The Regressive Left and Islam -- What is happening here?

[Freewill]

There is no logical explanarion for it...except that the liberal progressive anti-american bomb throwing, frank marshal davis-tutored, saul alynski-embracing, racist hate-spewing anti-american pastor-mentored, islamic-extremist-sympathizing, violent illegal immigrat invasion-facikitating, self-appointed oligarcist ruler-wannabes who have sought to destroy this nation (abandoning the Constitution and rule of law) since the 60s have been and continue to be hard at work carrying out their agenda...

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I respectfully disagree.

I think there is a logical explanation why the liberal/progresso/socialists/cocksuckers want as much immigration from the Middle East as possible. They logically figure that these immigrants will be reliable Democratic voters.

National elections are generally won by one or two percent.

Middle Easterners now constitute 1 percent of America.....just another percent or two could mean the difference between beating Traditional Americans or losing.

That's of course why they love Mexicans, and are undermining our laws to get as many of them in as possible.

Liberal/Progresso/Socialist/Cocksuckers....led by Barack Obama...are not enforcing immigration laws they were sworn to enforce for the sole crass political reason that it helps them to gain and hold power....and institute Socialism.

Never mind what is good for America...to hell with traditional Americans--the ones who made this society the greatest in history....it must be destroyed so Socialist can run it into the ground.

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The democrat party has not carried the "white" vote since 1964, yet most of their leaders, if not all, are white.

 

[Mac1958]

So no theories on the reason for the behaviors pointed out in the OP?

 

[Freewill]

What I'm specifically focusing on is the behaviors of those who are so tolerant and defensive of one religion while simultaneously being so hateful of another.

No doubt it will get dragged in other directions, but that's my question here.
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Well then perhaps you would be kind enough to give a specific example and put away your hasty generalizations.

How about this behavior:

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." BHO

Prove that an out of context quote from an individual represents the views of a group of people that have been labeled as "regressive left".

No first, you have to prove the time-worn BS answer of yours is true. Show how the quote is out of context.

 

[Tehon]

What I'm specifically focusing on is the behaviors of those who are so tolerant and defensive of one religion while simultaneously being so hateful of another.

No doubt it will get dragged in other directions, but that's my question here.
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Well then perhaps you would be kind enough to give a specific example and put away your hasty generalizations.

How about this behavior:

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." BHO

Prove that an out of context quote from an individual represents the views of a group of people that have been labeled as "regressive left".

No first, you have to prove the time-worn BS answer of yours is true. Show how the quote is out of context.

What and derail this intellectually honest look into the motives of the regressive left. Even if the quote was given in context you still need to show that it represents the views of a whole group of people.

 

[MACAULAY]

There is no logical explanarion for it...except that the liberal progressive anti-american bomb throwing, frank marshal davis-tutored, saul alynski-embracing, racist hate-spewing anti-american pastor-mentored, islamic-extremist-sympathizing, violent illegal immigrat invasion-facikitating, self-appointed oligarcist ruler-wannabes who have sought to destroy this nation (abandoning the Constitution and rule of law) since the 60s have been and continue to be hard at work carrying out their agenda...

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I respectfully disagree.

I think there is a logical explanation why the liberal/progresso/socialists/cocksuckers want as much immigration from the Middle East as possible. They logically figure that these immigrants will be reliable Democratic voters.

National elections are generally won by one or two percent.

Middle Easterners now constitute 1 percent of America.....just another percent or two could mean the difference between beating Traditional Americans or losing.

That's of course why they love Mexicans, and are undermining our laws to get as many of them in as possible.

Liberal/Progresso/Socialist/Cocksuckers....led by Barack Obama...are not enforcing immigration laws they were sworn to enforce for the sole crass political reason that it helps them to gain and hold power....and institute Socialism.

Never mind what is good for America...to hell with traditional Americans--the ones who made this society the greatest in history....it must be destroyed so Socialist can run it into the ground.

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The democrat party has not carried the "white" vote since 1964, yet most of their leaders, if not all, are white.

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Seems like a nonsensical response. Of course the Democrats have whites...there are fucked up people in every cultural group. For whites it is the jealous & hatefilled loons & pinheads in the Northeast and rotting northern cities like Chicago...they are the Liberal/Porgresso/Socialist/Cocksuckers who are a significant minority...Jefferson himself said they were too obnoxious and foolish to ever be a majority...but he didn't anticipate a mass importation, illegal mostly, of cultures so different from America that they will never assimilate...the only effect is votes for Liberal/Socialist/Cocksuckers.

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[Freewill]

So no theories on the reason for the behaviors pointed out in the OP?

could be several reasons.

It is clear of what liberals do to all minorities. It is the racism of low expectation. They do this without realizing how racist is their attitude. Just another group that the liberal left has to take it upon themselves to protect from the bullies on the right wing.

Could be that the liberal left, wrongly, considers this to be about race. The brown skinned Muslims against the bigoted white Christians.

As you point out, the left wing excuses the excesses of radical Islam by pointing to such things as the Crusades and other such foolish arguments.

 

[Freewill]

What I'm specifically focusing on is the behaviors of those who are so tolerant and defensive of one religion while simultaneously being so hateful of another.

No doubt it will get dragged in other directions, but that's my question here.
.

Well then perhaps you would be kind enough to give a specific example and put away your hasty generalizations.

How about this behavior:

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." BHO

Prove that an out of context quote from an individual represents the views of a group of people that have been labeled as "regressive left".

No first, you have to prove the time-worn BS answer of yours is true. Show how the quote is out of context.

What and derail this intellectually honest look into the motives of the regressive left. Even if the quote was given in context you still need to show that it represents the views of a whole group of people.

You made a statement, back that statement.

For crying out loud Obama is the leader of the free world. He was elected TWICE. His ideology is well known. Thus support for HIM can be nothing less than support of his ideology

 

[Mac1958]

Could be that the liberal left, wrongly, considers this to be about race. The brown skinned Muslims against the bigoted white Christians.

Hadn't thought of that, and we've seen that one used many times here.
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[Tehon]

Well then perhaps you would be kind enough to give a specific example and put away your hasty generalizations.

How about this behavior:

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." BHO

Prove that an out of context quote from an individual represents the views of a group of people that have been labeled as "regressive left".

No first, you have to prove the time-worn BS answer of yours is true. Show how the quote is out of context.

What and derail this intellectually honest look into the motives of the regressive left. Even if the quote was given in context you still need to show that it represents the views of a whole group of people.

You made a statement, back that statement.

For crying out loud Obama is the leader of the free world. He was elected TWICE. His ideology is well known. Thus support for HIM can be nothing less than support of his ideology

Here is the full context

Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

 

[Freewill]

Could be that the liberal left, wrongly, considers this to be about race. The brown skinned Muslims against the bigoted white Christians.

Hadn't thought of that, and we've seen that one used many times here.
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Mac, you will be lucky to even get an acknowledgement of your question. Why? Because to acknowledge the question means they would have to answer the question. Better to ignore the question and attack the flank.

think about secularism and liberalism and where they grew. Did they grow in Muslim countries? Buddist countries? No, they grew out of Christian cultures. Thus to the liberal it is Christians who have become the enemy. That is why they paint the Crusades as Christian oppression and not Muslim aggression. As the liberal feels themselves the victim of a Christian culture they project that feeling onto Islam. Clearly, if Christianity is the enemy then every other religion is their friend. Which is odd considering that if they would be the first target of any religious take over.

 

[Freewill]

How about this behavior:

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." BHO

Prove that an out of context quote from an individual represents the views of a group of people that have been labeled as "regressive left".

No first, you have to prove the time-worn BS answer of yours is true. Show how the quote is out of context.

What and derail this intellectually honest look into the motives of the regressive left. Even if the quote was given in context you still need to show that it represents the views of a whole group of people.

You made a statement, back that statement.

For crying out loud Obama is the leader of the free world. He was elected TWICE. His ideology is well known. Thus support for HIM can be nothing less than support of his ideology

Here is the full context

Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

Oops, even more damning in the context you provided.

 

[Freewill]

Here if you really want to understand:

Regurgitating the Apple: How Modern Liberals "Think"

 

[Mac1958]

Could be that the liberal left, wrongly, considers this to be about race. The brown skinned Muslims against the bigoted white Christians.

Hadn't thought of that, and we've seen that one used many times here.
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Mac, you will be lucky to even get an acknowledgement of your question. Why? Because to acknowledge the question means they would have to answer the question. Better to ignore the question and attack the flank.

think about secularism and liberalism and where they grew. Did they grow in Muslim countries? Buddist countries? No, they grew out of Christian cultures. Thus to the liberal it is Christians who have become the enemy. That is why they paint the Crusades as Christian oppression and not Muslim aggression. As the liberal feels themselves the victim of a Christian culture they project that feeling onto Islam. Clearly, if Christianity is the enemy then every other religion is their friend. Which is odd considering that if they would be the first target of any religious take over.

That's essentially where I am on this (at the moment), too. But the final piece of the puzzle is the denial of the ramifications of what is happening, particularly through Europe. It would boil down, at least theoretically to two things:

Either their hatred for Christianity truly has blinded them to what is happening, or (and this one is tougher to swallow) they believe that we, the West, all will get what we deserve, some kind of macro payback for our sins, even including them.

And no, as I mentioned in the OP, I'm not expecting straight answers. But hunting for clues is fun, and your theory that there may be a partial racial basis is interesting.
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[Tehon]

Prove that an out of context quote from an individual represents the views of a group of people that have been labeled as "regressive left".

No first, you have to prove the time-worn BS answer of yours is true. Show how the quote is out of context.

What and derail this intellectually honest look into the motives of the regressive left. Even if the quote was given in context you still need to show that it represents the views of a whole group of people.

You made a statement, back that statement.

For crying out loud Obama is the leader of the free world. He was elected TWICE. His ideology is well known. Thus support for HIM can be nothing less than support of his ideology

Here is the full context

Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

Oops, even more damning in the context you provided.

? explain what is damning about it.

 

[Katzndogz]

That was so good, I saved it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What I'm specifically focusing on is the behaviors of those who are so tolerant and defensive of one religion while simultaneously being so hateful of another.

No doubt it will get dragged in other directions, but that's my question here.
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Well then perhaps you would be kind enough to give a specific example and put away your hasty generalizations.

What? You're serious here?

Just from this board alone, you can't think of any examples of people deflecting to the evils of Christianity after a jihadist attack?

You can't think of Leftists leveraging "hasty generalizations" about Christians?

You can't think of any examples of leftists attacking Christianity for many of the same ideals or acts perpetrated by Islam?

You can't think of any times a leftist has deflected to "Islamophobia" or even "racism" when someone pointed out a misdeed of Islam?

There's no way you're serious.
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You've never heard innocent Muslims condemned on this board? Fuckinay that's funny.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is so fascinating to watch, and election of London's new mayor is shedding even more light on it.

Members of one specific religion - a religion with a current record of extreme violence, intimidation and terror - are telling us precisely what they're going to do, and they're doing it. It's expansion is clear and rapid and undeniable. We're watching it happen in real time, particularly across Europe. This isn't a partisan or religious opinion, it is a clear fact, based on observation.

Meanwhile, a group of people - the Regressive Left (as honest liberal Bill Maher refers to them), a group all too happy to attack the misdeeds of another religion (Christianity, obviously) in absolutely every possible way, at absolutely every opportunity, are bending over backwards to be defensive and so very tolerant of the first religion. A religion, by the way, that treats women and gays as lesser objects, among other behaviors that the Regressive Leftists loathe.

Exactly what is happening here?

Is this just a petulant, knee-jerk reaction against Christianity and conservatives, is it that simple? Are they willing to be so very tolerant of one specific religion just to be contrarian against certain other people they hate?

Or could it be more? Is this behavior related to the payback tactics that we're seeing with race and wealth? Or perhaps do they harbor certain affinities for the religion to which they won't openly admit?

And directly to the Regressive Leftists here: I'm certainly not, nor do I ever, expect a straight, clear and honest answer from you on this. What I expect from you is the standard deflection, derision, personal insults and name-calling. I know that's what we'll get, it's an easy prediction. This thread is specifically about your behaviors, not about Islam. I'm just curious about this, and perhaps some other responses will shed some light or provide some clues.
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Even PM David Cameron condemned the nature of the campaign that was run against the new mayor, Mr. Khan.

Not to mention, ironically, that it was just recently that the outgoing mayor of London Boris Johnson attacking Obama for having Kenyan blood.

 

[Freewill]

What I'm specifically focusing on is the behaviors of those who are so tolerant and defensive of one religion while simultaneously being so hateful of another.

No doubt it will get dragged in other directions, but that's my question here.
.

Well then perhaps you would be kind enough to give a specific example and put away your hasty generalizations.

What? You're serious here?

Just from this board alone, you can't think of any examples of people deflecting to the evils of Christianity after a jihadist attack?

You can't think of Leftists leveraging "hasty generalizations" about Christians?

You can't think of any examples of leftists attacking Christianity for many of the same ideals or acts perpetrated by Islam?

You can't think of any times a leftist has deflected to "Islamophobia" or even "racism" when someone pointed out a misdeed of Islam?

There's no way you're serious.
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You've never heard innocent Muslims condemned on this board? Fuckinay that's funny.

Another backhanded apology for Islam, just as the OP asked.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

As to the reasons for this phenomenon, I would say there are many, not the least of which involves the following.

1 -- an oppositional defiant disorder based upon lack of self worth. These numb nuts don't know what they stand for, only what they are against, and their self hatred leads them to identify with Islamists in their nihilistic need to destroy their own culture.

2 -- utter conformism. They are the left's equivalent of the extreme religious fundies of the right, as they don't ever ask WHY they should believe in something, only that they are expected to do so. It acts as a conditioned response where unintelligent people react to positive reinforcement from their peers if they support Islam and negative if they don't.

3 -- post colonial guilt. Several decades worth of hammering home themes that all the world's ills are the result of the west has led to a mind set where the very reversal of the old cultural chauvinism now holds sway. People have lost the ability to see any merits whatsoever to their own liberal western cultures and have elevated the primitivism of other cultures to be beyond reproach.

4 -- fear. In a strange sort of projection, those who feed the crocodile hoping it will eat hem last call anybody who doesn't want that to happen the fearful ones. These people are actually so fearful that they refuse to learn anything about Islam while they live in their world of platitudes and ignorant group think. In an Orwellian expression of the maxim that ignorance is strength, anybody who DOES know a thing or two about Islam is automatically assaulted as being "racist", "Islamophobic", "Bigoted" or........, gasp! -- the ultimate bogey man -- a "right winger" It doesn't make any difference to these extraordinarily stupid people that it is actually Islam that represents the most extreme conservatism imaginable as they haven't the foggiest notion what the terms even mean. They are just so frightened of being called the very names they call others that they lend themselves to the very agenda that represents the very worst bigotry on the face of the planet.

I swear, it's like watching some sort of group psychosis in action it is so absolutely moronic.

 

[paulitician]

The Left has always had an 'Unholy Alliance' with Islam. The alliance is based on their shared hatred of Christians and Jews, and the pursuit of the destruction of Israel. They see eye to eye on those issues. Those shared interests have allowed Muslims to quickly sweep across Western Europe and dominate numerous regions.

Keep in mind, it was Europe's Left who dismantled the Immigration Systems. It is pretty sad and ironic, considering Islam is far less tolerant of Leftist beliefs and behaviors than both Christianity and Judaism are. This alliance may prove to be most harmful to them at some point. Stay tuned.