forgetting the 1st amendment almost entirely.

The main purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to keep American citizens from being disarmed by an oppressive US government and forced to live in a police state where only the government has weapons....like maybe a Gestapo controlled by some asshole like Obama. Remember, that sleazy bastard suggested we have a national police force under his control. Dreams of his father.

The government controls all aspects of your life already if you didn't know it.

That’s why we have no real freedom in this country

I have lots of Freedom. I can see you never visited Spain in the 60s and 70s like I did. I can see you never visited East Berlin in the 80s like I did. I can see you never visited....... pick many countries. Some of the bad ones even called their Governments Democracies. If you are absolutely sure that the US is not a free country, I suggest you denounce your citizenship and move to one that is. Good friggin luck finding one more free than America.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Prove that an Ar shoots faster than any other rifle as you have claimed over and over.

An AR is NOT an M16 it just looks like one. An AR is absolutely no different than my .223 Ranch rifle when it comes to performance

And FYI I do not own an AR frame rifle. The only .223 semiauto I have is my Ruger Mini 14. I do not need an AR because it would be redundant and IMO a waste of my money.

But unlike you I can actually understand that the AR is not making people kill

Simple. The AR uses a completely different mechanism for it's bolt and action. It's faster, much faster. The Mini-14 is an older design from the M-14 and M-1. Now, that is the answer, you Terrorist Baby Killer.

You need to move on and stop this absurd support of the AR or they just might lump your Mini-14 in with it when (notice the word when) change the law to protect our children. Are you willing to have to pay 200 bucks and register not only you but your weapon on a national database? Can you even pass a national database search?

So keep pushing, there, Baby Killer.

It's not faster. Both rifles can only fire as fast as the trigger can be pulled. You have not substantiated these claims with any actual data .

You're too fucking stupid to see that the AR is just a plain old semiautomatic rifle with some extra plastic doodads

And no I will not register my firearms since it's none of anyone's business what I own.

Yeah, but see, leftists are terrified of all semi-automatic weapons, because it has "automatic" in the name, and they therefore assume we're talking about machine guns.

Wrong answer, fruitcake. What is has the highest body count for a weapon in the mass shootings in the last 25 years? Yes, it's a semi auto but it's based on a full auto brother. It's designed to kill very quickly and efficiently of people. It's the weapon of choice because it does the best job. Can you tell us what weapon I am talking about without the NRA Boilerplate response?

"Without the NRA boilerplate". I can only assume that means "without those pesky facts about guns replacing the panic and loathing".

Just like I said. When you remove the NRA Boilerplate, about all that is left is.......not a whole hell of a lot.

 

[Contumacious]

So stand up and take credit for the Mass Shootings in the Schools today. Your Culture is winning while our children are dying. You have made it to easy to get the one tool to do the job. Be proud of yourself.

People kill people firearms cannot... No one was made by An AR to kill anybody else.
Gun free zones are killing fields waiting to happen. And firearms have nothing to do with it

So you make it easy for any nutcase to purchase an AR and use it as it was intended for. So just accept the reasonability that you are contributing to those mass shooting of children. Now, that make you a real man doesn't it. And that is the real reason you slaver at the AR when you see it.

just because you wet your panties over people owning an AR 15-please don't project your proclivities upon the rest of us

I can't believe that people get their panties wet when they DISARM their fellow countrymen. Sad.

I want to disarm those that have the highest body counts in mass murders. Simple as that and it can be done. It can't be done until we educate the public about how to do it. I know how to do it but you seem to keep going with the standard NRA Boilerplate. The NRA should be listed as a terrorist organization.

You and your ilk want to circumvent the Constitution and use violence or the threat of violence to abolish - amend - our right to bear arms. You , stupid son of a bitch, are the terrorist.



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[Cecilie1200]

The thing is, I am self-employed have been for 20+ years I’ve been debt free for about the same time. I have never purchased insurance, I homeschool my kids, I hunt and grow my own food, but I also realize I have no real freedom in this country, And my kids are going to live in an Orwellian state most likely.

Yeah, I don't believe any of that shit you say about yourself.

And if you actually, really hunt for food, why can't you use a crossbow or a regular bow? Not man enough, I guess. Alexander the Great killed bears, lions, and elephants in a skirt and sandals, with a spear. So if he could do it, why can't you kill a deer with a bow and arrow? Because you're not half the hunter you pretend to be.

That’s why I am a one issue voter, I can do nothing to change the direction of this country. It has been lost for over a century… The cancer of socialism has won.

So wait...you say socialism won, yet in the sentence prior, you talk of living your rugged individualist life. So which is it? Is the government oppressive or isn't it? Doesn't sound like it since you get to live your shitty life the way you want. Like I said before, you just want to call black people the n-word and not face criticism for it. Be honest.

The funny thing is progressive put all their chips into socialism, socialism is a 100% failure 100% of the time long term in the history of the planet. LOL

Socialism seems to work just fine for Canada, Germany, Denmark, Norway, South Korea, Israel, and tons of other countries. What you don't see working well is capitalism. Capitalism is unable to provide an adequate standard of living for the working class.

The US isn't capitalist for Government. It's gotten to the point where it's so corrupt that you can't really tell what it is anymore. For instance, the no new gun laws. You will note that the leading Republicans that keep spewing the NRA boilerplate have all received millions from the NRA. Corporations can't directly give that kind of money to our Politicians. They can only give 2500 bucks a year. So they give it to the NRA who has the ability to donate those funds to various Super PACS to be earmarked for those particular Politicians. And it's all done anonymously. The problem here is, we need to see who donated what. Until that happens, our Politicians will deny, deny and deflect because we can't prove otherwise. And this goes to all Politicians, not just the right or the left.

What happens when each and every ad has to say who actually donated to it. And every Bill that is presented has to say exactly who wrote it and financially donated to make it happen. As long as Corporations are considered People, we need to treat them exactly like they do me and you. This would make the really corrupt ones run from the building because we would see just how corrupt they really are.

What the fuck does "capitalist for government" mean? How does one have an economic system for government?

No new gun laws?

1990 - Crime Control Act of 1990 bans manufacturing and importing semiautomatic assault weapons in the U.S. and establishes the "gun free school zones" that are working so swimmingly.

1994 - Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act imposes a five-day waiting period on handgun sales and requires a law enforcement background check for sales.

1997 - The Florida Supreme Court upholds an $11.5 million verdict against Kmart for selling a gun to a drunk guy who used it to shoot his ex-girlfriend.

1998 - Gun dealers are required to have trigger locks available for sale and federal grants are created for gun safety and education programs.

1998 - New Orleans becomes the first city to try to sue gun manufacturers for the acts of other people.

1998 - The National Instant Criminal Background Check system is created, and all gun dealers are legally required to institute a pre-sale background check through it.

1999 - Then-Vice President Al Gore casts the tie-breaking vote to require trigger locks on all newly manufactured handguns and extending waiting periods and background check requirements.

1999 - The Los Angeles Board of Supervisors votes to ban the Great Western Gun Show from the fairgrounds where it had been held for 30 years.

2004 - Massachusetts passes a law requiring fingerprint scanning for purchases of guns and gun licenses.

2005 - California passes a law banning manufacture, sale, distribution or import of the BMG.

2005 - Then-President Bush signs into law a federal requirement for all newly-manufactured guns to have trigger locks.

2008 - Then-President Bush signs into law the National Instant Criminal Background Check Improvement Act requiring screening for mental illness in background checks.

2013 - NY expands its "assault weapon" ban to include new types of guns, requires registration of those who have already bought those types of guns, requires background checks for private gun sales, bans 10-round magazines, and requires health workers to report patients they think are dangerous to themselves or others.

Colorado expands background checks and limits the size of magazines.

Connecticut expands their "assault weapon" ban to include more types of guns, limits magazine size, requires registration of the newly-banned types of guns, bans "armor-piercing" bullets, and expands background check requirements.

Maryland requires fingerprinting in background checks, limits magazine size, and expands "assault weapon" ban.

Granted, this isn't the "all guns are eeeeeevil!" legislation you want, but don't tell us "no new gun laws" have been passed.

 

[Cecilie1200]

So you make it easy for any nutcase to purchase an AR and use it as it was intended for. So just accept the reasonability that you are contributing to those mass shooting of children. Now, that make you a real man doesn't it. And that is the real reason you slaver at the AR when you see it.

just because you wet your panties over people owning an AR 15-please don't project your proclivities upon the rest of us

I can't believe that people get their panties wet when they DISARM their fellow countrymen. Sad.

I want to disarm those that have the highest body counts in mass murders. Simple as that and it can be done. It can't be done until we educate the public about how to do it. I know how to do it but you seem to keep going with the standard NRA Boilerplate. The NRA should be listed as a terrorist organization.

You don't want to disarm those committing mass murders. You want to disarm EVERYONE, in the hopes that the mass murderers will cooperate, as well. It's painfully obvious that you're really just hoping you can somehow pass enough laws to erase the invention of guns entirely.

If you love guns so much why don't you go to Syria and have fun over there. Why you need guns in the city ?

Um, just off the top of my head, because criminals in cities have guns?

 

[The Derp]

I am a proponent for CCWs not Open Carry. The idea is to not let the bad guy know who is and who isn't armed. Makes em real nervous.

Does it? How many "bad guys with guns" have CCW's actually stopped vs. how many guns are stolen every year from "responsible gun owners"? Because as many as 600,000 guns are stolen from "responsible gun owners" every year. That includes people with CCW.

But if I were a Bad Guy, the armed robbery where there is a good chance everyone lives turn a different direction if I see someone in there wearing a gun.

Or they just shoot the guy wearing the gun first, then go about the armed robbery. How is a CCW supposed to protect you when your back is turned to the bad guy and he shoots you, unawares? Like I said, this is about personal wish fulfillment; your life is so utterly meaningless and without note that you have to fantasize about being in a situation where you can be a hero. That says that you don't think very highly of yourself right now, that you need this personal wish fulfillment to give your life meaning. And more likely than not, your gun will get stolen than you'll ever have the chance to be the hero you want to be.

The Proud Gun Owner will be the first to get it

So I notice all these "No true Scotsman" tactics being employed to abdicate responsibility for gun violence. It must be wicked nice to be able to say after the fact that some person wasn't a "responsible gun owner", after they lose their gun or have it stolen. Everyone seems like a "responsible gun owner" until they're not. Which makes it a squishy, moveable target that you can wiggle around within the parameters based on how your argument is faring. In other words, a cop out.

. And since I just went from an Robber to a Murderer, I go into a "No Witness left behind" way of thinking. If I get into a situation that requires me to pull a weapon I have already decided to shoot after reviewing all the legalities that one has to learn to get a CCW. I don't pull it and say, "Freeze Dirtbag". I pull it and kill the SOB. Then I take out the Mag, empty the shells out of it, leave the gun on the counter with the slide locked open and step away from it while waiting to be handcuffed and taken to jail. Even if I were saving many lives and it's can be proven. AS far as I can see, most that open carry shouldn't be trusted with a toaster much less a gun. (here comes the shrieking from the ones that disagree).

Like I said, personal wish fulfillment to fill the void of emptiness and meaninglessness of your life. The only way you can give your life purpose is to act like a vigilante. That says quite a bit about your mental state; maybe you have a mental illness that would otherwise disqualify you from owning a gun. As a "responsible gun owner", have you been tested for mental illness? Often times, mentally ill people don't know or think they're mentally ill, so they go without a diagnosis and end up "snapping" later. Then everyone hems and haws over how mental illness is to blame, yet as a "responsible gun owner" you didn't act responsibly to get yourself evaluated by a mental health professional. So the cycle just continues.