The ONLY word for this is tragic

[P@triot]

The GOP's refusal to do anything about decreasing the number of uninsured Americans will cost them

I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was the GOP's job to "do anything about decreasing the number if uninsured Americans". Remind me again where that is outlined in the Constitution? Oh wait, what am I saying? You've never read the Constitution. Silly me...

Hey, by the way, when a growing number of child molestors demand the "right" to molest children, will the Dumbocrats rise to that demand too and provide the children and the protection from prosecution for that demographic of voter?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I guess we will have to go with the man who most of this country thought was the right man for the job. Obama. ObamaCare it is then.

Deal with it.

^ guesses wrong.

DEFUND that shit.

Today.

It will make BodeyZona cry.

 

[P@triot]

The GOP's refusal to do anything about decreasing the number of uninsured Americans will cost them until the fold on the issue. The GOP's ideas to make it easier for doctors & hospitals to get away with their mistakes in courtrooms will cost them.

But keep resisting. The GOP recalcitrance on the issue will eventually lead to Medicare For All, which is the left's ultimate goal, and will be realized.

The left also wanted to add medicines to Medicare, and the anti-GOP demonization campaign worked so well on the issue, that the GOP folded like a cheap lawn chair and passed Medicare D all by themselves, while in control of Congress and the White House. Suckers.

Here we have a trailer-park dweller, living off of government cheese and powdered milk, celebrating the fact that Americans are losing jobs, hours on the clock, and their healthcare insurance, simply because it was "his side" that was responsible for the job, hours, and insurance losses...

"Ha-Ha suckers... my side of the aisle collapsed America! We took it all down on our terms"...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Riddle me this................................

Currently Snowden and the NSA scandal. America including the Dems are yelling out about how the Gov't is spying on us all. It has caused a public outrage including the Libs.

Yet Obamacare forces all of us to put our Medical Records into a Federal Database. Something that has ALWAYS BEEN PRIVATE INFORMATION.

Nothing is said, and IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.

Reminds me of the saying," 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

Haven't you heard from your conservative pals? You don't have a right to privacy.

It's not in the Constitution. So quit your bitching.

lolol

Apparently you're unaware that Obama has done more egregious domestic spying than any dictator in world history?

The word isn't spying, it's crying,

and he's not doing it,

you are. Grow up.

 

[Flopper]

Exactly. Thanks to Obamacare.

There is little doubt among non-partisans that HCA will increase the availability of and quality of healthcare for millions of Americans. The issue of cost is complicated. It is not just the cost of insurance but the total cost of healthcare yet we focus on premiums.

Both the right and the left will be presenting evidence of large increases and decreases in premiums of individual policies. For example California and New York will see large decreases. Florida and Ohio will see increases of up to 41% and 35% for individual policies. Most states according the Kaiser Foundation will see premiums changes in order of -10% to +10%. The reason for the difference in cost between states is the amount of state regulation on health insurance policies prior to the HCA.

States like Florida and Ohio allowed insurance companies to exclude most anyone who was likely to have major health problems. Also insurance companies were allowed to offer policies that excluded various diseases and treatments, and were allowed to write policies with very high deductibles and coinsurance. The result was very low premiums usually less than $100. The HCA outlaws these types of policies and thus states that allowed them will see larger increases in premiums than other states. Since there are very few states that allowed policies like this, large increase will be confined to just a few states.

So you're admitting that costs will skyrocket in some states and we all know that's it's costing many, many, many jobs. Gee, what a great "plan". Government at it's finest here, folks....

Of course the average premium for individual insurance will rise in states that allowed companies to sell cheap policies with very limited benefits. Why should these increases in premiums cost jobs since these policies are sold to individuals not employers.

 

[JoeB131]

Maybe I forgot to put the braclet on this morning. Maybe it's under the car that hit me. Maybe I lost the arm it was attached to.

Every study has proven that putting medical information on a database reduces accidents and improves the quality of care.

Having the info in database is fine. Giving the gov't access to that private medical information isn't.

Especially the IRS.

What do you think the IRS is going to do with your medical information?

I'm just curious.

 

[JoeB131]

The GOP's refusal to do anything about decreasing the number of uninsured Americans will cost them

I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was the GOP's job to "do anything about decreasing the number if uninsured Americans". Remind me again where that is outlined in the Constitution? Oh wait, what am I saying? You've never read the Constitution. Silly me...

Hey, by the way, when a growing number of child molestors demand the "right" to molest children, will the Dumbocrats rise to that demand too and provide the children and the protection from prosecution for that demographic of voter?

So poor people wanting medical coverage is the moral equivlent of being a pedophile?

Really?

This is where you are going here?

How dare those poor people demand medical care. They need to dutifully die if the rich have no need for them!!!

 

[Freewill]

The house has passed a bill to delay the whole damned thing and get the IRS out of the mix, the commies in the senate refuse to take it up. If you live in a state with a commie senator you should be calling them to insist Reid bring these bills for a vote.

What does it say about Reid and the Democrats that they are afraid to let the representatives of the people vote? I mean, it's Reid's own party who has the majority if the Senate, so what is he afraid of?!? Just shows that they are the party of oppressive communism.

According to the left it is the Republicans blocking everything so this story can't be true...in their world.

 

[rightwinger]

I happen to agree with Rottweiler, Obamacare is unworkable

America needs to get away from the idea that Americans need to get their health insurance from their employers. It made sense at one point, but we are well past that. Why would anyone want their employer to determine what heathcare they can get?

But Obamacare is what you end up with when you refuse to consider universal healthcare or a government option for the uninsured

But regardless it is better than what Republicans have been providing us which is a variation of "Wedontcare"
If you are unable to cover your healthcare costs, it is not their problem.......they only have to protect tax breaks for the wealthy

 

[editec]

Obama care?

Yup, a tragically lost opportunity, I quite agree.

It combines all the worst parts of socialism with all the worst parts of capitalism.

 

[P@triot]

There is little doubt among non-partisans that HCA will increase the availability of and quality of healthcare for millions of Americans. The issue of cost is complicated. It is not just the cost of insurance but the total cost of healthcare yet we focus on premiums.

Both the right and the left will be presenting evidence of large increases and decreases in premiums of individual policies. For example California and New York will see large decreases. Florida and Ohio will see increases of up to 41% and 35% for individual policies. Most states according the Kaiser Foundation will see premiums changes in order of -10% to +10%. The reason for the difference in cost between states is the amount of state regulation on health insurance policies prior to the HCA.

States like Florida and Ohio allowed insurance companies to exclude most anyone who was likely to have major health problems. Also insurance companies were allowed to offer policies that excluded various diseases and treatments, and were allowed to write policies with very high deductibles and coinsurance. The result was very low premiums usually less than $100. The HCA outlaws these types of policies and thus states that allowed them will see larger increases in premiums than other states. Since there are very few states that allowed policies like this, large increase will be confined to just a few states.

So you're admitting that costs will skyrocket in some states and we all know that's it's costing many, many, many jobs. Gee, what a great "plan". Government at it's finest here, folks....

Of course the average premium for individual insurance will rise in states that allowed companies to sell cheap policies with very limited benefits. Why should these increases in premiums cost jobs since these policies are sold to individuals not employers.

You cannot be this ignorant of Obamacare. There are a list of rules, regulations, and costs to businesses - not the least of which are the 18 new TAXES in Obamacare - which are crippling business.

Two things are glaringly obvious from your last statement:

1.) You're completely ignorant of the AHCA

2.) You don't own a business

Perhaps instead of being like Nancy Pelosi, you should actually read the AHCA before you support it? Just a suggestion...

 

[P@triot]

I happen to agree with Rottweiler, Obamacare is unworkable

America needs to get away from the idea that Americans need to get their health insurance from their employers. It made sense at one point, but we are well past that. Why would anyone want their employer to determine what heathcare they can get?

But Obamacare is what you end up with when you refuse to consider universal healthcare or a government option for the uninsured

But regardless it is better than what Republicans have been providing us which is a variation of "Wedontcare"
If you are unable to cover your healthcare costs, it is not their problem.......they only have to protect tax breaks for the wealthy

Tell me RW, where in the Constitution does it state that insuring the uninsured is the responsibility of the federal government? I'll wait while you look that up...

 

[P@triot]

The GOP's refusal to do anything about decreasing the number of uninsured Americans will cost them

I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was the GOP's job to "do anything about decreasing the number if uninsured Americans". Remind me again where that is outlined in the Constitution? Oh wait, what am I saying? You've never read the Constitution. Silly me...

Hey, by the way, when a growing number of child molestors demand the "right" to molest children, will the Dumbocrats rise to that demand too and provide the children and the protection from prosecution for that demographic of voter?

So poor people wanting medical coverage is the moral equivlent of being a pedophile?

Really?

This is where you are going here?

How dare those poor people demand medical care. They need to dutifully die if the rich have no need for them!!!

Nice spin - but I didn't say anything about the poor people. I said the Dumbocrat Party caving to the every unconstitutional whim and demand - no matter how disturbing - in exchange for votes and power. Want to try again, "genius"?

So when a growing number of child molestors demand the "right" to molest children, will the Dumbocrats rise to that demand too and provide the children and the protection from prosecution for that demographic of voter?

 

[rightwinger]

I happen to agree with Rottweiler, Obamacare is unworkable

America needs to get away from the idea that Americans need to get their health insurance from their employers. It made sense at one point, but we are well past that. Why would anyone want their employer to determine what heathcare they can get?

But Obamacare is what you end up with when you refuse to consider universal healthcare or a government option for the uninsured

But regardless it is better than what Republicans have been providing us which is a variation of "Wedontcare"
If you are unable to cover your healthcare costs, it is not their problem.......they only have to protect tax breaks for the wealthy

Tell me RW, where in the Constitution does it state that insuring the uninsured is the responsibility of the federal government? I'll wait while you look that up...

Article 1

 

[P@triot]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was the GOP's job to "do anything about decreasing the number if uninsured Americans". Remind me again where that is outlined in the Constitution? Oh wait, what am I saying? You've never read the Constitution. Silly me...

Hey, by the way, when a growing number of child molestors demand the "right" to molest children, will the Dumbocrats rise to that demand too and provide the children and the protection from prosecution for that demographic of voter?

So poor people wanting medical coverage is the moral equivlent of being a pedophile?

Really?

This is where you are going here?

How dare those poor people demand medical care. They need to dutifully die if the rich have no need for them!!!

Nice spin - but I didn't say anything about the poor people. I said the Dumbocrat Party caving to the every unconstitutional whim and demand - no matter how disturbing - in exchange for votes and power. Want to try again, "genius"?

So when a growing number of child molestors demand the "right" to molest children, will the Dumbocrats rise to that demand too and provide the children and the protection from prosecution for that demographic of voter?

Joe's post there really is remarkable. In response to my post about the Dumbocrat Party, he acts as if I talked about "poor people" and compared them to child molestors. I never mentioned "poor people".

Now, after changing the noun (from Dumbocrtas to poor people), he goes on to the bleeding hear tear-jerking angle (how dare they, they should just die, etc.).

I guess when you're on the wrong side of the facts, propaganda is all your left with? How sad that libtards have to be this disingenuous.

 

[P@triot]

I happen to agree with Rottweiler, Obamacare is unworkable

America needs to get away from the idea that Americans need to get their health insurance from their employers. It made sense at one point, but we are well past that. Why would anyone want their employer to determine what heathcare they can get?

But Obamacare is what you end up with when you refuse to consider universal healthcare or a government option for the uninsured

But regardless it is better than what Republicans have been providing us which is a variation of "Wedontcare"
If you are unable to cover your healthcare costs, it is not their problem.......they only have to protect tax breaks for the wealthy

Tell me RW, where in the Constitution does it state that insuring the uninsured is the responsibility of the federal government? I'll wait while you look that up...

Article 1

“No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.”?!?!?

Really?!?

 

[P@triot]

Tell me RW, where in the Constitution does it state that insuring the uninsured is the responsibility of the federal government? I'll wait while you look that up...

Article 1

“No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.”?!?!?

Really?!?

Yet another example of the disingenuous liberal. When asked for specifics, they cite generalities that don't apply and then run for the hills. I'd be willing to bet my house that RW (if tested in person without the ability to cheat) could not even tell you how many articles there are in the Constitution. Something tells me that someone once posted "Article I" here on USMB and now that's his answer for everything (even when it clearly doesn't apply) because he thinks it makes him look "educated".

 

[rightwinger]

Tell me RW, where in the Constitution does it state that insuring the uninsured is the responsibility of the federal government? I'll wait while you look that up...

Article 1

“No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.”?!?!?

Really?!?

Article 1 establishes a Legislative Branch whose job it is to pass laws. That branch is elected by We the People and is empowered to pass any legislation that is necessary and proper.
If that legislation is unwarranted, the President has veto power over that legislation
If that legislation is unconstitutional, the Judicial Branch will declare it so

So, where does Obamacare fit in? It was passed by both Houses of Congress, signed by the President and declared Constitutional by the Supreme Court

 

[P@triot]

Article 1

“No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.”?!?!?

Really?!?

Article 1 establishes a Legislative Branch whose job it is to pass laws. That branch is elected by We the People and is empowered to pass any legislation that is necessary and proper.
If that legislation is unwarranted, the President has veto power over that legislation
If that legislation is unconstitutional, the Judicial Branch will declare it so

So, where does Obamacare fit in? It was passed by both Houses of Congress, signed by the President and declared Constitutional by the Supreme Court

And here we see why the Constitution was created in the first place - to protect us from the extreme, unhinged, radicals.

My friend, Congress does not have the power to pass "any" laws they want. The federal government was delegated (do you understand what delegated means?) 18 enumerated powers from the states. That's all Congress has the power to create legislation on - those 18 enumerated powers only. And healthcare is NOT one of those 18 enumerated powers.

Would you like to try again?

 

[bodecea]

Article 1

“No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.”?!?!?

Really?!?

Yet another example of the disingenuous liberal. When asked for specifics, they cite generalities that don't apply and then run for the hills. I'd be willing to bet my house that RW (if tested in person without the ability to cheat) could not even tell you how many articles there are in the Constitution. Something tells me that someone once posted "Article I" here on USMB and now that's his answer for everything (even when it clearly doesn't apply) because he thinks it makes him look "educated".

Rather intolerant of you.

BTW, the Constitution has 7 Articles.