The paradox of Iran, North Korea, and the Trump administration

Sandy Shanks

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Iran has breached the limit on its stockpile of low-enriched uranium set under a 2015 nuclear deal with world powers, a watchdog has confirmed.

The International Atomic Energy Agency said its inspectors had verified the cap had been exceeded.

Iran said it was responding to sanctions reinstated by Trump when he abandoned the deal.

The White House on Monday issued a warning to Iran after the country announced it surpassed limits on enriched uranium. The White House has nothing to say on the matter. Thanks to Trump, the U.S. is no longer a part of the agreement Iran breached.

This is a matter for the signatories of the agreement -- Britain, France, Germany, Russia, and China -- to handle, along with the IAEA. The U.S. is out of the picture. Trump made sure of that.

When asked by reporters, Trump said he had nothing to say. That's a first.

Trump seems to have a completely different view when it comes to North Korea and his friend, the communist dictator, Kim Jong Un.

The Times described it in this way. "A real idea has been taking shape inside the Trump administration that officials hope might create a foundation for a new round of negotiations.

"The concept would amount to a nuclear freeze, one that essentially enshrines the status quo, and tacitly accepts the North as a nuclear power, something administration officials have often said they would never stand for.

"It falls far short of Mr. Trump’s initial vow 30 months ago to solve the North Korea nuclear problem, but it might provide him with a retort to campaign-season critics who say the North Korean dictator has been playing the American president brilliantly by giving him the visuals he craves while holding back on real concessions."

The Times added, "While the approach could stop that arsenal from growing, it would not, at least in the near future, dismantle any existing weapons, variously estimated at 20 to 60. Nor would it limit the North’s missile capability."

National Security Adviser John Bolton disagreed with the Times article.

"I read this NYT story with curiosity," Bolton tweeted. "Neither the NSC staff nor I have discussed or heard of any desire to 'settle for a nuclear freeze by NK.' This was a reprehensible attempt by someone to box in the President. There should be consequences."

Bolton does not say the article is false. Also, Bolton was not with Trump when he went to North Korea to chat with the communist dictator. Bolton was in Mongolia. Honest, I did not make that up.

Although many would argue Trump would not be so stupid as to allow North Korea to keep its weapons just so he could finally make a deal with his chum, Bolton's non-denial denial would indicate such a step is being nurtured in Trump's "great mind," as he puts it..

The Times article was yesterday. The White House has not reacted to it, neither has Trump.

These sources helped in this report: In New Talks, U.S. May Settle for a Nuclear Freeze by North Korea, Iran nuclear breach tests world powers, https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ns-iran-over-breach-of-enriched-uranium-limit, Bolton Rejects NY Times Nuclear Freeze Article: 'Reprehensible'
 
why would Trump want to take part in nuclear oversight of Iran ?

they're his pals - you know any friend of Putin is a friend of his.
 
1. The Iran "deal" was a delay not a prohibition of nuclear weapons. Trump wants the prohibition.
The ME gets much more complex and dangerous if/when Iran gets nukes and ICBMs. All the crazies will have to have nukes.
Is it worth a war to change regimes?

2. NK has been a puss case since Bill Clinton gave them $millions not to develop nukes, and which money they used to develop nukes.

The Clinton Nuclear Deal with Pyongyang: Road Map to Progress or Dead End Street?
With Misleading Claims, Trump Dismisses 1994 North Korea Nuclear Deal

The democrats whine about Trump's "photo ops", but never put forward any workable policies regarding NK.
At least Trump is talking to Kim, maybe he can convince him to try a better path?
Talking is better than being on the brink, like when Trump warned Kim about "fire and fury" if Kim keeps developing nukes and ICBMs, and parking 3-carrier groups of NK's shore.
 
why would Trump want to take part in nuclear oversight of Iran ?

they're his pals - you know any friend of Putin is a friend of his.
Watch what happens if Iran kills an American. I'm sure you will be whining about something else.
 
Can anyone make sense of the Trump policies regarding nukes with Iran and NK?
 
Can anyone make sense of the Trump policies regarding nukes with Iran and NK?

1. NK, you have a crazed dictator who murders people on a regular basis. Please read the various ways he's had people killed.
List of officials purged and executed by Kim Jong-un - Wikipedia
Now imagine that the crazy fuck has nuclear weapons and ICBMs to deliver them. Bill Clinton tried the carrot approach by giving NK $millions of dollars in aid and two light-water nuclear power plants????? No, Bill Clinton did not give North Korea $3 billion NK played Bill Clinton.

Read this article to catch up on the history of NK v US
North Korea: How Obama, Bush, Clinton dealt with the rogue nation
Trump thus far has crippling sanctions on NK and they will stay on until NK gives up its nuclear weapons. That is the Trump strategy.

2. Iran is a different animal. They do not have nukes yet, but are scheduled to. Should Trump go for regime change before Iran gets nukes?

The Trump strategy with Iran is to put crippling sanctions on them until they either strike out at the US, fold and agree no nukes, or have an internal regime change.
 
Can anyone make sense of the Trump policies regarding nukes with Iran and NK?

1. NK, you have a crazed dictator who murders people on a regular basis. Please read the various ways he's had people killed.
List of officials purged and executed by Kim Jong-un - Wikipedia
Now imagine that the crazy fuck has nuclear weapons and ICBMs to deliver them. Bill Clinton tried the carrot approach by giving NK $millions of dollars in aid and two light-water nuclear power plants????? No, Bill Clinton did not give North Korea $3 billion NK played Bill Clinton.

Read this article to catch up on the history of NK v US
North Korea: How Obama, Bush, Clinton dealt with the rogue nation
Trump thus far has crippling sanctions on NK and they will stay on until NK gives up its nuclear weapons. That is the Trump strategy.

2. Iran is a different animal. They do not have nukes yet, but are scheduled to. Should Trump go for regime change before Iran gets nukes?

The Trump strategy with Iran is to put crippling sanctions on them until they either strike out at the US, fold and agree no nukes, or have an internal regime change.
That makes sense to you?

NK has a crazed dictator WITH nukes...and sells missiles to the highest bidder and Trump kisses their ass?

Trump is NOT putting "crippling sanctions on NK and in fact his buddy Putin is helping MK get around what sanctions there are

As far as Iran...they STOPPED their nuke program and Trump has pushed them into restarting it. Brilliant strategy there...

ANd you admit that Trump is TRYING to push Iran into a war? That's batshit crazy
 
Can anyone make sense of the Trump policies regarding nukes with Iran and NK?

1. NK, you have a crazed dictator who murders people on a regular basis. Please read the various ways he's had people killed.
List of officials purged and executed by Kim Jong-un - Wikipedia
Now imagine that the crazy fuck has nuclear weapons and ICBMs to deliver them. Bill Clinton tried the carrot approach by giving NK $millions of dollars in aid and two light-water nuclear power plants????? No, Bill Clinton did not give North Korea $3 billion NK played Bill Clinton.

Read this article to catch up on the history of NK v US
North Korea: How Obama, Bush, Clinton dealt with the rogue nation
Trump thus far has crippling sanctions on NK and they will stay on until NK gives up its nuclear weapons. That is the Trump strategy.

2. Iran is a different animal. They do not have nukes yet, but are scheduled to. Should Trump go for regime change before Iran gets nukes?

The Trump strategy with Iran is to put crippling sanctions on them until they either strike out at the US, fold and agree no nukes, or have an internal regime change.
That makes sense to you?

NK has a crazed dictator WITH nukes...and sells missiles to the highest bidder and Trump kisses their ass?

Trump is NOT putting "crippling sanctions on NK and in fact his buddy Putin is helping MK get around what sanctions there are

As far as Iran...they STOPPED their nuke program and Trump has pushed them into restarting it. Brilliant strategy there...

ANd you admit that Trump is TRYING to push Iran into a war? That's batshit crazy

No, you're referring to the previous buffoons retarded foreign policy.
 
NK is MORE of a problem now than when Trump was elected and we're pretending that isn't sp.

Iran is AGAIN on the path to a nuclear program and WERE NOT two years ago

SO yea...
 
There's nothing funny about Trump's idiotic foreign policy
 
There's nothing funny about Trump's idiotic foreign policy

1. Obama gave Iran $50b and you say Trump's foreign policy is idiotic? Grow a brain. The Iran "treaty" was never approved by the US Senate so its not ironclad, Trump canceled it because it allowed Iran to develop nukes after 10-years or so. It did NOT stop Iran from developing nukes. Trump will stop Iran from developing nukes, the sanctions are biting, and the British just stopped an Iranian oil tanker from exporting oil. So Iran needs to make a serious decision on nukes.

2. Talking to NK is better than not talking. Negotiations may not go anywhere, but the sanctions are biting NK hard, so KJU needs to make a decision soon. Half a loaf may be better than nothing.
 
Can anyone make sense of the Trump policies regarding nukes with Iran and NK?

1. NK, you have a crazed dictator who murders people on a regular basis. Please read the various ways he's had people killed.
List of officials purged and executed by Kim Jong-un - Wikipedia
Now imagine that the crazy fuck has nuclear weapons and ICBMs to deliver them. Bill Clinton tried the carrot approach by giving NK $millions of dollars in aid and two light-water nuclear power plants????? No, Bill Clinton did not give North Korea $3 billion NK played Bill Clinton.

Read this article to catch up on the history of NK v US
North Korea: How Obama, Bush, Clinton dealt with the rogue nation
Trump thus far has crippling sanctions on NK and they will stay on until NK gives up its nuclear weapons. That is the Trump strategy.

2. Iran is a different animal. They do not have nukes yet, but are scheduled to. Should Trump go for regime change before Iran gets nukes?

The Trump strategy with Iran is to put crippling sanctions on them until they either strike out at the US, fold and agree no nukes, or have an internal regime change.
That makes sense to you?

NK has a crazed dictator WITH nukes...and sells missiles to the highest bidder and Trump kisses their ass?

Trump is NOT putting "crippling sanctions on NK and in fact his buddy Putin is helping MK get around what sanctions there are

As far as Iran...they STOPPED their nuke program and Trump has pushed them into restarting it. Brilliant strategy there...

ANd you admit that Trump is TRYING to push Iran into a war? That's batshit crazy

If Trump was trying to push iran into war, he could have easily retaliated when they shot down an unarmed drone over international waters. He didn't. Iran, russia, and china need the US to make a mistake. Trump didn't engage....he stopped the attack. Why? Iran is smart, they didn't kill anyone with that drone attack. Had trump attacked and killed 150 people, iran would have started crying and making excuses. Trump is smarter and didn't play into their propaganda.
 
North Korea and iran were both on the path to nukes long before Trump was sworn in as President and neither has backed off that goal. You might be able to work out a deal with NK but that is dubious at best I don't believe Iran will ever give the goal getting nukes no matter what deal you happen to make with them. Trump is trying to negotiate with NK and use economic sanctions with Iran the only other option I can see with either country would be military action which there would be little to no support for. If anyone has a better solution lets hear it.
 
North Korea and iran were both on the path to nukes long before Trump was sworn in as President and neither has backed off that goal.

Hey dumbass...Iran had shut down most of their centrifuges and destroyed many. They had shipped out most of their uranium stockpiles...they agreed to inspections. Their nuke program was essentially harmless...UNTIL the Orange Idiot pulled us out of the JPCOA.

NK on the other hand is manufacturing a bomb a month and has tested intercontinental missiles...and Trump is kissing their ass and letting Putin help avoid sanctions
 
North Korea and iran were both on the path to nukes long before Trump was sworn in as President and neither has backed off that goal.

Hey dumbass...Iran had shut down most of their centrifuges and destroyed many. They had shipped out most of their uranium stockpiles...they agreed to inspections. Their nuke program was essentially harmless...UNTIL the Orange Idiot pulled us out of the JPCOA.

NK on the other hand is manufacturing a bomb a month and has tested intercontinental missiles...and Trump is kissing their ass and letting Putin help avoid sanctions
Only a naive dumbass believes that the so called great Iran deal even if totally honored by Iran only got them to stop for a certain number of years after that they got all sanctions removed and could go back to doing what they were before the great Obungles deal. North Korea has been doing this all the way back to the Clinton Presidency so Clinton, Bush, and Obama did not stop them that is 24 years by the way but your pissed and bitchy because Trump is not getting the job done quick enough for you. You don't like what Trump is doing outside of military action give us a better plan in dealing with North Korea or fuck off.
 
There's nothing funny about Trump's idiotic foreign policy

O's horrid foreign policy led us to where we are right now.
Bullshit. Obama negotiated a deal that stopped the Iranian nuclear program cold.

It has restarted under Trump BECAUSE of his actions

Stop lying. The JCPOA only delayed Iran's development of nukes. Read the article, in 6 years Iran could start development of nukes legally, and until then there would be no sanctions, so Iran would be swimming in cash, especially after Obama gave them $50b to play with. Trump is right, Obama was wrong.
The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) at a Glance | Arms Control Association
October 2025, Termination Day: Ten years after adoption day. Termination day terminates Resolution 2231 and the Security Council closes Iran's nuclear file.
 
So let's recap.

Obama stopped the Iranian nuclear bomb program cold...on a deal that lasted ten years....and could be then extended. We would have had ten years of inspections at that point and all the knowledge that entails.

Trump pulled us out of that agreement and allowed them to begin that program NOW.

And Trump's approach is better?

Huh?
 

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