The Right To Bear Arms

USA is the worst country in terms of gu related dearhs/mass shootings. So there is clearly a gun problem. Why do you need a gun ? Insecure? Or ready to kill when you are pissed at the world?
what do I need a gun for? many reasons-one of them being to prevent people like you from trying to strip away our rights

Why do I need a gun? I don't absolutely need a gun. I want one and have one. One of the reasons I might need a gun is when people like you try and take away my rights like outlined in the 1st amendment. You seem to forget that amendment.
You don’t understand the second amendment obviously

Not as you interpret it, no. And you are forgetting the 1st amendment almost entirely.
The main purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to keep American citizens from being disarmed by an oppressive US government and forced to live in a police state where only the government has weapons....like maybe a Gestapo controlled by some asshole like Obama. Remember, that sleazy bastard suggested we have a national police force under his control. Dreams of his father.
The government controls all aspects of your life already if you didn't know it.
 
what do I need a gun for? many reasons-one of them being to prevent people like you from trying to strip away our rights

Why do I need a gun? I don't absolutely need a gun. I want one and have one. One of the reasons I might need a gun is when people like you try and take away my rights like outlined in the 1st amendment. You seem to forget that amendment.
You don’t understand the second amendment obviously

Not as you interpret it, no. And you are forgetting the 1st amendment almost entirely.
The main purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to keep American citizens from being disarmed by an oppressive US government and forced to live in a police state where only the government has weapons....like maybe a Gestapo controlled by some asshole like Obama. Remember, that sleazy bastard suggested we have a national police force under his control. Dreams of his father.
The government controls all aspects of your life already if you didn't know it.
That’s why we have no real freedom in this country
 
People kill people firearms cannot... No one was made by An AR to kill anybody else.
Gun free zones are killing fields waiting to happen. And firearms have nothing to do with it

So you make it easy for any nutcase to purchase an AR and use it as it was intended for. So just accept the reasonability that you are contributing to those mass shooting of children. Now, that make you a real man doesn't it. And that is the real reason you slaver at the AR when you see it.

just because you wet your panties over people owning an AR 15-please don't project your proclivities upon the rest of us


I can't believe that people get their panties wet when they DISARM their fellow countrymen. Sad.

I want to disarm those that have the highest body counts in mass murders. Simple as that and it can be done. It can't be done until we educate the public about how to do it. I know how to do it but you seem to keep going with the standard NRA Boilerplate. The NRA should be listed as a terrorist organization.
The NRA is not pro-gun enough, in fact this country should be better armed
what do I need a gun for? many reasons-one of them being to prevent people like you from trying to strip away our rights

Why do I need a gun? I don't absolutely need a gun. I want one and have one. One of the reasons I might need a gun is when people like you try and take away my rights like outlined in the 1st amendment. You seem to forget that amendment.
You don’t understand the second amendment obviously

Not as you interpret it, no. And you are forgetting the 1st amendment almost entirely.
The main purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to keep American citizens from being disarmed by an oppressive US government and forced to live in a police state where only the government has weapons....like maybe a Gestapo controlled by some asshole like Obama. Remember, that sleazy bastard suggested we have a national police force under his control. Dreams of his father.
The government controls all aspects of your life already if you didn't know it.
Far from it.
 
Why do I need a gun? I don't absolutely need a gun. I want one and have one. One of the reasons I might need a gun is when people like you try and take away my rights like outlined in the 1st amendment. You seem to forget that amendment.
You don’t understand the second amendment obviously

Not as you interpret it, no. And you are forgetting the 1st amendment almost entirely.
The main purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to keep American citizens from being disarmed by an oppressive US government and forced to live in a police state where only the government has weapons....like maybe a Gestapo controlled by some asshole like Obama. Remember, that sleazy bastard suggested we have a national police force under his control. Dreams of his father.
The government controls all aspects of your life already if you didn't know it.
That’s why we have no real freedom in this country
Far from it.
 
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Why do I need a gun? I don't absolutely need a gun. I want one and have one. One of the reasons I might need a gun is when people like you try and take away my rights like outlined in the 1st amendment. You seem to forget that amendment.
You don’t understand the second amendment obviously

Not as you interpret it, no. And you are forgetting the 1st amendment almost entirely.
The main purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to keep American citizens from being disarmed by an oppressive US government and forced to live in a police state where only the government has weapons....like maybe a Gestapo controlled by some asshole like Obama. Remember, that sleazy bastard suggested we have a national police force under his control. Dreams of his father.
The government controls all aspects of your life already if you didn't know it.
That’s why we have no real freedom in this country
Then why you need a gun if the government owns and you have no freedom?
 
You don’t understand the second amendment obviously

Not as you interpret it, no. And you are forgetting the 1st amendment almost entirely.
The main purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to keep American citizens from being disarmed by an oppressive US government and forced to live in a police state where only the government has weapons....like maybe a Gestapo controlled by some asshole like Obama. Remember, that sleazy bastard suggested we have a national police force under his control. Dreams of his father.
The government controls all aspects of your life already if you didn't know it.
That’s why we have no real freedom in this country
Then why you need a gun if the government owns and you have no freedom?
You’re a fool if with if you think that there’s any real freedom in this country
 
Banning one particular type of .223 Semiautomatic rifle will not stop it.

But you're too stupid to see that

In 1934, they didn't just outlaw the Auto version of the Thompson. They also, for a time, outlaws the semi auto versions. And they went in and collected them. Us one in a crime, even if it's local, the FBI swarmed in until they found the weapon. It wasn't Grandfathered in. And it stopped the Mass Killings that happened prior to 1934 cold. You can now buy a Thompson Semi Auto. Believe it or not, in the short ranges, it smokes the other Semi Autos for speed and accuracy. No, not in bullet speed but putting the first round on the target. The Thompson was, in 1934, a cult weapon for some really nasty types and they used them. The US changed the cult.

One person said that we need to change the culture. Yes, not just one sides culture but both sides. The most effective change in culture that would work the quickest is to change the AR culture like they did the Thompson Culture.

We need to change the culture in Congress as well. The easiest is to labor the ones that suck off the hind tit of the NRA as Baby Killers. Their lack of action says it all. If you aren't against allowing the tools of the Mass Shooting Trade to be procured so easily then you must be seen as supporting the Mass Murder of Children and carry the label of Baby Killer.

Comparing a fully automatic to a semiautomatic is ridiculous.

Why are you so fixated on the cosmetics of a rifle? There is no difference between an AR and any other .223 caliber rifle.

NONE ZERO ZIP NADA.

The fact that you cannot understand this is more proof of your room temperature IQ

And I am still waiting for you to prove your claim that one .223 semiautomatic rifle fires faster than another

You just can't stand it can you. I am sure you are loving it that there are school children giving their lives so that you can have your version of the 2nd amendment.

The US Army doesn't use a full auto version of the M-16. It has three settings on the selector, safe, single shot and 3 shot. Most of the M-16s are used in the single shot setting. When you are operating a M-16 single shot, it fires exactly the same speed and way that a semi auto AR-15 does. Both are designed to kill as many PEOPLE as possible as quickly as possible. Trying to call the AR-15 semi auto a sporting rifle is a huge stretch of the imagination. It's a lousy varmint rifle. I can think of a host of others that are much better even in the same caliber. I prefer a bolt action varmint rifle myself. Going after Varmints you really only get one shot so why use a semi auto with such a short barrel. If I were to pick a caliber for varmint it would probably be the 243 or the 6mm in a bolt action. You can't pass any version of the AR-15 off as a sporting rifle unless your sport is to slaughter lots of people fast.

What I have proposed is not in contradiction of the 2nd amendment. Much like the way the Thompson was taxed out of existance, the same can be done with the AR-15. But there are people with the Thompson right now. They didn't take away the ones that were already out there. They just charged 200 bucks for each one with a firearms license and it slowly left the streets. The Thompson was also a huge slaughter of children. The Gangsters would spray and pray with them with little regard of the innocents. The Thompson wholesale murdered more innocents than it did gangsters. I guess our Grand Parents realized that public safety should come first. The Supreme Court agreed with them.

From what I can see, the first person that needs to have his AR-15 type taken from his sick little hands is you.
Prove that an Ar shoots faster than any other rifle as you have claimed over and over.

An AR is NOT an M16 it just looks like one. An AR is absolutely no different than my .223 Ranch rifle when it comes to performance

And FYI I do not own an AR frame rifle. The only .223 semiauto I have is my Ruger Mini 14. I do not need an AR because it would be redundant and IMO a waste of my money.

But unlike you I can actually understand that the AR is not making people kill

Simple. The AR uses a completely different mechanism for it's bolt and action. It's faster, much faster. The Mini-14 is an older design from the M-14 and M-1. Now, that is the answer, you Terrorist Baby Killer.

You need to move on and stop this absurd support of the AR or they just might lump your Mini-14 in with it when (notice the word when) change the law to protect our children. Are you willing to have to pay 200 bucks and register not only you but your weapon on a national database? Can you even pass a national database search?

So keep pushing, there, Baby Killer.

It's not faster. Both rifles can only fire as fast as the trigger can be pulled. You have not substantiated these claims with any actual data .

You're too fucking stupid to see that the AR is just a plain old semiautomatic rifle with some extra plastic doodads

And no I will not register my firearms since it's none of anyone's business what I own.
 
By Peter Weber

That's the opinion of Rupert Murdoch's conservative New York Post. And it's not as far-fetched as it may seem.

Well, let's read the text of the Second Amendment, says Jeffrey Sachs at The Huffington Post:

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It's astonishingly clear that "the Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago," and "its purpose is long past."

As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century.​

"Fair-minded readers have to acknowledge that the text is ambiguous," says Cass Sunstein at Bloomberg View. Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion in Heller, was laying out his interpretation of a "genuinely difficult" legal question, and "I am not saying that the court was wrong." More to the point: Right or wrong, obsolete or relevant, the Second Amendment essentially means what five justices on the Supreme Court say it means. So "we should respect the fact that the individual right to have guns has been established," but even the pro-gun interpretation laid out by Scalia explicitly allows for banning the kinds of weapons the shooter used to murder 20 first-graders. The real problem is in the political arena, where "opponents of gun control, armed with both organization and money, have been invoking the Second Amendment far more recklessly," using "wild and unsupportable claims about the meaning of the Constitution" to shut down debate on what sort of regulations might save lives.

More: Is the Second Amendment obsolete? - The Week

No it is more important than ever


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That’s why we have no real freedom in this country

What freedoms do you not have that you think you're entitled to have? What can you not do right now that you think you should be able to do?
Socialism/political correctness/affirmative-action all have destroyed any sort of freedom and individuality in this country.
If you think we have real freedom in this country you obviously have no idea what real freedom is… LOL
 
That’s why we have no real freedom in this country

What freedoms do you not have that you think you're entitled to have? What can you not do right now that you think you should be able to do?
Socialism/political correctness/affirmative-action all have destroyed any sort of freedom and individuality in this country.
If you think we have real freedom in this country you obviously have no idea what real freedom is… LOL

So nothing of substance; just you being mad that you can't call black people the N-word anymore, you can't call women "sugar tits", or gay people the f-word.

Fuck you.
 
time to ignore the gun banners who squeal in delight every time there is a shooting so they can use the blood of innocents to try to drown out our rights. You hate the NRA and gun owners because they don't support the leftwing candidates you crave
Nope because people are dying by the thousands.
really? gun deaths have declined over the years despite millions upon millions more guns in circulation and millions of people carrying guns legally. So you are either ignorant of the fact or lying. Most gun deaths are SUICIDES. the remaining number that are not justifiable or excusable shootings are homicides mainly and those are caused at rates of 80-90% by people who are not legally able to own or use guns

so stuff the silly dramatics. Gun violence in tis country-especially outside urban areas full of drug gangs is minuscule
USA is the worst country in terms of gu related dearhs/mass shootings. So there is clearly a gun problem. Why do you need a gun ? Insecure? Or ready to kill when you are pissed at the world?
what do I need a gun for? many reasons-one of them being to prevent people like you from trying to strip away our rights

Why do I need a gun? I don't absolutely need a gun. I want one and have one. One of the reasons I might need a gun is when people like you try and take away my rights like outlined in the 1st amendment. You seem to forget that amendment.

Hey, if you don't feel you need one, by all means, don't have one. But you do get that the freedoms of others are not dependent on whether or not YOU think they need them, right?

And no, we don't forget the First Amendment. As I recall, WE are not the ones advocating for "safe spaces" and shutting down public speakers we don't like and sending the IRS out to harass political opponents and suing people who exercise beliefs we don't agree with and demanding to limit people's ability to support candidates we don't like and . . .

It's pretty obvious the only "free speech" leftists like is their own freedom to tell everyone else to shut up.
 
So stand up and take credit for the Mass Shootings in the Schools today. Your Culture is winning while our children are dying. You have made it to easy to get the one tool to do the job. Be proud of yourself.
People kill people firearms cannot... No one was made by An AR to kill anybody else.
Gun free zones are killing fields waiting to happen. And firearms have nothing to do with it

So you make it easy for any nutcase to purchase an AR and use it as it was intended for. So just accept the reasonability that you are contributing to those mass shooting of children. Now, that make you a real man doesn't it. And that is the real reason you slaver at the AR when you see it.

just because you wet your panties over people owning an AR 15-please don't project your proclivities upon the rest of us


I can't believe that people get their panties wet when they DISARM their fellow countrymen. Sad.

I want to disarm those that have the highest body counts in mass murders. Simple as that and it can be done. It can't be done until we educate the public about how to do it. I know how to do it but you seem to keep going with the standard NRA Boilerplate. The NRA should be listed as a terrorist organization.

You don't want to disarm those committing mass murders. You want to disarm EVERYONE, in the hopes that the mass murderers will cooperate, as well. It's painfully obvious that you're really just hoping you can somehow pass enough laws to erase the invention of guns entirely.
 
That’s why we have no real freedom in this country

What freedoms do you not have that you think you're entitled to have? What can you not do right now that you think you should be able to do?
Socialism/political correctness/affirmative-action all have destroyed any sort of freedom and individuality in this country.
If you think we have real freedom in this country you obviously have no idea what real freedom is… LOL


the movie Blazing Saddles could not be made today. Does that tell you something about our culture?
 

How does your "leftist logic" tell you that? Because law-abiding gun owners, who would actually cooperate with that law, commit so many crimes? Or because criminals, who ignore laws like "don't kill people", would suddenly feel the need to follow THIS one?

FYI, you are aware that liability insurance on a car, for example, doesn't hold the owner responsible if someone steals the car and then causes a 4-car pileup on the Interstate, right?
 
That’s why we have no real freedom in this country

What freedoms do you not have that you think you're entitled to have? What can you not do right now that you think you should be able to do?
Socialism/political correctness/affirmative-action all have destroyed any sort of freedom and individuality in this country.
If you think we have real freedom in this country you obviously have no idea what real freedom is… LOL

So nothing of substance; just you being mad that you can't call black people the N-word anymore, you can't call women "sugar tits", or gay people the f-word.

Fuck you.


the cure for drunk driving-----------------------take drivers licenses from sober people

the cure for drug use--------------------make them illegal

the cure for mass murder---------------------execute the murderers-----quickly and publicly
 
In 1934, they didn't just outlaw the Auto version of the Thompson. They also, for a time, outlaws the semi auto versions. And they went in and collected them. Us one in a crime, even if it's local, the FBI swarmed in until they found the weapon. It wasn't Grandfathered in. And it stopped the Mass Killings that happened prior to 1934 cold. You can now buy a Thompson Semi Auto. Believe it or not, in the short ranges, it smokes the other Semi Autos for speed and accuracy. No, not in bullet speed but putting the first round on the target. The Thompson was, in 1934, a cult weapon for some really nasty types and they used them. The US changed the cult.

One person said that we need to change the culture. Yes, not just one sides culture but both sides. The most effective change in culture that would work the quickest is to change the AR culture like they did the Thompson Culture.

We need to change the culture in Congress as well. The easiest is to labor the ones that suck off the hind tit of the NRA as Baby Killers. Their lack of action says it all. If you aren't against allowing the tools of the Mass Shooting Trade to be procured so easily then you must be seen as supporting the Mass Murder of Children and carry the label of Baby Killer.

Comparing a fully automatic to a semiautomatic is ridiculous.

Why are you so fixated on the cosmetics of a rifle? There is no difference between an AR and any other .223 caliber rifle.

NONE ZERO ZIP NADA.

The fact that you cannot understand this is more proof of your room temperature IQ

And I am still waiting for you to prove your claim that one .223 semiautomatic rifle fires faster than another

You just can't stand it can you. I am sure you are loving it that there are school children giving their lives so that you can have your version of the 2nd amendment.

The US Army doesn't use a full auto version of the M-16. It has three settings on the selector, safe, single shot and 3 shot. Most of the M-16s are used in the single shot setting. When you are operating a M-16 single shot, it fires exactly the same speed and way that a semi auto AR-15 does. Both are designed to kill as many PEOPLE as possible as quickly as possible. Trying to call the AR-15 semi auto a sporting rifle is a huge stretch of the imagination. It's a lousy varmint rifle. I can think of a host of others that are much better even in the same caliber. I prefer a bolt action varmint rifle myself. Going after Varmints you really only get one shot so why use a semi auto with such a short barrel. If I were to pick a caliber for varmint it would probably be the 243 or the 6mm in a bolt action. You can't pass any version of the AR-15 off as a sporting rifle unless your sport is to slaughter lots of people fast.

What I have proposed is not in contradiction of the 2nd amendment. Much like the way the Thompson was taxed out of existance, the same can be done with the AR-15. But there are people with the Thompson right now. They didn't take away the ones that were already out there. They just charged 200 bucks for each one with a firearms license and it slowly left the streets. The Thompson was also a huge slaughter of children. The Gangsters would spray and pray with them with little regard of the innocents. The Thompson wholesale murdered more innocents than it did gangsters. I guess our Grand Parents realized that public safety should come first. The Supreme Court agreed with them.

From what I can see, the first person that needs to have his AR-15 type taken from his sick little hands is you.
Prove that an Ar shoots faster than any other rifle as you have claimed over and over.

An AR is NOT an M16 it just looks like one. An AR is absolutely no different than my .223 Ranch rifle when it comes to performance

And FYI I do not own an AR frame rifle. The only .223 semiauto I have is my Ruger Mini 14. I do not need an AR because it would be redundant and IMO a waste of my money.

But unlike you I can actually understand that the AR is not making people kill

Simple. The AR uses a completely different mechanism for it's bolt and action. It's faster, much faster. The Mini-14 is an older design from the M-14 and M-1. Now, that is the answer, you Terrorist Baby Killer.

You need to move on and stop this absurd support of the AR or they just might lump your Mini-14 in with it when (notice the word when) change the law to protect our children. Are you willing to have to pay 200 bucks and register not only you but your weapon on a national database? Can you even pass a national database search?

So keep pushing, there, Baby Killer.

It's not faster. Both rifles can only fire as fast as the trigger can be pulled. You have not substantiated these claims with any actual data .

You're too fucking stupid to see that the AR is just a plain old semiautomatic rifle with some extra plastic doodads

And no I will not register my firearms since it's none of anyone's business what I own.

Yeah, but see, leftists are terrified of all semi-automatic weapons, because it has "automatic" in the name, and they therefore assume we're talking about machine guns.
 
the cure for drunk driving-----------------------take drivers licenses from sober people

Actually, thanks to drunk driving laws, a public campaign against drunk driving, and MADD, drunk driving deaths have been cut in half since 1980. So thanks for helping me prove my point that safety laws and regulations work, can change the culture, and can save lives.


the cure for drug use--------------------make them illegal

I don't believe drugs should be illegal. So you're barking up the wrong tree here.


the cure for mass murder---------------------execute the murderers-----quickly and publicly

Which accomplishes what? Nothing. You want people to think you're tough to cover your weak insecurities, so you overcompensate by posturing.
 

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